ACHP 459 The Episode When Phil was The Host
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It's Thursday now you know it's
a problem when I'm the host.
Welcome to Cigar Hustlers
Podcast.
Oh, hello.
Phil, hello.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Let's see how you can.
Let's see how well you can
multitask with pushing buttons
and running the teleprompter at
the same time.
Yeah, this is definitely
something that's going to be a
little more challenging, but I
think we can make it happen.
Well, if Boots has taught you
anything as a DJ then you should
be able to do wiki, wiki and all
this other stuff, so yeah.
I'm Winky.
Winky.
Winky Winky.
OK, All right.
Well, here we go.
Yeah.
Welcome to the Cigar House's
podcast, episode 459.
I'm Phil, your host Bing Bong,
and with me is Mikey.
When does Palmer come back?
Step on Kevitch.
Yeah, when does Palmer come
back?
You know, I don't think he's
ever come back.
I think he's still in the
Ireland thing.
You think he's still in Ireland?
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe Mikey K you.
Better sell him some postagna
when he's out there.
Right, right, start up.
All right.
So just want to mention that
Mikey has changed the show's
format.
If you hadn't noticed, we're
trying to keep the show more
conversational and less TV news
style.
Basically Mikey figured Palmer
was getting way more camera time
when he was, so he decided this
way he can monopolize a
conversation and stay on camera
longer.
Right well, here's what we're
going to do.
We're you know, we're going to
have topics we're still going to
discuss these things, but I you
know, having one person just
kind of read it off What happens
is myself and and you, Phil, we
just kind of fade out.
We just we just kind of start
moving on.
We don't really talk about it or
anything like that as he kind of
rattles it on.
So it's better to just kind of
highlight the topic and then
discuss it.
Right.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Yeah, completely agree.
All right, so with that, here is
the show topics for today.
Or Mikey, would you rather read
these?
Not all you do it.
OK, perfect are.
We trying to pitch that, push
that off on me so.
We yeah, that was yeah.
I can't see them.
How would I know?
I don't know.
Well, I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
All right, so on today's show,
Yale is way more affordable than
before.
Ray J won't be too important
much longer.
Some sports stuff and then in
cigars.
Yale is now tuition free for
families earning under 200,000 a
year.
Massive shift that opens the
door for thousands of middle
income.
Did you see that you just kind
of converted over you?
You said a now in cigars and
then he didn't say anything
about cigar news and then he
just jumped into the first
story.
Yeah, there was no, like, pause.
There's nothing.
I didn't even talk about cigar
news at all.
Yeah.
Yeah, Is there no cigar news?
I don't know, but we still have
some topics that we can cover
from yesterday as well that we
didn't get.
To Oh, yeah.
Oh, definitely.
Bill Belichick, Yeah.
Yeah, so.
Well, even cigar stuff.
OK, perfect.
But if you want to like Yale is
they're allowing everybody under
$200,000 to get free tuition
into Yale.
Yeah, yeah.
I have not heard about this.
Yeah, yeah.
And there's something else for
people that are under $100,000
annual income in their home.
Yeah, it says families making
under 100,000 will have the full
cost covered, not just tuition,
but housing, meals and fees.
So it's a true 0 cost.
That's actually that's great.
How do you think it's great?
I mean for, well, OK, let's kind
of think of who's going to Yale.
Yeah.
OK.
Let's think about this for a
second.
Let's think.
Let's think.
If it's great, Let's think.
Right.
I mean, for families that can't
afford for their kid to go to
Yale and they can get in, right.
Yeah.
But I I think isn't Yale like
one of those schools where it's
like a reputation type invite?
Well, it's like an Ivy League.
Yeah, like it is an Ivy League.
Yeah, like people have to
recommend you to go there.
I don't know if that's how it
works.
Oh, I don't know.
I know that it's an Ivy League.
I know it's super expensive.
You know, my question is when it
comes to something like this,
who's going to cover the cost?
Is it, is the cost coming
directly from Yale or is it
coming from some sort of
government aid or, or you know,
is, are any of those things
occurring?
Right?
So because if it's here's I'm
going to tell you my own
experience and here's what I
didn't like when I was in
college.
Now I just, I went to a state
school for briefly for a couple
years and I was working on
getting my BA and in order to
get my BAI had to take one more
class to get it done.
Now I was, you know, my early
20s and I was very poor, you
know, so at that point I was
going through financial aid in
order to cover, in order for
financial aid to take effect for
me to get that one class to get
get my BA, they wanted me to
cover, take on three other
classes.
You had to have a minimum
requirement.
That weren't important at all.
So like that didn't make any
sense.
But in order for them to get
additional funding, that's how
that that would work.
So like, so you know, the system
in some ways kind of inflates
specific things, right, in order
for them to capitalize on.
More, more free money.
Right.
So it, you know, if that's
what's happening here, then
that's a problem.
Now, if Yale is saying, hey,
we're going to cover this out of
pocket, you know, without any
additional aid, any additional
funding, but you know, us, the
organization, the university are
going to pay for it, then great,
that's fantastic.
But if it goes the other way, if
it goes through aid, I don't
know, man.
I think that could be a problem.
Yeah.
And, and you think the the state
government where they're at,
they would cover this or is this
like a boosters type thing?
That's what I'm saying.
We're oh.
We don't know.
OK, Yeah, we're trying to figure
that out.
Yeah, we're trying to figure
that out.
Well, if anybody goes to Yale
and they like to tell us, I
don't think I can get into Yale.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where is Yale?
Let me ask 'cause that you know,
I, I, I picked up on something
as you were, as you were talking
there.
I'm going to probably guess
because a lot of the good Ivy
schools are in the northeast.
OK.
I think you're doing, you're
doing well.
Right, let's do elimination
here.
I'm going to give you 3 guesses.
OK, ready, New Hampshire.
No.
Maine.
Strike two.
And Connecticut.
Oh, he saved himself with the
final call.
What made you pull Connecticut?
Let me ask.
You.
Well, I knew it was in New York
because NYU is in New York and I
couldn't think of any of the
other ones.
Around, so Massachusetts was
just off the table.
Yeah, I yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't
going.
There.
Yeah.
OK.
All right.
OK.
Well, hey, good job.
Look at you.
You could just Hail Mary.
Yep.
And someone caught it.
Aaron Rodgers.
Style.
There you go in the end zone for
the tutty, right?
I thought, I didn't think we
were getting there.
No, I didn't think so either,
but hey, I got it.
Oh God.
Today's a good day.
So more importantly, whether you
love the fact that Yale is
providing aid or not, Phil now
knows the state that Yale is
located.
Connecticut.
Exactly, exactly.
OK.
All right.
So moving on to the next one,
what do we got?
All right.
I should have saved this on my
phone.
So next story After surging the
popularity from his 2007 sex
tape with Kim Kardashian, Ray J
is paying the price.
Yeah.
Ray J revealed that after a
recent hospitalization in Las
Vegas to severe pneumonia and
heart pain, doctors told him his
heart is functioning only about
25% capacity, so it's life
threatening.
Yeah, So, realist, so I'm going
to help you to summarize this
'cause I can't stand that that
you're reading it off of the
prompter and we're going to work
on that.
So Ray J's having he has 25%
heart failure or is his
functioning 25% It's.
Functioning. 25% functioning and
he blames he feels that drug use
and alcohol abuse is the reason
as to why he is.
Yeah, I have.
I have not heard of this story
until, you know, just.
Reading the news until today.
Yeah, until today.
You know who Ray J is?
I do know who Ray J is.
The rapper, Yeah.
What?
What was his?
I don't know.
What was his famous song?
Did they have one?
Well, a lot of people don't
remember him for his favorite
song or his favorite, his Best
Song, but they remember him for
Kim.
They just remember him from Kim
so But but what was Do you know
his song or no, you don't even
know his song.
Connecticut and Now We've Got a
Was Ray J's top hit, though?
You know, I know, I know.
He was a big hit when I was a
teenager because he came out
when I was in high school
because all this stuff came.
Out, man, I don't know who the
hell he is.
Ray J's top hits.
Let's see.
Ray J was he was, he was like a
one or two hit.
Sexy can I?
Oh yeah, sexy can I?
One wish I remember. 1 wish.
Yeah, one wish.
Yeah.
So 2.
So that was it, just the 2.
Yeah, just the 2.
And his sister is Brandy.
No, I did not know that.
I did not know Brandy was his
sister.
Yeah.
OK.
So that makes sense.
Do you know anybody, have you
ever had anybody in your life
with like 20% or 30% heart
functionality?
Yeah, yeah, Yep.
Who?
My buddy Caleb.
OK, and so?
And how's he living?
Man, it's rough.
Like, yeah, he, you know, he
used to be in the gym all the
time and, you know, he, he was,
he was pretty, he was big into,
into.
Fitness, health, Yeah.
So this is new for him.
Yeah, this.
Yeah, probably.
I think 3 years ago is when he
had heart failure and they
actually had to put a
defibrillator in.
Case he has a heart attack.
Yeah, in case, yeah.
Yeah, So.
But now it's like he said,
because he works for Lowe's,
right?
So and he does a lot of walking,
he can only walk like maybe for
5 minutes and he has to go sit
down, you know?
That's crazy.
How old is he?
My age 38.
So he's a young buck.
Yeah, he's young, Yeah.
And he, I mean, and he still
looks like he goes to the gym,
but it's slowly going down.
You can tell, like he's losing
mass, right?
So.
What?
How did that happen for him and
he?
So he actually his his father
has this too.
So I think it's.
Genetic.
Yeah.
So yeah, it just happened out of
nowhere.
And now his cousin it just
happened to, he's in the
hospital actually right now.
So I think it's a family
genetic.
What's his?
Does he have a life expectancy?
Did he tell you?
Hey, well, you know, I'm going
to I'm this is it for me at 45
or whatever.
The doctor did not tell him
anything.
His dad is.
I think he's in his 60s, like
early 60s.
Still alive, still alive, still
running.
Yep, right.
Just has to maybe, maybe do some
lifestyle changes but nothing
crazy.
Yeah, he definitely has to eat
healthier.
Like before he didn't eat as
healthy.
You know, he'd go go to
McDonald's all the time and.
McDonald's.
Yeah, McDonald's, he would eat
like his biggest thing was these
velvet fudge brownies and he
would eat like, you know, 2
containers of these things a
week.
And I told him, I always told
him I was like, dude, like, I
don't know how you eat.
First of all, I don't know how
you still have pictorials and
not a gut by eating these velvet
fudge brownies.
You know what's bad when when
you're giving health advice to
an individual.
Yeah, I just.
Like I just 'cause like if
you're giving me health advice,
I'm like, I don't know, I don't
know, like you got some
concerns.
You know, you know, sometimes I
got a little jealous.
I'm like, damn, if I eat those
things like I gained £50, you
know?
Right.
OK.
So realistically though, I mean
Ray J can still live a a more
like a moderately normal life.
Yeah, I mean.
We think, 'cause I know a guy
that was in his late 60s and
dude, that guy, this is back in
my bar days.
I love this guy.
He was a great person.
He died recently, died a few
years ago.
But he would drink a screw.
You know what a screwdriver is,
right?
Vodka and OJ.
OK, We would put OJ on there
just for like the color.
It would just be all.
And it was absolute vodka.
It was all absolute and just a
splash of OJ, right?
So and this guy lived a pretty,
pretty good life, pretty long
life.
Now as he kind of started to get
towards the end, the doctors
were telling him, hey man, we're
getting close like this is, you
know, things are getting bad,
right you.
Know the book's coming.
And I think he lived about like
another year past that.
But he was a he was a great
dude, but but he had a he had a
long life.
He had a really long life.
So I don't know.
I mean, I just think that like
this.
Does this seem more like a
publicity thing than anything
or?
I think just because he used to
be a somebody and maybe there's
nothing going on in the
celebrity realm right now.
Maybe that's why he surfaced.
And, and if you think about like
Ray J was kind of a pioneer, I
mean, for the, the Kim
Kardashian thing, that was like
the first of the first of the
celebrity stuff, you know, so
maybe I, I, I don't think he's
a, to me, he's a nobody.
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Welcome.
So Ray J, 25% heart.
OK, move on my friend.
Boots OK.
Maybe it could be time zoom for
him, but we'll know.
I don't think it'll.
I think he's going to live a
long life.
How old is he?
Yeah, but if, you know, if he
was doing, do people really stop
doing drugs?
Dude, look at Mick Jagger, bro.
He's he looks like he's still.
Mick Jagger's like 180 years
old.
He is.
He's like a cockroach man.
That guy will not die.
He's.
Not, you know, like the day that
he go Ray J's only 45.
Yeah, well, you know, everybody
thought Ozzy was super old, but
what was he when he died 92?
How old was Ozzy Osbourne?
He wasn't 92. 80s.
How old was Ozzy Osbourne?
I mean like he can't even get
out of the chair anymore. 76.
Wow, yeah, not even in his 80s.
No, but I mean, come on.
Like Jagger's still dancing.
Yeah, Jagger, you know.
Yeah, it was like Jagger you.
Think it's more cocaine than
anything or what?
It's definitely cocaine.
Yeah, yeah, look at his face.
It's not definitely.
It's possibly.
You can't say definitely.
It's how you get a lost.
It's allegedly.
Yeah, the love of God.
Yeah, I like to sue the one with
the bear nose.
Nope, don't have it.
Good luck with that.
Can't get blood from a rock,
right?
OK, All right, so what's the
next article you got, buddy?
All.
Right, the next one is probably
something we're definitely going
to talk about.
The Browns get a new head coach,
Todd Monken.
Yes.
So I have seen this.
OK, this was very recent.
It's like it happened this
morning.
Yeah, I'm, I'm really surprised
of this hire, but I'm not
surprised, OK.
That makes sense.
No, it doesn't.
So please let me.
OK, so I always.
Tell me about The Big Bang
theory.
These teams like to always go
kind of prolific sometimes,
right?
Somebody that's always in the
camera.
Everybody's talking about all
the commentators and stuff.
I've never heard of this guy so
maybe.
He's from Baltimore.
Yeah, but nobody knows that.
OK.
What's?
The guy's name, What's the I
can't even think.
What's the guy's name?
Who coaches Indiana?
Indiana.
Yeah, the Hoosiers, they just
won championship.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
OK, but now he well.
I know he doesn't smile until
that day.
Yeah, no kidding.
Well, he's kind of a well known
name at this point.
Did you know who he was before
that?
No, I still don't know who he
is.
I just know that he wanted to
get a beer afterwards, That's
it.
Realistically, you should know.
I mean, I won't know because I
don't follow the the sport as
hard as you do.
I'm not a money maker, you know.
I mean, I watch the game.
I just don't I, I don't know the
guy's name.
OK, I don't know his name, but
you know, OK.
So you had you still had some
other guys out there though.
Who else?
Who would you who do you think
should have went to Cleveland as
the head coach?
You know, as much as I would
hate to see him go, the
defensive coordinator for the
Dolphins, I think was is a is a
somebody that needs a shot.
I think he's very organized.
I think he's very systematic.
I think he can get the guys to
play for him.
I think that's, you know, that's
a Dan Campbell style.
OK.
But you're already, you're
starting to see that, you know,
more often than not, not a lot
of defensive coordinators really
got are getting head coach jobs
more, more.
You always see it more on the
offensive side.
Whether that's right or wrong,
that's just kind of my
perception is what I've seen
right?
Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of, yeah.
I I don't know what the
requirements are to be a head
coach.
Are you a leader of men?
Yeah, no.
I mean, from what we've seen, to
be a head coach, like you
basically just have to be on the
best team.
And then they go, OK, we're
going to take the wide receiver
coach.
He's going to be our new head
coach.
It's like, what in the world?
But yeah, you know, the Browns
need a shake up, man.
These guys need a shake up.
I mean, they got good players on
paper, but.
Who do they have?
I mean, Miles Garrett, they got
you.
Got one?
That's one.
The running back guy.
A running back guy.
I'm sorry, that's wow, Jerry
Judy's out there.
That's not a running back.
Well, he's a wide receiver.
OK, What I'm just saying.
I mean, they, they got a, they
got some good defensive players,
yeah.
Right.
I mean, you can't even name no.
OK, because they've they've
accomplished nothing.
OK, so.
I'm saying on paper they're
decent.
Are they?
Yeah.
That's like, you know what?
That you sound like a Dolphin
fan.
Dude, on paper we're definitely
they.
Sound like a dolphin fan.
Yeah, man.
I mean, if you look at this, I
mean look, look, right.
I mean, with, you know, the, the
scouting guys are doing their
job, They're getting good
players there.
It's just, I don't know, it's,
it's, it's almost like they're
cursed, like the.
Scouting guys are doing good
jobs by getting players like
Deshaun Watson.
I don't, you know, as a player,
I don't think Deshaun Watson was
a bad player.
I think he did great when he
first came to Houston, right?
OK, but you got him past his
prime with all the allegations
and you paid top dollar for him.
Yeah, I think he's a bad person.
Like like in the regular world?
OK, so is it safe to say that
from a scouting position, would
you pay a premium for a guy who
hasn't really proven anything
and has all of this other off
field BS that he's got to deal
with?
Well, what they were probably
banking on, right, is that
everything would fall through
and he would bounce back.
But this guy definitely has some
type of mental issues to not be
able to bounce back.
OK, but we're not talking about
Deshaun Watson.
We're talking about a scout
going out and acquiring this
guy.
And you're thinking that that
that made sense.
Well.
I'm saying that's probably what
they were thinking, right?
Right.
OK.
So clearly that that didn't
work, right.
So.
Yeah, now that we see you.
So are the scouts or whoever's
acquiring the players that
viable?
I'm instead.
You know that's one.
Yeah, 1.
Thing.
That's one, yeah, but well, but
like that one thing, the cost of
a quarterback can be so
detrimental to a team that it
could set everything in peril
for years.
I think I, to be honest with
you, I think that the pay that
they pay some of these
quarterbacks is just outrageous,
you know, especially when
there's another guy on the team
that's more prolific than them.
Who's like?
Well, well, I mean, you know,
Atlanta when they signed Kirk
Cousins.
I mean, Bajan Robinson is
definitely that team, right?
But they gave all the money to
Kirk when they were drafting
Bajan, not thinking about the
future of Bajan, you know?
That's interesting.
They still didn't make the
playoffs.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, they have no
quarterback.
They have no, they have nothing.
OK.
So the quarterback is more
important than.
The yeah, they they don't really
have wide receiver either.
They really got Drake London.
Yeah, Kyle Pitts, bro, you're
out of your mind.
I think Kyle Pitts is is over.
Over.
OK.
So we so we have some questions
with Cleveland doesn't make it
doesn't make sense necessarily
to be determined.
Yeah, and I and they didn't even
look at Bill.
They didn't look at who.
Bill Belichick.
Belichick's in North Carolina,
isn't he?
Yeah.
But he's not going anywhere.
Would he like to be back in the
NFL?
No, I think he stay won't stay
in North Carolina.
And how about the fact that he
got snubbed for the Hall of
Fame?
Yeah, he did get snubbed for the
Hall of Fame.
If not the greatest coach of all
time, one of the greatest
coaches of all time does not
make the first ballot entry.
I mean if if you're talking
about the greatest coach of all
time based off of.
If you say Don Chula, I swear to
God you say Don Chula.
No, no, I'm just saying, I mean,
he's a great, he's a great coach
too.
But I mean, Belichick's
definitely it because he has the
rings, right?
Yeah, he has the accolades, you
know, so. 99 Super Bowl rings.
Right.
Yeah, You know, Tom Brady's the
same thing.
You know, this guy's got all the
rings, this guy's got all the
accolades.
Like so could he not be the
GOAT?
So how is so?
Is it safe to assume then that
if the one of the greatest
coaches of all time did not make
the Hall of Fame first time
first round ballot, is the
system corrupt?
Yeah. 100% right, Yeah.
OK, so now at least we're
arguing.
If we can argue the fact that
the Hall of Fame portion is
corrupt are we can maybe we can
assume that there's more
corruption in the NFL.
Oh, we first of all, we already
know the NFL is corrupt.
We have seen this.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Yeah, allegedly, but, but yeah.
Yeah, we would just it's a
theory, Yeah.
We can't prove that.
A strong theory A.
Strong theory.
Super strong.
Pretty wild.
Pretty wild.
OK, all right, moving on.
What else you got?
All right, well, we do have some
cigar news.
We do.
We do.
Even though it didn't say it in
the thing.
It did not say it, but we do
have some.
Tell me about another tobacco
tax or something that's going on
in these great states that are
united.
All right, Kentucky Cigar
Barbell returns for 2026
session.
Mm.
Hmm, so this is HB 194.
It was a it was reintroduced
after a similar bill passed the
House last year but died in the
Senate.
Correct.
It's showing there's momentum,
but there's still real
resistance.
OK, so I'm not familiar with
this bill.
Are you?
A little bit.
So pretty much what's happening
is that it died in the Senate
and there's some issues with
city ordinance as far as they
want to have more control as far
as additional licensing and all
these other things which they
are granted.
However, they also want it to be
well defined as far as
specifically just for cigars and
not for anything else.
So if you're a cigar bar and you
want went smoking inside for
cigars, you can't sell vape, you
can't, you know, you can't do
any of the other stuff, No smoke
shop stuff, no head shop stuff,
none of that right.
It's kind of interesting to see
that it died quickly in the
Senate prior to but it passed
the House, you know, with flying
colors.
So they're hoping that these
things get refined like the the
laws of the legislation is a
little bit more clear this time
around, I believe, and that way
it can push through the Senate
as well.
I mean, I don't know how close
it was.
Do you, do you think so you're
basically saying like the
wording was off and.
I just think that there are
specific requirements that are
different with this legislation
from the previous legislation,
right?
So obviously they want a
distinct and clear difference
between permission of vape sales
and head shop paraphernalia,
right, Which I think is fair.
I think, I don't think that
that's, you know, an extreme
measure, you know, decide which
one if you're one or the other,
right.
What is the?
What is the distinction
difference?
Well, one's cigars, the other
one is glass or vape.
So if you had, do a lot of cigar
shops carry glass?
Yeah.
I mean, we started off as both.
Well, no, I know you guys did,
but that's because I think
originally right this, that's
what this was well.
It wasn't going to be a cigar
store at all.
Yeah.
Right, so I didn't I I wasn't
Privy to a lot of cigar shops
carrying both.
Yeah, I it exists more than you
think, you know, but you know.
But I mean that.
But that's a pretty easy
distinction, right?
Like, hey, you have glass in
here, you're not a cigar shop.
Yeah, I mean, right.
If if that's how Kentucky wants
to, you know, make make the
terminology, then that's fine.
Is it going to, is it more
challenging for some businesses
because of that?
Yeah, I think it will be.
I will tell you right now that
this store would not have
survived and made it through its
first few years without having
multiple streams of revenue from
different sources.
So the head shop piece was nice,
you know?
Yeah, it, it did.
It carried us forward, you know,
and it's not like we're located
downtown Orlando, you know what
I mean?
Or like we're in your, your, the
suburbs of, you know, your
middle class individuals where
you know, and not everybody's
coming out on a Friday night.
People are going home sometimes,
right?
So figuring out ways to sustain
and kind of grow your business
is always a challenge, so.
Do you think this will close
some businesses in Kentucky if
it does get?
Back no, it's not.
It's not supposed to close or
affect the opening the business
that are there.
What it's going to do is it's
going to allow businesses that
are distinctly cigar based to be
smoker friendly at only, right,
which could be progressed
throughout the entire nation
because we need a proper
definition to separate cigars
from everything else, right?
Because right now we get lumped
into everything and it's super
bad, super bad for for our
industry.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no definition.
Right.
It's just tobacco.
It's like, no, but it's we're
not the same.
Definitely not the same, no,
right?
OK, let me see.
Let me hear you screw up another
one.
All right, here we go.
Natura Cigars is officially
entering the US big leagues.
They've announced City of Palm
Distribution as its new American
distributor, a major step for
the young Dominican brand with
serious momentum.
Founded in 2020 by Jacob
Yifrock, Natura grows tobacco in
Constanza, Dominican Republic, a
high elevation, cooler climate
region that allows for longer
growing seasons and uniquely
preserve sugars and oils.
With City of Palms now handling
US distribution, a company
representing nearly two dozen
brands, Natura's positioning
itself for rapid growth and
broader global reach.
OK.
I've heard of City of Palms,
yes.
Well, we've mentioned them 100
times at this point on the on
the show, right?
Yeah, I have not heard of Natura
Natura.
Me neither.
Yeah, so it's a, the newer brand
is up and coming and they're
trying to ride City of Palms to
help them get bigger.
Is that that's what you think
the theory is?
That's what I think the theory.
Is OK.
But again, who is City of Palms?
What's that?
Who is City of Palms?
They're a distributor.
They, they have a handful of
brands.
They have like probably at this
point 15 to 20, I think.
Did you already say that or no?
It just said two dozen.
OK, yeah.
So you know, here's the problem
with that 'cause I'm a
distributor as well, right?
We distribute to Cindy Zaffina,
we distribute FQ cigars, we
distribute Shogwi Phosphoro.
And here's what I'm going to
tell you as a salesperson, I, we
also represent Postonia, right?
And Postonia is our primary as a
person that has three or four
other brands in your portfolio,
the other brands aren't, aren't
your main focal point, right,
right, Yeah, yeah, your main
focal point is your primary
which for us post Anya.
So we introduce these other
brands.
But if these other brands don't
have support on their own and a
face and you know, the willing
to connect with retailers and
kind of build and establish
relationships, you kind of fall
to the wayside.
Right now we have maybe four or
five, right?
And as those brands continue to
push forward, if they continue
to grow with their as a face and
represent themselves, we can
help facilitate the growth.
We only have four or five.
This guy you know City of Palms
has over 12.
Right, that that seems like a
lot.
Yeah.
How does that work?
Like what?
What is their primary?
I mean, I got to be honest.
Have you seen their City of
Palms is located in the state of
Florida, I believe, correct.
Yeah.
Have you seen or heard of a City
of Palms sales Rep Or you know,
or somebody coming into the
store?
No, the the only time that I've
ever heard of them was I think
with Tyler Jeffrey, that was it.
I haven't.
I haven't seen them.
I mean, I was going to ask you
what's their biggest brand, you
know?
I have no idea.
Right at this point, it's Tyler
Jeffrey for me.
Well, he's not.
They're not even hailing
distribution for him.
Oh, well then it's not Tyler
Jeffrey for me, right?
See what I'm saying?
Yeah, I don't know who these
guys are, man.
And and I don't know first of
all, if I was a cigar company,
why would I want to be with
somebody that I have no clue who
they are or the brands they
represent even our or anything
like why would that's not a
great business?
Is it, well, you're kind of
scratching onto the the problem
of any kind of business, right?
And I'm going to tell you here's
what happens more often than
not, especially when you get in,
if you get into the cigar
industry, people want a cigar,
right?
So, but they want to go about it
and kind of hit an easy button,
right?
So I don't, I don't, not saying
that that's the case with with
Natura because I don't know
them, I don't know their cigars,
but it's very easy to be
deceived and kind of pushed into
a situation, right?
So cigar, we have cigar, OK, we
have good cigar, maybe I don't
know, or whatever right now.
It's like, OK, now let's go and
try and sell it, right?
And you go out and you start
introducing yourself to other
retailers and, and, and whatever
retailers in general.
And you start to try and develop
and, and get some traction and,
and build a consumer base and
all of these things.
And you realize that it's not as
easy as you thought it would be.
You're not just going to walk
into a store and and they're
going to buy your product.
And we'll take it all.
Right.
Oh yeah, we'll take it right now
if they did, if they did take it
all, they got terms and they got
a discount, right?
Because it's not like you're
established enough.
So when you kind of see how much
of A struggle it is, then you
look for somebody to to help you
with that right now.
If you look to somebody to help
you with that and they're, and
they, if they're not 100%
honest, you see a struggle, it's
like, OK, like, you know, things
aren't moving.
Are you know, are these guys
going out and kind of building
and establishing their brand as
well, 'cause if they're not,
what happens is a distributor
just sits on the product and it
doesn't move.
So excuse me, that that could be
what you that could be what's
going to happen here or it could
good go the other way.
Maybe the Chira has a a brand
that they're very passionate
about.
They believe in the the product
and they're out beating the drum
and they just needed someone to
help facilitate their orders
because they couldn't figure it
out or it became too much.
It was too much of a problem,
right?
So they gravitated to the city
of palm.
So I think it accepts everybody
and we'll, I guess we'll kind of
see what it looks like, right.
So this is interesting because
they, they started in 2020,
they're still kind of in their
infancy.
They're either 5 or 6 year turn
right.
They started in a year where it
was very easy to sell cigars.
So that could be a good thing,
you know?
They're saying that they're slow
temperature controlled aging
process has helped create a
flavor profile that's built a
cult like in the US and
internationally.
Yeah, I don't know, a slow
temperature controlled aging,
isn't that a regular process?
Just kind of sitting on the
cigars and like letting them
age.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I guess I.
Mean keeping them in a cool
room.
Yeah, isn't that what happens
already?
For the most part, yeah.
So.
So this is normal.
This is exactly how you make
cigars.
Well, you know, I mean, they
would, you know, in order if
you're going to make that
statement, I think that you need
to kind of elaborate on why it's
different.
Like, maybe it really is, but it
doesn't sound like it just from
that kind of statement.
Yeah, that was the only snippet.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't see how that that makes
them different than anybody
else.
No.
And I honestly think that
Dominican, a Dominican cigar is
always going to be more of a
struggle in, in the US, right.
Your number one importer by a
landslide is Nicaragua.
And I mean, I think Dominican,
the Dr. has been kind of
creeping up a little bit.
But more often your, you know,
your consumers, at least your
guys that are more involved in
cigars, are more often than not
Nicaraguan smokers.
Right.
Well, you're starting to see
more like Honduras.
Yeah.
You're starting to see other
countries.
Right.
Yeah, but it still isn't close.
No, no.
I'm saying other than Dominican,
right, Right.
It used to be just like
Nicaraguan Dominican and maybe a
sprinkle of something else,
right?
But now you're starting to see
other things overtake the
Dominican and not as many
Dominicans.
No, Dominicans are still on an
uptick.
Yeah, you know, there's some
good factories that have popped
up down there and they're doing
some good things.
But however, if you just look at
the data, you're, you know, as
far as imports or, you know,
cigars that are rated like all
of those things, Nicaragua does
the best, yeah.
Yeah.
What?
What would you think about 80%
of all cigars that are imported
in America?
Are, I don't think it's that
big, but it's over 50.
Yeah.
You know, it's probably 60 to
70% I would assume.
Right.
So.
All right.
OK.
Well, moving on next, Davidoff's
staying family owned ownership
has officially passed to the
next generation of Schneider
family, keeping the company
private and independent.
This is a big question, man,
because you know, even though it
hasn't been covered in the news,
we talked about how a few people
entered the portal, right in Q4
of last year from Davidoff,
right?
You saw some, some
transitioning.
You saw, you know, some, some
people change jobs and stuff
like law.
Law took over Camacho as far as
brand activation manager or
brand ambassador, whatever you
want to call it.
Yeah, whatever the title is.
And you know, his predecessor
moved up.
Right.
So it was curious to see how
that was going to play out.
Did that mean that, hey, we're
tightening our books for sale
and maybe maybe there was, maybe
there wasn't all they tried to
to try to sell it, but they
couldn't get the pricing that
they wanted.
I don't know.
And then they decided, hey,
we're just going to stay in
house and keep growing this
business.
Right.
I mean, this is 150 years in the
making, right?
So yeah, it says no shake UPS
coming, management stays the
same.
So it's more about the
continuity that then change.
Continuity.
Continuity.
Yeah, that's what I said.
Continuity.
Yeah, continuity.
Yeah, I said that.
Yeah, it's the continuity.
They still hold, they still hold
two of the six board seats, so.
OK, so let's say your father
gave you a company, right?
And you were working with that
company with your dad and
eventually your dad passes,
right?
I know, I know you don't want to
talk about it.
It's going to happen.
And then you have kids and maybe
your kids are working with you
little on the company and you're
not and you're looking to step
out, right?
Do you want your kids to
continue to run that business or
would you be happy if they just
sold and they kind of moved on
and did did their own thing?
Man, you know, that's a good
question because I have talked
to my kids about my company and
the two older ones do not want
it.
The youngest one wants to be
mommy and do exactly what mommy
does all the time.
You know, for me myself, I don't
know, man, it's such a headache.
I don't know if I want them to
have that type of headache, but
I also want them to have, you
know, money in life and be
successful and, and not have
problems.
I don't know, man, that's,
that's a, that's a good
question.
Maybe if it's a, this is a very
well known cigar company, I
would think I would want them to
have seats and something like
this.
You know, I, I think I want them
to take it over.
This is a very well known, very
old brand.
People that follow this brand
love it, don't want to die.
OK.
Do you think that your kids are
the right fit to run the
organization?
Because that's the whole other.
Thing, yeah, it is, man.
It takes for in in my world, in
the construction world, it takes
a special person to take a
beating all the time.
Right.
Yeah, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Well, hey, we wish them the
best.
I'm sure that they're going to
do extremely well.
They already are doing extremely
well.
Yeah, Yeah.
So should be interesting.
Nice to see that it didn't sell
because, I mean, who buys
Davidoff?
STG maybe?
Well, yeah, I mean, they buy
everything, right?
Right.
OK, moving on.
Yep, cot tobaccos to take over
distribution of Perdomo Cigars.
In Germany.
In Germany, Yep, after 30 years
of international expansion, the
family is realigning and
partnering with Caught Tobaccos
to carry the full Prodomo
portfolio starting February 1st,
2026.
So saying that, this is giving
Prodomo a huge retail reach and
consistency overseas.
You don't want it on you.
Why is that on me?
There you go.
Oh no, it's on me.
Oh, that's on you.
Yeah, man, you faked me out
there.
And I was like, what?
COPS Nationwide sales force and
delivery network means more
points of sale, better
availability and stronger brand
presence for lines like the 10th
20th Anniversary, Bourbon,
Barrel Age, Lot 23 and newer
Legacy and 30th Anniversary
cigars.
Also, 2025 was a defining year
for the brand.
Did you know Mikey Nick Perdomo
earned a lifetime achievement
award for from Cigar Journal?
Was yeah.
While his son, now 4th
generation, released Predomo
Legacy using home grown SLE
tobacco.
Interesting.
Yeah, that was the number one
cigar, wasn't it?
Yeah, for, I mean it, it ranked
on a lot of a lot of places, but
it was on coops, yeah.
Right.
Yeah, I've never smoked.
Is that what that says?
No, no, this is just me.
You never.
Spoke to it, I've never smoked
it.
No, me neither.
Yeah.
Huh.
So so they have these a lifetime
achievement award.
I guess who gave it to them?
Cigar Journal.
Cigar Journal, Yeah.
OK, we can do that.
You want to start doing lifetime
achievement.
Award.
You know what, Mikey?
By the powers of me and Palmer,
yeah, we now give you the
Lifetime Achievement Award.
Oh, thank you so much.
For best cigar brand of Deltona.
Oh, very nice.
Yes, very nice.
Thank you so much.
No problem just giving them out
here.
Anybody else like 1 here?
That's how.
Anybody.
Else.
Like one.
Yeah.
So that's it.
So I can't read the rest of this
because I don't think this is
the right one.
It's going to be.
What's the score?
But, you know, I have a question
about Prodomo cigars.
OK.
You know, I I know the brand,
right?
It's a old brand.
I see it in the magazines
everywhere.
I see older guys smoke it.
At what age do you start smoking
Perdomo cigars?
Well, I think that Perdomo
really kind of took over and
kind of really started to
dominate maybe 15 years ago or
so.
That's when they really started
to kind of flourish, I would
say.
I'd guess so, you know, I think
that this is that like that
they're like a generation before
us.
Yeah.
And that's your, I mean, look,
that's that's kind of coupe,
right.
That's kind of his listeners, I
would assume, whereas we kind of
cover, we actually have a wider
age span span for our listeners.
Yeah, young and old and middle
age.
Yeah, we kind of cover all
bases.
I would, I would assume that,
you know, that's, that's more
his age kind of bracket, right,
'cause he's an older guy, we're
a little bit younger, so.
So it's just a generation of.
Yeah, I think that that's,
that's more common, right?
You see a generate now don't
don't get it twisted.
Like there are some brands that
exist and grow generation after
generation after generation,
right?
Like padrone, padrone.
Yeah, Padrone, you know, but
yeah, no, So OK, I don't know.
I don't know.
But we're, when we rank those,
when we rank the top ten of the
the big media guys, we'll see
how they do.
We'll see how they rank.
And then you guys tell us how
you feel.
I mean, look, by by no means are
we trying to attack any of these
guys or beat them up.
We just want to analyze and
review the reviewers and, and
give our perspective and our,
you know, our aspects.
So it should be interesting.
I'm very excited.
And then we're going to do like
5 of the lower tier guys, right?
Your podcast guys, your YouTube
guys talk about real smoke.
They'll be on there.
We'll do real smoke pod for sure
down to Herf.
I love those guys.
Got to cover down to Herf, you
know, and we'll piece the other
the other three, right?
I think my boy Lee Mack, maybe
because I thought he's pretty
cool.
Oh yeah, that was the the TikTok
guy, right?
Yeah, no, he's on YouTube.
Or yeah.
He's in his car.
Watch the What's going on?
Yeah, the Ashcam.
Yeah, he's, I'm in my Ashcam.
Yeah, the Ashcam.
I haven't seen that yet.
I have to check that.
Out pretty good.
All right.
So this is the part where we're
going to call Palmer.
So yeah, so Palmer gave us a
What's the score?
And Phil is supposed to just
give it to me, I would assume,
so that I could kind of guess
it, right?
So, but what we're going to do
is we're going to flip it on
Palmer and we're going to give
him a buzz and he's going to
play what's the score wherever
he's at right now.
Yes, and I get to beat him.
Aha.
Aha.
Right, he's going to.
Be mad that we didn't do that.
That's OK.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello, am I in the air?
Yep, you're on the air.
Welcome.
Welcome to the podcast.
Yes, you won.
Did I say the phrase at pace?
Yeah, say it.
What is it?
Cigar House for podcast it's #1.
You get a lifetime achievement
award.
OK, so so I know that we spoke
earlier today and then you gave
us an updated half wheel cigar
to review for what to score.
However, it's not going to be
fun for Phil to just read it off
against me.
So I have picked one for you to
play against Phil Yes.
Are you ready to play you?
Guys, you guys sound good.
You have head.
Is this a headphone phone call?
Oh yeah, it's a headphone call.
Welcome to the Thunderdome.
Welcome to the Goody.
Room Little little upset you
figured it out by yourself but
OK, I'm in.
Yeah, I'm a DJ, bro.
At this point, we don't really
need you.
You know what?
We don't God.
You don't.
We don't need me.
Yeah, you're done.
You're done.
You're out.
How was that was the show that I
prepared all the content for?
We do need you, Palmer.
You're going to upload.
How is either?
One of you going to upload this.
Show.
Listen, the show is not the same
without you.
OK?
Calm down.
Oh, I heard today's show.
I understand.
You're not?
Oh.
Wow, you know what?
That's not fair.
You be nice to Pete.
Yeah.
I don't think Pete could see,
you know, I don't even I.
Don't think you could see.
Here, Yeah.
You.
Can make the letters bigger on
the teleprompter.
Yeah, he just kind of, he just
did it, you know, So I thought,
but I thought that I thought
that it went well.
I thought it was a good podcast,
Yeah.
Oh OK, well your standards are
low I guess.
Wow.
Wow, dude.
How low would you?
Say you're talking a lot of
smack, buddy.
I got news for you.
Next tomorrow I won't be here
and it's going to be you with
Drew.
Right, it's going to be me.
That's right.
It's going to be the same thing.
The only difference is it's
going to be me instead of you
get Coach Booth is going to be
there.
I mean, Phil Mcguffin is going
to be there.
Right, so.
We'll see.
Yeah, let's see.
Let's see how it goes all.
Right, not a problem.
OK so getting into this I have
chosen the Alec Bradley Medalist
Toro June 8th 2020 from Patrick
Lagride.
Lagreed, Lagroyd.
However you say it.
And that's.
Page 1 of the review list.
That's that's the.
Wow.
That's the cigar.
So Phil, I want, I want you to
go first.
Go ahead and pick your score.
Feel like Palmer already read
the number.
Oh, like Bradley?
Yeah. 86. 86 Which Alec Bradley
was it again?
I'm sorry.
The the medalist Toro.
Does it matter?
No, not this one, but I just
wanted to say that I'm going to
go 89. 89 And what did you say,
Phil?
86.
He said 86.
OK, 8680. 9 Paul, what are you
doing?
I'm driving.
Oh, all right.
In traffic.
I just, I just let no, I'm not
in the middle of freaking
nowhere, apparently.
OK, no, I just left escape in
Claremont.
I see that a new retail partner.
Yes.
Newish.
They came on end of last year.
Welcome escape, Where they at?
Quick I have a quick story about
escape.
Where they located when I hear?
The quick story, they're way out
here in Claremont.
Just.
Remember, you're on the podcast.
Just remember, you're on the
podcast.
He had, he had two boxes that
were not empty, but they were
low and they're on kind of a
buying freeze thing or something
for the season.
You know, whenever somebody
tells you so because I'm going
to wait till they sell out.
I go, OK, so we're sitting there
chit chatting, customer comes
in, he goes on the human door
and I go, I'll be right back.
Call the customer in the human
door selling four of our cigars.
There's one box of empty so so
talk a few more minutes and then
go back in.
Another customer comes in and
goes in the humor.
I go, hold on, go in with that
guy.
Go.
OK, now the two boxes are empty.
Here are two new boxes.
Nicely done buddy.
Yeah.
So he yeah, so he replaced with
the boat.
You're out there preaching the
gospel.
You're teaching the consumers
the way.
Good work.
Good work.
Yes.
Thank you.
OK.
All right.
I miss.
My you miss what?
I missed my turn.
That's right, quick U-turn and
back in, back in the.
You're fine.
OK Cigar Reviewed Alec Bradley
Medalist, Toro Country of origin
Honduras Factory Tobaccos de
Oriente, rapper, Honduran
binder, Honduran filler Honduran
and Nicaraguan.
Length 6 inches, gauge 54.
It is a Toro.
MSRP $6.50.
It's a box of 10.
It was released April of 2018.
Number of cigar smoked.
Oh, there's a Redux 1, Phil.
We'll go up one for the price.
I mean, OK, it could be kind of
a turd 87. 87 OK.
I'm going to come down to 86.
OK, clue #1 The Alec Bradley
Medalist Toro certainly bears
the marks of a milder cigar with
a lightly colored wrapper,
hardly even meriting using the
word brown as it is that shade
that reminds me of the straw and
Gran Graham crackers.
The band double s down on that
with the cream colored
background and images of golden
tobacco plants.
There's a bit of modelling
towards the head of the cigar.
Veins are small, thin and fairly
flat, and while visible, the
seams are perfectly laid.
Phil.
He seems as though he likes it.
Oh, really?
OK.
It is muddled.
It's a It's a muddled little
muddling.
Little muddled.
I'm going to stick at 87.
OK, I'm.
Going to stay at 86.
OK, second clue.
The first puffs of the Alec
Bradley Medalist Toro starts out
just a bit sour, making me think
of a blend using a Connecticut
Shade grown wrapper, but this
doesn't.
It's also pretty readily
apparent that the body of the
cigar is a bit fuller than the
prototypical mild cigar, and not
long after some black pepper
reinforces that once again,
particularly through a retro
hail.
The brief sourness from the
first puffs disappears after
less than 5 minutes and by the
one inch mark the cigars profile
has me thinking anything but
mild Phil.
Bam, we go to 86.
OK, Mr. Palmer, we.
Went down.
I'm going to go to 87.
OK.
We have now.
I think he's.
Starting to like it.
We have now switched roles from
86 to 87 as the second-half gets
underway.
I'm still not thinking of the
word mild very much, or even
milder when compared to other
cigars on the market.
The Alec Bradley Medals Toro
continues to deliver a much more
Pepper Forward profile than its
billing might lead might lead
one to believe, seemingly
leaving no taste but untouched,
but untouched.
The rest of the profile has
begun to shift towards drywood,
which is turned steadily begins
to dry out my mouth and tongue.
There's also the beginnings of
the of some earthiness around
the start of the final third and
it too contributes some dryness
and isn't as heavy or rich as
other expressions.
But it's addition does improve
the overall profile, giving it
some complexity and breath.
Phil.
You think that's good?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm, I'm, I'm confused.
I know.
Yeah.
Is all that good or is all that?
Good.
I'm also confused.
You're reading.
Where are we at?
I'm going to stay at 86 just
because I feel like.
Because you're confused.
A lot of words, a lot of commas
in that one.
No, not a lot of periods.
I know like.
A lot of big.
Words.
No, like, you know, I'm just
thinking, I'm like, oh, I love
dry mouth.
No, that's not good.
Like why would you like that?
OK.
Yeah.
Oh, he's so strong.
Wow.
Get strong or Dad's strong.
Right.
Yeah.
OK, 8686, Mr. Palmer.
I'm going to go up 1 to 88 I
think.
Oh, move to 88.
OK, final thought.
What does your phone say,
Palmer?
While I, I.
Don't know I'm I'm driving.
He's talking on the phone and
trying to read waves.
He's multitasking, not have
time.
To allegedly.
While I still can't bring myself
to put the Alec Bradley Metals
Toro in the category of a milder
cigar, I can say I'm still
impressed by what it has to
offer.
While the 1st and while the 1st
and 2nd thirds are a bit
singular in their offerings, the
final third shows some
complexity and development that
puts the profile into a very
enjoyable, if a bit dry spot.
If a bit dry spot OK.
It's also an impressive profile
for a lower cost premium cigar
with several puffs delivering
more than a six to seven dollar
price tag might suggest.
It may not be mild, but it is
still enjoyable and affordable,
which are two characteristics
I'm happy to put on any cigar.
Oh, he loves the turds too.
He.
Liked it?
Phil.
Regardless of what he has
written in this description, it
is still an Alec Bradley 86.
Yeah, that's, that's, oh, Alec
Bradley.
I was thinking something else.
You're right.
I was thinking Aladino for
something.
It's an Ella Bradley.
OK, I'm still I'm back in the
game.
I'm winning.
I'm going to win.
OK, so Phil.
Phil has an 86, Mr. Palmer 80.
Six.
I'm going to go 87.
OK.
So I have Phil at 86 and I have
Mr. Palmer at 87.
Is that correct?
Correct the Mundo brother Reno.
OK.
And the winner of today's half
wheel challenge of What's the
Score?
If you say Palmer, I'm hanging
up.
With an 87 is Mr. Palmer of.
Course it is.
And he nailed it.
Yeah, of course he did.
You had it.
Yeah, yeah, you had it.
I just didn't look at my phone.
And then you shifted down.
Yeah.
He couldn't look at his phone
because he's talking on it, so
he didn't know what to do,
right?
Yeah, OK.
All right.
Well, Mr. Palmer, go keep out
there preaching the gospel of
Postania.
We wish you the best.
Drive safe and thank you very
much and thank you.
Appreciate being on the show
today, gentlemen.
This was a great.
Pleasure.
Well, we can't wait to have you
back.
Yes, it's our, it's our
pleasure, Sir.
Just wait till you see how the
room got rearranged.
We're going to clear all this
off today.
You're going to you're going to
do your podcast late tomorrow.
So I'm going to unplug all this
and slide it aside.
Oh my God, Yep.
Yep, Yep.
Yeah, Greg's actually standing
here watching us.
Yeah, he's hovering over us.
Yep.
All right, go.
Away all right, Mr. Palmer.
For we're right.
For for the Patriot next week, I
have a little surprise.
Oh, you do.
Yes.
Excellent.
I got the Gasparilla cigars.
OK, that that should be
interesting.
They were donated by Hank at
Central in Saint Pete.
Perfect.
OK, Thank you.
Thank you.
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OK.
Anything else to add, Mr. Phil?
No, but thank you for letting me
be a Co host today.
Yes, you're you're most welcome.
Yes.
No, nothing else I had just this
is great, let's get on to
tomorrow's and then the weekend
comes super cold all.
Right.
Sounds good.
All right.
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