ACHP 406 Tiger Attack
Transcript
Welcome to episode 406 of a
Cigar Hustler podcast.
In today's episode, we'll start
with the tragic news out of
Oklahoma involving A fatal tiger
attack.
From there, we'll cover an onset
injury that paused Spider Man
filming Breakdown Week 3 of the
NFL season and wrap up with the
latest cigar industry updates.
Tiger went tiger, huh?
Tiger went Tiger.
Later today I'll be at Treasure
Coast Cigars with a post on you
Cutting Light.
And then this Friday is the big
Camacho event with a portable
Riddle giveaway here at Cigar
Hustler.
Nothing's portable.
It's portable, really.
Comes off the stand.
Supposedly you use it indoors
but it's still propane so sounds
sounds a little dangerous.
Sounds pretty confident of them.
Since it does, it does, doesn't
it?
It's like a George Foreman girl.
Yeah, same idea.
All right, Michael, how do we
get some of that sweet chapter
pod swag?
What you want to do is check out
Chapter pod.com where we
recently dropped our Gordles and
Goblins Halloween edition shirt.
Oh nice.
If you buy 1, you get the 2nd
140% off.
Also apparently Michael we're
shipping to Germany.
Oh.
Somebody bought a shirt in
Germany, yes.
Worldwide.
He's a friend of ours, he's a
friend of ours.
He's got a really nice beard.
Oh.
I'm not sure who it is.
You know what I'm talking.
About a lot of beards.
Guy from PCA people we.
Know oh.
Kali.
The guy from the lighter
company.
No, he still doesn't know.
No, he still has no.
Idea don't know what it.
Is I can't wait till he sees you
again.
He's gonna say Palmer.
Look at my goblin shirt.
Look at my goblin shirt.
So.
We don't know.
This may be our first and last
export.
We'll see.
We'll see how.
See how that pans out, But
either way, we appreciate your
support brother, and we got you
covered so.
If you'd like more for shipping.
No, we're, we're just going to
eat it.
We're going to take care of
flow.
We're just.
We're just.
'Cause we're good like.
Women in money.
No, but we're good people.
Well, yes.
And well, you thank them for his
support.
That's gonna cost us money.
I don't care, I don't care.
I appreciate him buying.
No, no, that's fine.
I wear it all over Germany.
Tell your friends.
Support Thank you for your
support.
Do they do Halloween in Germany?
I.
Don't know, you have to ask him.
If I only knew who he was.
Don't worry, he'll let you know.
Thank.
You.
We've been to dinner with him.
Oh wow.
We've been to dinner with him.
Yeah.
Oh, now I feel bad.
Yeah.
I'm drawing a complete blank.
He was in New Orleans with us.
Yeah, it's a oh, yeah.
Yeah.
There it is.
There it is.
There it is.
White ball.
I was thinking of Germans I ate
dinner with.
I didn't even realize he was
from Germany.
Yep.
Oh, alright.
I like him.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
We'll pay for the shipping.
Yeah, we'll pay for the
shipping.
In the meantime, I need to
figure out how to.
After I assess how much cost
that is, we'll have to figure
out either how to adjust it for
any additional exports.
Or does he want the whole set or
just the one?
He's got 2 shirts.
Oh, 40% off even.
All right, let's go.
All right, now on the trending
news, Tiger kills a man in
Oklahoma.
An animal handler identified as
Ryan Easley was killed by a
tiger and his Growler Pines
Tiger Preserve near Hugo, OK on
Saturday, September 20th.
Easley was performing a
demonstration using finger paint
and a tiger he had raised since
Cub Hood when the attack
occurred.
The preserve was has canceled.
All tours and animal rights
groups have pointed to Easley's
past, including inquiring tigers
from Joe Exotic.
Course that name had to pop.
Up from his traveling show was
factors in the tragic incident.
Details of the incident Ryan,
the owner of the animal handler
Growler Pines Tiger Preserve,
was doing a finger painting
demonstration, painting the
Tiger's paw, and then he puts
the yeah, especially just the
tiger took a swipe at him and
killed him instantly.
Yeah.
Just like that.
Oh.
Excuse me?
Bless you, that was the tiger
swipe noise.
That was the tiger swipe noise,
you know.
What the hell is this guy
thinking as far as paintings?
Tiger's paw.
That's like.
Well, it obviously wasn't the
first time he had done it.
Painting.
He raised his tiger from a cub.
Yeah.
I mean the photos of him show
him snuggling and everything
with the tiger.
Yeah, he'll never attack me.
Right, he'll never.
I don't think the tiger did it
on purpose.
I think maybe he tickled the paw
or something with the painting.
Oops, sliced him and he was
done.
I mean, I hate it when that.
Happened.
Yeah, but you remember, what
were the two magicians of a
Siegfried and Roy?
Yeah.
The lovers.
He was all about they were all
about tigers, too.
Yes.
Chris Rock's stand up that tiger
went tiger.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, yeah, That tiger, that
one bit him in the neck.
And again, Ted.
Like you're playing with Fireman
I don't I.
Don't you can't really blame the
tiger.
Like you said, tiger is just
tiger.
You know so OK, well.
Is that it?
PETA, the animal rights
organization, released a
statement highlighting that
direct human interaction with an
apex predator is inherently
unsafe.
Thank you, PETA.
PETA also queued easily of
mistreating his tigers in the
past, including force
performances and circuses, and
keeping them in cramped cages
after acquiring them from Joe
Exotic.
Of course he did.
They had to make that comment.
You think they ChatGPT the fact
the tigers are dangerous?
PETA.
Yeah, in this statement
probably.
We gotta help me write this
e-mail stating the fact that
tigers are dangerous.
Right use apex predator in
description.
Make it sound.
Thank you very much.
Use apex predator.
Well, I mean, nothing hunts
tigers but us, right?
I mean, they, they have no
natural predators, do they?
I don't think lions hunt tigers.
Tigers are bigger than lions.
Lions, yeah, OK.
And.
I don't think they're in the
same place.
Yeah.
So there's nothing else after
them but us.
Nothing.
Apex top of the pyramid.
Hence the apex term, Yes,
Velociraptors, the apex animal,
yeah.
But those aren't real.
Real they were.
Is that even a real dinosaur?
Or they make it for the movie.
Well, it is a real dinosaur, but
they're like this big.
They're really small.
Oh, less scary.
Yeah, Not as if this thing's
chasing around on the ground. 2
1/2.
Feet tall.
They had feathers or something.
Oh, birds.
Yeah.
So all right, moving on.
Tom Holland is hospitalized
after suffering A brutal injury
on the Spider Man Brand New Day
set.
Peter Parker isn't invincible.
Tom Holland reportedly suffered
a concussion on the set of
Spider Man Brand New Day.
New day.
New Day, forcing Marvel Studios
and Sony Pictures to pause
filming.
According to the Daily Mail, the
29 year old actor cracked his
head after he suffered a fall at
Leavesden Studios in Waterford,
England on Friday.
The incident reportedly occurred
during a stunt gone wrong.
Holland was hospitalized and
treated for a mild concussion,
while no one else on the set was
injured, The Hollywood Reporter
confirmed.
The outlet also reported that
Holland is taking a break from
filming for several days.
Sony's reportedly meeting Monday
to discuss filming plans.
The Post has reached out to
Holland's Rep and Sony Pictures
for comment.
Spider Man Brand New Dave again
filming in Glasgow, Scotland on
August 1st, marking Holland's
fourth stand alone turn at the
web slinging superhero and tease
his new costume for the film on
Instagram shortly before filming
kicked off.
And he also revealed the
superhero flick's release date.
Are you ready 731-2026?
OK, so that's going to be the
July movie of next year summer.
Right, the big summer
blockbuster of next year.
OK, Do you know how old Tom
Holland is?
No, really, I don't.
Isn't he younger?
He is.
How old do you think he?
Is he's probably high 20s, low
30s.
That's pretty good.
He's 29 years old.
All right, So listen, how much
longer do you think he can keep
up with the whole?
I think after this, maybe he's
got one more movie and then they
got to go younger again.
Do you got to just reduce him?
Or well, I mean, they keep he's
what, the third spider man?
Well, Toby was like almost 40
when he ended, right?
I think it's just what happens
is we start, you know what,
dude?
I don't think you need to do all
your stunts.
So like we got this technology.
Well, yeah, I was going to say
that's the difference between
Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire,
all those flips and spins and
stuff Tom does right, Yeah.
At some point, like it's going
to cost millions of dollars to
the organization if he continues
forward with that like.
OK, so they put in a stuntman
instead of him.
I mean, the guy's in a mask for
God's sakes.
You have no idea who it is
Who's.
Doing it, yeah.
I mean, as long as the same body
type, you'll never know, yeah.
Is he a Lister or B Lister?
Tom.
Holland, he's got to be an.
AI would consider him A at this
point.
Yeah, he should definitely have
a stunt double.
I mean if he walks in and people
are like spider man, right?
People go nuts, so yeah, I think
that, he continues.
I just think that they, you
know, they got to work something
out here.
I don't want Spider Man getting
hurt.
No, nobody wants Spider Man
getting hurt.
Yeah, right.
Is that Rupert True?
Wasn't he the kid dressed as
Iron Man in like Iron Man three
or something?
In the the the scene when
they're doing the big fair and
all the robots are the robot
Iron Man's are fighting Iron
Man.
And what was the other guy's
name?
Roadie.
There's a scene where a kid
dressed in an Iron Man suit and
he puts up his hand.
He's got like a flashlight on
his hand.
He's going to fight the bad guy.
The.
Rumor is that was Tom Holland
when he was young.
Really.
That's the rumor I've heard.
I don't know if it's true or
not.
It's.
Probably a lie.
Doesn't sound I don't think
maybe, but.
Maybe.
I mean, he's, he's young enough
where he could have been.
That was the worst Iron Man I.
Didn't remember that part.
The Russian guy with the.
That was Iron Man 2.
Was that Iron Man 2?
Yeah, Iron Man three.
Who was the bad guy in Iron Man
3?
Oh, the guy who I can't think of
his name, the guy who we met
earlier in life and found out
how to make himself heal with
fire or something like that.
Whatever.
That was where the people blew
up.
Iron Man 3 villain 'cause I
don't know if I trust you.
Blew up.
Let's see here.
Kopali.
Kopali.
The main antagonist in Iron Man
3 is Aldrich Killian.
There you go, Aldrich.
He was.
That was the other scientist.
He was the Mandarin.
The Mandarin was a character he
created.
Yeah, like he was.
He was a terrible bad guy.
I don't even remember who he.
Was, yeah.
Iron Man Three.
I was.
Oh, I liked Iron Man 3.
Iron Man 2 I didn't like so much
with Mickey Rourke.
What?
I like 3 better than two.
Oh, no way.
You're crazy.
No.
OK, well.
Explains a lot about those
cigars.
Well. 3 is when they.
Explains a lot about terrible
taste.
The reason?
When they blew up his cliffside
home.
Yeah, and there was just so many
Iron Men, robot guys flying and
stuff.
He learned how to make them
autonomous from the bad guys in
Iron Man 2.
It just seemed so excessive,
just over the top.
It's like they had to love.
It's like, I think some of these
superhero movies, what happens
is you got to level up bigger,
bigger.
And then eventually it gets to a
point where like, OK, no one
believes any of that and it's
not even fun anymore.
Well, the thing with Iron Man is
from each technically it's a
movie, but from each interaction
with a bad guy, he learns what
he did wrong and he fixes it for
the next one.
Oh, is that how that works?
Yeah.
So like in two, the guy could
defeat him with electricity
because he had those whips that
gave out the electricity.
So in three his the new suit
would absorb electricity and
turn it into energy, and he
could use it as a weapon.
Oh, it harnessed the energy.
Right.
And then all those robot guys in
two almost beat him.
So in three he made his suits
could work without anybody in
them.
Yeah, it just sounds ridiculous.
Far reach.
Is that ridiculous?
It just went.
It just went too far.
It just went too far, too far.
Oh, but the aliens coming out of
the hole in the sky?
It's perfectly.
Reasonable.
More believable.
More believable.
More believable?
Yep, Absolutely.
Yeah.
We're talking now you're going
to Avengers.
At that point, it's totally
different.
Totally different, yeah.
OK, well, Tom Holland, we we
here at Cigar Hustler's podcast,
hopefully we have a speedy
recovery because we want that
July 2020 sixth release date to
go into effect.
Yeah, don't fuck that up.
All right, not August.
Later that day he was seen at a
charity thing, so he's.
So he Humpty Dumpty cracked his
head, and he's good to go.
Well he's got a concussion.
It depends on how bad.
My wife's concussion lasted 6
months so it depends he's. 29
years old.
Well that's true, but still at
your head.
But his was listed as a mild
concussion.
He's 29 years old and he has
access to to probably the best
doctors in the world.
Probably true.
You know what I mean?
You know what?
We're going to get you a new
head.
Right, exactly right.
Not a problem.
Not only are we going to get get
your new head, but we're going
to get you one of those goblin D
shirts from Cigar Hustles
podcast.
Make it feel all better.
Yeah, check this out.
Enjoy your Gordles and goblins,
Yeah?
Because he is over.
He is over in Europe somewhere,
yeah.
He's, yeah, he's in London.
We could ship his with the
other.
One.
Yeah, we could just Yeah, 1.
One that way we don't that way
we don't pay for shipping twice,
right Palmer?
Right, that's the way to do it.
Don't pay for shipping twice.
Yeah, Collie, Tom Holland has
your shirt, just so you know.
Yeah, just to look him up.
Just pick it up in England,
right?
Probably his fiance.
The girl probably has it in her
luggage, right?
I can't think of her name.
Tommy Holland.
Tommy Now All right, moving on.
Welcome back to our NFL Weekly
recap.
Week 3 is in the books, and it's
delivered everything fans could
want.
Close finishes, shocking upsets
and a couple of downright
blowouts.
Let's start with some of the
most eye-catching results.
Buffalo Bills stayed unbeaten,
pulling away from the Miami
Dolphins in a game that was
closer than the scoreboard
suggests.
Meanwhile in Charlotte, the
Carolina Panthers pitched the
league's first shunt out of the
season of 30 to 0 thumping of
the Atlanta Falcons, leaving
Atlanta searching for answers on
offense.
Unbelievable.
And in in Indianapolis, the
Colts lit up the scoreboard,
doubling up on the Titans at a
41 to 20 route.
Cross eyed Jones.
Not far away, the Jacksonville
Jaguars eked out a 17 to 10 win
over the Houston Texans, leaning
on discipline while Houston
struggle with penalties and
missed chances.
Philadelphia Eagles pulled off
one of the wildest comebacks of
the week, storming back against
the Rams to win 33 to 26.
It blocked field goal late,
sealed the victory in front of a
roaring, roaring home crowd.
Over in Pittsburgh, the Steelers
and Patriots battled to the very
end with turnovers tilting the
game toward the black and gold
and Washington.
The commander.
The commander starts at the
commandos.
The commanders finally
commandos.
The Commandos, they run around
naked, finally broke through,
dropping 41 points on the
Raiders and.
Randall's run around naked in
your world.
They went commando.
Yeah, OK, they went.
Oh.
Got it.
Got it.
OK.
OK.
Because when I thought when you
said Commando, I instantly went
Schwarzenegger, you know?
Like Oh no, the commanders were
commando.
I got it.
Dropping 4 to one points on the
Raiders and one of their
strongest all around showing
this season, the Minnesota
Vikings.
A lot of games.
Minnesota Vikings completely
dismantled the Cincinnati
Bengals, cruising to a 4810 win
that wasn't close from the
opening kickoff.
On the opposite end of the
spectrum, the Cleveland Browns
stunned the Green Bay Packers in
a 13 to 10 slugfest highlighted
by late block kick that swung
the game.
Unbelievable.
In Tampa Bay, the Buccaneers
edged The Jets 29 to 27 in a
nail biter, while out West, Los
Angeles Chargers slipped past
the Broncos and Denver, showing
poise in the final quarter.
The Seattle Seahawks said no
such trouble.
They blasted the New Orleans 44
to 13 in a dominant performance
from the opening drive.
The San Francisco 49ers
survived.
They OK, you won.
All this is a lot.
Good.
Well, you, there's one you
haven't covered yet.
You didn't cover Detroit.
Baltimore.
All right, hold on.
He.
Probably didn't get that one.
Cowboys bouncing back from a
rough start to the season on
Sunday night, the Kansas City
Chiefs righted the ship with a
22 to 9 win over the New York
Giants.
OK, that's a brag.
That's nothing to brag about
there.
You beat the Giants.
Which game do you want me to?
Do the Lions last night.
Oh, I don't have last night's.
Yeah, I didn't think you.
I didn't think you think you
know.
Detroit Lions beat Baltimore in
Baltimore.
That's a big one.
It's a good game.
Yeah, it was a great game all
offense.
It was crazy.
Yeah.
So, so, so Skip is obviously a a
fan of the Detroit Lions.
I don't know if you if you've
caught on to this a few years
ago.
Yeah, he's like, I'm going to
root for the Lions.
When Dan Campbell?
Yeah, when Dan Campbell came
around.
Yeah, and you know.
Was that because Dan Campbell
was a cowboy?
I have no idea.
No, I just think that the
Cowboys are so atrocious that
you got to start rooting for
something.
Something that's.
Possible.
Yeah, it is a structure fire.
Cowboys.
And now he's picking the Lions.
He's been a Cowboys fan his
whole life and now it's like,
OK, go Lions.
It's just, you know, it's like a
side hustle.
Which is almost like a that's
like a, isn't it?
A rivalry.
Well, they're both in the NFC,
so you know, But I will say
this, there's a guy in Tampa and
he's willing to go all the way
and everybody's going to
underrate him every single week.
But he's an absolute dog and he
has led his team to victory in
less than two minutes in the
first three games of the season.
And his name is Baker Mayfield.
So if things shape up the way
that they are, I think that
you're going to see Detroit and
Tampa possibly in Tampa in the
postseason.
Yeah, as long as this isn't
Mike, then Mike Evans just get
hurt.
He tweaked his hamstring.
Is he out or not?
He might be out, We'll see.
He might miss a week.
It's to be determined.
I heard that on the radio this
morning on the way in.
They're doing Mris today or?
Something.
Yeah, it's to be determined.
But look, you got I'm going to
screw up his name.
Abuka, please.
Yeah, don't worry, I handle the
short clip, so I'll keep it
going.
Amir Gupta, right?
Ameka Abuka.
Ameka Aguka.
That sounds exactly right, yeah.
He's a dude, he is an absolute
stud.
They didn't even count a a catch
that he made which was right.
Oh yeah, yeah, that one.
Yeah, the one handed.
He had two one handed catches.
One they counted was there's no
denying that one.
The second one, Todd Bowles
called a timeout so that they it
could go under booth review.
He.
Slid the slid the toe.
And they let it go, Yeah.
Clearly a catch.
Yeah, and.
You're going to tell me that
Vegas isn't involved in covering
that 6 1/2 spread?
Like, oh, that's a, you know,
not to mention the catch that
was made in the end zone by The
Jets.
That could have gone either way
as far as it being a touchdown.
But I got to be honest, I'm
really looking forward to Monday
night, this upcoming Monday,
Jets and Dolphins.
Will this be the game that Mike
McDaniels is finally let go?
If they lose, yeah.
If they lose to The Jets, he's
in trouble.
I think he's in trouble if they
lose to The Jets.
Are you excited about him being
in trouble?
I just want these motherfuckers
to get back on track.
Are you, as a Dolphin fan,
looking forward to the exit of
Mike McDaniels?
I just want to see them throw
the ball consistently.
I want to see Tyreke get his
stats consistently.
I want to see a chain get his
stats consistently.
I just want him to go back and
play football.
I want to see an apology to
Brian Flores.
That's what I want to see.
That's never going to happen.
I want to see, you know what,
you were right.
We were wrong.
You should still be the head
coach of this organization.
Now he's over in Minnesota just
dicing people up as a defensive
coordinator.
Brian, on behalf of the Cigar
Hustler Podcast, we apologize
for the NFL.
No for the Miami Dolphins.
We apologize for the Miami
Dolphins.
Yes, I think that that's
appropriate.
We will apologize on behalf of
the Miami Dolphins.
So I can't wait for Monday.
A lot of people aren't excited
about that game.
There's two games, there's two
games one day.
Yeah, I saw a post that said if
you have plans on Monday, don't
cancel them.
And then it showed both of those
games.
There's two games on Monday
night.
Yeah, Denver's playing somebody,
too.
That's odd, isn't it?
No, they've been doing this like
a double up.
They'll start one at 7, and
they'll start the next one at
10.
It's the it's to free up the
prime time on Sunday.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, 'cause before, remember
that you see, usually be like
either a super late game or
there would be two Sunday
nights, so they're trying to
free up some time.
And now CD Lamb is out in
Dallas.
There's a lot of people out
Tyrone Tracy.
Yeah, who's that?
Tyrone Tracy for Colonel Tracy,
the Giants running backs that
are really fucked now.
Yeah.
I mean, you mean the guys, the
guys that are O and three?
Yeah, I mean, it does pave the
way for Scatabo though.
Yeah, it's true.
Which is going to be cool to see
him get a lot more touch.
Sorry, man, you could plug
anything into that train wreck
of a team.
Yeah, it is a train wreck.
Saquon Barkley leaves, becomes a
champion.
Daniel Jones, which I was
talking about beginning of the
season.
Yeah.
Cross eyed Jones.
Doing all He's doing all right,
he's better than Russell Wilson
4th and short.
Let's just fire this ball into
the back of the end zone that.
Guy after the first quarter
looked like he just forgot to
play.
How to play football.
Yeah, I don't know what happened
to him.
I don't know.
Probably forgot to take his
meds.
All right?
So I don't know.
It's a joke.
Please don't come for me.
All right?
What?
What else you got?
We're moving on from the end of
the show.
Oh, it's like a break for you.
Oh yeah, it's like a.
Break for me left.
That's over here.
That's right.
All right.
That's what's making headlines
today.
Now let's shift gears from the
world of trending news.
It's something a little slower
burning.
It's time to talk cigars.
Oh.
Mirafell says the Toro Fuente
relationship has ended.
He put all the Toro Fuente stuff
in a box and told him to come
get it.
It's in the front yard.
Box told him to come get his
box.
A month after Otoro Fuente
informed his international
customers that its distribution
agreement with the Marifel's has
come to an end, the Marifel
family has issued its own press
release.
In it, the Marifel say that the
two families, who have been
business partners for decades,
have ceased trading together.
Their relationship was
multifaceted.
The Marifel's operator, Toro
Fuente International, which was
responsible for the distribution
of our Toro Fuente products to
almost all markets outside of
the US and Latin America.
Toro Fuente has distributors in
each international country, but
the Marifel's, though a Toro
Fuente International, served as
the go between from a Toro
Fuente to local distributors at
the time of this announcement.
It raised the question of
whether the Marifel's would
continue to supply a Toro Fuente
with Cameroon wrapper leaves
that a Toro Fuente uses for Don
Carlos and Hemingway cigars as
well as other lines.
When asked, the owners of both
companies declined to answer
half Wheels illicit questions
regarding the future supplying
of Cameroon wrappers.
It's over.
But it's over, Johnny.
But a press release from the
Marifel's family appears to
provide the clearest answer to
the question.
The two companies are no longer
doing business together, a press
release signed by Jeremiah
Merafel reads.
For decades, our family has
poured investments into our
distribution business, with a
significant emphasis on the
Arturo Fuente brands.
Indeed, our investments have
gone well beyond the financial,
committing our time, knowledge
and passion to building the
Arturo Fuente brands.
Do Families have a history
together spanning 3 generations?
And Merrifield is incredibly
proud of what we are able to
achieve for the Fuente family. 3
generations. 3 generations,
yeah.
Wow, you don't watch the
interviews?
Obviously no.
Unfortunately, Fuente and
Merrifield have ceased trading
together.
We are disappointed and saddened
by this, and it brings an
important chapter in our
esteemed history to a close.
Because of how both companies do
business, the abrupt end of the
company's relationship is
unlikely to mean changes for
cigars that consumers are
buying.
Torrefuente prides itself on
having extensive inventories of
tobacco, with a goal of having
enough tobacco for multiple
years of production on hand in
addition to its expansive aging
rooms of rolled cigars.
Still, barring a reversal of the
current situation at some point
in the future of Torrefuentes,
Don Carlos and Emily cigars will
not come with wrappers at
Marifel to Torre Torofuente.
While neither family has
commented on what caused the
split, statements from both
companies this week paint a
picture that the relationship
has not ended pleasantly.
Notably, neither side letters
made any mention of wishing the
other partner well or anything
close to it, and a sign placed
in the otherwise empty of Torro
Fuente Bootha.
This week's Enter to Back Trade
fair says that the company is
not at the trade show in
Dormont, Germany due to
unexpected circumstances beyond
its control.
This story is definitely written
by Charlie, yeah.
Yeah.
Well.
Well, listen, I honestly think
that this is going to change the
shape of with companies forever.
It's going to take, it'll
probably take about 10 years or
so, but man, things are going to
be different.
Here's what here's what I think
is the the best approach to
really kind of resolve the
situation.
We have PCA in New Orleans this
upcoming year and then you go
back to Vegas, right?
Let's let's get Carlito to agree
to the.
Terms.
What are the terms?
In one year when we go back to
Vegas, a UFC fight.
Yes.
For both of them.
Yes, Shorty versus Tolly Shorty.
Versus Tolly.
Jeremiah is not short.
Who do you think?
Yeah.
I didn't say Jeremiah was short.
Who do you think?
Who do you think?
Who do you think wins in an
outright MMA fight?
I think Jeremiah.
I think so too.
I think Forte tries to talk him
out of it.
But stipulation is he can't lose
the hat during the fight or he's
out.
The hat has to stay on at all
times.
Both.
Hats.
No, you can't desecrate the hat
by bringing in the rings.
It's.
Not OK A different a fighting
hat.
A fighting hat.
Same.
Same type of the.
Actual hat, the actual hat and.
Would lose the scarf because
Carlito will use that as a
weapon.
Against him, right?
No, I think Jeremiah can use
that as a weapon.
Oh yeah.
Well.
If he takes it off but if he
moves it on.
Yeah.
You know, we kind of saw that
this was heading this direction.
We've talked about this in the
past that.
Right.
What was the other announcement
that they're no longer Fuente
cut distribution?
That's right.
Fuente cut distribution.
Now it seems like Mirabel, it's
oh, so this is their slap back.
Oh yeah.
Well, now you can't have any of
the Cameroon.
That's a huge, that's huge.
Sure it is.
Who do you think it hurts more?
Do you think it hurts Mirabel
more or do you think it hurts
Fuente more?
I mean, definitely Mirafell.
I mean, they're, they're not as
big.
Depends on how often.
I mean, if Fuente has these
large supplies of Cameroon, how
often are they actually buying
it?
They have to buy every year.
They buy every year.
They buy every year of.
Course, that's how they build it
up.
Then I don't know, maybe it's a
wash, but maybe the the cost of
the Cameroon bounces out with
how much money they don't make
selling Fuente.
I don't think that that's the
case at all.
No, I.
Could they had the agreement
with their paid in Cameroon paid
in Cameroon?
I guess it wouldn't work
because.
Paid in to do that.
Well, you give us cigars to sell
and then we give you Cameroon.
I'm Marifel Yerfuente I.
Don't.
I don't think that you give.
Me, your cigars.
I sell them internationally.
In exchange for that, I give you
the same value in tobacco.
That's so messy.
You know the the Luciano payment
method.
That's so messy.
That's so messy.
I wouldn't do that way.
But I think honestly, for me, I
think that it hurts Fuente the
most.
Yeah, eventually.
Eventually, right?
Yeah, eventually.
You know, the Cameroon tobacco
is really good, Sure.
And from the conversation that
we had with Jeremiah, it doesn't
sound like it's going to be
difficult to sell it, you'll
find.
Somebody else who wants to buy
it.
Somebody else will.
Who do you think he sells it to?
I mean STG will buy it in a
heart.
Yeah, STG General or AJ
Fernandez.
Yeah, I mean, there's, there's
a, there's a you.
Think the drone goes after and
tries to make a different cigar.
I don't think.
Being shipped says only AJ on
it.
You know, only AJ.
Only AJ.
Not American only AJ.
Yeah, I think that you know.
Maybe Hector makes a good cigar
out of it, maybe not.
I thought he had a different
one.
Sumatra.
Oh yeah, he's on the Sumatra.
He can.
Replace the Sumatra.
With oh, Sumatra's their best
seller, they said.
Well, that goes to tell you that
there are a lot of cigar guys
out there that.
Don't see any pictures of.
It Oh my God, you know, I, I got
AI got a message from a, a brand
or manufacturer that was very
upset about one of the things
that we said, and I won't say
his name.
What did we say?
And that's exactly what what
that's the first thing that I
said.
I was like, well, first of all,
what did we say?
Second of all, you listen to the
podcast.
You know, that wasn't the first
thing.
That wasn't the first thing.
What?
Do you mean you listen those
things could have been
interchanged?
Like he's like, I listen to the
podcast.
I'm like, wait a second, you
listen to the podcast?
You tell me after.
And I just sure.
And I just think that it, it was
funny to me because I'm like,
what what do we honestly say
that really pisses somebody off?
I, you know, like we don't have
intentions of really trying to
hurt anybody, no.
No, we're not mean spirited.
It's all fuckery up here.
Yeah, it's all fucker.
This is for entertainment.
It's not like Hector's going to
call us after after we break his
balls.
You know what?
Fuck you.
Guys, you cross the line, right,
that's.
That's it.
We're done.
My entire staff is canceling
their Patriots.
Yeah, I'm taking my ball.
I mean the PCA guy we, we went
after several times, Joshua
Luberski and he called he.
Loves us now.
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Like I semi regular on the show.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I just I'm like so here I so I
apologize.
I'm like, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to you just.
Say I'm sorry, whatever we said.
Like, yeah, I don't know, I'll
have.
I actually said I'll have to go
back and listen, but I'm for
one.
Apparently he agreed with what I
said.
Oh.
And I'm like.
But he was angry.
Yeah.
Was it?
Did you, did we say it about him
or did we say it about somebody
else?
And he thought it was mean
spirited.
I'm just going to leave it at
that.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to go further down
the hole.
So let's end the show her
quickly.
We need to find.
Out but like man, like go.
Really, who's new?
I'm like come on dude for real
don't be upset with me.
I got nothing but love with this
industry.
We've been kicked in the head
75,000 times.
Right.
As we've been in this industry,
I'm sorry, I was talking, but he
was singing something in the on
the mic.
Like, you know what?
Now's a good time for me to bust
out a tune, so.
I was actually listening to that
song this morning.
Drake But yeah, I mean like I
got some also I have some
interesting stuff, some theories
that I want to talk about on the
Patreon, which I think will be
really good because.
Can we release this name on the
Patreon?
No, I'm not going to do it.
I'm not going to do that.
I've already upset the guy.
Maybe.
No, I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to tell you right now
I'm not going to do it because
if I, if I've legitimately hurt
somebody's feelings, you know?
We heard his.
Feeling until or whatever, if
I've upset them until they can
understand what we're about, I'm
not going to keep digging that
hole.
He was still upset even after
the conversation.
I don't know.
We don't.
We're not that tight where I can
follow back up.
OK, now he gives clues.
SO and I just texted so how you
doing?
Maybe one day we'll be friends.
So Mickey Pig finally reached
that back out to you.
He's.
Got no reception on the.
Trail, that was the worst one,
man.
That was that was a long
conversation on that one
sideways.
So glad with the complaints they
call you.
It's crazy.
That's crazy.
But, you know, we want what's
best for the industry.
You know, I don't, I don't know
how else to say that.
And we have a good time and, and
we and we break everybody's
balls on the show and, and
everybody seems to love it.
Well, not everybody, but
everybody.
Not one person.
One guy, well now maybe 2 so.
There's there's definitely guys,
I got news for you.
There's definitely more than
two.
OK, there's.
Definitely more than two.
This is long but distinguished.
So, but whatever.
All right, So go ahead,
continue.
All right, Karen and Berger are
shipping 1/2 time Habano Timeout
and Cigarello Habano this week.
This week, Karen Berger Cigars
will ship 2 new cigars to
retailers, including the
company's first ever Cigarello
Vitola.
The first new release is the
Halftime Habano Timeout A4 by 60
Vitola with an Ecuadoran Habano
wrapper covering a binder and
filler blend of Nicaraguan
tobacco.
In addition to the Halftime
Habano, Timeout is made with
pigtail cap and a close foot.
Each cigar has an MSRP of $7.00
and comes packed in a 50 count
box.
The Halftime line debuted in May
when the company released the
Halftime Maduro Timeout A4 by 60
Vitola incorporating an
Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper,
Indonesian Sumatra seed binder
and filler tobaccos grown in
Nicaragua.
In addition, Karen Berger will
releasing the Cigarillo Habana,
a 3 1/2 by 22 vitola made
entirely of Ecuadorian Habana
tobacco.
Each Cigarillo Habana has an
MSRP of Anybody Anybody $3.
Is it cigarillo?
Yes. 5/2 and cigars are being
sold in 50 count boxes, both
new. 50 counts are new thing.
Apparently both new cigars are
being made in the company's
factory.
Nesta Lee and a text message.
Bruce Bush, VP of sales for
Karen Berger Cigars, declined to
specify how many boxes of each
cigar are being shipped, but he
did confirm that the new cigars
are limited production release
and that both are scheduled to
be in shipping to retailers on
Friday.
Well, the price is so low, you
have to sell it in that
quantity.
Yeah.
Oh, is that what it is?
Just to make enough money to
justify the cigar.
Yeah, well, just to justify the
transaction.
Yeah, $100 retail.
Yeah, the cigarillo, I thought
it might be a smaller, you know,
more, but smaller quantity,
quantity at one time, like maybe
a 5 pack or something.
I think your price has got to go
up, especially if you put it in
a pack.
Yeah, it's easier to sell for
her.
I guess you're right for her.
Well, OK.
All right, Southern Draw,
remember?
That Southern draw.
Adds a tariff related surcharge
to the cigars.
After implementing a 30 cent
increase to the price of its
cigars in May as tariffs went to
effect, Southern Draw has begun
adding a 5% surcharge onto the
cigars it has received beginning
September 1st.
Including Jacob's Ladder.
Whatever they're getting
September 1st when the company
took receipt of its first
shipment with the new 18% tariff
rate.
The company has said it hopes it
will be temporary with Rubber
Hulk telling Half Wheel that
surcharge will be adjusted or
eliminated when the tariff rate
is reduced or removed.
Southern Drop produces cigars at
Tabacolera AJ Fernandez Cigars,
which means it's imports are
subject to the 18% tariff.
The tariff's not going away.
Well, we're around 2 of the
illegal battle and he's and
Trump is lost again.
We'll cover that story here in a
few minutes.
OK, I still don't think it goes.
So he just covered it.
No, they're the we'll get to it
in a minute, but just relax over
there.
Sing another song.
Oh.
Yeah.
I mean, I would love to see the
clustery mess of what happens if
it's pulled out because then
every what's and this is wrong,
but what's going to happen is
every manufacturer and brand
owner that has raised that price
for the tariff, they're all
going to fall under fire, you
know, Oh, you had a price
increase, plus you had a tariff,
plus you had another price
increase.
Like where's our reduction?
You know, and then I then I got
to deal with that shit on
Facebook like it's already, you
know, crazy enough right now on
Facebook.
Yeah, well, maybe it'd be a new
problem, and it's less horrific
than the other problem.
When did we when did we become a
society that just constantly
talk shit about people that we
disagreed with?
I just don't understand.
Jimmy Kimmel, I got ATV show.
And Jimmy, it was all about
Jimmy Kimmel.
All Jimmy.
Kimmel No, his original 1 was
wait, was not about any of that.
Well, Jimmy Kimmel used to do
comedy and, you know, I just.
I never really thought he was
that funny.
Well, I did like the Man show,
and I'll take that.
Back that was his original.
Show that was back in the day.
Yeah, way back.
I'm more of a Fallon guy myself
anyways.
I like Jimmy Fallon's show.
He's an alcoholic.
Is he?
Yeah.
Yeah, he's got a problem.
Good for him, I don't know what
to.
Tell you, I mean, he still does
his work, so you know, hey, let
him booze it up.
That's, that's none of my
business, right?
As long as he shows up.
Shows up for the show every
night.
Yeah.
Is he a good dad?
He seems like a good dad.
Oh, that?
Well, that's the TV part, you
see.
I don't know.
I don't think he beats his
children.
Or anything.
Yeah, that's right.
You're 100% correct.
I'm looking at this from a
bird's eye view, right, right.
And I think that's another thing
too, is that people look at a
situation and they're 100%
committed without having all the
facts, just what they saw on TV
or, or on a YouTube short or
whatever, or on a podcast does.
This kid flunge.
I have no idea.
I'm not sure.
Not in, not on the TV.
Yeah.
Maybe he doesn't beat him.
His kid's got like a tree house
or whatever.
Oh, he definitely doesn't beat
him.
With a slide.
Well, Jimmy didn't build it.
It doesn't, No.
If you have Jimmy Fallon money,
you don't have to.
You can always.
I mean, you're probably not
qualified for one.
For two, you know, you can have
that guy do it, sure.
You know, hire.
Harrison Ford to come over.
He's a good Carpenter.
Yeah, and it seems a bit over
the top, but OK.
I don't think you could pay
Harrison Ford to come.
Over and build some.
I'm not coming.
Can he walk over?
When you fly his helicopter.
Yeah.
Still have they retested him?
Do they retest?
Yeah.
You have to qualify though.
All the time you.
Have to qualify though in a
simulator.
So, well, they check your
eyesight and stuff and all
kinds.
Of yeah, he's got money, he can
pay for that.
How old is Harrison Ford?
In his 70s.
How old?
That's a great question.
How old?
Is Harrison Ford all right?
Well, he looks up.
How old is Harrison Ford?
We're going to go to Belgium.
Is banning smoking at terraces,
cigar lounges and more.
Oh God.
He's 83 years old.
Yeah, I mean, he's got to be
close to the the drop.
He's got to be close to the
drop.
Yeah, you know the the big
boulder is finally going to get.
Him, the big boulder in the sky,
finally.
Going to.
Get it?
Wow, you know.
I just listen, thank you, see
him running and the ball just
catches up to him now.
Listen Mikey, per year standards
he's 30 some years over the the
limit.
Yeah, As far as like you're
using Tom Holland as a
comparable or?
No, you like, you say, oh, in
your 50s like that's it.
I think, I think no, I when did
I say that?
I think you say you're.
Going to have a heart attack in
your 50s.
Me, I think I, I think I make it
to my 60s OK, somewhere in the
60s.
So he's 20 some years.
I think 50s is is like is is
that post midlife crisis crisis
that a lot of people have.
Like, holy shit, I'm 50.
But I just want to say you add
so much value with all the dumb
shit that you say on this
podcast and we absolutely love
it and appreciate it.
Dude.
The big boulder coming finally
in closes on Harrison Ford.
That's absolutely.
Can you tell us is there
anything that happened in your
50s?
Nothing exciting.
Did you have a like holy shit on
50 moment?
No, no, you just kind of.
I think you want to hit 60.
You think 60 is going to?
Be I'm rolling up on 60 and I
think that's going to be.
You're rolling up on 60.
Yeah, two years.
Well, when we hit podcast
episode number 800 and whatever
we will find out, we will find
out.
Exactly what would we do?
52 a year?
Two years?
No, it's more like 600 and
something.
Yeah, it's only like 6.
Oh OK, that seems a lot closer.
All right.
In Belgium.
Thank you.
Very much sorry.
In Belgium, smoking is said to
be banned in and around
terraces, as well as smoking
rooms, cigar lounges, hookah
bars and more places in Belgium.
The move was announced last week
by Frank Vanderbooch.
Oh, he's in trouble.
Belgium's health minister, who
claims that it was originally
targeted to go into effect in
2026 but was pushed back to
allow businesses more time to
comply.
The largest change will be the
smoking ban at terraces, which
also includes smoking within 10
meters of a terrace.
I wonder who they pissed off.
Yeah, Could they push it back?
Yeah, some guy said.
You know what?
This guy smoking on a terrace 30
feet away from me is a problem.
And now and no more.
Now it is 10.
Well, maybe that guy on that
terrace was Pete Hernandez, and
he was having a rough day.
Those caught violating the rule
by lighting up and a terrorist
could be fined.
And businesses that do things to
encourage smoking, such as
having ashtrays out, could also
be fine.
Oh, now you could find.
If you have an ashtray, like an
ashtray outside.
Yeah, that's a horrible thing to
have.
What are we doing?
What are the ashtray?
We're most fine You.
I don't.
I don't know how they talk in
Belgium.
I don't.
Know that was perfect.
That was French.
My first French.
Smoking is the most dedicated.
Indoor smoking rooms, including
cigar lounges, will be outlawed
as part of the move.
None of our smoking inside.
There, that was perfect.
In a weird twist of fate,
smoking will continue to be
allowed in smoking rooms in
prison.
What?
Well, you're already in prison.
What are they gonna?
Do to you so best we get to
jail, is that what you're
saying?
Apparently you want to smoke a
nice cigar in Belgium you got to
go to.
Place you got to be in jail.
The Belgium government has once
again decided to sacrifice the
thousands of jobs involved in
specialized cigar sector to
favor the political personal
crusade of his junior coalition
partner against cigarettes, it
had to be said.
Again, all available public
evidence confirms that cigars
are neither consumed by young
people nor smoking initiated
products, said Paul Vargas,
Director Director General of the
European Cigar Manufacturer
Association, which our friend is
probably joining now.
Maybe we get a double up maybe
for like a Co main event.
We got Joshua Hiberski to fight
this guy next year, PCA and B.
But we have an international guy
now to do the fight.
Oh, that's.
Right, we have Ricardo.
Yeah, the the kayak guy.
He's going to be joining the
European Cigar Manufacturer
Association.
Nice.
He should, at least.
Yeah, we got to get him on the
show.
For another cool 400,000.
You know nothing drives me
crazier though.
Like as these regulations keep
popping up and and worse and
worse things continue to happen
for the cigar industry, yes, you
can still suck on your fucking
battery wherever the hell you
want.
It your personal appreciate
against vaping.
I can't stand it.
We were at Universal and you
know, every once in awhile you'd
catch the dude with his little
pink fucking thing and carry and
blow it out and no one's going
to say anything 'cause it's
quick and easy and it's in and
out and I'm just like, dude.
What is that?
Fucking cherries.
Light up, puff your cigar and
just put it away.
Oh yeah.
You should have followed the
vape guide and then done that
all day long.
First of all, I've always abided
by the rules when we go there
and like I remember when I was
walking in City Walk and I lost
and some lady when we were
allowed to, some lady lost her
mind us like go get a security
guard.
Security guard goes, gets the
security guard, comes back.
He's like, yeah, no, they're
fine, thank you.
I know.
But but you know, your BMI is
really high, lady.
You're probably going to die.
Before.
But you're fat, he means.
Goodbye, Fat Karen.
Goodbye, Fat Karen.
Goodbye, Fat Karen.
Insane.
One of those lowest points where
individuals in prison for
committing crimes would have
more smoking rights than adults.
Simply wanting to occasionally
consume cigars makes sense.
Text will now be discussion in
Parliament, where we hope to see
the cigar community raise its
voice to defend the right to
smoke cigars in a considerate
manner.
This is the latest in the series
of moves from Vanderbrook that
could cement Belgium status as
one of the least cigar friendly
countries.
Earlier this year, he announced
stricter packaging rules for
tobacco products.
The problem is the cigar voice
is small.
Yeah, I mean, how many cigars
does Belgium consume?
I have no idea, but it's just in
general as.
Well, it's called Ricardo Zorro
from that one.
Zorro.
He kind of looks like Zorro.
OK, I'm good with that.
Well, I'm.
Zorro.
Like Antonio Bandera.
Zorro.
Yeah, he needs to swing into
because his.
Name is Ricardo.
Is this why we're going there?
Yes, he needs to Ricardo Zorro,
they're all the same.
He needs to swing into Belgium.
Swing into Belgium, fight this
dude with a sword.
OK.
Draws a cigar instead of AZ Put
the draws a quick cigar on him.
Now I'm gonna have to try.
Now I'm.
Gonna have to try and use some
type of AI video of Zorro
swooping in.
Yes, all right.
Dunbarton Tobacco and Trust
Ships.
Mikarita Gorilla Gordo.
Gorilla.
Gorilla, but it's spelled wrong.
New addition to Dunbarton
Tobacco and Trust Mikarita line
is on the way to retailers, but
it's not the vitola that was
originally planned.
The MI Karida Gorilla Gordo is a
6 by 60 Gordo with a 109 style
cap.
What was that again?
It's a point like a belly
coastal, but it's more rounded.
Gotcha. made-up of a Connecticut
broad leaf wrapper covering a
Nikki Raguan binder and filler
blend.
As with the other size in the
Miki Rita line, it's produced at
Nicaragua.
American NASA 109 style cap is a
hybrid between the traditional
round cap of robusto or Toro and
the pointy cap of a Velicoso.
Very good Michael, there you go.
Eat cigars and MSRPF.
Can I wait?
These are Dunbarton, Tobacco and
Trust.
Prices it's at least $75 a
stack, I mean minimum.
I'm going 74. 1495 and it's
packed in boxes of 20.
He's practicing for later.
That's actually not bad, 1495.
It started shipping to retailers
September 12th.
While Dunbarton Tobacco and
Trust plans to add a Gordo
vitola to the Mikarita, it's not
new.
The initial plan was for an even
thicker cigar last year.
The coming discontinued with the
Mikarita Gordo Grande A6 by 52
Toro 54 Toro Grande vitola that
saka saying it would be replaced
by a thicker 6 by 64 vitola.
Not big enough?
I personally was content with
either the 60 or 64, but since
we already have 767 by 64, using
the 6 by 60, Ventola introduced
more diversity into the
portfolio, so I opted for that,
said Saka.
That's crazy and.
He's 75 page Facebook posts.
Yes, well ask why the ring gauge
had changed.
The Mikarita brand debuted in
2016 with four different
Vitolas, including the MUI Gordo
Grande MUI Gordo, and the nine
years since his first release in
line has grown to include more
than 10 different sizes.
Has inspired a number of
different blend variants,
including the Mikarita Green,
the Mikarita Black, the Mikarita
Tricky Truck.
Coming soon me Karita, Cameroon.
Right.
Do you think that $4.00 all
right, so he wanted it to be a 6
by 64 but boom the 6 by 60 pops
up.
How do you think that happens
you?
Think, I think somebody up at
the factory they.
Think somebody.
Wait, wait, you drew a four?
Guy.
There was that guy before.
There's a guy.
Remember we had that guy at the
other factory.
He's now transferred to Naxa.
He's like, Oh no, no, much
better.
The 660 he wanted 64, no.
No, no, no, this much.
This is much better.
Tobacco go further smaller size
that's.
Very good.
It's still big.
Still big.
You.
Sure, that's not 64.
Let me see it.
Let.
Me see that put another little
thing hey.
It's close, 60.
It's close.
Wait a second.
Very close.
You fine.
You he don't come here that
often.
Now you won't know.
Put your lips around, you'll
like it.
So it makes sense to put like a
one O 9 cap on it because if
it's a bigger gauge, right?
I I understand that.
Well, not as big, but yes.
Yeah, but not as.
Big as you want it supposed to
be Bellicoso Yeah, we fucked
that up to it.
It just.
Yeah, why isn't this a
Bellicoso?
Oh, no.
It's one O 9, One O 9.
It's a whore you like, man.
I mean, I mean, no, it's much.
Better, I mean, I mean.
No, it's much better.
I can't wait for the my text
from Steve.
Yo you didn't see what he said?
You see what the post I did the
other day was picture to
background?
No.
Oh yeah, the juicing.
Yeah, he commented on, he goes.
At least you're not a really
good customer, so I can ignore
you.
I dude, you know what was funny
is I was going to comment under
that.
I was like, he's not a customer
of yours at all, but I was.
But I.
Was.
That would have been funny.
But, you know, I was like, Oh,
yeah.
Let him have his.
Moment Yeah, this is go ahead
you bro, you know, enjoy that,
enjoy that.
Now there's three people mad at
us.
Yeah, there's definitely more
than three.
We will find that number boots.
We'll keep going.
Appeals court strikes down
Trump's tariffs rates in effect
until at least October 14th.
This is an update to a previous
story.
Gentlemen, this is the this is
the news.
The justification used by the
Trump administration to enacted
sweeping tariff scheme has been
ruled illegal.
However, the tariffs will stay
in effect until at least
mid-october now.
This is the update from
September 18th.
The Supreme Court scheduled oral
arguments for the appeal to be
heard on November 5th.
On Friday, the US Court of
Appeals for the Federal Circuit
Court ruled 7 to 4 with 1 judge
not participating, against the
administration's use of
International Economic Emergency
Powers Act, or AIPA, to enact
the tariffs on goods from nearly
100 countries.
However, the court will allow
tariffs to stay in effect until
October 14th, giving the Trump
administration time to appeal
the decision to the Supreme
Court.
This is the latest ruling
against the White House and the
novel approach that it used to
enact the tariffs while
bypassing Congress on the
grounds of national security.
Tariffs were announced, so he
said he had to do it because of
national security.
Yes, I don't know.
What is the security problem?
The the, the deficit, something
something country is taking
advantage of us, whatever you,
whatever you want to say.
Temporarily suspending some
parts of the terrorists, many of
which were re enacted or re
enacted.
In late July, days after the
tariffs went into effect, 5
businesses sued the
administration, arguing it did
not have the authority to
unilaterally enact the tariffs.
The case was brought to court.
International trade and
specialized court handles trade
matters.
Less than two weeks later,
second lawsuit was filed in
court, this time by dozen
states.
May 28th, a three judge panel of
the Court of International Trade
granted both sets of plaintiffs
requests for summary judgment,
finding the White House lacked
the authority to enact these
tariffs with Congress, which
without Congress, which has
historically been required to
enact tariffs.
However, Trump administration
appealed and was granted a stay
allowing the tariffs to remain
in effect while it appealed.
Today's ruling is the first
appeal, but presumably not the
last.
The appeals court affirmed the
previous ruling that found that
IEEPA does not allow for most of
tariffs that Trump
administration enacted via
executive orders.
Listen, he's going to win.
He's going to win.
They're just lost round two,
Yeah, it doesn't now, OK, Now
it's going to go.
It's going up the ladder.
Right, right.
It's going up the Supreme Court
now.
Yeah, OK.
And then it eventually gets
kicked.
I just don't see him.
Supreme Court as far as he can
go, right?
I mean if they.
Say yeah, no, it's fine.
They're going to say whatever.
They're going to say, oh, it's
fine.
Yeah.
Is that good or bad for our
country?
I don't know.
Kind of to be determined.
I think that checks and balances
are kind of important.
If we have the Congress and you
know, right, they should
probably work on going through
the proper channels.
But at the end of the day, it
doesn't matter whatever side you
vote for, they all executive
orders shouldn't be as common as
they are.
I mean the last I.
Mean you could do.
I mean, they just write these
all day long.
Yeah, the last guy, he wasn't
even writing them.
They were automated.
Signatures.
The automatic, the automatic
pen, yeah.
And, and nobody cared about
that.
I mean, like, it's just, it's
all obnoxious.
It's all obnoxious, right boots.
Give me another boulder joke.
Come on, something boulder joke.
Do you think that Trump is
confronted with the boulder in
the sky?
At some?
No.
I mean, he's up there.
He is up there, as we've already
discussed.
There's really no way for the
industry to take them back off
anyway.
I mean, if the tariff goes away,
they're not, nobody's lowering
their prices.
So I mean, at this point we're
sort of stuck with what we've
got anyway.
And you're going to be, you're
going to see things.
You're going to see companies
come under fire, right?
Yeah.
You did this.
You dirty rat.
Right.
Especially the ones that said,
oh, we had to increase prices
because of tariffs, but they
increased it by like 20 some
percent.
Yeah, Was that really a thing?
Well, you carry.
The one and then you know, you
account for this and.
Some people, some people raised
by 20%.
Well, no, there was a couple
that did like 4. 4%.
Four different price increases.
So OK.
Every time there was a new one,
like, oh, we got to go back up,
yeah, back up, up again.
Well, I mean, I think sometimes
are bolder.
Look man, some, some of those
prices have been justifiable.
Those price increases.
I'm not saying that's not the
case, right?
It's really.
Possible.
But if this gets taken away, I
mean, yeah, it's going to be
really bad.
Look, you're screwed either way
If you're a brand owner or
manufacturer, you know, you
either take it on the chin and
do your best not to raise
prices.
Will you raise prices?
And then all of a sudden it
looks like you're a bad guy.
So we'll see.
All right.
Everybody ready?
It's time for your favorite game
show.
I am ready.
What's the score?
OK, you ready, Boots?
Who's going first?
I think Mikey went first last
time.
Whatever you want to do, buddy,
it's your world.
I'll go first minute, OK.
All right, here's first cigar,
September 21st, 2025.
Patrick Lagreed it's the
Dominican Republic flavored
infused Miami cigar and company
review of the.
Man. 56.
Cats Toro outcast the one with
the cat, the yellow band with
the black cat on it.
Oh, OK, they had I.
Didn't know it was flavored but
apparently it is OK. 56. 56.
Oh, they got a lot of ad space
on half wheel.
Alright, yes I do.
That's where I've seen it a lot
lately.
I'm going to go 90 to start.
Oh wow, because they pay money.
Yeah, that's how it works.
That's bullshit.
Maybe you really going 56?
Yeah, sure.
Why?
Oh, OK, he's going to.
At this point, it doesn't matter
what the number is in the
beginning.
He can fix it.
Good point, all right.
Cigar reviewed the Outcast Toro.
It's a Dominican Republic cigar
factory, undisclosed.
Oh Lord.
Rapper is Brazil Binder,
Ecuador, Sumatra, Seat Filler,
Dominican Republic and
Undisclosed.
It's a 5 1/2 by 54 round.
MSR PS $11.50 came out June 2025
and they smoked 3 cigars for the
review.
Boots 65. 65 I honestly don't
think that the review that the
ad space changes to how they
feel about reviews.
Honestly, at least when it comes
to half wheel, I'm going to go
88.
It's my number.
First clue At first glance, the
Outcast Toro looks like a pretty
standard cigar.
It feels a bit shorter than what
qualifies as a Toro, so that's
noticeable.
Beyond that, the wrappers are a
consistent dark brown.
The wrapper on the second cigar
is rather unique as it's largely
dry, but I can feel a little
remnant of whatever oil it once
had.
Come on, he's got to get on the
road.
Let's.
Go 76. 76 Shorter cigar Sumatra
binder.
I don't know 87.
Second Clue The Outcast Toro
definitely starts with a unique
profile.
Not as sweet as my cold draw
might suggest, but a flavor that
reminds me of a hearty spread of
strawberry jam on a piece of
sourdough toast.
Strawberry jam on sourdough on
sourdough.
Pretty specific.
It's very specific.
Hit me what you got.
Oh, that was it, That was it.
Oh, he must like Strawberry 81.
81 I'm going to stick 87.
The final third of the outcast
Toro gets drier and loses much
of the flavor and vibrance from
its first third.
It's still hitting my taste buds
with a decent pinch of pepper,
while earthiness forms the base
note, yet the supporting note
feels fewer and farther between.
Boots.
So there's no more strawberry.
Strawberry Gun.
Yeah, you mentioned.
The Strawberry 1 so.
That's it, I'm.
Going to stick 81. 81 I.
Think it sounds like a turd?
Right.
I feel like Charlie didn't do
this one because he didn't want
to hammer it.
That's what he gave it to Patch
87.
It's been a while since I've
been as surprised by a cigar as
I was with the Outcast Toro.
This final thoughts.
It's final thoughts.
I'd written a good number of the
stories about the cigar and I
was pretty sure that I didn't
write about having a sweet tip
or using pipe tobacco, and
certainly not that it had a
profile that would lead me to
think it was a flavored cigar.
To be clear, it is not flavored,
but also not a traditional cigar
in the strict sense and seems to
live on the line between the
two.
What the hell?
The sweetened cap can't be
overlooked, and if you take a
whiff of the foot of the cigar
before you light it, the pipe
tobacco will set a distinct
tone.
First third is most lively as
both of those components are in
play and helping to drive the
experience.
The remaining 2/3 are a bit less
defined and I struggle to come
up with a specific term to
describe with the defining
characteristics of the profile.
It doesn't lean in anyone
particular direction, but
instead dabbles in some familiar
flavors that do a decent job of
stimulating the senses.
Combustion issues in two of the
cigars didn't help the
experience or the score, which
is unfortunate because I'm
inclined to say the Outcastoro
has been a better profile than I
was able to get from it.
I'm almost always in favor of
giving a new cigar a try, and
the Outcast Toro is no
exception.
Just be prepared to get some
things you weren't likely
expecting.
Damn. 76.
Oh thank you so much.
You made my life easy.
I'm going to go.
I feel like because it had some
combustion issues that hurt it,
I'm going to go 85. 81 you win
by one point.
Wow.
I was on 81 too.
Wow.
You went 76, so that's five.
And you went 8585, that's four,
so you win by a point.
Wow.
Snuck that in and AWI.
Can't believe this turd rocket
fucking still was in the 80s.
Well, low score to them is in
the low 70s, so I mean it's
down.
There, you got to think about a
couple things here.
For one, if Charlie reviewed
that cigar, it's it's bad.
It's a bad, it's a really low
number, you know.
In the beginning this was a
flavored cigar and then it
turned into a non flavored.
And when I say and when I say
it's flavored, I mean it's not
flavored.
It's like strawberry jam, just
the one time and the one.
Early on it tasted delicious.
And then the last the, then the
second and third, third, second,
third and third, third of the
cigar.
I don't know what it tasted
like.
So the first third was complete
Hunter.
Bolt shorter than than actual
Toro and.
It's actually not a Toro.
It was supposed to be a 64, but
it's a 60.
It's a robusto Gordo.
All right, next cigar from 2015.
Charlie Minato Davidoff,
Dominican Republic Limited
Edition Redux.
The Avo 88.
OK, hold on.
So Minato.
Minato Davidoff.
Davidoff.
Limited production.
Limited edition.
OK.
An Avo 88.
It's an AVO.
Got it.
It's a redo.
It's a redo.
OK, all right.
You want me to go first?
Yep, 88. 91.
All right, Cigar Review the Avo
Limited Edition 201488 Country
of Origin Dominican Republic
Factory OK Cigars.
Yeah, rapper Dominican Republic.
It's where the cigars come out
and they're just OK.
Just OK Binder Dominican Orlo
Creolo.
Dominican Republic filler Piloto
Viso Piloto Lujero San Vincent
Lajero and Carrojo Orlo Creolo.
That was amazing.
Size 6 by 52.
It's a Bellicoso.
They actually put the point
thing the whole thing $16.00
cigar it is no number of cigars
released 8888 boxes of 16 so
1400 and to 142,208 cigars.
Extremely limited.
Extremely limited right number
of cigars smoked.
For this review, we could only
get the one.
Just the one there wasn't.
There wasn't enough out there.
There wasn't enough out there.
We couldn't find anything but
the one.
I'll go 89. 91. 91.
Yeah, Grumpy 91.
All right, first clue.
Upon lighting, I get walnut
shells, leather meatiness, and
cranberry.
I don't believe that I would peg
this as a Dominican Pureau after
the first few puffs.
After a few puffs, things get
going.
There's a citrus leather crushed
peanuts with meatiness in the
back.
It reminds me of burnt hot dog
skin.
At the midway point, the
nuttiness picks up alongside a
salty sunflower seed note.
He's got a.
Micro dose, you know what I'm
saying?
He's got a micro dose.
Something wrong with?
It.
There's no way.
Burnt hot dog skin burn.
I had hot dogs last night.
I couldn't tell you what that
tasted.
Like, that's incredible.
All I heard was pegging and hot
dog skin and that was out.
I knew he would pick out the
pegging he lost.
You at pegging he.
Lost the pegging, Picturing
Charlie and pegging.
Not smoking this cigar.
Apparently it comes with
something extra.
I'm going to go 90.
I'm 2nd 91.
OK.
All right, second clue.
I honestly forgot these cigars
were packaged in cellophane,
which fortunately provides a
more intense aroma after a year
of sitting in a box surrounded
by lots of viajes.
Some of the notes are so
personally specific. 92 What?
Does that mean to US?
92. 91.
So if you have this, don't put
it with the Viajes, OK, but the
final third of the avo 88, the
harshness has picked up
dramatically enough so that it
becomes a prominent flavor.
8991.
This review was only three
paragraphs long.
It was very hard to specifically
pull things out.
Final thoughts.
Final thoughts.
When I first smoked the Avo 88,
I love the balance between the
strength, body and flavor.
It was a full bodied and
stronger take on Avo.
But there was one thing that
irked me, the harshness.
I thought that some time it
could calm down the harshness,
but there was concern about
letting the cigar rest.
It could lose some of the
strength, and that made the
balance so wonderfully.
Both happened for me.
I'm not as impressed with the
cigar then when it was fresh.
It's still got a great array of
flavors, good construction, and
an interesting balance.
But I'll trade a bit of
harshness for a bit of strength.
88. 89.
Oh, you went the wrong way.
Boots 87.
Oh.
In 87. 87.
That was so close.
That Charlie liked Burt hot dog
skin.
The original review was 89.
Was it?
Yeah.
Well, I was at 88 too.
Well, but he said 89.
Yeah.
All right.
Listen to the week Fred Rui, who
will be guest soci next week on
Episode 407.
We can't wait for that.
We love Fred Rui we.
Love Fred Rui.
Even though he doesn't love us.
And you'll find out next week
why.
Is he the one that complained?
No, no, All right.
Shop of the week, Treasure Coast
Cigars, where I'll be in about 2
1/2 hours, so we got to go.
All right, guys, thank you very
much.
We appreciate you listening of
the week.
Fred Rui got it.
Sorry.
We just, no wonder he doesn't
like it.
So you forgot about him already?
All right, guys, we got to go.
Bye.
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Show Notes
In today’s episode, we’ll start with the tragic news out of Oklahoma involving a fatal tiger attack. From there, we’ll cover an on-set injury that paused Spider-Man filming, break down Week 3 of the NFL season, and wrap up with the latest cigar industry updates.