ACHP 427 Riots, Killer Bears and Oreos
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Welcome to a Cigar Hustler
podcast every weekday at 5:00
AM.
This is episode 427.
This releases at 5:00 AM. 5:00
AM We get the drive time that
way.
Oh nice.
I'm Mike Palmer, your host, and
today with our engineer Boots, I
like to eat gas station food.
Hippelhauser.
We have the top stories of the
day.
What have you turned into?
Like a Tim Allen home
improvement?
Yes, he.
Really.
Has he's evolved?
The top stories Today Tanzania
is rolling out heavy police
presence ahead of Independence
Day festivities.
A grizzly bear attacked a group
of kids making national
headlines, and Oreo is trying to
clean up its act with a new
healthy option.
Oh my God.
Over in the cigar world, the
Punch Princess are landing in
Cyprus, Rebellion is shipping
out the Beast and the Screaming
Skull, and Aladino might be
beating a dead horse with its
latest move, the CRA Winter
samplers dropping just in time
for the season.
And of course, we will wrap it
all up with a quick What's the
Score?
What's the score?
Yeah, you.
Didn't even do it, Palmer.
We do it later you guys messed
up the other day and now with my
Co host extremely attractive and
always calm Mikey step on
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You get a haircut.
Me.
Yeah, I ran out of hair gel is
the problem.
Yeah, I had.
Remember we had that hair thing
yesterday?
Put it in your you.
Put it in your beard too.
I I trimmed, I no, you know
what?
Like.
You got a haircut?
Your beard shorter.
Well, Brittany likes my beard
long, but it eventually hits a
point where it drives me nuts.
Yeah.
So I'm like, I have to shave
this.
He's got to get past that.
I can't do it I.
Can't do it, so I trimmed it,
yeah.
She's disappointed.
Oh, you know.
Hey, you know what's good about
any swag we do here at Cigar
House, where, Michael tell me
the level of quality we always
go?
For it's extremely high quality.
I get messages all the time
about stuff people see, people
wear, people have, and they go,
hey, how can I get that?
And you have to tell them, well,
that was a couple years ago.
I'm sorry.
But but they hold up so well.
Like Eric's hat the other night,
the P hat, I get asked by two
shops, how can we get that P hat
right?
Like, well, that's like 2-3
years old.
I'm sorry it was no longer
available.
Sorry about that.
But if you go to chapterpod.com,
we have another hat available.
We have the bear, the war bear,
blacked out.
Boom.
The new new.
Only got a couple of them too.
New new there's only like 4 or
five a couple left.
And then if you get it now, in
two years it'll be exactly what
you thought the other one was.
Right, it'll still look good.
Bro these are even better
quality than those P hats right?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
All right.
Go ahead boot.
Yes, are we?
Are we still coming out with the
beanie thingy?
The beanie thing, yeah.
So it's a little bit more
complicated, but yes, yeah, got
it.
I'm on it.
How?
Are the beanies more
complicated?
Just curious.
OK, I can because it requires.
Triangular thing they have to
put them on.
Do we need?
Do we need another machine?
So here's what happens with the
beanies in the patch.
So you have to adhere the patch
1st, and you can use the actual
hat press for that 'cause it
heats by the bottom right, and
once it adheres then you gotta
move it to the other press the
shirt press 'cause it's flat
'cause if you pressed it on the
hat press it would bend the
knitting and it would screw it
up 'cause I screwed one up.
Now here's the problem.
Oh wait, so do we have a beanie?
That's messed up.
Yes, well I the patch is is
already off of it. 101, it's
$200 everybody wants.
To fuck people wanting the
melted bear.
So I mean, you know, yeah,
fucking things up, they become
more expensive.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I'm aware.
I'm aware, dude.
I don't know is.
That melted bear is $500.
Do you want me to sell the
melted bear?
I could sell the melted bear.
But if you were going to keep it
for, you keep it for.
You, I just, you know what?
For me, I like to know that it's
OK to make mistakes like that's
why I like wearing it and stuff.
You know, no, I mean, if you're
gonna keep it for you, keep it
from you.
But but I mean we just
constantly get people asking is
the melted bear still available?
Yeah, but we want the melted
bear.
No, you can't.
Sorry, no more melted bear.
Now we have melted Beanie Bear.
Melted beanie Bear, so I'll work
on that this weekend.
I think I have a Sunday off of
life so Oh my God, dude, things
are December's always insane.
December's just so crazy, but
yeah, yeah, I'll square that
away.
I'll square that away.
OK, I didn't realize we'd get
the beanies in stock.
I didn't know that was.
Going we do, I just haven't
posted them yet.
And do you guys want pressures
or privilege shirts?
I would like one, yeah, I would
like a beanie when they become
available.
Yes, the beanie was definitely a
request.
OK, I.
Have not bought a black beanie
yet because I've been waiting.
You get, you get all the merch,
you got the hat, you're going to
get the shirt.
I've been I I wore it last night
to my cigar club.
Oh, the hat, you did.
I had the sweater on everything.
We have sweaters.
Yeah, the chapter pod. 10 The
sweatshirt I wore the hoodie
today too, but.
It's too hot.
Yeah, I guess it's you said.
Sweater.
I was thinking, oh, we got
cardigans, how nice.
No, we.
Walk around in all our merch
that's.
Wow, yeah, I forgot how old you
were.
Oh.
I have the the bear boxers on
today just so.
Oh, are they melted bears or?
No, no, he didn't mess up the
boxers.
It's kind of odd.
Those were perfectly made.
Yeah, they have a little pocket
in front with the bear on it.
A little P right on the slit,
huh?
AP on the P right?
That's right, P on the PP.
On the P All right in World
News, Tanzania deploys police
and army to prevent Independence
Day Nice police and soldiers
deployed in force in Tanzania's
commercial capital Dar es Salaam
on Tuesday to try to prevent
protests called on called for by
the activists to denounce the
violent suppression of
demonstrations around elections
in October.
The government said any protest
on Tuesday, the anniversary of
of mainland Tanzania's
Independence Day started in
1961, would amount in a coup
attempt and urge people to stay
at home.
Presidential and parliamentary
elections on October 29th
triggered the worst political
violence in Tanzania's post
independence history.
The UN has estimated that
hundreds were killed.
The police and army were
patrolling major streets in Dar
es Salaam and checking the
identification of anyone seeking
to move around residents, they
told Reuters.
I suppose like I thought it was
odd that they're celebrating
independence but they're being
suppressed and said they're not
independent.
It's because they're they're
always in war.
Well, you know what, man?
What happens with a lot of
countries there?
There's a revolution, right?
And the revolution is actually
worse than.
Than what it was in the.
Original.
They were originally ruled by
England back in eighteen, 1961
or whatever it was right?
And now it's worse that England
is not in charge anymore.
Hey, we would like it back the
way it was.
You know, I mean, whatever the
case may be, but you know, it's
I think that that's it's ironic
that happens a lot, you know,
and it's very easy for usually
the youth to say, Hey, we want
this is not.
Right.
Isn't it weird?
It's usually the youth want it
back to the way it was before.
Well, they're, well, they want a
revolution, right?
Yeah.
But then they realize that the
revolution, they actually get
screwed right?
The only revolution that was
good was Prince.
Was Prince.
Yeah, that was Prince and the
Revolution.
Who was the singer formerly
known as?
Yeah, he was making a joke and.
What about the American
Revolution?
That was pretty good that.
Worked out well.
Yeah, that was one time.
It was one time.
It's never happening again.
I was in England one time and I
was being teased by the English
that we had never won a war
because of Vietnam, Korea,
right?
I said.
Well, we won that one.
Yeah, you said that to somebody.
Yeah, yeah.
And what and what was their
response?
They stopped talking to screw
you.
Screw you.
That one doesn't count.
You're really fat and you guys
have all the gun problems in
your schools or whatever,
something like.
That everything's completely
turned off on my phone.
Somehow Steve gets through.
Yeah, he must be one of my
emergency contacts.
Notify anyone.
Just turn the volume down.
The volume is all the way down.
Really.
Yeah, OK.
I never had that problem.
I have him set up as one of
those breakthrough type things.
Super important.
Person.
Yeah, my wife, my son and Steve.
But not me.
No, you are too.
I think you're listed as a what?
What is it they say to put near
the name as CID or something
like that?
Call in Yeah ice in case of.
Emergency.
Oh, I'm the guy.
You're the guy.
Oh.
I thought he said CID.
Is he still breathing?
Is he still breathing?
No.
OK.
All right, I'm coming.
All right.
I'm on my way.
I'm on my way, all right.
Grizzly attack school children
and teachers on a walking trail
in Canada, injuring 11.
On a walking trail.
On a walking trail in British
Columbia.
What are we doing, Canadians?
Just wanted to know that was not
VO tech.
It was not.
Yeah, it was not him.
No, he's.
Not no.
This is Canada.
Well, he might have been on
vacation.
You never know where he's going
to show up.
A grizzly bear attacked a group
of school children and teachers
on a walking trail in British
Columbia, Canada, injuring 11
people, two of them critically.
The attack happened Thursday
afternoon in Bella Coola, 700
kilometers, or 435 freedom
miles, northwest of Vancouver.
You better call John Mcdavish.
We talked to him last night,
He's fine.
He's good, OK, wasn't it?
The Nux The Nuxalk NUXALK The
Nuxalk Nation said that the
aggressive bear remains on the
loose Thursday evening and
police and conservation officers
were on the scene.
Officers are armed, remain
indoors and off the highway, the
First Nation said in a social
media post.
Two people were critically
injured and two had serious
injuries.
Emergency health service.
What the Hell's the difference?
Critically injured and serious
injuries.
Critically injured I think means
you're dead.
No go, you're on like the you
could die, I guess, and the
serious injuries are like.
Some scratches made, some bad,
but he's.
Missing an arm, but he's gonna.
But did you die?
Yeah, maybe critically, he's
like on the edge, right?
OK.
Emergency Health Services
spokesman Brian Twaits said the
others were treated at the
scene.
Parent Veronica Schooner said a
lot of the people tried to halt
the attack, but one male teacher
got the whole brunt of it and
was among the people taken by
helicopter from the scene.
So 1 teacher threw himself in
front of the bear.
That's a great teacher.
That was.
That's what, yeah.
Schooner's 10 year old son
Alvarez when the was in the
class of 4th and 5th graders
that were attacked and was so
close to the animal he even felt
it's fur he she said.
Apparently you are through it
too.
Yeah, you don't have silent mode
on.
It's all the way down.
Yeah, but do you have silent
mode on the right side?
You just hold it and it'll go
silent or whatever or the left
or something.
He said the bear ran so close to
him, but it was going after
somebody else.
Schooner said.
She added that some children
were hit with the bear spray as
the teachers fought off the bear
and Alvarez was limping and his
shoe muddy from running for
safety.
Her son's thoughts, however,
were with his classmates.
I can't pronounce the name of
the school.
There's no vowels.
It's like your name at
Kasusawata School, an
Independent School run by the
New Walks First Nation.
Must be the Indians.
And Bella Kula said on a
Facebook post that the school
will be closed on Friday and
counseling made available.
It's hard to know what to say
during this very difficult time.
We are so grateful for our team
and our students, the post said.
But you know it was an Indian,
right?
Right.
Counseling made available.
Well, because the children are
freaked out that their friends
were eaten by bears.
It's like when there's a school
shooting.
They always make counseling
available to the survivors.
Nobody died.
Two people are critical.
OK, but not confirmed dead or
anything.
No, no, there's no confirmed
deaths.
But I would imagine being a
school in northern British
Columbia, a bear is a, you know,
regular thing that can happen.
OK, so they're trying to calm
down the children.
You come back to school, it's
fine.
The bear was not at school.
Like they have signs like
caution bear slashing.
Thank God the bear wasn't the
mascot of the school.
Wouldn't that be terrible?
You know what I mean?
Like the Grizzlies or something,
right?
Yeah, the Grizzlies.
They'd have to change.
Though now they're going to
change it to the teddy bears.
Sorry to make a joke about
something so morbid, but all
right, so here's my question.
You're on a trail with a, with
whatever, with some people. 4th
and 5th graders with Greg.
Palmer.
With a group of people OK and
you see this bear see a gigantic
grizzly bear and it's about to
attack the.
I'm going the other way.
Well, it's OK, so well let's
very quickly answer for you so.
I'm shooting boots and
elections.
So you don't get in front of
anybody.
No, OK.
What if your wife is there?
He's.
Still not I tell her to run.
He's.
Still not getting a run bear
there's there's a saying about a
black and a brown bear like one
of them you act like you're
bigger one of them you act like
you're dead.
I don't remember which way it
is.
You'll probably fuck that up
the.
Black bear, you act bigger.
Grizzly.
The grizzly is where you're
screwed.
Yeah.
So wife.
That's why there's a third
option you run.
OK.
You're not faster than a bear.
What if?
What if your kids are there?
You can zigzag.
They got the zigzag.
Ava.
That's an alligator.
Look man, first of all, I'm not
walking in the fucking woods and
I'm definitely not going with
the kids.
Look, I just want to know where
the line is, I guess.
So there is no there.
You're just.
He's always, I mean, I would
probably grab her and run.
I'm running.
There's running involved.
This is the only time there's.
Bears are fast, can't they?
We're like 50-60 miles in a
Sprint, I mean.
Yeah, you're not.
Running.
But while they're feasting on
the other children, you know I'm
getting away.
So he's not saving all the
children.
He's saving his child.
Wow.
Here's the problem.
I am he's.
Not even saving the children.
He's not even saving his
children.
First, he's going to pick her up
as long as so he has somebody to
throw at the bear when he gets
close.
Oh my shoulder, you know what I
mean?
The bear's getting close.
Sorry, Eva.
Love you.
First of all, This is why I am
not a chaperone.
Oh.
That's true.
I don't want to be involved, he.
Doesn't want to be responsible.
That is so bad.
So they took bear spray with
them.
So that means it.
Was a bear spray.
There was a possibility of a
bear attack, right?
So why do you schedule that kind
of stuff?
Right.
Hey kids, there may be a fucking
dragon in here and he's going to
fucking eat you.
So we brought that.
We're going to go.
We brought the dragon spray.
We'll all be fine.
Yeah, if you see you want to
just spray this, he'll run away.
Bullshit.
I mean, Yellowstone, they
sprayed people one episode with
the bear spray and it didn't
really slow down the people that
much.
That's a show.
Yeah, I know, but I.
Mean, I mean it won't slow down
like a meth head or something,
but I'm sure it's effective to
people that.
Aren't on drugs.
I need to see the data.
Well, that was good.
I mean, well, first of all, you
haven't answered my question.
OK, wife.
I'm going after the bear.
I mean, don't matter what the
crowd is.
OK, that's.
Why?
I think I might buy them some
time.
I'm obviously not going to
defeat the grizzly bear.
Wait.
You're going to die.
I'm going to die, but I might
buy this some time because if I
live and they all die, that's I
can't wait.
Handle that.
Yeah, you're like that.
Sleeping problems now like.
That one guy in Titanic that
kind of slipped on the boat.
Yeah, but what would be the
difference with sleeping
problems?
Well, because it would be worse,
and it would be guilt and
sleepless nights, you think,
instead of anxiety and sleepless
nights.
Yeah.
If my entire family get eaten by
a bear because I was faster,
Yeah.
All your kids are there too.
All my kids got eaten by the
bear.
They're they're grown up.
They're not.
Even if he's a.
Doesn't.
I don't care if they are, even
if it's his kids or your kids.
Right.
Look, first of all, my kids
ain't going on this fucking
trail.
He's lived a good life.
Yeah, I've lived a good life.
If I, you know, if a bear eats
me, how cool is that?
I mean, that's the way you go.
How did he go?
Oh, buried.
I mean, he was trying to save
all.
I'm not.
Going to believe.
This.
There's the bear.
All right?
I guess my eyes over, huh?
Come here, Bear.
Right.
Pick up a stick, a Rock, You
know whatever time you can give
the rest of the crowd.
Well, yeah, I guess.
You seen that?
There's that thing on TikTok
where they asked people if they
would kill for their children.
Yeah.
And most of them say, well, no.
And there's always that one guy,
they go, I'd kill for your
children.
Right.
Yeah, that's the second.
Are these mothers not not
willing to kill to save their
child?
Like one of them's holding her
baby?
Would you kill the for your
child and the lady goes well,
no.
I don't know.
I don't think it's fair to ask a
mother that like a mother is
carrying, kind of nurturing.
Some of them aren't the
protective in that fashion, I
think.
It would be an automatic yes.
It should be an automatic yes
for a father.
Not for the mother, my wife
wouldn't think.
I'm not saying that every woman
wouldn't because I think my wife
would as.
Well, life would probably beat
the bear.
Yeah, I mean, I there, I'm.
I believe that there are times
when I have to be like, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like this is my job.
You stop.
No, you know, like I could
totally.
That was my second wife, right?
Yeah.
I turned around one time to stop
her.
And then when I when I turned
this way, she went that way and
she got in the fight.
She juked you?
Yeah, she sent you with the one
too.
She's going left and going
right.
You're going to.
Kick this guy's ass.
Got him right.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I could see that.
I just.
I don't know.
You always think that, you know,
moms are loving, nurturing,
caring, protective.
You know, not maybe not
necessarily aggressive, maybe
more defense than offense I got.
You right.
OK, fair enough.
But not it's not.
But nothing is a blanketing
scale of everybody is this
That's that's quite apparent in
the world, right?
However, Opus clips will make me
look like a demon on that as
well I'm sure.
I'm not a big fan of the over
under clip that it did this past
week.
Oh, I thought it was good on a
couple things.
Something different you.
Know yeah, it is something
different.
You got to remember too, that on
some of those there was two
people in the in the.
Yeah, it had to because you guys
were sitting side by side,
right?
So it had to.
Do I mean my clips are still
better?
Like the I, I dropped those two
clips.
I dropped the cocaine.
I did that one, that one was
mine.
And then I dropped the I don't
have a computer, but I have a
phone and an iPad.
And a Danielle.
Yeah, I didn't.
I I didn't put Danielle in it,
but yeah, I did.
Yeah.
Oh, OK.
Richie yells.
Danielle does everything or
something like.
That OK, So yeah, I mean, I
would, yeah, I would 100%.
It doesn't have to be my kids.
So we don't go out in the wedge
with boots.
No, now, But listen, here's the
sad part.
How many times you think these
guys have gone on this trail out
of all of these years in the
school?
Well, right, that's just, it is
a trail, so it's used regularly.
So it's not like this bear is
laying in wait and eats
everybody that goes.
Right.
Can I ask you guys a question?
You guys went to school, right?
Yes, yeah.
How many times for a field trip
did you guys go on walking on
the trail other than the Oregon
Trail that you were on Palmer?
I didn't live in British
northern northern British
Columbia.
I mean, how many times did you
walk down the sidewalk?
My wife took their kids on a
field trip from the school to
like the Publix and it's close
enough where they all walked and
held hands along the side of the
road.
Handful of times I've walked on
busy highways or streets or.
Whatever you're from South
Florida, there's definitely
nothing on those sidewalks.
Meth heads.
Other drug dealers other than
yeah, I've seen the drugs.
We've done like sidewalk
cleanups where we'd all.
Don Johnson.
We'd pick up the litter and
stuff.
We were, we do.
We did all that was part of the
thing called Say What's Left,
which is awesome.
Yeah, probably not a grizzly
bear over there.
No, there's no, well, not in
Florida, Yeah.
But my point is that like this
happened this one time and now
it's probably done their trails,
they're they're probably never
going out again.
Oh yeah, the school will never
allow anybody on that trail
again, so they're gonna hunt the
bear down and kill it.
Right.
Like that's but still, are you
OK with that?
Putting the bear down and
killing.
No, I'm fine with that.
That doesn't bother you?
Yeah.
You attack the bear, you attack
people, you're going.
To yeah it's got a taste for
blood now so you know they say
now it looks for.
It and now we're now we make a
coat.
Pitchforks, right?
A big coat.
A nice pitchforks, pitchforks,
torches.
Yeah, maybe a rug you're.
Going down a rake.
But my point is that I hope the
trail doesn't stop for the kids.
I hope that they continue to
still do it.
Oh, that trail.
Oh, it's over.
It's.
Got to be another trail.
I hope that a trail still
happens no matter what it is,
but normally what happens is.
It's maybe trail mix.
Again, it's the IT goes back to
the one guy shits her pants we
all wear diaper scenario right?
Like one thing happens.
One marriage tax everybody now.
We don't go there now.
We're done.
When was the last time that
happened?
It never happened in in the
history of the school.
We don't know.
I'm just saying, you know every.
Tuesday we have this problem.
We don't know what's going on at
that.
Point.
Then I would say no more.
Train and no more train.
Find a new trail.
Maybe this opens up cold cases.
Maybe this is where little
Johnny and little little Timmy
went missing.
Yeah, no sign of the bear, but
all of a sudden just a shoe.
My God.
Well.
They say in polar bear country,
nobody locks their doors.
Polar bear.
Polar bears?
Because who?
Lives there.
Ask them.
There's people that live up
north, up that far north.
Oh my God.
Cause polar bears are the only
bears that hunt for sport.
They'll kill you and just leave
you there.
I love that.
First of all, if you are willing
to live in this cold area, you
deserve some type of torment
from animals so.
Why don't He's a terrible
person, but I still don't know.
He is a terrible person.
So what?
Why leave all the doors
unlocked?
Yeah, so if you're being chased
by polar bear, you have
somewhere to.
Go.
Oh, you can run in.
Really.
You can run into somebody's
house and shut the door.
Not like knock on the door with.
No, don't bring it in my house.
It's.
Coming by.
Come on, open the door, Mikey,
it's right behind you.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Right.
So like, they don't like their
cars, you don't like their
houses, None of that.
Because God forbid you're the
one being chased by the polar
bear.
You want somewhere to go.
It sounds like if you're going
to be a bear, this shouldn't be.
Don't be a grizzly.
If you're going to be a bear, be
a polar bear.
Right, exactly.
It's what the game should be.
All white fur they.
Just walk.
They just walk around killing
things.
They make it look so cute in the
Coca-Cola commercial.
They do, don't they?
That's half the problem.
Oh, just give him a coke, it'll
be fine.
He loves to sing.
You're there at the door,
scratch on it.
You throw a Coke bottle right at
it.
The fucking keeps coming.
Hey this is great like the
digital world and he drinking
his coke.
I'll pops Palm or Santa Claus a
little.
Scarf on with the little.
Tassel thing.
OK, let's put this one to bed.
Let's move on.
I'll do more bear jokes.
No, Palmer comes out with his
blood and his deers.
It's so unbearable all.
Right, Oreo is going 0 sugar and
it's about time.
Oh yes, he's terribly happy over
there.
I've seen him eat the thins, but
they still have sugar now.
Yes.
All right, New Year's dieters,
here's a little win before the
resolutions even kick on.
Oreo is finally rolling out a 0
sugar cookie in the USA.
Yep, the classic cookie you've
been sneaking at midnight is
getting a sugar free makeover.
And it's not a limited run, it's
permanently starting in January.
Oh yes, you'll be.
Do you need some time alone over
there Boots?
No, this is perfect.
Though Oh yeah, Oh yeah, you'll
be able to grab.
You will be able to grab Oreo 0
Sugar and Oreo Double Stuffed 0
Sugar right off the US shelves.
Mondelez Mondelez has been
selling these in Europe and
China for a while, but this is
their first crack at bringing
them stateside.
Why now?
Basically, snackers, especially
younger ones and boots, are
looking for what the industry
calls mindful indulgences.
Basically, we all want to eat
the junk we love, just without
the guilt trip afterwards.
One of the major market research
firm says most Americans are out
there hunting for snacks they
can pretend are good for them.
Congress says the same thing.
Millennials and Gen.
Z's are especially into portion
control.
Wellness focused snacks and all
that stuff.
And the numbers are back up.
Coke 0 sugar has been exploding,
up 9% from last year or regular
Coke basically crawled along at
2%.
Hershey's is already pushing 0
sugar.
Reese's Bortman's been selling
sugar free wafers for years.
So Oreo is jumping in.
Isn't surprising.
The shock is that it took this
long.
But there's the part that
actually matters.
Does it still taste like an
Oreo?
Just so you guys know, no
anything sugar free or zero you
can only have so many.
Why?
Have you ever eaten like too
many sugar free candies?
Well, I don't.
I don't know if that's the fact
anymore.
I know what he's talking about
when they originally.
Came out, it was our go gummy
bears or whatever.
Well, when they originally came
out with sugar free candy, if
you ate too many or the fat free
chips, yeah, there was something
in them that gave you like the
explosive chips.
Explosive chips.
And then they're like, come on
quickly.
Right.
Like, oh God.
It's super quick.
Yeah, I had a sugar free coffee
over the mall one time and I
didn't make it out of the mall.
Yeah, like that thing where you
said, you know, one guy shits
his Pam where everyone's gonna
wear diapers.
We're all wearing diapers.
There's.
No way you're making it to the
toilet with that.
They spent four years tweaking
the formula so it hits the same
flavor.
They're using a blend of Malatol
polydextrous and what's sucrose
and Aciframe Potassium
Translation Science cookies.
Naturally it's not apples to
apples comparison because the
serving sizes are different, but
there's a quick breakdown.
Oreo 0 sugar is 90 calories, 4.5
grams of fat, 16 carbs, and 0
added sugars.
What's this added sugar
something?
It sounds like a scam. 100% is.
There's no, they're not adding
sugars, but there's sugar in it
from something else, right?
Well, there's sugar in it from
everything.
Else calories.
How many?
How many calories are in a
normal Oreo?
Well, it said in a serving size.
How much?
Is 22.6g.
I don't know how many that is.
10 sugar, 10 sugar cookie I
guess.
Calorie of a normal Oreo cookie
is 100 and. 10 and one cookie a.
160 calories, it says right
here. 7 grams of fat, 25 carbs
and 13 grams of added sugar.
Says the original Oreo here is
110 calories. 26% of your daily
limit.
For one cookie, 110 calories.
Yeah, that's why people get fat,
but it's not.
It must be a lot less over there
'cause I don't see a lot of fat
British.
People.
But let's think about.
This a lot of fat.
What people?
British people.
Let's think about this.
It's only 20 calories less.
Yeah, it's not by much.
And you're giving up the.
Real sugar.
It's no added sugar.
Yeah, no added sugar.
I know.
That's like, so how much?
Where's the other?
It's got some sugar.
Right.
So if you eat 10 cookies, that
means you get 1 free.
By 10 you get 1.
Yeah, basically like.
Allegedly, we're not
guaranteeing.
'Cause if you're saving 20
calories per cookie.
Yeah, right.
Uh huh.
Or if you eat 5 cookies, you get
1 free.
That's Howard.
You sure about that?
Yeah, OK.
You said 110, right?
Per cookie.
Yeah, right.
So if you're saving 20 calories
per cookie, yeah, you can eat 5,
and it's almost like you're only
eating 4.
OK.
I see what he's saying.
Yeah, no, I understood all of
it.
I just like challenging.
Oh, so the big oh, sorry, go
ahead.
So the big story is simple.
You get the cookie, but you lose
the sugar.
Well, it tastes like the real
deal.
We'll all find out in January.
But for anyone trying to rein
things in or just looking for an
Oreo that doesn't punch them in
the pancreas, this might be the
snack news of the year.
OK, you want to know what the
Snack News of the Year really
is?
Yes.
Yes.
I'll tell you.
Don't eat cookies.
No, no, Zet bound and all these
other things.
Ozempic or whatever the hell it
is.
Ozempic, The shot that makes you
there, it's.
Everywhere.
Not this point.
It's readily exciting.
So many people are on it.
Would you do it?
What would you do?
Olympic.
I don't need to.
I don't.
If you had to, not if you had to
because really it's a diabetic
thing, but if you had to lose
weight and you couldn't lose
weight by I don't know, well,
most people don't go to the gym
that take it anyways, but.
I know some people go to the gym
and take it.
OK, if you couldn't lose weight
'cause that's why a lot of
people take it.
Yeah.
Would you take it I.
Don't know.
No, I would say no because I
mean, for me, I know how to lose
weight and you know, like I've
had methods that are extremely
effective, like if I started, if
I wanted to cut, if I wanted to
drop.
Like right now I'm pretty big
for for my size.
Well, it's bulking season.
That's what I consider it called
bowl.
There's cookies.
I'm eating the fucking.
I'm going to Christmas.
Cookies and candies everywhere.
Not the 0 sugar ones either.
Halloween when Halloween starts
to eek up on us.
Yeah, that's a hard one.
I no, it's not hard for me.
I understand that this is what's
happening.
I'm going hard in the paint.
November, October, November,
December, if they're there, I'm
eating them.
It is what it is.
Now come January, February, if I
want, all I gotta do is I just
fast.
If I fast for 45 days, 16 hour,
16 hour regimen, you drop all of
it, you know, So I don't have
that issue.
And I kind of enjoy the stress
that you put on your body 'cause
I'm a masochistic, I guess.
So like, that's not an issue for
me.
Now there are some people that
that struggle on all of it.
They struggle, you know, they
just don't lose the weight
especially women, men, women
struggle the most to lose weight
just because of their body types
and their.
Design As they get older,
hormones stop working and.
They have higher, slows down
estrogen levels, make you retain
fat, all of that stuff, right?
I mean, I'm not a doctor, but
so, you know, I don't have a
problem with it.
It's actually showing
statistically that weight loss
is becoming effective over the
past three or four years.
Like studies are showing that.
And that's if you, if you went
deeper into it, I guarantee you
it'd be because of these drugs,
right?
It's not because of a fucking
sugarless Oreo cookie that's
only 20 calories less.
That's just some BS, some
marketing strategy that.
Right to sell more cookies.
That Nestle or whoever owns
Oreos come across.
Right.
And then to make you feel better
about eating it, I'm I say.
I can eat more of them because
they're sugar.
Free.
I say eat the triple stuff.
Go for it.
You know, maybe.
That's too much.
But make better decisions in
life, you know, like.
Yeah, don't eat so many.
Like if you're gonna, if you're
gonna admit it, if you're gonna
do it, first of all, don't be
delusional about it.
Understand what you're doing.
Oh, I eat them out in the open.
OK, that's good.
You don't.
You don't hide in the closet
with your box of.
Bread.
So I have.
To go out in the garage, don't
anybody come outside.
And we know you're pretty open
and honest with all that.
Stuff.
Dad, why are you taking the milk
out there?
It works as a degreaser.
I'm checking to see if there's a
grizzly bear.
Checking out my cigars.
They're in my office.
I got you one SEC.
Yeah, no.
Well, but not only I'm not even
talking about the aspect of
hiding it from somebody else.
I'm talking about how you
convince yourself that it's OK,
right?
A lot of people do that.
Maybe that's fine.
I'll just, I'll get back on it
tomorrow or whatever the case
may be.
And tomorrow never comes, and
that's just the reality.
So just say, hey, you know what,
I'm going to plump up a little
bit and it is what it is.
And then I'll lose the weight
when I'm ready.
But I think that's the
difference.
So, so I so for me at this
current point in my life, I
would say no, I wouldn't.
I don't need to take that.
Now if I get older and I
struggle to lose the weight or I
can't fast anymore because I'm
mentally unstable or whatever
the case may be, then I I mean,
yeah, I would consider taking
it.
OK, Palmer, would you take it?
Sure, if I could afford it, I'd
take it.
It's expensive.
It is expensive.
Well, they just did the the law
or whatever that slash the
prices.
Yeah, for specific cases.
Yeah, I'm not big enough where a
doctor's going to prescribe it
for me.
Right, you got, you're going to
take it on your own.
Yeah, I mean, my wife lost all
that weight.
She took it, and now she's on
like a maintenance shot or
something.
I mean, it's just a minimal,
minimal amount once a week.
Really.
Yeah, but that's how she lost
all her weight because she had
no metabolism.
Her hormones are all fucked up
from the cancer.
And I mean, she's got cream, she
rubs on her belly, she's got
stuff she's got to put in places
I don't want to know about.
I mean, there's all sorts of
issues going on.
She's trying to live a trying to
live a normal life.
She gives herself a shot in the
stomach.
Yeah, fuck that.
She gets AB6IN it and she gives
it to her in her hip every
Sunday.
Yeah, Nope.
I like glutathione.
I do glutathione shots.
That's in the pee pee.
Definitely not doing the pee pee
either.
Someone someone takes in the
pee.
Pee, let alone anywhere else.
Definitely on the pee pee.
I'll tell you, you want a good
night's sleep.
Don't tell me about the pee pee.
Pee glutathione shot.
It's amazing.
Oh.
I've been sneaking the bathroom
window open just a smidge, and
now it's been cool.
Yeah.
I sleep so much better when it's
colder in the bedroom.
Yeah.
Not telling the wife, she's
like, it's so cold.
Here, that sounds a lot better
than a shot on the pee pee.
It does, doesn't it?
Just cracking the window,
keeping the bathroom door open.
Perfect.
Yeah.
You guys.
I don't think I got up once.
I think I got up only once last
night.
Perfect to pee.
Yeah, well, sure, of course.
Yeah.
Pee.
Yeah, 'cause I'm so thirsty
anymore.
I'm drinking all day long.
Yeah, I'm always thirsty.
I think it's.
Just flaring up or something.
All right, moving on.
Moving on.
All right now, Michael, on to
Cigar News.
Oh excellent boots if you would
hit the Bluetooth button please
over there on the control.
I hit it.
OK, I'm waiting on wow, you hit
it and Connor called.
Weird, that was the wrong.
Yeah, I'm looking for it.
I'm looking for it.
There it is Roadcaster Pro.
I don't know what surface A one
O 5 is, but I can connect to
that too.
It's.
Probably next.
Door you are connected.
Oh, did we tell them that we're
doing this or no?
No, we didn't.
They're not here anyway.
OK, We were supposed to call
them, but I never have that much
advance notice.
Hey, we're going to make a phone
call today.
And there's a 5050 chance that.
Yeah, 5050 chance whether he
will or will not answer the
call.
Answer Coop.
It's not coop.
Oh, I don't have Coop's phone
number.
That would be great if I did
though.
It would, man.
How can we get that?
I can get it.
Well, yeah, let's do it and I'll
call from my phone it.
Doesn't have my number either.
OK.
Do you need to text him Michael
and they'll answer the call?
I messaged him.
Oh, did you?
The person you have called is
not available.
Please leave a message after the
tone.
Damn you.
Justin Hey, Jeff, this is Mike
Palmer and Mike Stephen Kevitch
from A and Boots from Cigar
Hustler Podcast.
We were going to talk to you
about your new cigar, but maybe
next time.
Bye all.
Right.
All right.
So that went well.
That went well.
I think we scheduled that.
OK, well I have something for
you.
Certainly keep your.
Headphones on 'cause I'll, I'll
play it here.
Oh, into the phone.
Jeff who?
Jeff Moutte of the New Riverside
Cigars and his new Anniversary.
Sorry, new anniversary cigar.
It may be swimming.
No, I'm sorry, I overspoke you.
All right, so our good friend
John Mctavish.
The cigar surgeon.
Yes, yes, he he sent me a video.
He was eaten by the bear.
An audio he was eaten by, but
he's been reincarnated.
Oh nice, so upset.
He was the teacher that defended
the children.
That makes sense.
Yeah, that completely makes
sense.
He's such a large, hulking man.
Yeah.
So he wanted to bring up this
valid point and I think it's a
good topic of discussion, so
here it is.
So.
Here's my rant and you can post
this online.
I just want to talk a couple
weeks ago.
You're talking about the VIA.
Hey, new, new lines and vampire
dust or whatever, and the MSRP
and the sizes and all that.
Like, oh, half of us got the
information, rock.
Keep running.
This is exactly the shit.
From the bear.
The coupe was talking about that
no one seems to have paid
attention to is that you as a
retailer have the information,
you have the sizes.
So why for the one?
Guy in the industry who does all
the calling around, does all the
fact checking.
Why is he getting the wrong
information for the
manufacturer?
Why is the manufacturer
misleading media, intentionally
or unintentionally, and a
retailer's getting correct
information?
How does that help the industry?
OK, OK, now you have to explain
because I I had a hard time
hearing him.
OK, so I'm going to elaborate
now.
Elaborate a.
Few weeks ago we were talking
about Viaje's vampire dust and.
The sex tube, right?
I believe that the information
that you were reading off from
half wheel was incorrect,
whether it was the sizes or the
price or something was wrong.
Something was wrong.
Yes.
Yes.
And I said, Oh, well, that's not
right.
'Cause here's my I'm getting it
from half wheel.
Yeah, well, here's my invoice.
It shows me the sizes.
It shows me all those things.
Gotcha.
And one of the things that Coop
always talks about is that, you
know, is that retailers get the
information first before media.
Here's a scenario where media
was given the information, the
information was incorrect, but
the information from the
retailer was correct.
So how do you solve that problem
where the media gets the right
Intel and gets it ahead of the
retailer?
Gotcha.
OK.
So your information was from an
invoice, correct.
So that's from a different,
let's say department of Tatwa,
hey than the media, sorry,
they're all JS so. 1 is a trip
and the other one is a tattoo.
Oh OK, maybe the things changed
from when they did the media
release to when they decided to
ship it.
I mean, maybe they changed the
sizes or stuff or yeah, I mean
you're talking about two
different departments inside the
same company provided the
information to two different.
People, right.
So it's a problem within the
company, right?
OK, I hear that.
So how do you get it right,
Because look, VI is just an
example.
This is a this is an ongoing
issue across the board in the
industry.
Sure.
So how do you fix it?
You don't release the
information until the product
shipped.
I don't know.
Well, that would be one way, but
right, right.
It's still correct.
So somebody's got to somebody's
got to be the guy that checks.
I mean, who, who would that be?
I mean, here we have things in
place.
So that usually doesn't happen,
right.
But it could.
It could.
I think there has been once or
twice or something has changed
or something.
And maybe not releasing
information so fast.
I mean, I I know companies
usually do like these press
releases, right, which comes
straight from the company PR
whoever it is, right, But maybe
they don't, you know, do it at
that point.
Maybe they go because Vitola's
could change, right.
Maybe at that point when they
go, hey, we're going to release
this 5 1/2, but it's really A5.
I don't think so.
It it didn't.
Come in, dude.
It depends on how soon the press
release or how early the press
release is released, right?
I mean, we have a system where
we, you know, this has to
happen, then that happens and
that happens where maybe
everybody doesn't do that.
OK.
Is it that serious of an issue?
I don't think so.
That the media with the press
release was given to the media
and it was wrong and the
retailer got the right Intel.
How big of a deal is it maybe in
regards to the rapper being
wrong or the size being wrong or
the price being wrong?
Is it?
Is it that extreme?
I mean, for some of these guys,
probably because you know, 80%
of their media stuff is that,
you know.
To the media guys, it is.
Right.
OK.
But to the consumer, I don't
know.
I don't think so.
I mean, we've never had anybody
go hey, but the press release
said it was going to be $4.00.
You guys are charging 5.
I've had that.
Oh, have you had that?
Yeah.
I'm sure you get that, but maybe
it wasn't the price that was
off.
Was it our media release and our
price or was it somebody?
Else oh somebody else.
It was something that I was
selling.
They said Oh well it's a bit
this is the price that it says
on half wheel.
I said it's wrong, right?
So you know, like media can go
back and redact or edit.
Sure, half will does it all the
time, right?
Yeah, correct.
I mean, they do that in the news
too.
Regular news.
Right.
Sure.
But do does everybody do it?
I mean, I know half wheel tries
to correct their problems.
I haven't seen anybody else's
where they say last week we said
it was $5.00, but the new
information is that it's $4.
Or just go in and edit and say
update.
You know what I mean, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I just don't like.
Do you think that it's like an
up in arms thing?
I'm I acknowledge the
manufacturer or the brand owner
has made a mistake.
OK, I get it.
Which happens.
Yeah.
And it happens.
It probably happens more than it
should in this industry.
OK, OK.
For one, is it that big of a
deal?
And for two like once it's
fixed, it's fixed, right?
Does it does that change
anything?
I don't.
I don't.
Think so.
I think it's a bigger deal to
the media person than the ACT
than to the consumer or even to
the retailer.
Yeah, I think it's a bigger deal
releasing the information to the
retailer first without trying to
get it to media first.
Well, but but really what they
released to you was an invoice.
It's not like they sent you, you
know, an amended press release
going coop was wrong.
This is what it really.
Is no, they emailed.
Well, what they did was they
emailed me.
But did they e-mail you like a
correction or e-mail you the
invoice and it just happened to
say on the invoice what the
information was?
If you emails you, hey, this is
what it is, here's your stuff.
Do you want it?
Yes or no?
Oh, and so the correction was in
that, not the actual invoice.
I'm assuming that it was in
that, but I didn't pick up on
one thing being wrong the other
until you read the article to
me.
Gotcha.
I was like, Oh well, that's not
right.
So that makes sense.
So then that mistake was carried
over.
Whatever They sent you, the
exact same thing they sent the
media.
I don't think so.
Or it could have been somebody
in the media just misprinted.
Could just be an error, yeah.
I just don't.
For what?
I just don't see it as as big of
a deal as everybody's making it
to.
Be I don't either.
That's that's just it.
I'm I'm just trying to.
And I also think that brand
owner manufacturers need to work
on getting getting it right, you
know, like, hey, just do better.
Yeah, where's the safety net?
Here, but you're entitled to
make a mistake.
I understand we're in this
industry so we see more of this,
but do these kind of problems
you think happen in like the
auto industry?
Of course.
Do you think U.S. news and World
Report gets all up in arms
because the color of the car is
blue, not red?
Because the press release said
it was only going to be.
Blue I I don't ever see that
happening in the car.
You should only make one color
but.
No, I just use it as an example.
Yeah, I understand.
OK.
The tire size was different.
OK.
That's probably more OK.
Yeah, I think also there's more
money in that industry.
You know, like the what's VIVI
has probably got Andre right.
He's probably got maybe, what,
two people here in the States?
Oh I have no idea.
Maybe 3?
I don't know and you know we're
the factories that he works with
to make the cigars, but like 1's
not attached to the other as far
as.
So you think maybe the guy that
does the media pressure releases
also does the invoicing and the
stuff to the customer?
Like, I mean, you handle so much
for Postonia and just post
distribution and you fuck up
stuff all the time.
And I tell you, hey, you fucked
this up, right?
This is not right.
You got to correct this or
whatever the case may be.
You're human and we work on
fixing those things, right?
That's.
I mean, that's it.
Like, OK, so I mean she.
Seems parts of cigar media are
so whiny with this.
Didn't happen.
I didn't get told this, They
didn't.
They didn't send this to me on
time.
Somebody got this and I didn't.
Well, I guess in the be, I mean,
that's all he got.
That's all he has, you know, is
show his 80% of that.
Well, I think that in order to
in order to make sure that you
get things on time or, you know,
in a timely fashion, I think
that you really have to provide
a tremendous amount of value to
this industry.
If you do and and Coop does, I'm
not, you know, I think that a
lot of these.
Guys, I wasn't, I wasn't
pointing him out specifically.
I don't want, I don't want
anybody to think that we're
slamming them.
But like, if you add a lot of
value, then they can't ignore
you, right?
They're doing themselves a
disservice at that point, right?
If they feel that you're not
giving them value, then you have
to show them where you're giving
them value or you have to modify
yourself so that you provide
more value, right?
Right, right.
Sure.
OK.
I mean, that's kind of my case
in point.
So John, thank you so much for
sending that audio.
I don't know where you were
going.
It sounded like up a mountain.
We hope you were found by the by
the Mounties or whoever was
lurking for you while you were
lost out in the.
Wilderness.
What are they called?
They're not called Mounties.
Not anymore, but they were
called Mounties.
They were called.
Mounties.
Yeah, the red jackets and the
hats.
Yeah, there's very few of them
left anymore.
Oh, really?
It's more of a ceremonial.
Maybe he was running away from
the government trying to get his
cigars.
That that couldn't be.
Stop smoking outside, John in
the public.
I mean it.
Had to be very cold.
He's having problems breathing
and talking.
You could hear the wind howling
around him.
A picture in a minute.
Doesn't he live?
You know?
Doesn't.
He live like on top of a
mountain or.
Something trying to talk into
his phone, right?
The helicopter's coming.
They're about to save him,
right?
Before you save me, I have to
get this one thing on tape.
But I send a cigar.
House.
I hope, right?
Yeah, that's awesome.
OK, OK.
Moving on.
All right, say there was no
phone call.
Punch Princess Edition Limitada
2025 lands in Cyprus.
Oh.
I'd like to go to Cyprus.
It's one of the places I'd.
Like what's her name?
Punch Princess Oh princesses.
OK, the second edition edition
Limitada of 2025 is officially
dropped and it's a big one for
Punch fans.
The new Punch Princessa edition
Limitada 2025 to giant box.
There's all these words going
across it.
It's now on shelves across
Cyprus.
It's a 5 3/10 by 52.
That better be correct.
Cigar in the Edmundo size.
Best known for its Monte Cristo
lineup, but this is the first
time Punch has ever used this
vitola.
The release celebrates 185 years
of the Punch brand, so it comes
dressed with a special
anniversary band plus 1/3 band
at the foot.
And there's more.
Abano says the princesa named
name was used long ago for
punch, but not in this size.
Pricing in Cyprus is I don't
have it in freedom of dollars.
I only have it in pounds.
Thank.
God EUR Not going to be wrong
man.
You guys want to guess euros?
Go ahead, Mikey. $18.
In euros, Euros is more than
regular dollars.
Yeah, but it's not an expensive.
Let's go 12. 4995.
Euros.
EUR it's Euros.
The Cypress markets also get an
exclusive 3 count box, 2000 of
them individually numbered
priced at 175 lbs or EUR.
The cigar made its debut in
December 6th event at Lemisol
hosted by Fonseca Taas.
Is that our TAA?
Did they have a branch in
Cyprus?
Tobacco Association of America.
Yeah, In Cyprus that didn't make
sense.
As usual, the addition Oh
Tobacco Association of America
in Cyprus that could be As usual
with addition Limitata releases.
There's no production number
given, but the blend uses
Voltello Abagio.
Voltella Abagio Tobacco age at
least two years, just like every
El.
OK, that sounds so.
Exciting you mean?
LE it says Eli.
Don't know what that should be
limited.
I don't know.
I I looked at that twice.
Princessa.
The Princessa Rebellion, cigars,
ships, the Eddie Hall Beast and
the Screaming Skull.
The Eddie Hall.
The Eddie Hall.
The screaming skull.
It's a cool looking band, yeah.
The Rebellion Cigars has shipped
2 new cigars. 1 is created to
celebrate the company's fifth
year in business, while the
other is branded cigar for
British strongman and popular
YouTube Eddie Hall.
Oh, do you know where that is?
No, I've seen him on strongman
competitions.
Yeah.
Oh well, it's a guy that throws
a lot of things over his head.
I see him doing strongman stuff
and he's from Britain and he's a
British.
He's a British strongman.
The first cigar is a screaming
skull A6 by 56 vitola made with
a Mexican San Andreas wrapper
that has been aged.
Oh.
Yeah, I know this guy is.
Five years over a binder growth
in Indonesia and filler tobaccos
from Honduras and Nicaragua.
It is produced at Table, Calera,
Las Colinas and Donnelly
Honduras.
Each cigar is an MSRP of these
are in freedom dollars.
Gentlemen, Eddie Hall, this is
the Eddie Hall. 16 bucks. 30. 30
yeah, $13.80 really.
And the release consists of a
total of 5000 boxes of 21 cigars
in addition to that.
He's a real person.
The Punch Princess is fake.
Yeah, but that was EUR.
We don't know where that
transfers into freedom money.
That's more.
In addition.
The.
Rebellion.
I don't know.
The Rebellion Cigars has shipped
The Eddie Hall Beast.
This is Eddie Hall's cigar, a 6
by 56 Toro extra size made with
Habano 2000 wrapper, Though the
company is not disclosing which
country the tobacco is from,
We're not telling.
It's 58.30 U.S. dollars for the
Princesa.
Yeah, that's nice.
It's fake persons.
It is made in an OK, we're not
saying what's in it.
We're not saying when we made it
8 cigars in MSRPF.
We're not telling.
But Eddie was around.
Eddie was not there and the
initial production is limited to
500 boxes of 21 cigars.
Just a little bit, not much.
Throughout the 2000 tens, Hall
completed in various strongman
competitions, winning in 2017
World's Strongest Man
Championship.
Can you say the boxes one more
time?
Did you say five 105?
100 boxes of 21 cigars.
There's more than Oh yeah,
3,000,000 subscribers has LED to
other ventures, including 2022
celebrity boxing match with hat
for Julius Bojorzo, A fellow
strongman best known for the
Mountain The Mountain in HBO's
Game of Thrones.
Oh, I fucked like that guy.
In an e-mail, Sean Wilkinson, Co
founder of Rebellion Cigars,
told Half Wheel that both cigars
began shipping to retailers on
December 4th.
That's all he told them he
didn't want to get anything
wrong.
So that's all.
He just kept it simple.
Kept it simple.
Shipping December 4th.
OK.
All right, Aladino, Year of the
Horse 2026 Limited Edition goes
on sale.
Oh.
Add JRE Tobacco Company to the
list of companies making cigars
for the Chinese Zodiac calendar.
For the first time in its
history, the company has created
a cigar that honors the symbol
of the Chinese Zodiac calendar.
The Aladino Year of the Horse
2026 Limited editions at 6 by 54
Torpedo that is made of Honduran
tobaccos grown by the Arroyo
family.
Eat cigars at MSRP of freedom of
dollars.
Gentlemen, this is Year of the
Horse. 20 bucks.
By Aladino. 40.
Could be underfilled, allegedly.
$40. 40 dollars, $19.40 There
you go.
I'm glad he doesn't work for
marketing department at this
pricing, which works out to
$380.00 for a box to 20.
Production is limited to 600
boxes of 20 cigars.
That's 600 boots of 20 cigars.
Perfect.
The cigar is already on sale in
Asia via Time Cigar.
Oh great.
JRE says it is an Asian
exclusive and will not be sold
in the US.
Oh, so you can't get it?
You can't.
Get it here.
Chinese New Year takes place on
February 17th, 2026, which will
ring in the Year of the Horse.
You know, this is the first time
in like 20-3 years I'm not
affected by Chinese New Year
Closings of any kind.
Wow.
And I went to how do?
You feel.
I don't have relieved.
I don't know, I'm still going to
have Chinese food.
Hushto ERA, founder of JRE
Tobacco and Michael's friend is
a horse.
Oh, founder of the JRE Tobacco
Company is a horse, that's why.
Wait in the year of Norway.
Hushto ERA, founder of JRE
Tobacco Company is a horse.
That's what it says.
OK, hey, we just get this, these
facts straight from the people.
Yeah, we don't know if this is
the one set by the shipper or
sent by the media department.
We don't.
The company says that a Chinese
word for OK, they put a Chinese
symbol in here.
How do you read that?
I don't know.
You're Chinese, Yeah.
The company says that Shing
Chang, a Chinese word for for
just appears on the packaging.
Baccarat, Davidoff, Ellie Blue,
JRE Tobacco, La Galleria,
Myaselva, Leva, Placencia St.,
DuPont, Vegafena and Villager
have all announced you're the
horse themed products and being
sued by Nope they didn't say
anything they say.
They don't have the horse, they
don't have the dragon, other.
Companies change.
They make great.
Other companies like the to
announce year, the horse
products, the head of Chinese
New Year, which takes place as
we said February 17th, 26th.
Oh my love.
All right Cigar Rights of
America is releasing their
Winter 2025 Freedom Sampler.
CRN.
So this is the one.
Everybody donates cigars and
then they sell them and then how
does it work?
Does the retailer pay them money
off the sale of the thing or you
just pay wholesale based on free
cigars that they got from
somebody else?
How does that work?
I think that I don't think that
you get to Keystone or anything.
I think that whatever the cost
is, you have to just transition
it over.
To the So it's a lose lose for
you.
I think so.
I think so.
I haven't done it in forever.
Yeah, and there's somebody else
who does this too.
I think 11 works different than
the other.
Fuente does something like that
too.
As the year comes to a glow,
Cigar Rights of America has
released its newest Freedom
Sampler, which is used to help
fund its operations,
specifically protecting premium
cigar freedoms at the local,
state, federal and international
levels.
Butch, can you look up and see
how much money CRA made?
Well, we talked about, we talked
about CAA.
It's the same thing.
No, this is CRA completely
different.
C Are you sure?
Yes, the CRA and the CAA were
the same.
CAA is Cigar Association of
America.
CRA is Cigar Rights of America.
So that yeah, they're.
Completely different.
Really.
And it was also the IPCPR.
PCA.
Which is now PCA because
everybody else had three
letters, they had to have 3
letters.
The Freedom sample contains 10
cigars which come from 10
different cigar companies, most
of which serve on the CR as
board.
So if you're on the board, you
got to give them cigars.
The companies donated cigars to
CRA, which are then placed into
a custom Bovida bag and sold the
stores.
While a little money is spent
for the logistics of these
samplers, the vast majority of
the revenue from the wholesale
sales of the package goes to the
CR as budget, which funds the
organization's lobbyist and
outreach program.
OK.
So they take they make money off
the wholesale?
Correct.
Well, they didn't pay for any of
the cigars.
Well, right, they spend a little
money for the logistics, which
will be the shipping, I'm
guessing.
Yeah.
OK.
Do they ask you if you want them
or do they just send them to
you?
Oh, you have to buy them.
No, no.
What?
They send them to you and charge
you.
Sorry, I mean who calls you from
this?
To ask who?
Oh, you had to ask.
I think so 'cause no, I don't
think anybody has contacted us.
So it's not like anybody calls
you and goes not anymore.
We got these cigars, how many
would you like?
Yeah, I think you got to go out
of your way all.
Right, in 2024, the CR as
revenue was 2,188,000.
That's kind of low considering
all the other three letter
organizations.
They're expenses.
They made 2 million.
No, no, no.
No.
Oh, that's before I.
Think their total expenses,
regular revenue is 1.7 million,
right, Their total assets is 2.5
million.
What would their assets be?
A office building or something?
Maybe.
Tobacco property.
Yeah.
I mean, they could have.
They could have investments.
They have one person's salary on
Here is Michael Copperman,
Legislative Director 221,000 and
then total grants and
contributions 2.0 million 2
million program services 71,000
and income or investment income
and dividends 77,000.
So out of there a little over
$2,000,000 in revenue,
$2,000,000 of that is grants.
Yep.
Wow.
Well, and I'm sure their total
expenses has to do with salaries
as well, right?
Well, that guy's salary's got to
be in the expenses.
Yeah.
OK, there's an Ashton VSG,
Bellicoso, Fuente Fuente, Opus
Oro Rosado, Squirrel Reserva.
There's these long names.
Diamond Crown, Maximus Lafleur,
Dominicana.
Full.
It's Father Garcia.
Leave me.
The Twilight Pumpkin 1 The
Coroho's in.
There Lacencia 60, I think it's
like a smash pumpkin Coro.
That I've always seen.
What?
Most of these cigars are like
the same ones I've always seen.
Them, yeah.
Is there a pajone black in
there?
Yeah, there was.
OK Yeah, well, many of the
cigars are available outside of
the sample.
There are a couple of new
additions.
Tatwa Hey is continuing its year
featuring Nicaraguan grown
Carrojo rappers by including a
new variant of its smashed
pumpkin.
And but we have a Smashing
Pumpkins event.
Why don't we ever have Tatwa Hey
with their Smashing Pumpkin
cigar?
That's a great idea.
Write that down.
Write that down, Keanu.
Write that down please.
He said he's writing it down.
Which was also included in the
Company Saints and Sinners
member package this year.
The smashed Pumpkins has made
several appearances in CRA
Freedom samplers in recent
years, including the Smash
Pumpkin Kappa Especial Freedom
Sampler which used in Ecuador
and Sumatra wrapper previous
blah blah blah blah blah, that
was Shaggy pumpkin.
A lot of pumpkins, Well, not a
new line, blah blah blah.
Can we Fast forward?
Is that possible?
There's a lot about the cigars
falls between the series closer
reserve up pricing is $250 per
sampler with a total of 5000
samples produced.
They've just begun shipping to
retailers.
OK, All right, gentlemen, now
ready for the industry's
favorite game.
What's the score?
Perfect.
Today's cigars from October
28th, 2021 and reviewed by
Charlie Minato.
This cigar was chosen by our
friend Paul Corlson, who was
here today.
Before you get into that, I just
want you guys to know that I did
post on in our comments section
on YouTube voting question.
Who do you think should buy
Warner Brothers?
So go ahead and click on that
for us and and tell me if it
should be Netflix, Paramount,
someone else or no one.
Are there multiple choice
answers?
Those are the four options.
Oh.
OK, it's a poll.
Yes.
Excellent poll.
I like when you use the polls.
Yes, all right.
This cigar is, like I said,
reviewed by Charlie Minato.
It's a Howard G, Howard G Black
Moses Maduro.
We've never done a Howard G
cigar.
Before now, when was this done?
20/21 It is the only Howard G on
the list.
OK, so I'll just go first, then
let's get a chance to win 86.
That's a good number.
It's like I've done this before.
Did he say a number 85?
Oh, there it is.
Howard G Black, Moses Maduro
from undisclosed country.
From an undisclosed factory.
From an undisclosed wrapper From
an undisclosed, undisclosed
binder filler.
Esther Lee and Halapa.
Got it. 6 and an 8 by 58.
Perfecto $15.
They reviewed 3 cigars. 84. 85.
For a cigar that shows up as the
wrong blend, the Black Moses
Maduro makes one heck of a first
visual impression.
The dark purplish wrapper, sharp
box press, dual tapers and cedar
sleeve give it a boutique look
that grabs your attention before
you even light it.
The pre light experience is
surprisingly rich. 2 barnyard,
licorice, cedar brownies, even a
little Raspberry sweetness off
the foot.
It's a reminder that Howard G
knows how to create a cigar with
personality right from the jump.
It's loud and positive, like it
shirts. 86. 86, he says. 87.
Next clue?
One thing the cigar absolutely
nails his complexity on the
retro.
Even when the pallet leans
toasty, the retro pulls out
wheat bread, creaminess, herbal
notes, rubber and later even
some oak that finally takes the
lead.
That kind of layered retro hail
is is impressive and it shows.
There is real depth of the in
the blend.
When the cigar opens up, you can
see flashes of what it's what
it's capable of. 88. 87.
The final third is easily the
highlight of the experience.
The creaminess finally shows up
to stay.
The honey note is a welcome
surprise, and the metallic edge
from earlier completely settles
down.
You get sweetness, some herbal
flavors, and a more balanced
finish.
Overall.
It's the point of the cigar
where everything feels more
controlled and intentional,
almost like the blend finally
hits its stride and shows you
what it was aiming for.
Oh wait, that was the that was
the final thought.
Oh.
That's the end 88. 89. 808080.
After all that.
Wow, you still lost.
And then fucking lose.
That was fucking crazy in 80. 80
OK did a little experiment here.
Yeah, you smoked it.
No, I chose only positive
comments.
OK, so we both went up.
So you both went up.
Yeah, right.
And he still lost.
And he still lost.
I mean, it sounded like a great
cigar from Charlie.
It did from all the good stuff.
I've smoked it, it's a good
cigar.
There was a lot of good stuff in
it.
It was kind of weird, but I was
reading.
I'm like, oh, I'm only picking
the good stuff, let's see what
happens.
Thanks.
Thanks for staying bagging us.
It's OK, You can fix it up all
you want.
Look, I don't get to play.
I can have some fun sometimes I
can.
I can make you guys dance, do
anything I want, all.
Right.
We have some news about the dab
it off, but we will.
What we'll do is since we're at
the hour, we will talk about it
tomorrow and we'll release that
the following day.
Stay tuned tomorrow.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
All right guys, in episode 427,
we'll talk to you tomorrow all.
Right.
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Show Notes
top stories of the day are
Tanzania is rolling out heavy police presence ahead of Independence Day festivities, a grizzly bear attack on a group of kids is making national headlines, and Oreo is trying to clean up its act with a new “healthy” option. Over in the cigar world, the Punch Princesas are landing in Cyprus, Rebellion is shipping out The Beast and Screaming Skull, and Aladino might be beating a dead horse with its latest move. The CRA Winter Sampler is dropping just in time for the season—and of course, we wrap it all up with a quick What’s the Score!