ACHP 432 Its Gonna Be Close!
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This is episode 432.
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So how did Mr. Carney do
yesterday?
How was the show?
I think, listen, he's great.
You know, he handles himself
well.
He's got some knowledge.
He's got a perspective that's
that's not in tune with ours to
everything, which is fantastic.
You know, it it, I think it went
extremely well.
I think it went.
He is a little long winded
sometimes.
Yes, but at least he didn't he
wasn't the department of the
redundancy department this time.
Oh, that's good.
You know, he didn't say things,
right?
Just to reiterate.
Yeah, you, you just said that.
You know that didn't happen.
So oh, that's good.
Yeah, maybe he's warm.
Did you tell him we're going to
come over for the for the fire
pit?
He would love that.
He would love that.
I'm sure they would love to have
somebody else to talk to.
Hey, just just him and Mike
sitting there making bone tallow
or whatever they were doing.
We could, we could carry that
show for them.
Oh, yeah, sure.
All right, now on today's show,
and nobody want to work.
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Then in cigars, someone finally
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JC Newman plans a California
vacation, and we have the best
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Then we roll into a special.
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there are special Hanukkah
cigars?
I look like they're kosher
related cigars.
There are a couple of kosher
cigars and other ones.
We have the best 5.
Yeah, I've seen them in the in a
long time ago.
I saw them.
Oh, I was.
I was not aware I stumbled
across that story today.
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All right, now, all the
information you need to know for
Thursday, December 18th, 2025.
The delayed jobs report is
finally here.
It's not great.
At 4.6%, unemployment is the
highest it's been since 2021.
Just tell me I can't hear you.
Oh, yeah, I know.
Oh, it's out.
It was raining alright.
Do we need to stop?
No.
Keep going now.
Economic data sends mixed and
worrying signals.
The latest jobs and retail
reports suggest the US economy
may be losing momentum.
In November, employers added
64,000 jobs, but October
payrolls were revised sharply
lower, showing loss of 105,000
jobs.
At the same time, the
unemployment rate climbed to
4.6%, its highest level since
2021.
Retail sales also stalled in
October, showing little overall
growth.
A major reason for the week job
numbers was government layoffs.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics
reports that about 160,000
federal workers were cut from
payrolls in October.
Over the past two months, the
private sector added 121,000
jobs, mostly in healthcare and
education, while manufacturing
employment fell to its lowest
level since 2022.
This is all very confusing.
It's a very turbulent time, This
is what's going on.
Something's up, somethings are
down.
The government's laying people
off, but the private sector is
hiring more than people.
But it doesn't equal out, so
we're still losing jobs.
Yeah.
So the theory is that it's
called AK shaped economy, right?
So the AK shaped economy,
forgive me if I screw this up
because I'm not an economist.
That means that higher income
individuals are still doing
well, right?
Right.
However, lower income
individuals are it's going
they're they're tanking, they're
losing their jobs and then all
these other things.
So I want to, I think lower
income, I think that's more
middle class, right?
So you're, I think that you're
experiencing that.
And I can tell you from the data
that what we've been tracking as
far as stores concerned, like we
have had a few solid weeks and
then we had a week just went and
just tanked.
So there's, there's an extreme
amount of inconsistency in the
marketplace right now.
And, you know, if you're a small
business, you have to work, you
have to work 10 times harder
than than you did in the past to
sustain or even grow a little
bit.
You know, that's, that's just a
reality.
That's, that's, that's the world
that we're currently living in
it just like anything else does.
Does the cycle come to an end?
Yes, but only the strong that
we're there will survive.
And some of these other ones
will fade out.
We saw that we saw a lot of
retailers starting to to go away
early on in the in this year.
You know, and I think that
that's going to kind of continue
to happen going into the
beginning of next year.
I think that if they hold tight
and if they, if they're, they
continue to work hard, a lot of
them should be OK.
You know, it's not like no one's
coming into the store anymore,
right?
You know, but but you have to
continue to reinvent yourself.
You have to continue to work
hard and and do what you can and
provide great customer service
and take care of your customers
in order.
To yeah, as, as I'm out and
about, there are many stores
that are saying they're doing
well.
And as you're there at the
store, you see a lot of people
coming in, a lot of people
buying stuff, and you go to some
other stores and it's a ghost
town.
Nobody shows up for the entire
time you're there.
It's so random by how they do
it.
Yeah, I, I, you know, I think
that that's kind of a testament
of the location and then the the
amount of effort and time that a
lot of the retailers are putting
into continuing that growth.
Your customer doesn't isn't
going to stick around if if they
don't feel welcomed at at this
point, there are many other
options and they're not buying
as hard as they once were.
That's more your middle class
guy, like your high end guy,
your.
Opus Ex.
Yeah, they're they're still.
Yeah, your opus ex guy.
You're, you know, you're,
you're, you're expensive
patrones.
Sorry, I had a brain fart there.
Your Patrone guy, they're still
there, they're still in
existence.
But your middle class guy, the
guy that really, that really
sustains your business for a lot
of these retailers, they're
buying less and it's it's
showing.
It's it's 100% showing.
And the, the job loss thing
makes sense to me.
So hang in there.
It's not the end of the world.
If you work hard, you'll get
through it.
And you know, happier days, I
feel like they're not that far
away.
So keep doing what you're doing
to all the story, to all the
retailers right there.
All right.
Adding to the uncertainty, the
Fed Chair Jerome Powell recently
said job growth since April may
have been overstated by up to
60,000 jobs per month.
Because of this, expectations of
for the interest rate cut next
month remains low at about 24%.
Retail spending tells a mixed
story.
While most retail categories saw
small gains, spending is being
driven mainly by wealthier
consumers while lower income
households continue to feel
squeezed by the rising cost.
Somebody just said, I just heard
that somewhere.
I mean, it's weird.
It's like as if I'm living it.
I don't, you know what I mean.
I don't need an economist to
tell me that.
I I We see that every day.
All the time.
Here the scary part to me is
that cigars are really kind of
in, in the front like a, a
cutting edge way, like a, a
indicator to let you know where
the economy is.
Like when 2020 hit, everybody
was buying cigars.
When everybody was stuck at
home, you got these stimulus
checks.
Everybody had a surplus of cash,
you know, it was great.
It was crazy.
Solemn like crazy.
Now, a lot of those guys, a lot
of them have faded back.
A lot of them they're, you know,
they're, they're feeling the
pinch and they're not buying as
much.
And a lot of those guys, if a,
if a regular consumer buys a box
of cigars, that box of cigars
could last them months, right?
They may smoke one every couple
of days or maybe 2 on the
weekend or something like that.
You know, your your true cigar
guy that smokes at least one a
day.
They're a little few and far
between.
And those guys, they probably
are consuming less.
They're not smoking as often,
right?
You know, so or they have so
many of them that they bought in
the past that they're starting
to.
Smoke it through their stock.
Yeah, hey, I can just smoke
through this and not spend the
money on it, you know, so.
All right, bottom line, the
economy isn't collapsing, but
the cracks are become harder to
ignore.
That's very true.
That's very true.
All right now, next we have the
best U.S. cities for Christmas.
In 2025, Christmas in United
States looks a little different
depending on where you are, and
in 2025, some cities are going
bigger than ever.
Wallet Hub Analyze holiday
tradition, shopping,
decorations, events and overall
Christmas spirit to determine
which cities truly embrace the
season.
Here's why these 10 cities stood
out.
You.
I guess any of them.
I'm starting with 10 and going
up to 1.
OK.
Starting with 10 and going up to
1.
Just do.
Let's do two or three at a time.
Otherwise I got to scroll back
on board back and forth back
and.
Forth, can you run to the top
five?
Yeah, hold on.
We'll skip this.
We'll skip five of them.
We'll go to the top five. 2/3 I
don't know what number this is,
but OK, we're starting with this
one, OK?
I'm going to.
It's either four or five.
All right.
Do you want to guess first boots
now that you're you've joined?
Us Are we guessing the.
Top five.
The top five?
Or are we guessing what 4 or 5
is?
Top five.
Yeah.
Oh, OK.
Just give me one from the top
five.
New York.
Which New York?
Is New York City sorry?
So Manhattan.
Well, these are cities.
Oh, New York.
They wouldn't group it as New
York City.
I think they would, they would
say group it as New York City.
Yeah, OK.
I was.
I was going to say the same
thing I was going to say.
Manhattan, the New York City was
#10.
OK, really wow with the big tree
and everything.
Yep, I guess it's not that much.
Isn't there like a place in
Georgia called like Germany,
Georgia or something?
No, it's Helen.
Helena, GA Helena, GA.
That's not right.
You have the right state, but
not the right city.
It'd probably be Atlanta.
Atlanta's the number one.
Atlanta's number one.
Atlanta's number one.
Really.
Right.
So you already found #1 Orlando
is number 5.
Driven by its massive theme park
Christmas celebrations, few
cities can match the scale,
production value and nonstop
holiday entertainment found
there.
Las Vegas is number 4th place by
turning Christmas into a
spectacle, lavish hotel display,
seasonal shows and over the top
decorations that fit the city's
larger than life reputation #3
Is Seattle really Seattle comes
in at #3.
With its cozy winter atmosphere,
Christmas markets, and strong
emphasis on seasonal events and
local traditions, cozy #2 you
would have never have gotten #2.
Albuquerque.
Pittsburgh.
Who wants to go to?
You know, I believe, you know
what?
I believe that because we went
to Pittsburgh.
Oh yeah, we did.
And everybody was so nice there,
you know what I mean?
So it's got to, it's got to have
a feel good kind of atmosphere
when it comes to.
That's exactly what it says.
Pittsburgh takes second place
thanks to its deep rooted
holiday tradition, strong
community involvement and high
number of Christmas themed
attractions per capita.
And Atlanta claims the top spot
in 2025 with mild weather,
extensive holiday events, strong
retail offerings and a
widespread community
participation.
Atlanta checks every box for
Christmas spirit, making it
America's most festive city this
year.
Really.
OK, not even Christmas, Florida,
huh?
Not even no.
The only only people that go
there is people want to get
their cards stamped.
We were in Christmas.
That's on my Glover agreement.
Look at that.
OK, so would you go to Las Vegas
for Christmas?
No, you don't think of that, do
you?
But if you fuck the way they
describe it though, with the
lavish over the top decorations
and stuff, every hotel lobby's
probably got fake snow falling
from the ceiling.
You know, Vegas style.
Yeah, it might not be that bad.
Compulsive gambling.
I think if you're a degenerate,
you're like, you know where
we're going, honey.
Could be right you.
Know because it's amazing.
Well, you wouldn't take the kids
to Vegas for Christmas.
Of course they would degenerate.
Well, the degenerates would, but
I mean like us, except the boots
with the money makers.
That's probably where they all
go that.
One's going to get us that's in
trouble.
There's somebody like I don't,
I'm not a big.
I bring my.
Home.
I have nothing to do.
Yeah.
I like the buffets.
Like the buffets, right?
You know the big Christmas
buffet do.
They have buffets anymore.
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, they're not
1999.
Unless you go to Circus Circus
and then you don't want to eat
the.
Food.
Is that still there?
Yeah, it's still there.
That's got to be the oldest
hotel.
Nobody's going to buy it.
It's disgusting from whatever.
Blow it up.
Yeah, but they only blow it up
when they're going to build a
new one.
So if somebody buys it, then
they blow it up.
Right.
You don't blow it up and go, who
wants a spot?
You think it's disgusting in
there?
I've seen pictures.
Yeah.
It's pretty, pretty scary.
Is it scary?
Well, it's like it's not, it's
not.
It's like if you go on a Disney
cruise and then you go on like
the Margaritaville, The
Margaritaville.
Thank you.
I couldn't think of that.
Go on the Margaritaville cruise.
OK, if anybody is in Vegas for
Christmas and you can send me,
send us some photos of of.
Circus.
Of what Circus Circus looks like
for Christmas.
I am intrigued to see if they do
anything they dust off the 1980s
Christmas tree.
They have just the blow mold
plastic things that they put up,
the three foot tall Santa,
Frosty, the snowman and the
reindeer.
That would be hilarious.
And they put clown makeup on all
of it.
Yeah, where Santa's cheeks have
been pushed in because his rosy
cheeks now are deflated.
Yeah, I don't want to see the
elaborate one I want.
To see the nice stuff.
I want to see the worst of the
worst guy that kind of just half
assed it.
I bet you it would be crazy if
somebody sends us photos or
whatever and that's just super
elaborate.
Santa's laying down.
He's not even standing up.
It's.
A real Santa.
He's missing an arm Missing.
An arm.
Have you ever seen the outside
of that?
When we've been there?
Of course, yeah, the outside
looks pretty rough.
It's right by SLS, right?
Yeah, it's right by where we
were staying last time.
Yeah, that's.
I'm really surprised New York
was not in the top five.
It was.
It was #10.
No, it was 10.
That's right #10.
Yeah, you would think, well, you
know what, though?
It's kind of funny is we went to
New York.
I don't know.
This is before Teddy, so
probably 7 years ago.
I.
Remember when you went?
Yeah, seven or eight years ago.
You wear that big leather
jacket.
Yeah, and we, we wanted to see
the tree and we saw that it was
busy and.
But I mean, that's kind of
right.
There's not a ton of.
There's the tree and then
there's the ice skating, which
are next to each other if I
remember correctly.
And then what else is there?
There's the FAO Schwarz that
they kind of brought back in,
but it's half assed it's not.
Right, it's do they have the
floor piano?
No, I they might.
I remember going to FAO, the
floor.
Cano.
Yeah, from the piano.
You know, dude, oh the oh,
piano, I thought he said.
I thought he said volcano.
Yeah, the the volcano, the.
Floor volcano like what that?
'D.
Be cool.
I remember going to New York for
like a school trip when I was a
kid and we went to FAO Schwartz
and that place was amazing.
Always back then.
Toys, I mean, I I mean I spent I
was probably I bought something
for myself, right?
That was like a big.
Teddy, a big teddy bear.
No.
It was like an action figure, if
I remember correctly, and it
was, you know, ridiculously
expensive because it was there.
Oh rocket man, from like, Jingle
all the way.
No, it was like AGI Joe or
something.
That's not a real toy.
Now the piano.
Lower your mic a smidge.
Now the piano only only three of
the keys work at the end where
the wire goes in.
It's been all taped back
together and.
Then.
Well, they opened it right up
and, and the FAO Schwarz last
time we were there was right
next to like the NBC where
everybody where they talk and
stuff like that.
And you know, at that time we
were, we always watched it.
It was always playing at the
house.
Now.
Now we've abandoned all regular
broadcasts, television shows.
So yeah, wasn't there FAO
Schwartz in Orlando?
I think there was for a short
time over by Disney somewhere.
Makes sense.
Disney wanted their piece, I'm
sure.
I used to go to the big Toys R
Us in Hong Kong every time I was
there and get the kids this
weird action figure, action
figure line.
I mean, it was something you
couldn't get over.
Here.
So it was fake.
No, no, it was just an Asian
like theme thing or something,
you know that they didn't sell
over here.
All the GI Joes are Asian are
Asian.
Yeah, they're all Asian.
It's called GI Chen.
GI Chen.
Yes.
That makes sense, right?
Yeah.
Cute, bad American.
Yeah, right.
All of them have Kung Fu grip.
It just comes with.
We have that comes with a Tommy.
Kung Fu grip.
It's not like a difference they
all they just call it Chinese
grip.
Tiny grip.
They all have Chinese grip.
This GI Chen, he know like GI
Joe, you know?
Like he destroyed GI Joe.
Well, GI Joe came in a little
box made out of bamboo, so.
Wow, really?
Yeah, like he was a Vietnam
prisoner.
What?
Sounds.
That sounds, yeah, that sounds
around on par.
You know, he's all dunched up
with his arms and legs.
I think he just can't stand up.
Like Rambo, whether he dumped
like the pig shit and stuff into
the pit or whatever.
No, no, no, no.
Big shit.
No, let's be serious.
Mike come.
On a little water dropper.
Right, one big Russian guy is in
the set.
Now they come with bats from
Wuhan.
If not including these cities,
if there could be one city that
you could go to for Christmas,
what would it be?
Or I mean, it could even be a
state I guess.
Doesn't have to be a city.
I would think Gatlinburg would
be nice.
Tennessee, yeah.
You know what's funny is I was
also earmarking Tennessee,
Nashville or something.
Like, that is a little
commercial anymore, but I bet
it's decorated real nice.
Yeah, for the holidays.
I would be OK with the the
commercial ability of it, but I
would want to to happen when
there was snow, you know?
Right.
Yeah, like, because that's
what's always kind of in the
back of my head every year, Like
man, December sucks, dude.
You just constantly going and
going and it's, it's fatiguing
and it's exhausting.
And especially if you're in
retail, you just, you're going
and like, I don't, I'm not
complaining about it 'cause I
feel like I'm just living, you
know, but I feel like I miss
Christmas.
I feel like every year Christmas
gets shorter and I miss it.
And I'm like, man, I really just
want to take the kids.
To a place where they can see.
Even if I drove home afterwards,
you know, just drove up, saw the
snow, they played in it for, you
know, 1/2 hour.
Because they'd be done after
that anyways.
Sure.
And they're like, oh, I'm cold.
Yeah, and then we could just go
home.
It's supposed to be 72 here on
Christmas Day, right?
I mean, it's going to be a
beautiful day, right?
But you know, it would be nice.
A little cold.
I don't need snow, but a little
cold would be nice.
Yeah, I, I don't I we haven't
had a cold Christmas in a while.
10 years.
Yeah, I was thinking about like
that.
There's that Hot Springs place.
They have this hotel where they
incorporate like the Hot
Springs.
You can sit in them and there's
snow all around and everything.
That's cool.
Where's that at?
It's it's the city is called Hot
Springs.
I think it's Colorado.
What state is it in Colorado?
Yeah, I think it's Colorado.
That's kind of far.
It is far.
I did Colorado one year for
Thanksgiving.
It was cold.
Maybe Utah would be cool.
Can't breathe?
No air.
Colorado.
Colorado, Yeah, When I went
there, I went to to Denver, yes.
And then we went did like all
the the gardens and we tried to
go do Pikes Peak and you can't.
I mean just going up it, you
start losing.
Our cabin when we went was so
high you had a hard time
breathing and then the bedroom's
on the 2nd floor so then it gets
thinner and then we in our room
we had bunk beds so I'm on the
top bunk so it couldn't get any
worse for me.
Homer's like this is it.
This is it.
I'm going to die of her in this
bunk bed.
There's actually no oxygen at
all up here.
Oh, my.
And my daughter, she got
altitude sickness.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
That's a thing.
We went because our niece was at
the Air Force Academy there and
that, I mean, that's why they
trained them there, because the
oxygen is so thin and because,
you know, they're in the
airplane.
So right, makes sense it.
Was miserable.
We couldn't wait to get back
down to Denver where they had
air.
We got we got family out in
Minnesota and I'd love to make a
break for that, but like the.
Minnesota.
Oh yeah, but it's like the
Manny.
Yeah, it's like 2°.
Oh, I have been.
There.
Yeah.
That's a little bit cold, maybe
like a North Carolina cold,
yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
There's something, you know,
like upper 20s.
Minnesota, first of all, I've
been there during Christmas.
I know.
That was a horrible place, yeah.
It's a horrible place as.
It's cold.
They plug in the cars up there.
Yeah, they plug in the cars.
I interviewed with Three M,
which is in Minnesota, and they
were telling me how cold it gets
and that they plug in their
Here's where you would plug in
your car when you drive to work.
I'm like, what?
I got to plug in my car.
What do you plug it into?
A little power bank thing so
that your car will start when
you come back out 'cause it's so
cold.
Oh wow.
Yeah, the and they actually,
they have upgraded systems
inside their vehicles up there.
Yeah, it keeps your battery
warm, Yeah.
No shit.
Otherwise your car won't start.
Yep.
Yeah, I literally I, I think.
You're from Florida, like a
residence.
You're like, I got a what?
I ain't doing that.
I don't have an electric car and
I have to charge it.
Oh no, it's not what I'm talking
about, Sir.
Well, it's ridiculous.
Right.
Remember I told you the story
where I went into the hotel to
go check in?
I came back out.
My bottle of water was frozen
already.
Yeah, yeah.
That's.
Inhabitable in the car.
Yeah, I see.
That's just ridiculous.
It's not inhabitable because
people live there.
It's horrible.
It's inhabitable.
People should not live there.
Yeah.
Well, we don't need everybody
here.
We don't need everybody.
Here, I mean, I wouldn't be
against Matt Tai coming down
here.
Oh yeah, he could come down.
And Raul?
And Raul?
Yeah, apparently he had to shave
off his mustache today because
he nicked it while he was
trimming.
Really.
Yep, that was an epic mustache.
Not anymore, all right.
A silent visitor from space,
Silent, silent visitor from
another star system is slipping
through our solar neighborhood
this week and not coming in
quietly.
A rogue comet older than Earth
itself has entered our skies for
a final hunting pass before
disappearing back into the
darkness of the interstellar
space known as Three.
I back slash Atlas.
I don't know how you would say
that the object was only
discovered this summer.
Already racing at impossible
speeds on Friday will pass
within 167,000,000 miles of
Earth just right next door.
This is practically.
Here, close enough for NASA to
lock his telescope into the icy
mass as it drifts past our
planet like a cosmic warning
shot.
Scientists estimate the comet
could be miles wide, a frozen
relic from another solar system.
But it's fading fast, slipping
into the void as if trying to
escape detection.
Astronomers say that this may be
humanity's only chance to see
it, using backyard telescopes
under dark skies.
Wasn't there another satellite,
that meter that came by that
they said Haley's comet or
something?
This last time you're going to
see it in your lifetime or
something?
And then didn't it come back
again like faster than they
thought it would or something?
Pretty much.
Yeah, you got to see it again.
They.
Have no idea what they're.
Doing no, Yeah, they're just
guessing.
They have no idea.
Yeah, no one's going to tell
them they're wrong.
Yeah, right.
I mean, a lot of your space
stuff is kind of to be honest.
A lot of the stories.
You covered the the fact that
the spaceship almost hit.
Almost hit a Chinese satellite,
yeah.
You know, like that.
And now we're back in space.
You said more technology
stories.
Informative Science.
This is informative.
The things passing by the earth.
OK.
Oh, you're so mean.
By the mid twenty 30s it will
vanish beyond our reach, never
to return a stranger from beyond
the stars.
A reminder of how small we are
and proof that the universe
doesn't announce what comes
next.
What if it's those bugs shooting
things at us?
What bugs?
Bugs.
That movie with the.
Bugs Starship Troopers.
Yeah, you know those bugs turn
around, they shoot the bomb out
of their ass.
It's an ugly planet.
It's a bug planet.
It's a.
Bug planet, right?
And all the kids are killing the
bugs in America or on the on
Earth.
Yeah, right.
Well, if it is that, we're
fucked.
No, I think we could beat the
bugs.
You think so?
Sure, why not?
It's a lot of people afraid of
bugs.
We have nukes, and these are big
bugs.
Yeah.
All right, Michael, Cigars.
This is cigars.
OK, Change it to cigars.
Oh yeah.
I'm going to an informative
trending science subject.
I'm looking right now and see if
there's something that you
missed.
Oh, I looked in trending
Science.
It wasn't anything.
At least not last night.
Finally, an Atabi lounge.
United Cigars has selected
Tobacco.
Select Tobacco have announced
the official debut of the Atabi
Lounge at the Blend Bar in
Indianapolis, IN.
Oh, it's cold there.
OK, you can stay with Tyler,
your entire family.
Oh, that's yeah, that'd be
great.
He'd probably.
Love that he's never there so.
Yeah, what's the difference?
And Blend Bar is located just
north of downtown in Annapolis.
It is known for premium cigars
and spirits, as well as a modern
culinary menu of small plate
options.
He.
Lives in Wisconsin.
I thought he lived in
Indianapolis.
No Tyler from Espinosa.
Oh, Tyler from Espinosa, are
you?
Talking about Tyler Jeffrey.
I thought you were talking about
Tyler, The other Tyler.
No, not the other.
Tyler baby Grande.
He lives in Texas.
Did he move back?
No, but he's originally from.
Wisconsin, Yeah.
No, no, this is Tyler from
Espino.
The Tyler.
The Tyler. #1 Tyler Jones.
I know I haven't heard if he got
number one this year.
Nobody's saying anything.
Well, they don't say it anymore
because he's just it.
We normally have heard by now
it's the end of the year.
That's a good question.
I mean, when Jack calls, he's no
longer saying I'm with Espinoza,
Salesman of the Year.
The lounge's ambience includes
Oh, we're on the phone, Sorry,
we'll be.
We're going to find out right
now.
And not we may, we may not
answer.
Not answer.
May not be bothered.
Try Tyler.
I go to the source.
So the man who would get the
award You.
Want to call Tyler?
And Jack's not answering you're.
Calling Tyler would answer.
You're right.
Tyler will answer.
Jack used to be, you know it's
going.
To be so exciting.
Two rings.
Yeah, it used to be two rings.
Jack used to be what we call
him.
Yeah, Jack, two rings now as
Jack, I can't be bothered,
right?
Oh, I thought he answered.
Oh, maybe he's talking to Jack.
I gotta go.
The podcast is going Jack.
'S like no, no answer.
Those guys don't.
Answer those guys we hate.
Them good.
Wow.
Oh.
Boy, what is this phone?
Call.
Yeah.
Hey, you're on the Hey, you're
on the podcast, but I got you on
speakerphone.
What's up, buddy?
What's up?
How are you guys?
Good, man.
Hey, I just had a question.
We haven't heard any
announcements about the Espinoza
cigar Salesman of the Year.
Has that happened?
No, it has not happened yet.
It's not the end of the year
yet.
So, you know, we're we got a
little battle between me and
Richie going.
So we'll see how it.
Ends up Richie Richie.
We could have the new one.
That's not fair.
Richie's got the the Richie's
got the easiest state in in the
US.
Oh yeah.
Look, I don't make the rules,
OK?
You got to pick that up with
Jack.
He needs to be your next phone
call.
He was my first phone call.
He didn't answer.
So how close is he?
How great.
So I'm the secondary guy.
OK, well, it's just listen, it's
just a hierarchy.
What do you want from me?
I got to go to the national.
The guy who would know, right?
You don't know that's true.
That's true, Yeah.
Oh, maybe we get a guy
information.
How are you guys?
Doing good, we're doing good.
So how tight is it?
Do we know how tight this race
is?
I.
Think it's going to come down
pretty, pretty close.
So I mean, it's who knows, OK?
I know what I'm doing and I
think I know what he's doing, so
I'm just doing my thing.
It's frozen up here in beautiful
Indiana.
So it's, yeah, dealing with that
currently.
But OK, outside of that,
everything's good.
Don't forget to ask you and your
family can come stay with them
over.
Christmas.
Well, I love Richie, but I love
you a little bit more, so I
won't be buying a fucking single
thing of Espinoza for the rest
of the month.
I'm my man, not a damn.
I don't care if I need it or
not, it's not happening.
I'll buy January 1st.
You think Tyler smokes short
cigars in Indiana right now?
No, Tyler smokes big cigars.
He smokes big cigars.
I see the photos, yeah.
That is correct.
Perfect.
There you go.
Not a boy.
All right, buddy, We're going to
let you go.
Go sell some cigars.
All right.
Thanks, brother.
Later.
Bye.
All right, bye.
All right.
Tyler Jones, Espinosa cigars
didn't.
Ask him if you could stay with
him over Christmas.
No, I don't.
I don't.
I'm not going.
Oh, you changed your mind that
fast already?
What changed your mind that fast
already?
He said Tennessee.
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far.
It's not that much further.
Yes, it is.
In the hours a little further.
Little to the left, little to
the left.
Tennessee is on the Far East
side.
Yeah, I'm not going there far.
All right, the lounges ambience
includes dark wood finishes,
leather seating and custom
lighting designed to complement
the experience.
The lounge itself will showcase
the brands of selected tobaccos
at The Bay, Byron, Alfonso
Nelson and Bandolero.
In addition, the whole United
Cigar portfolio will be
available at the Blend Bar.
Our goal has always been to
offer our guest an unforgettable
experience.
At Corey Johnson, owner of Blend
Bar, partnering with United
Cigars and honoring the Atebe
name allows us to deepen that
mission.
Atabe.
So it's.
Atabe is how you pronounce it.
I was corrected yesterday when I
not visit your story.
So it's all united.
All united, all united all the
time.
Everything.
And that's it.
Even the red, the red I can say
the red dragon.
Bandoleros is united.
Yeah, I don't think it's all
they carry, but they do carry
all of the United.
That's like their staple, right?
OK.
So they still offer other
products.
Yes, this is just the very first
for the white people, the ADA
Bay Lounge.
Got it.
Got it.
OK, well, that's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's not bad.
How long have they just opened?
They just became an Ada Bay
lounge.
They've been open before, but
they just transitioned over.
Very cool.
Get it in before the end of the
year.
Get the get the discounts when
you want to stock.
Out there you go.
Yeah, during the slow season for
cigar industry, right, so.
Sure.
OK, OK, very nice.
All right, JC Newman goes to
California with hat in hand.
Interesting.
JC Newman secures its place in
California.
The JC Newman company has
officially registered 163 cigars
on California's UTL list, with
another 35 cigars being exempt
due to the wholesale price over
$12.00.
Aren't all our cigars over
$12.00?
No, not retail.
Is there one with the perfecto?
No, you're mixing.
Listen, you're mixing up retail
and wholesale.
Prices.
That's right.
That's right.
It's wholesale pricing.
Sorry.
Yeah, I understand.
OK.
Thanks to these filings, 198 JC
Newman.
Cigars will remain legal for
sale in California despite the
state's new regulatory hurdles
under Assembly Bill 3218.
Fourth generation cigar maker
Drew Newman says that this is
just the latest obstacle in the
family's business has faced.
And it's 130 year history, one
that includes world wars, the
Great Depression, pandemics,
embargoes, tax hikes, smoking
bans, and FDA regulation.
The company chose to air on the
side of caution, registering
nearly every cigar sold in
California to protect retailers
from being stuck with unsellable
inventory.
According to Newman, compliance
is an optional It's how the
family has survived for four
generations.
Still, Newman criticized the UTL
program for the unfair burdening
of cigars.
California charged the same $300
fee per product, whether it's a
small batch handmade cigar or
mass market producing product
selling millions of units.
With more than 6800 applications
already submitted, the state has
collected over $2,000,000 in
fees.
Already.
Already wow far exceeding the
cost of running the program.
JC Newman reaffirms his
commitment to brick and mortar
cigar retailers, emphasizing
quality, integrity and long term
partnerships.
We're in the money.
Bottom line, retailers can count
on JC Newman just as they have
for the past 130 years.
OK, so they drop. 300 * 198 What
is that?
Somebody 190. 8 Sorry. 300,
yeah, they're, Oh no, it's 168
because there's 35 of them that
don't have to be registered.
And it's only 300. 300 per.
So 50, yeah, 50 grand.
That's.
Nothing for.
Them 50 GS, they don't give a
shit.
Yeah, they don't care.
Drew took that out of his
wallet.
But already hit 3 million.
Right, Yeah, two point something
million they've already.
OK.
Racked in.
So what do you do?
You think this is a good move
for JC Newman boots?
I mean if, yeah, if the numbers
are correct at the end there,
the two point whatever million.
Well, the two point whatever
million has nothing to do with.
JC Newman That's not all.
JC Newman.
They paid $50,000.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I don't know what type of
business that they do over
there.
Probably more than 50K easy.
Yeah.
So I mean, yeah, I mean if it's
usually you want it to be, you
know, 30%, you know, this, this
cost.
So they just need to rack in
150K.
They easily do that.
Usually, yeah.
I mean, they're building a
businessman that hotel.
They just broke ground on the
hotel last week that we talked
about a couple weeks ago.
JC Newman.
Yeah, they're building a whole
hotel across the street from the
JC Newman place.
They're redoing an older one,
but it I mean from the picture
looks like they're building it
from scratch almost.
Right.
So what do you think is going to
happen to some of the other
brands?
Oh.
They're going to go what?
Yeah.
What do you think?
Do you think it's a good move to
JC Newman?
What do you think?
Yeah, I mean, $50,000 like we
said is nothing.
As far as the cost is concerned,
yeah, we've kind of determined
that that's a drop in the bucket
for them and they're going to
continue with their sales, but.
And they're the first one,
right?
No, no, it said.
They've collected over
$2,000,000 so other people are
doing it too.
Yeah, but like the whole
complying thing.
Yeah, I mean it.
It sort of sounds like they're.
I have an analogy in my head,
but it's terrible.
So I'm.
Not OK, Let me ask you this.
If the if everybody didn't
comply, right, do you think the
government would have walked it
back, said all right, whatever.
Eventually.
I mean, you think California
will have walked it back if
nobody bought into it?
Yeah, I don't think so.
So that you would just see
retail stores as getting raked
over the coals, fines, arrests,
all of.
It they would do it to, just to
prove a point.
I mean, California's pretty
straight down to everything,
right?
So I no I if nobody did it, they
would still enforce it.
OK.
I think that this is going to
create a big vacuum where all
the legacy brands are going to
be fine in those spots and all
your boutique things are gone.
I'll be right.
You're saying like across the
US?
No, no, just in Cali, just in
California.
It's the only place that's going
on in California.
Do you think that they move it
into other states?
I think it's become a big enough
problem where no, I don't think
they will.
I don't think everybody's as
delusional as California.
No, they have all these other
things now.
I mean, are there in some parts
of California, they're still on
COVID regulations where you got
to be messed up and stuff?
I think maybe.
Wow, that's insane five years
later.
I think so.
Or maybe just the California
people are doing it because
they're just California people.
We did have one guy comment on
our video where he said I hate
what they're doing in California
but that was 1.
Right.
I think a lot of our listeners
or viewers that are in
California feel like that.
Probably because they're cigar
people, right?
They want to still be able to
get their room one O 1's if he
hasn't paid.
And you know their espinosas and
their postanas.
Well, St.
GS going to pay.
Yeah, because Room One O 1's
based out of.
Washington.
Washington.
Yeah, OK, it's interesting.
I you know, I have some thoughts
that that there are ways of
circumventing this rule.
I you know, I've had a.
Couple shops tell me that they
know how to do it.
So yeah, don't worry, we're
still buying.
We figured something out.
But I mean, how many guys think
they figured it out?
Until, you know, Uncle Sam
knocks on the door.
Uncle California.
The guys with the jackets.
Yeah, the guys in the black
jackets and the black ties.
We're taking all yours.
We are.
Here for your sick over us.
Or 300?
Dollars, I mean, I think there's
ways around.
It we need to see your books.
I think there's ways around it.
I'm sure there is, yeah.
I mean, we could ship customers
in California.
No, and not even that.
I think that there's ways to
legitimately.
Well, somebody's asked, would
you guys still ship us in
California?
I'm like until the government
knocks on your door and takes
them from you.
No, I think well like when that
day comes, we'll I'll have a
conversation with that retailer
as to how I think the the right
way to proceed with that would
be just for the record.
Gotcha.
Other other tobacco industries
have done has circumvented stuff
like this before, so OK.
We only had 37 minutes.
Yep.
Wow.
All right.
It's not going to be 60 or 90
minutes.
What should you be smoking for
Hanukkah?
For all our Jewish listeners, we
have the cigars that you can
smoke.
The Schnitzel.
How are all cigars not kosher?
I don't understand that.
Right.
Well, they have to be blessed by
a rabbi, right?
Yes, there are.
There is 2 of the brands are
there's several, there's five I
think listed.
Two of them are listed as
kosher.
One of them states that they
have a rabbi on staff that
watches every aspect of the
production to make sure it meets
all the rules and standards that
are involved to being kosher.
That that just getting paid.
Yeah, the other one just says
they are.
They just say it.
Yeah, I don't know what the rule
I mean.
I thought it was a way they
killed the animals stuff.
I don't know how it works into
things that grow right.
I don't know how this works.
Like Pickles?
Well, Pickles have something
done to them.
So I mean, I could see that
maybe there's certain things you
can't do to it to pickle.
But a cucumber, you know, as
long as it grows out of the
ground, I I don't know how that
works.
OK, let's go read.
Read all.
Right, Hanukkah, also known as
the Festival of Lights, It's a
Jewish holiday that commemorates
the rededication of the Second
Temple in Jerusalem during the
2nd century BCE.
Observed for eight nights
starting on the 25th day of
Kenslev in the Hebrew calendar,
the festival involves lighting
candles and a nine branch
menorah.
As Hanukkah approaches on
December 14th this year, we've
curated a list of kosher cigars
and those with Jewish heritage
for enthusiasts looking to enjoy
and smoke during the
festivities.
Apparently we're we're a day
late.
This happened.
Yeah.
Hanukkah was the other OK Bosner
cigars.
Excellence with kosher
certification This one is
certified kosher.
The kosher cigar line,
introduced in 2013, is
particularly noteworthy.
Supervised by a rabbi throughout
the entire production process,
from leaf selection to
fermentation, these cigars meet
rigorous kosher standards.
Davidoff, A legacy of Jewish
heritage.
Really.
Yes, Zeno Davidoff, born into a
Jewish family of tobacconist in
Kiev, fled to Switzerland due to
political tension and founded
the Epitomus Davidoff brand.
So apparently this one is just
because he's Jewish.
OK.
Torrio Cigars, an Israeli
Israeli connection founder by
founded by Zafi Barzila and his
brother Euro in 2000.
Torio Cigars begins began as an
endeavour to bring Nicaraguan
cigars to the new markets.
League of Fat Bastards.
A story of resilience.
Really.
Adam Levine, the founder of
LFOB, is a descendant of
Holocaust survivors.
His grandfather was saved by
Oscar Schindler.
The famous list.
No kidding.
And I thought that was
interesting too.
Yeah, all right.
Senior Solomon cigars A kosher
staple.
Yep.
But senior Spanish senior Senior
Solomon.
Maybe he's Spanish Jew?
Founded by Gershon aziman and
Don and Kiki Berger right Senior
Solomon cigars is renowned for
its kosher certified that.
Was the one I had back in the
day.
Got you.
And then finally, Marifel behind
the scenes of excellence.
That would make sense.
Yes, for Hanukkah cigars from
the Propriety line, such as La
Estencia Mastranza or the
exclusive Merfell series,
Richard, Mir, Heller and Ernest
offer an unparalleled
experience.
These cigars blend heritage with
innovation, making them a
luxurious addition to any
celebration.
Hanukah is the time for family
reflection and a celebration.
Whether you choose a kosher
certified cigar like Bosner or
Senior Solomon, or heritage rich
options like David Alpha
Merrifield, these selections
offer something special for the
occasion.
So light a candle, pick your
favorite cigar, savor the
flavors of tradition and
craftsmanship this Hanukkah.
OK so so I asked Grok if if all
cigars were considered kosher
and it says no, not all cigars
are considered kosher.
Pure tobacco leaves are
inherently kosher as they are a
plant product with no inherent
cash root issues according to
Jewish dietary laws.
However, many modern cigars may
include additives, flavourings,
humectants or glues that could
potentially contain non kosher
ingredients such as animal
derived glycerin or alcohol
based treatments.
So that's why they have to watch
all the production.
Correct, Correct.
Did you?
I always forget about the secret
sauce.
Everybody has something to spray
with.
Not everybody, but yeah, a lot
of.
I always told everybody.
It's not everybody, OK?
Not everybody has AI said OK.
Some people just have really
good tobacco, OK?
Yeah.
Go on with what you were
talking.
About We have no secret sauce on
ours.
OK?
Roma has no secret sauce, all
right, They just have good
tobacco.
They.
Have great tobacco.
And Skip's now going to weigh
in.
Yeah, yeah, he's going to.
Sure, he's replacing me so it
doesn't matter at this.
Point before you get to the next
story, did you see that Law did
a beautiful post you know,
thanking Davidoff for?
Yes, I did see most of it.
So he talked about like it was
some type of acknowledgement
award from Davidoff, like
appreciation award.
Most miles driven.
No, there's this appreciate of
appreciation for all your hard
work.
OK, Did he get anything?
Piece of paper.
I have to wait.
I didn't watch the entire video.
I did.
OK, well then, probably not.
Probably just a certificate.
I know that.
I think Jack brought him over a
box of cigars.
Oh, Jack Hire.
Yeah, because all he's allowed
to Smokers Zenos.
Oh, it was a Davidoff box.
Oh, there you go then, full of
Zenos, That'd be funny.
So you think that's what he got
was a box of Davidoffs?
One box.
They looked expensive.
How many years has he been
there?
How many years has love been
there 3/4?
I, I, I feel bad.
I don't know.
He looked tired in the video.
He always looks tired.
Yeah, I didn't think that.
Well, well, not when he was here
because he he had a chance to
rest.
But his online stuff, it's
always I'm six hours into my 72
hour drive to get out to, you
know.
It's brutal.
Man, Oh, it's good.
Oh, he does all that.
I don't either.
And married, yeah.
I mean two hours.
It's easy at this point because
this is all she's known, right?
So like my first wife, it wasn't
a problem at all because, well,
no, that was the one that had
the problem because when I
married her, I didn't do all the
traveling and then I started
traveling for work and then
that's where the things sort of
fell apart.
Got it.
Second wife, she came in, the
traveling was all I was doing.
So as I traveled through that
marriage, she, she liked when I
wasn't home, right?
So.
Why?
Why are you home?
Yeah.
Where are you?
Home.
I thought you weren't going to
be out of town.
What happened?
Yeah, I got to get this guy out
of here, right?
Jumping on the back door.
Oh shit, that's funny.
OK, All right, So what's the
next story?
We have What's the score?
There's a theme song now, but he
screwed it up yesterday so.
Oh yeah.
He just did it as a rhyme, it
said in the direction sing to
the tune of Twinkle Twinkle
Little Star.
Oh.
He whistled.
How can he whistle and talk at
the same time?
He didn't talk, He whistled.
You know, like it's twinkle
twinkles.
Would it be the score?
The score.
Got it.
Screwed that up.
Paul, how do you do it?
Yeah, I don't remember the
words.
You didn't have it saved on
there.
No, I didn't save it.
No, it's just for the guest, not
for me.
Oh, oh, jeez.
February 26th, 2022 Reviewed by
Patrick Lagreed.
Oh no, this is what it reads
funny.
February 26th, 2022 Patrick
Lagreed.
Well, it says Patrick Lagreed
Cigars.
OK Costa Rica El Septimo reviews
El Septimo sacred Arts
collection Leonardo da Vinci.
So it's an El Septimo, Sacred
Arts, Leonardo da Vinci, and
Patrick is the reviewer.
OK, I went for it yesterday so.
Who won yesterday?
I did.
Just asking, was it all upset?
El Septimo, Let's Go 75.
It's the El Septimo sacred arts
collection, Leonardo.
Everything sacred in Elsa Timo.
80.
OK, not that it makes a
difference, but this was the
first El Septimo to ever be
reviewed.
All right.
El Septimo's Sacred Arts
Leonardo da Vinci from Costa
Rica Factory El Septimo rapper
Undisclosed Binder undisclosed
Filler Undisclosed Length
Undisclosed No 7 1/2 by 40 It's
a Lancero $20 cigar.
They smoked 3.
How is the length undisclosed?
And then he just said 7 1/2 by
40.
Yeah, I was joking, because
everything else before that was.
Now I'm funny. 75.
I'm still at 80.
Clue number one, flavor,
complexity and transition.
The Leonardo da Vinci delivers
an encouraging journey,
especially early on, with
standout notes of cherry, milk
chocolate, orange peel and that
old fashioned like aroma.
It's just a nondescript smell.
I think this was before Prince
Ababois owned the company.
Oh, he didn't always own it.
I.
Don't think so.
Oh, I think he bought it.
What are you?
Can he name it Leonardo Davinci?
Yeah, I don't think Leonardo's
family has any problems with it.
No, I don't think there's any
left.
He's a figure in history.
The way the profile evolves from
dessert like richness to pepper,
earth and creamy.
Do we?
Did we guess?
On No, this is all still the
same comment.
He interrupt me in the middle.
Oh.
Sorry.
No Face Lake and Roma.
The way the profile evolves from
dessert like richness to pepper
earth and creamy finish keeps
the cigar interesting from start
to finish.
Now I'm done. 75. 85.
Oh, he went up.
Clue number two, overall
construction and field.
The cigar is well rolled with
the flat seams, a clean cap,
consistent firmness, and a
wrapper that shows good oil and
Sheen for most of the smoke.
The burn line stays even and the
draw, particularly on the best
sample, is exactly what you want
from a Lancero style vitola.
Boots. 82. 87.
Clue #3 Consistency issues
between samples Flavor and
combustion vary more than
expected across the three
cigars.
Some samples lean, rich and
layered, while others skew dry
and pepper forward.
Here we go.
And intermittent combustion and
smoke production issues in the
latter half detract from what is
otherwise a refined and
thoughtful blended cigar. 80,
85.
All right, final thought,
gentlemen.
This is where the money becomes
double and all points are final.
The El Septimo Sacred Arts
Collection Leonardo da Vinci
could have given me more of what
the first third of the first
sample gave me.
I have to think this cigar would
have received one of the highest
scores I've ever given a cigar.
I'm still not sure what to make
of it, whether my palate was
just hypersensitive that day or
if that cigar was simply an
outlier among its peers.
Regardless, the process calls
for entirety of all three
samples to be considered, and
while not as great as the one
section, there is still a good
amount of like.
As noted above, the smoky old
fashioned note was a lot more
consistent, as well as a
transition from a sweeter, more
complex first half to a simpler,
more robust profile in the
second third.
I definitely prefer that first
half, but the second-half is
still enjoyable and could be a
good complement to a number of
beverages if that's your thing.
Construction and combustion were
decent but not perfect and
probably cost the cigar a point
or two due to tight draw and
some burn issues in the second
third.
So if you decide to smoke the
cigar, I'd consider giving it a
bit of a dry boxing before
smoking if possible.
Overall, this is enjoyable smoke
and one of the better cigars
I've smoked from the El Septimo
portfolio.
So. 87.
He's very sure of himself.
He just.
Shot up there.
Did you look it up?
No, I'm just.
No, I didn't look it up.
You were sleeping, so you'll
never know I was.
Just closing my eyes, I got like
an eye infection.
Close your eyes, Palmer.
We don't want to.
Catch it.
Got to wear an eye patch.
Wear an eye patch. 87 is a
tough.
I have a lot of pirate jokes.
It's an allergy induced
conjunctivitis.
Still need a eye patch?
That's exactly what Jack Sparrow
said.
Hide the rum.
Hide the Rome.
Do I think it's like what the
parrot said before they put the
I patch on him?
It's what the parrot said for
the put the I patch on the
parrot.
Hide the Rome Do I think it's an
88?
He liked it.
He liked it.
He wanted it to give it better.
I'm gonna go 88.
Wanted to give it better.
I'm gonna go 88 you.
Want to reconsider who won 85?
Twinkle, twinkle sucker.
I was at 85 the whole time.
I know it.
This is the first one I hit on
the head.
No, you said 87.
Don't get excited.
You didn't.
Hit it.
Oh, what was the number?
85.
Oh, I won.
This is the first one I didn't
hit on the head, yeah.
Wow.
Damn.
It and we're not doing the
second one.
Yep, just one.
It's a mini game.
Damn it.
OK.
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