ACHP 461 Technical Issues, Cigars & Caviare

Episode Summary

Episode 461 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast is a loose, blooper-filled roundtable with host Mike Palmer, co-host Mikey, and engineer Phil, recorded while the studio camera kept dying mid-show. The crew leaves the technical meltdown in the episode, jokes about the still-unfinished CHPod beanies, and works through listener comments from the previous show — including regulars T-Money, Miguel Rocha and others — touching on the English-only driver's license debate and the ongoing running gags about the show's comment section.

The non-cigar news block covers McDonald's Valentine's Day tie-up with Paramount Caviar (free McNugget caviar plus a mother-of-pearl spoon and a $25 gift card), which the hosts debate as a marketing stunt that generates buzz but probably won't build the caviar brand long term. They also discuss the collapse of Florida's recreational marijuana ballot initiative and why they think public over-use soured voters, the ongoing disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother in Arizona, and a bizarre Oviedo story in which Airbnb guests filmed the property owner performing a sexual act with a vacuum cleaner in the front yard — leading into a longer conversation about Airbnb horror stories, house parties, and unexpected pets.

The cigar news segment covers three new releases: the EGM Ninfa, a 7x34 all-Dominican cigar (secco-dominant with some ligero) launching at the Cabinet Club in Kuwait City with a $19.99 U.S. MSRP and a 90-day Kuwait exclusivity window; the Habanos S.A. Trinidad Año del Caballo (Year of the Horse) release unveiled in Hong Kong, a 5 3/10 x 55 parejo with a pigtail in the new Patricios vitola, priced around 24 euros (roughly $84) per cigar in boxes of 18 with NFC anti-counterfeiting tech; and Salm Cigars' first all-Nicaraguan limited edition, a 6x52 Toro built around a 14-year-old Estelí wrapper and 7-year-old Jalapa binder, limited to about 1,100 cigars at $30 each. The hosts also riff on trademark disputes, name similarities to the Crux Nymphomaniac, and Pete Johnson's reputation for protecting his marks.

The episode closes with "What's the Score," where the crew guesses Brooks Whittington's Halfwheel redux review score for the Daughters of the Wind Pony Express — a Costa Rican 6x48 box press with Ecuadorian Habano wrapper — which earned an 87 after five-plus years of age, with tasting notes of cocoa nibs, roasted peanuts, espresso, maple syrup, creamy cedar and graham cracker. Housekeeping includes a plug for the Patreon interview with Scott Pierce about the CAA, and an appearance at Island Gems in St. Augustine for a Powstanie event.

In This Episode

1. 01
   Studio Chaos and CHPod Swag
   Camera failures, phone notifications bleeding into the board, and an update on why the CHPod beanies still aren't available.
2. 02
   Comment Section Callbacks
   The hosts answer listener comments from T-Money, Miguel Rocha and others, including a note that Lure Cigars and a new budget Crux line are made at the same factory.
3. 03
   McDonald's x Paramount Caviar
   A debate over McDonald's Valentine's Day McNugget caviar promotion and whether the giveaway actually builds the Paramount Caviar brand.
4. 04
   Florida Recreational Marijuana Fails to Make the Ballot
   Why the recreational weed petition fell short in Florida and the hosts' argument that public over-use killed voter support.
5. 05
   Savannah Guthrie's Missing Mother
   Coverage of the Arizona disappearance, the signs of a struggle at the home, and speculation about what happened.
6. 06
   Oviedo Airbnb Vacuum Incident & Airbnb Stories
   Guests filmed the Airbnb owner in a public indecency incident, sparking a broader swap of Airbnb horror stories.
7. 07
   Cigar News: EGM Ninfa, Trinidad Year of the Horse, Salm Cigars
   Three new releases broken down by size, blend, pricing and distribution, including a Kuwait-exclusive launch and an $84 Cuban.
8. 08
   What's the Score: Daughters of the Wind Pony Express
   The crew guesses Brooks Whittington's redux review score for the aged Costa Rican box-press, which landed at 87.

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Transcript

I'm Mike Palmer, your host, and with me today, as always, is Phil, people like by bare-nose McGuffey. Hei, and Engineering, and my co-host Mikey. Now Palmer is as good-looking as me, Stepan Kavich. I don't think that's true.

Oh, I knew camera. That's what everybody said yesterday. I'm trying, but it's, listen, there's only so much I can do. Oh, thank you very much.

Right, that's right. In today's show, we have Super Size My McCaviar, please. What do you...? I'm getting to the comments section of the previous show.

Are you with us? I heard a video playing over there. It was Phil. Oh.

still no pot for fun in Florida, Samantha Guthrie's mom is still missing unfortunately, and in the news in Oviedo, guest at an Airbnb didn't know their stay came with a show, oh, then in cigars, thank you, Moose, or Phil, then in cigars, three new cigars, and a what's the score, oh, he's making me more attractive, he's adjusting the camera, yeah, oh, that did it, that, no, I'm perfect, but before we, oh, and When you hit your camera. It's fine. But before we get started, Michael, my dear friend, Michael, how do we get that CHPod swag? I just want you to know, I spent over an hour last night trying to figure out how to do the beanies and not screw them up.

And? I watched the video that you sent me, did not help. I tried going a different direction, and I was like, oh, I got it all figured out. No.

Nothing, huh? So, the beanies are still in hiatus. But let's just, if you'd like a beanie with nothing on it. No, I refuse to give up on this, I'm going to figure this out.

My beanie's doing great. What was... It's going to be spring soon. Like, what is the, like, what's the hang up?

But it's like, it's morphed a little bit. It's like, um, skewed. That looks great. I've had plenty of compliments.

Yeah? Yeah. I wear it out of the racetrack. Everybody's like, man, where'd you get that beanie from?

Because it's cold out there. com. Yeah, it's not available on chpod. Not available in any sense.

com. You can get anything else you want. Where you can buy one, get the second one for 40% off, and if you spend $100 or more, you get free shipping. So please check us out, like and subscribe wherever you're watching or viewing, and to comment on some of our comments from the yesterday's show that have already come in today.

Yes. T-Money is very upset with you. Yeah, I saw that. Damn you, Palmer.

How dare you doubt me. Go to 2230. How did I doubt him? I don't remember doubting him.

You said that he's not a real fan. You said he's not a real fan. Oh, did I? Yeah, that was before you knew it was Team Money and you made the mistake.

" This guy is... he is... he is... I don't know why he's hung up on that Pages thing either.

I mean, you know, I know Lou, but we're not, you know, we're not neighbors. Crux has a new budget stick that is made at the Pages factory. Boots said there was a previous brand that you talked about before that was made at Pages. The cigar brand is Lure Cigars.

Yes, he has said that twice now. Thank you T-Money for it. Yes, T-Money's not just a fan, he's a friend. Okay?

Yes. Yeah. I don't know his real name either. Travis.

What? Trax? Travis. Travis?

I don't know, that's what he said. Don't put any comments about boots, or Phil. Phil, Phil, Phil's got three fingers in something, I saw that in one of the comments too. Oh God.

Now I'm, hold on. It's so hard not to comment because he handles all that. Right. Now I'm out of there.

So if I know them, I text them my comment. I knew I was going to screw that up. Oh, is that it? Yes, Ben got quite the talking to the other day.

Travis, Miguel Rocha, these guys are friends, you'll be nice to them. All right, very friends. I love you all. Speaking of Miguel.

Speaking of Miguel, you said Drivis and, did you say Miguel? Is this Shingle Miguel? No, no. He says English only for a driver's license sounds like a solid racist slash not racist law.

I'm telling you, like look, I don't know about that one. I honestly don't know. How is it racist not to allow people that don't speak English to get a driver's license in a country where we speak English? Well, do we speak Comanche?

I mean, because that was the original one. Not necessarily. No? No, you could say...

Seminal? How? Look, I just, I don't see the, I don't see the issue with the driver's license test being in spent. I honestly don't.

You know, if people are in an upper or whatever, but like... He always caves, Phil. He always caves. No, I just don't see the issue there.

I always cave? I mean, I don't, I don't see why it's, well, because the, the fans are saying, no, no, don't do it. So you're like, oh, Miguel's got a great point. I just, you know, I don't think it's racist.

It can be perceived that way. I don't think so. Is Spanish-speaking people a race? I think that, I think that, oh my god.

I think that, you know, realistically, like sometimes you can use that term in a wrong fashion, but eh, whatever. So if we offer it in Spanish, should we also offer it in Chinese? Because there's Chinese people here. No, no, no.

Well, that's racist if we don't. It's based on population. It's racist if we don't. Well, they're communists, so.

Are there a lot of Chinese people? I don't know off the top of my head, I'm not in charge of that part of the country. I mean, you said flat out, there are a lot of people, Spanish descent, that are in Florida, so I don't see what the problem is with catering. And why is that?

Because Florida is a great state. Well, we live a little closer to where they come from. In Texas, can you get a driver's license in Mexican? I don't know, I don't know, maybe.

We live in Mexican? Yeah, I mean, really? Well, because they're in Mexico. They should.

I mean, it's in Mexican. I didn't say in Mexican. I said in Mexican. They should.

They're in running distance. Okay. " Which I love. You know, because he has to hit three buttons now.

Oh, three fingers, Phil. Thank you for laying. I didn't know what he was doing with his three fingers. Wow.

And then 215 Inc. " And no, he's not white. Mm. So, you might be on to something.

Yeah, there it is. The doctor allegedly, supposedly, something, though, you know, please don't sue me. Right. Could be, could the conspiracy theory is, the doctor may be spreading his seed.

Spreading the seed. Could be. Is it a tax break for him? No, I told you.

He gets more deductions out? Right. I told you. More dependent?

He's Genghis Conning. Genghis Conning in the Orlando area. Yeah. Soon there will be an army.

I was going to use that photo for promotion for the thumbnail for the show. And then it just seemed wrong. Probably not a good idea. It just seemed wrong.

So I didn't. I made a Hawaiian fire dancer smoking a beer. Yeah, I saw that. That would be the time that you don't go across the line?

Really? Well, there was a child involved and... Oh, well, yeah. I mean, yeah.

Several of the photos, it looks so AI that I'm like... It does. It does. It could be fake.

Well, I mean, the picture could be fake, but I don't think the situation... Right. It's fake. So, now the mic's in your face again.

I haven't moved since you set it up! No, it's the diaper slide. It's the diaper slide. The diaper, as I told you, is inside the pants.

Oh, maybe it's crinkling and it's making you slide. It doesn't crinkle. No crinkling. You would hear it crinkle like I hear your lighter go off all through the show.

Yeah, I don't know what you're doing over there now. All right, moving on. Can I supersize my caviar? McDonald's partnered with a luxury brand, Paramount Caviar, We want caviar to create McNugget caviar, turning chicken nuggets into a high-end tasting experience for a Valentine's Day special.

Okay. Wow. Do you guys like caviar? You ever had caviar?

How much is it? I don't, I guess I've had caviar. I guess. I don't know.

A little black or red and a little fish eggs, right? Yeah, yeah, that's where they are, fish eggs. Some of it, some of it's on top of sushi. That's true.

Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I've had it. Salty.

Well, it's saltwater. It's fish. Is that what it is? Yeah.

That's why it's salty? Yeah. Right. They don't, you know, put the extra salt on the caviar.

Makes sense. So anyway, it's free, Boots, or Phil, it's free. Really? You can get this for free.

There is a website that is called, where is it at? com. com. Okay.

So if, it's a website, so you go to the website now, there is a countdown going on for time It's time for you to get it in time for Valentine's Day. I think when I checked yesterday, it was four days, seven hours, and something, something. And it's free. And it's free, plus you get a $25 gift card for the McNuggets.

Really? So, they send you the caviar and a gift card of $25 for you to buy the McNuggets. Yeah, all you gotta do is just enter your social security number here. Okay, so what's the point?

It's a Valentine's Day promotion. I don't know what the- For the caviar company? I would imagine it's for the caviar company, because how do you, what can people eat more? What do you think people eat more, McNuggets or Caviar?

McNuggets. Right, so they're getting all the McNugget people to try the caviar. So they're trying to up your game. They ship you a little can of caviar with a gift card.

So they're trying to up your McDonald's game into caviar. I think they've just partnered up with McDonald's, and McDonald's took it as an opportunity to do something different. Right. I mean, I've already been to the website, and who knows who else is.

You're shipping me caviar? They ship you, caviar usually comes in a little can or a little jar or something, I believe. Okay. Does this sound like a good marketing strategy?

I mean, to be fair, we are talking about it. Yeah, yeah, for the, I think it's more an advantage for the caviar company than for the McDonald's itself. I don't think McDonald's needs any marketing. Well, they market all the time.

They do everything. Okay, well, here's what I'm going to tell you. We're covering the article. Yes.

Great. We're talking about caviar. Right. Fantastic.

What's the company brand that sells the caviar? I said it earlier, Paramount. Okay. Like the movie company?

Okay, so you know that it's Paramount, but how many other people are going to be aware of the brand Paramount Caviar with this marketing stint? That's right, you weren't before they did it. I got it off of Google Trending Stories, and it was one of the top stories yesterday afternoon. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, I don't think that it conveys to a consumer that Paramount, oh, Paramount Caviar.

Oh, well, yeah, you've never heard of it before. You don't know if it's good or not. Well, even if you get it, "Oh, I got this free caviar. " Well, let's say, let's go this way.

Let's say you are a general McNugget type family. You eat McNuggets all the time, all right? You want to get your wife something nice for Valentine's Day. I love my Nuggies.

Yeah, they're good. It's my preferred chicken when I drive, so. Nuggies on the go. Yeah, okay.

Are you hitting buttons over there? You text me. I lost my train of thought because you went around. No, I was looking up Paramount Caviar.

Paramount Caviar. " Right. All I got to do is go to this website, click a box, and then I get $25 worth of nuggets for the family, and I give my wife a little jar of caviar. Right.

Maybe somebody who's never tried caviar before. Okay. I don't think you're going to go, "You know what? " No, but that's my point.

My point is that it's a marketing stunt. Sure. And is it effective? Yes, because people are talking about it.

However, will it convey to the brand being successful? And I don't think that it does. No, a longevity success story because they teamed up with McDonald's in 2026 to give away KV? No, I don't think so.

Even 2026 numbers, I don't see a big pop in it. I think after the holiday that Paramount just fades away again as far as McDonald's customers are concerned. So, in theory, we believe that it's a failed marketing stunt. Sure.

I mean, I don't think they're doing it with the intentions of. It says press menu. What's up, bro? Go to setup tab, toolbox icon.

Oh, shit. Find auto power off temp. Change it from standard to high. " Okay.

Is it back on? Yeah, yeah, it's on. Okay, so you get the card, you get the caviar, then you also get this Mother of Pearl spoon. Ooh.

For scooping the, you know, putting it on. It better say Paramount on it. I think it would. But then I got news for you.

It's not in my face, it goes into a drawer. Right, yeah, wow, it becomes part of the gift. Yes, I'm aware of that, but I'm talking about as far as marketing is concerned, it doesn't do anything. No, no, I think you're right.

I think as an overall life of the Paramount brand marketing, no one's going to be talking about this again. They usually target Michelin-level establishments, this company does. That makes sense. The caviar people?

Yeah. Yeah, that makes more sense. McDonald's? Is McDonald's Michelin?

They're up there. They're five-star. All right. Five-star in my book.

I'll tell you what, I like to judge my double-quarter pounder with cheese. I'm like, mmm, this one's a little off and a little mmm, I don't know. Oh, yeah, you did say in another episode that you've had different experiences. Of course.

At McDonald's. Oh, yeah. They're saying the brand is leaning into irony, exclusivity, and social media shock value. That's green.

Now it's off. It's off again. Just go to black, it'll be funny when I talk. Okay.

And then we'll figure it out. You want to know how we're going to figure this out? Oh, no. No.

Oh, my Phil. Oh, I'm moving, I'm moving. Oh, look, I turned into Palmer. Oh, hello.

How high is that? Super high. Yeah, leave, that'd be funny, it's off my head. A little higher, his top of his head's cut off.

Hey, do the diaper roll. Are we just going to leave this recording the whole time I'm leaving? Yeah, this is perfect. I'll just cut it out.

No! Leave it in? Yeah. We got to start doing a blooper reel.

I don't know why we don't. Because it's extra work for me to save the beginnings that I cut off. Sometimes if the beginning is funny when we're just fucking around, I leave it on. Yeah, but like, just every once in a while, I'll do a blooper reel.

That's too high. Can you just control the camera with the little handle in front of your face? That'll tilt it. Oh.

That's what it is, buddy. That's what we're doing. Bear with me. Bring on the chaos.

All right. All right. All right. So.

That's what it is, buddy. That's what we're doing. Bear with me. Bring on the chaos.

All right. All right. All right. So.

That's what we're doing. That's too high. That's too high. That's too high.

Can you just control the camera with the little handle in front of your face? That'll tilt it. That's what it is, buddy. That's what we're doing.

So. Okay, moving on to the next story. Moving on to the next story. I guess you got something else.

Okay. How did he look? Fine. Still pretty good.

You got a badass lens on that one now, so. Oh. Well, I had that badass lens before. Oh, you had an ultra badass lens.

Oh, now it's a badass. Now you're just moderately badass. I gotcha. Recreational weed is dead in Florida.

Okay. What does that mean? State says grassroots efforts failed. Organizers cry foul.

cry foul. So to get anything put on the list of stuff that they vote on, you have to sign up. You have to get petitions to get so many signatures. So the government's saying, sorry, guys, time's up.

You didn't get the signature. There were 22 citizen ballot initiatives, failed to collect enough, verified signatures, including the big recreational marijuana amendment. Okay. I think I know why this has happened.

That they didn't get them? Yeah. Well, the problem is the deadline hasn't really hit yet. They've said they don't have them before the deadline was up.

Okay, are you, let me, let's start here. Are you for or against recreational marijuana? I don't know, what's the T-Money thing? No, no, no.

I don't want to upset T-Money shouldn't. T-Money, I don't know what we're doing here. I don't think he's, I don't, I don't, no, I'm not, I don't want people upstairs smoking marijuana in the lounge, It's in the lounge and it smells like that. Well, I mean, in here we wouldn't permit it, right?

But just in general. Okay, I don't want to go to McDonald's and eat my caviar and smell and pot out in the parking lot. Yeah, you don't want to have your Paramount caviar? Right.

Okay, what about you, Camaraless Phil? He's not going to talk. I'm not talking now because I have no camera again. Right.

I think, yeah, I think it's too pungent for like, you know, eating a place or, yeah. Yeah, okay, so here's what I think has happened. If you drive around in Orlando or whatever, I mean, whenever I'm driving, my windows are always down, and if you start to go to downtown Orlando or even just a little bit off, you constantly run into this weed smell. When you say downtown, do you mean Eatonville?

No, no, I'm talking about actual Orlando, you know, Winter Park-esque, that whole vicinity, right? Where the caviar is. Where the caviar is located. Yeah, that I can only get at McDonald's.

For free. It's around a lot. It's around a lot. Well, any hotel you go to, you smell it too, usually.

Yeah, so it's already a problem. It's a Colorado hotel. The problem is that it could have been an opportunity if we all were on the same page and people were reasonable about it, right? But instead, because everybody smokes it everywhere, nobody wants that.

Right, except the people that smoke. Except for the people that are smoking, right? So, what did you do? You destroyed it.

You fucked it up. And now with the medical option, because he goes, oh, I have a card. Right. So now when people come up and say, hey, we want this to be recreation, like, fuck no, I don't want it everywhere.

It's already everywhere. Then you're going to 10 times that? Right. Like, no.

We gave you a card and you became Cheech and Chong. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I could smell it on I-4 on occasion. Yeah.

Yeah, no. Yeah, you pass a certain card and you're like, oh, shit. Which is crazy, because we're going 80. Right.

Close the recycle thing on the vent, on the car. You can't smell the cigar? No. Well, that's true.

You can't smell the cigar? I don't know of a lot of things you can smell at 80 miles per hour. You can smell this dank-ass, next-level, nice-and-loud marijuana that I don't think is medicinal, but I'm not about to have the conversation. Well, it could be.

What exactly is your problem? Where did you get that from? Yeah, Snoop and Martha. I'm sorry, I don't sleep well.

Yeah, I got glaucoma. You know what I mean? So it's whatever. You screwed it up.

You screwed it up. It could have worked. Clock coma. Why are you driving?

If you can't see. Well, I can smoke and then I can see. Oh, it clears it right up. Yeah, it's perfect.

Can they just make the gummies? Because the gummies don't smell when they eat them. Just let them make those recreational? Sure.

Recreational gummies and cookies. I got news for you. You can buy that shit anywhere, everywhere already. Right?

So like, what are we doing? There's no way that you're going to get people to petition, hey, we want to make this recreation. They're like, fuck. It's everywhere already.

I don't want any part of this. Did we do that already? What's going on? Like, I feel like you got enough access to it.

Leave us alone. Or in your backyard because your neighbors are smoking or something. Yeah, well, I mean, you know what, if it was... That sounded personal.

I got it. I got to tell you, I got to tell... They don't listen. Go ahead.

Sorry. I gotta tell you, if I could smell it in my backyard, I wouldn't be that upset about it, because I know that somebody else is in their backyard doing it too, like that's their place, right? It is what it is. What if it messed up your cigar experience?

Nothing can mess up my cigar experience, except my kids. They do a good job of messing my... Dad! Daddy, give me another hit!

No, I'm just kidding. But yeah, so no, of course it got screwed up. And you can call as many fouls as you want against the government. The reality is that you guys as a society blew it.

You screwed it up. Well, apparently they're still counting signatures is what the problem is. Yeah, good luck. Right.

There's not going to be enough. No. No matter how many you have, there's not enough. There isn't going to be enough.

" The guy's like, "Man, it's already everywhere. " And then, as you start thinking about it, I'm like, God damn, you're right, it is everywhere, and I don't want it everywhere, you know? Yeah, instead of Smoke Shop selling it from under the counter, now they can sell it over the counter. Right, there's a time and a place for it.

Right. And it isn't in front of Publix. Right. I'm trying to smell the chicken.

No, that's a true story. I walked into Publix, and someone was chiefing before they walked in. I'm like, God damn. Well, Publix likes that because then their purchases are higher.

They're buying more donuts. Can you describe the appearance of this person? A lot of Cheetos get sold that way. Uh, no, I will not describe the person.

All right. I didn't know if it was the doctor. Could have been anyone. All right, good.

Could have been anybody. Doctor wrote himself his own prescription. Right. You know who doesn't have a prescription?

Tell me. Savannah Guthrie. Oh my God, dude. She's the one person who needs one right now.

What a terrible segue for you right there. That was so bad. Dude, this is scary. It is.

It's terrible. Yeah. So she was getting ready to cover the Olympics. She was all packed up.

She was going to Italy. " Someone hijacked her mom, allegedly. Right. She was dropped off at 9:45 Saturday night after a day of events with friends.

And then she didn't show up for church on Sunday. Yeah, dude. So by noon, they had called 911 and listed her as a missing person. Someone granny naps somebody?

Right, so who steals an old person at 10 o'clock at night out of her house? Somebody who knows she's Savannah Guthrie's mother. Or Will Ferrell and Vince Vaughn in old school. So if that was the case, you would think that there'd be some type of ransom?

Except they probably didn't plan on it being a national story, and now it's a little too late. You guys stole the wrong person! I don't know, man. What does she do in the Olympics?

Do you remember? No, Savannah Guthrie's from the Today Show. She was going to go over there and be an announcer for the Olympics. Yeah, they definitely took the wrong person.

Because how does this help anything? Well, they think, okay, Savannah Guthrie's got money. Okay, let's grab her mom. I mean, if this is it, we don't know.

We're just making, I don't know where to look. The teleprompter or the camera. Hypotheticals, don't even worry about it. Out of all the rich people.

Look into my eyes. Look at you. But then I'm not going to talk. I'm going to get so overwhelmed.

It's okay. Well, then we'll bring you back. Okay. Out of all the rich people, this is the person you picked to kidnap somebody?

I mean, there's rich people that don't have access to TV. You know, the wild part is, too, like, she has a lot of political views, right? She's opinionated. So it's possible that maybe somebody just...

Oh, you think it's like revenge? You want to know, like, so they're, I guess her house is like a crime scene? They're considering... Well, that's kind of the weird part for me, because they all, you know, they all went through the house.

They're like, uh, grandma, grandma, whatever, she's not there, they search the neighborhood, somebody had a drone, they're searching the surrounding areas, and then after they call the police at noon, so they've been looking for her all morning at the house and in the neighborhood, call the police at noon, police come out however long that takes, and they're like, oh, there's, look, signs of a struggle, we found some blood. Oh, there was blood? There's been blood. Ooh.

They didn't say how much, but there's signs of a struggle, looks like she was taken by force. People have been going through the house for four hours already. Right, we don't know. I mean, maybe they, you know, flipped all the cushions on the couch looking for her.

You know, what also could, like, you ever, do you remember, there was a song about the, like, this couple? Do you remember? A song about a couple? Yeah, like.

A little vague, but okay. It was an old couple. They made up their minds. Jack and Jill went up there.

No, that first thing I thought of was Jack and Jill watching. No, you know what I'm talking about? No, but anyway, what do you say? Maybe the lady offed herself?

No, like, there was a story about an old couple. Yes. And they disappeared and no one could ever find them and then like a band made a song about them that like they just packed, they didn't pack anything, they just went and they traveled or whatever. So the theme song for the odd couple?

No. I don't know. No, you're trying to be funny. You gotta figure out this, no, we gotta figure out the song.

So her wallet was there, her cell phone was there, the car was there, the keys for the car were there. Right. All ads was still at the house too. Right.

So first thing I'm thinking because my own mother, maybe she just wandered off. Right. But there's been no mention of her with any type of illness, dementia, or anything to where they could have been the fact. I'm looking this up right now.

Yeah, I'm doing the same. You don't know the song. What is the song made about an old couple disappearing? Is it important?

It's called Fastball, it's called The Way. Oh, yeah, we came up with it. Are you wanting them to write a story, write a song about this lady? No, so I'm trying to tell you that this is like something similar like this has happened in the past.

This couple, yeah, this other couple just sort of, but they left. I would imagine they took their stuff with them. No, they didn't. No wallet, no cell phone, no nothing?

I don't think so. I think they actually accidentally drove off a cliff and they didn't find them. So the car was gone. Yeah, I think so.

This lady's car is still home. Yeah, so maybe she went on a bike ride. Well, then they would mention the bike was gone. Oh, yeah, they never found this people.

They did find them eventually. Did they? In the water with the car. They found their car off the cliff or something.

Oh, Jesus. So, I mean, like as crazy as that sounds, as this story progresses, that might be the best outcome. That she just kind of... Walked off?

Yeah, and got injured innocently and just passed, right? Because if it's the other way, that somebody broke into the house and took her and this whole thing... Damn, bro, that's wild. 10 o'clock at night.

It's a new... Well, that's when she got home, so they could have been there waiting for them for somebody to bring her home. Right. Because you're going to grab her at night, you're not going to take her to the daytime, everybody sees you.

That's elderly trafficking. Elderly trafficking. Yeah, maybe it's elderly trafficking, maybe that's the new thing. Palmer, you have to be careful nowadays.

All right, you guys got to protect me with your lives now. There's somebody on the dark web that wanted an 84-year-old woman? Never know. But she has daily medication she's supposed to be taking, so she hasn't had that in several days.

What's the daily medication for, do you know? Okay, the story said she has daily medication she's supposed to be taking, and now she hasn't had that in several days. It's been in several days. But that's it.

It doesn't say that it's for blood pressure. They can't really because of the HIPAA violations. I don't think so. Yeah?

No, like you could say, "Hey, my kid's a diabetic. You stole my kid. " Well, yeah, but she's not making those type of... She's been on her social media asking people to pray, but I haven't seen any, "Bring my baby home" or anything like that.

Right. Hmm. This is wild, man. " Ransom?

Yes. Yeah. Good movie. Invote the money to hunting you down.

That's right. No matter where you go, people will be looking for you for the rest of your life. This is as close as you'll get to this. This is as close as you're ever going to get to this $5.

$5. $5. Yeah, because that's maybe what I have. Well, listen, we hope that this turns out okay.

We hope that Savannah Guthrie's mother is found and in a good condition, right? Yeah, and hopefully she gets her medical marijuana card, like Palmer said. She doesn't have one. But not rec, not in the city.

Not in Florida, she won't get a hair. I think it is wrecked in New York. Hmm. Is that where they're from?

I don't think they're in New York. She's missing from her home in Arizona. Oh, well, you could ask T-Money if it's wrecked there. Oh, he lives in Arizona?

Is he out looking for her? Everybody should be helping, T-Money. Oh, sorry, T-Money. You can listen to the show while you're looking.

So our home's been turned into a crime scene, a large-scale search and rescue, we've been taken against NBC, NBC's airing urgent updates across the bottom of the screen. We closed it out. Moving on. Wait, I'm going to talk about it again for a minute, because, I mean, NBC is talking about this almost 24/7.

Of course. They obviously picked the wrong lady. That's what I said. Yeah, they can't call now and go, you know, for $5 million, we'll give her back.

Because it'll come across the ticker on the TV. No, no, this is how it works, man. If you kidnap somebody that's the wrong person, you just throw them out the van in like the woods somewhere. You just drop her off at the hospital.

No, no, people ask questions at hospitals, Palmer. Yeah, but if you just shove her out the back of the car at the hospital and drive off. Haven't you ever seen Gone in 60 Seconds? Listen, you just gotta throw them out the van, man.

The wild part is that NBC just took this and shot it through the roof as far as ratings. Because now everybody's gonna watch. Oh, sure, everybody, well, sure. Maybe they took her, allegedly.

Maybe it's all a stunt. Plot twist. The CEO took her away on a trip. Oh, she's on a nice little trip.

You know what? People aren't liking you as much or more, Savannah. We need to change your image. Make America feel sorry for you.

Savannah wanted to cover you on this trip. The Olympics were going to tank because we were sending you. So we ended up with a reason. She's fine.

We put her on vacation. She's on Epstein's Island. It's okay. Oh, my God.

He's not there anymore. Just when he thought that the joke couldn't get any darker, you went and you just turned it down another notch. It's not getting any darker anymore. Everybody's being accused of being on the island at all.

Do you think that she still does the Olympics? No, she didn't go. She didn't go. They replaced her with a dude.

Here we go again. Well, they said what the guy's name was. Men just taking women's jobs. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's going to be the next story, yeah. It's probably going to be on The View. It's right there. He's going to be on The View?

No, the story will be on The View. How the men took the woman's job. Oh, that's right, they're all, oh, 'cause here and now, complaining, the man done took the woman's job. Wow.

Not bad enough, her mom's missing. Kick her when she's down. Right. Yeah.

Jesus. Are they still gonna pay her? I hope so. You know who's not getting paid?

Oh. Tell me. Samantha Gunnar. The outraged people in the comments section.

The Oviedo man who was arrested last week after he was caught engaging in a sexual performance with a vacuum cleaner. Wow. Again, this guy's been caught? I feel like this has been a story before.

No, this happened over the weekend. I got this link sent to me. Oh, did you? Alright, so these people rent an Airbnb.

They pay them on the Airbnb, and they're having a nice evening, everything nice and calm. They hear noise outside, look outside, the guy's drunk on the front yard. This is the owner of the Airbnb, apparently. That's how they caught him.

He strips off his clothes, apparently grabs his Kirby vacuum or whatever it was he had. Was it plugged in? I was just about to ask that question. Yeah.

How are you on the front yard, like, hoochek or whatever with the little boombox? It seems pointless to do it without. Yeah. Maybe he, like, fleshlighted it.

I don't know. It seems like it'd be more fun if you plugged it in. Probably. So he starts going to town on himself with a vacuum.

Yeah. Wow. They videotape with their cell phones. Obviously.

Epic. How do you not? Of course you do. Honey, grab the cell phone.

The owner's here. Yeah, they obviously didn't read the fine print on the Airbnb. Right. He might have been mentioned somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah, it comes with cuck. Right. So, apparently he finishes, and then packs it up as toys and wares and things, and then hightails it out.

Oh, like they didn't see him. Epic. Get out of here. Absolutely epic.

Oh, God. But, because he owned the house, they matched the description to, you know, the owner of the house. Oh, that's the guy. Oh, this is the guy, exposing his sexual organs in front of the residence.

So they caught him. Dude, there's been some wild shit going on with Airbnbs. Did you hear about the three guys that came down for the Meacham Auto and they all were killed? What?

Jesus. Yeah, like three older gentlemen came down for the Meacham. Elderly again? Oh, the car thing.

Yeah, for all the auction. Yeah. And like a crazy guy walked up to them and just shot all three of them. At the Airbnb or at the car auction?

I don't know. I think it was at the Airbnb, I believe. Oh. Or they were waiting on a car.

Look, I don't have the details, right? I'm probably going to get yelled at, because I always get yelled at with you internet people, but there's something about the rental car was messed up, so they were going to exchange it or swap it out or something, and then they were all killed. By the guy who brought the new car? No, by some rando dude.

Oh, I thought I had something to do. So the fact that the car was messed up really had nothing to do with the story. No, but that's where they were at. Did he have a vacuum cleaner?

They were dealing with the car at the time. Oh, at the rental place? I think it was at the Airbnb. I think.

I don't know. It's not safe anymore. Completely unrelated to the vacuum cleaner. It perfectly is safe.

Apparently not. Well, you can't be Palmer going to an Airbnb now. You just gotta bring heat, bro. Well, I don't think they could shoot the man and having sex with the vacuum.

No, that's pretty funny. I mean, maybe. I don't think that's a killing offense. I was in fear of my life.

For what, sir, the vacuum or for the man's gentle tail? I don't know, he had something pointing at me. Do you see the erection on that guy? He had something pointed at me.

He had something pointed at me. I couldn't tell what it was. It was dark. It was dark outside.

He had his hand on it. It had a point to it. I don't know what he had. His hand kind of low.

He reached for something. He reached for something. He was hipped out. Gun!

I heard the vacuum rev up. I don't know what happened. I got scared. I got scared.

Gaw, gaw, gaw, gaw, gaw, gaw! Do you think he's going to lose the Airbnb? Yeah, obviously. Yeah, definitely.

I don't think he's a super host. I don't think anybody's gonna rent from him anymore after this situation. Or some people will rent from him, you know, there's an audience for everything. Yeah, it could be a destination now for some, yeah.

Check this out, we can get this guy to come out. We get the vacuum guy, come on, let's all go. Yeah, 150 bucks for three nights. They're just sitting out in front in lawn chairs.

He'll be here any minute, any minute he shows up. Yeah, yeah. Put a bottle of gin out there in the yard. He was drunk, that was part of the thing.

Oh, it's like Santa Claus's milk and cookies, you gotta give this guy booze. All right. And a fresh vacuum. So you've stayed at Airbnbs, I'm sure.

Of course. Not at that one. Phil, have you stayed at Airbnbs? Yes.

You ever stayed at one where the people are still there? No. I would never. And I've seen these on there where they're like, oh, you can stay in the back room.

Well, I don't mean part of the house, but it's like a separated part of the house. Like we stayed at one down in Jupiter. It had a beautiful pool and everything. We stayed.

Yeah. And it was like an apartment next to or under or something in the regular house. " Then they would go in the house. It was just awkward.

That's wild. Oh, they were looking for friends. Yeah, we did it one time. " It's dated that, hey, there are people on premises?

Yeah. Or sometimes it's a little house off to the side or something like a guest house. So you can make them get out of their jacuzzi? No, no.

They got out and went inside when we came out to the pool. I'm going to tell you two stories I have for an Airbnb. Well, one is I overheard one this week where friends of mine rented out an Airbnb and there was a cat inside and they had younger kids at the time. They didn't realize that they had a cat and the cat had escaped.

The cat ran out of the house. So like, what do you do with that scenario? Right? Like, why do you have your, why do you have a, why is there a cat here at this Airbnb?

And the other one is across the street from my house, there's an Airbnb. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, I think one of your phones is attached.

I thought it was my ears ringing, my tinnitus. It's definitely not that. It keeps going. Well, Steve just sent a photo.

Just text both of us. It's probably Palmer from yesterday. I looked in the beginning. Do you know how to silence it?

Yep, it's me. Yeah, I thought it was my tinnitus going on. I was like, why does that keep going off? I've never had this many times of it ringing in my ear.

Great. What a great podcast. Cameras down, text message sounds piped into the board because you don't know how to silent your damn phone. My phone is turned all the way down because it's connected.

It doesn't matter. It's not. You just don't know how to silent your phone. Buttons down.

He's elderly. Volume is turned all the way down. What else is there? I'm telling you, you're not doing it right.

You're supposed to protect them. Anyway, there's an Airbnb across the house. Can you give out the address? Our listeners would like to rent it.

No. And more often than not, more often than not, like there's, It's pretty peaceful, right? Like, you know, families there, whatever, you know, every once in a while, you get like some questionable people there, like, oh, I don't know about that one. But about a month ago, somebody went ahead and throw themselves a house party.

Oh! And I'm talking about cars down the street, both sides. That's a smart, first of all, this guy is epic. He went and rented somebody else's house to throw an epic party.

He's gotta be local. Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely local. 100% was local.

Yeah. We're not gonna trash our house, honey. Let's rent an Airbnb. Right.

And like, they were loud and partying out in the street till probably like... With vacuum cleaners? No. Probably like two or three o'clock in the morning.

Did you call the police? Maybe. No. How do you not think somebody's gonna call the cops?

Yeah. So then, the next morning, I saw... First of all, I let the neighbor know. The guy who owned the house?

" Oh, so you know the neighbor who owns the house? Yeah, I've been on that street for over a decade. Yeah, but you're not friendly with all your neighbors. Yeah, I like this one.

Okay. He's a good guy. Well, you used to until he rented out his house. Yeah, now I don't like him.

No, I still like him. So I sent him a video of all the cars. It was like a blockade. You couldn't even go down the street.

" So he showed up with the police and escorted the people who were left the next day out of the house. People that were left. They might not have been the original guy. Yeah, the people that were stuck with it.

Are you not allowed to do that on Airbnb? Correct. Yeah, normally it says no parties in the description. Oh, I didn't know that.

And there's like an occupancy capacity. Right. Yeah, they definitely blew that number out of the water, you know. And they were doing recreational marijuana.

Didn't in Vegas we... If they did, I couldn't smell it. In Vegas, we thought Luciano rented a house that had a dog, because it was a random dog that kept walking around the house. Yeah, but, yeah.

Did that turn out to be his dog, or was that the house dog? We still don't know. Let's just imagine that it is a dog. Airbnb dog.

Airbnb dog. Yeah. I can see it being an added feature sometimes. Sometimes I try to forget that house.

If you really like dogs. Would you like a dog? House comes with dog. Oh, honey, we rent this with a dog.

Yeah. So you have a dog for a weekend? Oh, man. Yeah, eats all your stuff.

Right. Sounds amazing. Sounds great. All right.

Something else I was going to tell you I don't remember. Oh, well. That's okay, because we're rolling into 40 minutes probably. We can't really tell because of all the chaos that we've had.

We're at 43. Well, we're not editing anything out, so it's 40 minutes. Minus some, yeah. You guys get all the bloopers today.

Yes. I keep looking at the wrong camera. Yeah. All right, into cigar news.

The newest cigar from EGM Cigars. Anybody familiar with EGM Cigars? I think you've asked me about this brand before. Have we?

I mean, I assume it's EGM. I don't know if T-Money would like to comment on the bottom and let us know. Let us know what factory they use, maybe. Made it pages, probably.

Yeah, they're called the EGM. EGM. Yeah, EGM. On Monday, February 9th, an event will be held at the Cabinet Club in Kuwait City to launch the EGM NINFA.

Oh, are we going? The cigar is called N-I-N-F-A, NINFA. The Kuwait? NINFA.

If it's an EGM, it could be the NINFA. N-I. N-I-N-F-A. The Ninfa.

The Ninfa. The Ninfa. A new 7x34 cigar, it's made entirely of three-year-old Dominican tobacco, supposedly. Super old, three-year-old.

7x34. 7x34. That's super thin. Yeah, what's that, a pencil?

Well, because they don't have a lot of three-year-old Dominican tobacco just laying around. Yeah, so it's only a couple strands. They can only do what they can do. Right.

I think they have a lot of three-year-olds. Cora Morcianelli, of Igum, told Half Wheel that the blend is secco-dominant, but there's some legero inside. It is made at an unnamed factory, maybe Pages, in the Dominican Republic. Oh, you're going to get blasts for that, because I don't think Pages is in the Dominican Republic.

I don't know where it is. I've never even heard of a Pages factory. But apparently, that's where Crux likes to make their budget cigar. 99.

However, this cigar will be offered exclusively in Kuwait for the next 90 days. Ah. And then distribution will be expanded to other markets. You think there's a big cigar market in Kuwait?

I hear there is. With the Princes? Alright, so that's where you're going next. Kuwait?

Yep. I thought we didn't sell internationally. Well, we did. Hey, you know what?

You pay the ticket. I'm going. We'll miss you. You gotta cover it.

It's gotta be... I want YouTube live the entire time. I want people to follow you throughout the whole thing. I don't want to see his staff.

What? In Kuwait? They don't like Americans. No, no, they do.

We saved them from the other people a couple of years ago. We saved them from the other people. Yeah, they were invaded and that's why we went over there for Operation Desert Storm. Oh, really?

And we liberated them. We liberated Kuwait. Saudi Arabia? Yeah, well, no, we didn't fight Saudi Arabia, Iran or Iraq, one of those two.

Iran or Iraq? Those two. " Yeah, it's run by like a prince or a king or something in Kuwait. Saddam Hussein?

It's one of those fancy little tiny countries with a lot of money. Is it? Yes. Like, what's the other one that's really hot where they do song?

Dubai. Dubai, yeah, that's one. No, not that one. Oh, not that one.

No, the other one. No, this one's really... The desert end. It's kind of linked, allegedly linked to terrorists and stuff.

Allegedly? I mean... Allegedly, I think we're pretty much... We know where the terrorists are.

Trump got a plane from him or something. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, where Trump sent all the people back? I don't know.

Iraq. " And then Trump said something and he went, "I'm sending my plane. " No. But not when either?

This is a totally different thing. I love when you have such vague information and nothing we say is right. Yeah. You know, the two old people.

The song about the two old people? Yeah. Oh, yeah, fastball. Yeah, I know those guys.

Fastball. All right, well, the Igam Nympha is a 25 count, 10 count box pictured above, oh, I don't have the picture. 25 count box? Qatar.

Guitar? Qatar. Qatar. 747-8 aircraft.

Oh, Sweeney went there not too long ago. You're talking about the country of Qatar? Really? Yeah, he was like with the Prince or whatever.

Oh, really? Prince Abu Babu? Yeah, he sold the San Pari. Oh.

Please don't get your political information from us. Yeah. It's probably in everyone's best interest. Yeah.

This is definitely going to be a torn up episode. Guaranteed. You are a bunch of idiots. Oh, the cigar.

It's a size that asks you to slow down and listen to the leaf. What's it saying? I kill you. Smoke me slowly.

Oh. Oh, is that really? That's America. Not only in 90 days.

Only in 90 days. How many were in the box, you said? I don't know. More than one, less than 100.

Right. Hamilton has designed a few accessories that are sold by Igum's parents' company. So there's some accessories apparently that go with this. Didn't Crux make like a nymphomaniac or something?

They did make a nymphomaniac. And isn't it in a smaller format? It is a thinner ring gate. You think that there would be some type of trademark infringement there?

Well, it's not nympho, it's nympha. It's pretty close. 20%. Yeah, it's not masculine.

So what you're saying is I could run up against Pete Johnson Mike Johnson and make my own cigars called the Monsta Series. With an A, yeah. He likes to sue people. No, he doesn't.

He likes to protect his trademark. Isn't that the same thing? No. As a person that just likes to blatantly sue people.

Oh, well, no, he always has a reason. He's been under fire with other companies as well. Has he lately? No, this is in the past.

I didn't do all the research on what you did. This is why you'll never get to interview him. He told me he doesn't. I don't need to.

He told me he doesn't like you. Oh, because he's short or because he doesn't like the information? Now I won't sleep tonight. Oh, wait, I don't sleep anyway.

Perfect. Last Thursday, the latest release of the Habano's essay "Agnocino Series", the Cuban Cigar Company's Chinese New Year series, was unveiled in the event in Hong Kong. Mmm. It's a triple T.

Trinidad. It's a year of the... It's outrageously priced, I'm sure. Oh, let's find out.

The new cigar is a Trinidad Corsell, a five and three-tenths by 55. Three-tenths, huh? Yeah, five and three-tenths by 55. Parejo with a pigtail, a new Vitola called Patricios.

Okay. Apparently, I said it incorrectly because our Hispanic friend over here giggled. Gave a chuckle. Gave a chuckle.

Patricios. But in the Cuban Vitola naming system, of notes, these are the same dimensions as the Que D'Orsay, number 54. But that cigar does not have a pigtail, completely different. Que D'Orsay, patricians.

Que D'Orsay. Okay. Que D'Orsay, number 54. You are so white.

Yes. Yeah, actually, the camera makes them look super white right now. But there's no, because a different camera, we didn't change the light. The new cigar will have an SRP of, we have freedom dollars or euros.

24 euros. Well, I want to go Freedom. Uh, what do you got there, Phil? Um, let's go 30 bucks.

I'm gonna say $350. He wins. $84. Wow!

Yes! It took me a minute. I had to do that math real quick. I was way off.

Yeah, he was way off. I was way closer. Samsonite. I was way off.

Those prices will vary by market. Oh, so maybe you get closer. That's 350. This box comes with 18 cigars, features an NFC technology in the box as part of the Habanos SA, Anti-Counterfeiting Measures.

Oh, yeah. Like Saka. Yeah. That was something that Jin Chi put into.

Which, by the way, you affiliated him with STG on the previous show with Drew, and he wasn't affiliated with STG. Oh. Yeah. So, good job.

You're welcome. It's very smooth. Thank you. Did we get a comment about that?

It was, you know, Drew on here, he was doing a great job, you know, but you kind of at the helm, It's a little shaky. I'm not going to lie. I don't do interview shows. Yeah, you just start saying stuff at random.

Right. Yeah. Well, he's got to use filler. Yeah.

You got to fill the show. Yeah, then she knows Justin Andrews and they hang out together. I mean, you might as well just said that. I mean, geez.

Well, they are friends. They're tight. If you look on Facebook, he's one of his friends. Is he?

I knew it. Oh. That's not true. That is a lie.

Allegedly. Yeah, exactly. You better walk that back, buddy. He doesn't watch the show.

Hey, you never, you never know what pops up in a short clip. Oh, it's true. He did tell me the other day that he needs to start answering on Mondays. Yeah, he probably should.

Yeah. Oh, he told me that he only doesn't answer because you call. I mean, I'm sure is what he said. I said, you never answer the phone when he called and he goes, you don't call.

I respect that. It's always the other one. I mean, you know, so go ahead and give him a buzz. I don't have his number.

I told him, I don't have your number. You think he gave it to me? No, of course not. I'll give it to you.

I almost gave it to everybody else. Mitch Smith still has it partially saved. Except for two numbers. He has five of the seven numbers?

I know a couple people that actually solved it. Well, I mean, it's not hard to figure out. Yeah, it's just a couple more numbers. Ugh, yeah.

They called him? I don't know. I don't know. That would be hilarious.

They did solve it. If you have the number, call him. " Not confirming nor denying? Oh, you just confirmed it though.

Ah, yes, I did, I guess. Oh, oops. Nah, you just did. All right, it's their Year of the Horse Cigar.

I'm skipping all this. It's another Year of the Horse. Yeah, it's overpriced, it's going to Hong Kong, it's ridiculous. They're not even selling it yet.

Yeah, and it's... They probably never will. 85 Freedom Dollars, and it's got an NFC to confirm that it's some Cuban piece of garbage. They're waiting until Chinese New Year, which starts on the 17th.

Yeah, allegedly. There you go. No, it does start in the 17th. On February or March?

No, that does start in the 17th. Oh. Salm Cigars is a new cigar that marks a first for the relatively new company. You know what the first is?

This is their first cigar. That's exciting. And it's a limited edition cigar that will be offered in a lone 6x52 Toro, finally a normal size. It's the first time the company has released a blend that is made entirely of Nicaraguan tobacco, centered around a 14-year-old wrapper.

From Esteli, we just placed atop a 7-year-old binder from Jalapa, there are 4 fillers tobaccos, a Condega Viso, Esteli Seco, Jalapa Seco, Jalapa Viso, alright, each cigar, how much do we have? Just Freedom Dollars is all we got. I mean, there's no, whatever, 20 bucks, 16, 30, I win, hahaha, you went the wrong way, booty, or Philly. 30 for their first cigar?

First cigar that's made this way. He sourced two bales of a 14-year-old wrapper for a project, but after strict sorting and rejection, the usable yield only supported 1,100 cigars. Well, that was short-lived. That's why the price is so high.

That's why it's $30. The blend is a one-off limited edition. It sounds like it got rolled. It does, doesn't it?

Yeah. like he went and he bought these oh these are very good 14 year old tobacco right there two bales just for you some guy starts going through this is complete shit there are holes in this what is this only 14 year old stuff was on the top if only people understood how it actually worked in some of these countries alright now it's time for what's the score I'm sorry, he named it, he named the cigar after his daughter. Uh, we forgot to make it. Okay, we gotta, we gotta try that again, that was sad.

Alright, now it's time for the industry's favorite game, What's the Score? Oh, I think Ricky chimed in over here. Yeah, very nice. Alright, first, this is the only cigar, because it's a one-day minigame.

From February 2nd, 2026, Brooks Whittington, it's a Costa Rican cigar, limited edition review of the Daughters of the Wind Pony Express. What should we name the cigar? How about Daughters of the Wind Pony Express? I love it.

Great idea. That had to be a Chad GBT then. Score, gentlemen. I went first twice yesterday because of that.

No, you didn't. Yes, I did. Yeah, you did. You went first both times.

Because of that, I had to end up in a tie. Okay, I'll go. 75. I'm going to go 84.

Alright, the cigar reviewed is Daughters of the Wind Pony Express, it's from Costa Rica, it is in Ecuador and Habano, Binder, Costa Rican, Nicaraguan filler, Dominican Republic, and Peru. Okay. It's a 6x48 pressed, and they smoked, oh my word, it's a Redux, they smoked one cigar. It's a Redux.

So they did it once and thought, you know what we need to smoke again? The Wind Pony Express, the Daughters of the Wind Pony Express. Yeah, let's see if it gets to 75 again. So are they digging through the humidor and they find one or did it so good the first time that we should do it again?

You know, what do we should do, Charlie? I don't think that's why they redux it. I think it's like best to try it one more time. Usually the interpretation.

Here's a nice piece. So I'll go 75. I think he has to always go first moving forward because his numbers are so obnoxious. You think it's obnoxious for this cigar?

Because, like, I throw a number out, and he's like, ooh, shit, 84. And he's like, he'll say the same number. You don't want to say 75? No, I'm not.

I'm going to stick with 84. You got a couple more tries. I'm going to wait for cocoa nibs, and then I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. There's no cocoa nibs on a horse.

Yeah, he said 75. Oh, I didn't know he said it again. Yeah. All right.

From rich milk chocolate sweetness to a cocoa nib to roasted peanuts, espresso, maple syrup, Creamy Cedar, Graham Cracker Sweetness, and Nutmeg, the cigar delivers layered, evolving flavors that stay engaging from start to finish. I'm going to go higher now, since that is in there. Well, because Coco Nibs is dropped. 87.

I know how he likes his Coco Nibs. Do you see how I made all those comments? Yes. And then I mentioned that, and now all of a sudden.

Now he's up a little. 85. Make what comments? Several.

I made several comments. But we know when he says the word coco nibs that he's, you know, in love with the stripper thing. Like he's loving the cigar. He's in love with the stripper thing?

Did he say stripper thing? Yeah, like the song. I'm in love with the stripper. I'm in love with the stripper.

I know that song. Yeah. Phil's trying to use his brain. The cigar starts with a firm roll, perfect draw, resistance, a clean burn line through most of the smoke, It produces copious amounts of smoke, showing high-quality craftsmanship overall.

Not my phone. Yeah, he's another one that, I don't know how he saw, it's my watch. My watch. Yeah.

The construction was good. Oh, well. Yeah, yeah, he's in love with it already. Like I said, it could be the worst cigar in the world.

Yeah. As soon as he gets a hint of cocoa nibs, I think, he's all over it. Oh, cocoa nib. Yeah, 87.

86. While construction is strong early on, the burn becomes uneven enough in the last third to require touch-ups with a lighter. He does not like those. What else would he touch it up with?

A match? Match? A magnifying glass in the sun. Slightly hurting and otherwise polished smoking experience.

Oh, bad experience because of the burn line. 85. 86. All right, final thought.

When I started doing Redux reviews for my old Smoke and Stogie site, one of the predecessors to Half Wheel, my thought process was fairly simple. Document how a cigar's profile changes over time. Usually that meant taking a cigar that, for whatever reason, didn't live up to my expectations and seeing it got better. Seeing if it got better.

Oh, so we answered our question, why did they do it with Redux? There you go. However, there are also those cigars that are excellent when first smoked They get even better after aging more, and the Daughters of the Wind Pony Express is a perfect example of the latter. The core tributes that made it a winner the first time around, including rich and layered flavors, wonderful balance, and excellent construction, remain in place.

But the flavors have changed to include roasted peanuts, cocoa nibs, coffee beans, and creamy cedar, along with both maple syrup and graham cracker sweetness on the retroil. After more than five years of age, this remains an extremely enjoyable cigar. Somebody's calling. And at this point, I really wish I had more of them to smoke.

I didn't grab the score. He really wishes he had more of them to smoke? He wishes he had more of the Daughters of the Smokin' Hazy whatever. Because he liked it?

like it with all the daughters of the wind 87 i'm gonna go 88 and win this thing one second drum roll please what are you doing no i love you more i said i didn't no i said i didn't grab the score Oh, you didn't grab the score? Well, Phil's got it for you. You can look it up. Yeah, it's 87.

I got it right here. I win. What did you say? 87.

88. And what did? 87. 92.

He said Coco Nibs. He said Coco Nibs. You said when he says Coco Nibs, it shoots it up. I told you I was going to just go slightly above you and win this thing.

We don't even know who made this. Brooks. No, Brooks didn't make this. The cigar.

Oh, he made the cigar? Yeah. I don't need you to look right here. Dude, what did Post-90 get?

What do you want, the factory or the company? Which one? Any of them. Did anything get a 92?

San Andreas got a 91. So they're saying that this cigar is better than the San Andreas? I mean, it's hard to compare. Yeah, they don't compare them that way.

Oh my, come on. You can't say this one got a 92, this one got a 93, it's one point better. They grade each cigar on its individual performance. Right.

It's not a comparable. Yeah. That would be too hard to do. But there's a scale.

There's a scale. No, there's not really a scale. Like that SBC got an angry 82. That's crazy.

We might have caught him on a bad day when he didn't have teriyaki. Yeah. That's Charlie. Right.

Charlie reviewed that one. Oh. I love how we just assume that Charlie is eating Chinese. He mentions teriyaki in many of his reviews.

He does. Yeah, that's not Chinese based. It's just the fact that he uses teriyaki a lot. Bro.

You're racist. Okay. I'm not commenting on that. He is.

He's racist. You're racist. I'm not racist. He's a racist one.

He's the one doing the racist comments. I'm not racist. He makes the news. They're racist things.

I'm not racist. Yeah. I think you're racist, Phil. Phil's racist.

No. Phil is so racist. I love a good joke. He's so racist.

And he's homophobic, too. He's definitely homophobic. Yeah. I don't like homos.

Hey, just so everybody knows. I don't like homos. We need a guest host that is flamboyant. Yes.

Do we know? First of all, no. I'm not coming up there. I don't know what the correct word is at the moment, but I know a couple retailers.

Do you? Yeah. Oh, I know one. I'll be there.

I'm not going to say. I don't know if I'm outing. I don't think I'm outing. This episode's gone.

So, on a more serious note, make sure you check out our Patreon, we did interview Scott Pierce, and we asked some serious questions about the CAA, and his answers were so long. I don't know if he answered your question. He did. Did he?

Okay. 100% did. He's so smart with those answers. Yeah.

So, jump onto our Patreon at Cigar Houses Podcast and support us and get some really, really good information about the cigar industry, as well as some good cigar reviews. And that's all I got. You have anything else to add? This Friday, I'll be at Island Gyms in St.

m. for a large Powstanie event. Come see me. Island Gems.

And Phil, where are you going back? Germany? Is it time to go back and check your favorite club? Oh, no.

I have to go work. So he'll be out at the racetrack here in New Smyrna pretending he's a race car driver. Yeah, with my Warbear beanie. The only one in existence.

If you can get it off his head, you can keep it. $500. No, they can just take it from you. Yeah.

They can outrun you. There's a bounty now on the one beanie. It was like 29 degrees out there last night. Alright, guys.

That's all we got. We gotta go. Bye. Thanks so much, guys.

Bye. Thank you.

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