ACHP 510 They Said It Wasn't Possible
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Welcome to Cigar Hustler podcast
episode 5-10.
I'm Mike Palmer, your host and
on today's show we are taping an
industry first mobile show.
We're driving from the peace.
We're driving to the PCA from
Orlando, FL to Newark.
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around the car.
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From from Orlando, FL to the
north, why'd it go?
Where are we going?
Where are we going?
Why is mine flashing?
It's still flash, it's
recording.
We're gonna die with me today.
We're probably going to die.
We're going to die.
I have Greg.
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I'm in the back seat.
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Oh yeah, hi guys.
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middle with no seat belt so that
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expect Mikey get out of my way.
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Driving surprisingly.
You took the first shift.
Well, because you're old.
It's daytime.
And and he's a terrible driver.
No, we don't let him drive.
Greg does not drive.
I should be driving.
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today's mobile show.
We have a fire at the Orlando
Convention Center fire Stick
lawsuit carnival has over served
a guest and they're going to pay
for it now then it's cigars.
Some fat guys need some more
need more money than a portal
entry and someone else is
releasing a Sumatra cigar.
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look at where you're putting the
mic 'cause you're like I I need
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that.
We'll be fine.
Greg, let us know if we're going
to hit anything, OK?
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lucky he's not in the bag,
especially after going into the
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on with the show Did.
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film.
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All right, now the news.
Ultra Beauty show booth catches
on fire ahead of the Orange
County Convention Center event.
So last night the they're
getting ready to have a big
beauty convention because
Orlando is one of the options
for a future PCA event.
Thank you.
And somehow the Ulta booth
caught on fire at 3:00 in the
morning.
They have not said why yet, but
it did burn up the entire Ultra
Beauty booth and maybe possibly
one on the left and one on the
right.
OK.
But we have no idea why it
burned down.
They are not.
They are still having an
investigation.
Should have paid us more I.
Mean at 3:00 in the morning they
had to have left something on
I'm guessing.
Like a curling iron or
something.
Bright light, curling iron.
I don't know what all they offer
in the beauty.
Do you shop at Ulta?
My wife does.
I have been there.
I get yelled at for playing with
this stuff.
What stuff do you play with when
you go to Ulta?
Just about everything.
Smell all the perfumes, click
the curling irons and things you
know.
Yeah, yeah.
And then my wife yells at me or
the lady tells me to stop
touching things.
It stopped.
Well, you should probably stop
touching things.
Greg, What about you?
Do you shop at Ulta?
I have no idea what that is.
Does your wife shop at Ulta?
I don't think that she does.
I know what's going on here.
Oh yeah, the car.
The car is probably mad that I
was veering or something.
What's like the Well, the now
the the car and the car or the
camera?
The camera.
What camera?
I don't think it's the camera,
sounds like it's a car.
The car knows that you're
filming a podcast and it's
alerting that the car is.
The car is concerned.
The car is.
Just in the sprinkler system
went off and put the fire out at
3:00 in the morning.
So Can you imagine going to a
convention and setting up a
booth and then being ready to go
for the next day and then coming
in and it being set on fire and
like it's totally destroyed?
Mean like at the PCA couple
years ago.
Well.
That's what I was leaning
towards like, you know, because
we're actually on our way to a
convention, ironically enough
here.
And Can you imagine if something
like that happened to us?
Like if Because that did happen
to AJ Fernandez, right?
Correct.
Didn't it get the watchtower wet
or something too?
The JC Newman, the Newman Tower.
Yeah.
I'm not sure I can.
I don't, you know, I can't.
I'm not 100% positive on that.
But yeah, I mean, that's got to
suck.
You take all that time and that
energy and you build something,
you set it up, you're ready for
sales and then it.
Burns down, right?
I mean, it starts today, yeah.
The show's going.
The show's still going to happen
today.
It says no delays are expected
and everything's going to go as
scheduled except the Ulta people
won't be there.
What about you, Greg?
How would you feel if you built
a booth?
You worked, you build like you
build the our booth.
And then you go ahead and you
build the Roma booth because,
you know, Roma wants you to
build their booth and and you
wind up building the booth
because there's nobody else left
to build the booth.
So you built these booths.
So you built these booths, and
so you built these booths.
Thank you.
That one was close.
No, it wasn't.
That was.
That was not close.
Yeah, but that.
Don't worry.
It's going to add to the show
when the camera falls forward
and it and I do slam.
And I'm the one that's forced
not to wear a seat belt right
now.
Yeah, you're fine.
I'm looking at, I'm looking to
double my shares in the cutting
in all companies.
What's going on?
Very fast.
So, so let's say that that
happens.
Let's say that scenario plays
out, right?
You're, you build everything
like we're going there today,
tomorrow we build everything.
And the, the event starts on
Friday and you go in Friday
morning and your booth burned
down.
What do you?
What do you do?
I feel like you still sell,
right?
You, you, you push through,
collect the insurance policy,
that's that.
You think there's an insurance
policy on something like that?
I know that they forced us to
carry insurance with the PCA.
I wonder what the payout is on
something like that.
Do we just stand next to the
pile of rubble?
Yeah, I would.
Why not?
Just pile the rubble it up and
just and you could.
Call it a fire sale.
No samples.
No samples.
All the samples went up in
smoke.
They were delicious.
They burned up.
There were samples, but now
there are no longer samples.
Yes.
OK, OK.
Well, all right, so also fire.
Got it next there.
You go.
Thank you.
Amazon Fire Stick is a class
action suit against him.
Bill Mary Wonderu filed a class
action lawsuit against
Amazon.com Inc for Amazon.com
Services because he had a third
party or a third generation Fire
Stick that no longer updated and
when it no longer updates, it
slows down or stops working
completely.
OK, so so he he filed a lawsuit
on that.
Class action.
He's got other people involved.
There's probably a lot of people
with those fires.
When they advertise it, they
never say you have to keep
buying a new one.
Got it.
The.
Software is supposed to keep
updating, but at a point it
can't handle the new software.
Yeah.
I mean, the technology evolves
to a point where.
Now what it says are the
instructions.
It just says this is great
forever.
Firestick devices that were
unlawfully disabled through
software updates.
The class action lawsuit was
filed in California State court.
Amazon are facing the class
action lawsuit alleged it
intentionally rendered older
Firestick devices unusable by
discontinuing software support
while continuing to market the
products as offering instant
streaming capabilities.
According to the complaint,
Amazon promoted its first and
second generation Firestick
devices as providing instant
access to hundreds and thousands
of movies and television shows.
OK, so let me ask you this, do
you think that this is actually
a valid case for someone to sue?
Sounds like somebody just pissed
off and thought of an easy way
to make some money.
Maybe.
Yeah.
I mean, they're they're what, 10
bucks now?
They're not even.
They're pretty cheap.
They're pretty cheap.
Go buy a new one.
Yeah, like I mean Amazon could
just say our bad and to send
another one.
Right, send them a free 10.
I'm sorry, our mistake here is a
complimentary unit because
they're selling for 10 bucks.
Will they cost a dollar?
Probably less than that, right?
I mean, listen, at this point
you can practically return
anything on Amazon, you know,
within a specific amount of
time.
Well, but if he has a Gen. one
or Gen. 2, I think they're up to
Gen. 4I.
Imagine that has expired.
Yeah, but my point is, with
three or four angry comments to
the chat AI on Amazon, you say,
hey, this is bullshit.
I want my I want a new Fire
Stick.
Somebody gets on there and says
OK, yeah, no problem, dude here,
we're going to send it to you.
Right, and he's already bought a
new one.
Let's see, he's pissed off the
old ones don't work.
So he's just, so you think that
this is just a kind of a money
grab.
He's just to determining where I
don't.
Know maybe maybe he thinks he's
trying to prove a point or
something because he says
instant access, but that's
that's why they have to put
don't drink the shampoo on a
shampoo bottle.
Right.
I mean, no one was really harmed
in this scenario.
Correct.
But this guy went ahead and and
put together the this whole
lawsuit, right?
He wasn't able to watch any of
his shows.
I can feel my deltoid getting a
good workout right now.
From the flip back and forth.
Oh excellent, just do it the
entire time.
I will.
What about you Greg?
Amazon fire stick.
Do do you have a Gen. one Amazon
Fire stick?
We come across them all the
time.
They're lying around the store,
they're at the house, they're
all over the place.
Yeah.
So yeah, we just don't use them
anymore.
OK, so then what do you do with
them?
I suppose we should probably
throw them away.
You don't keep, you keep them
for.
You probably keep.
Them.
Well, we just found one at the
store.
Remember we solved the problem
with the TV.
And it worked.
And it worked we.
Put it in the bathroom.
OK, so but you think that's
probably not a Gen. 1?
It's got to be old as shit
though.
Yeah, very.
Dirty.
Very dirty.
It's very dirty.
Put it in the bathroom, who
cares?
So it goes.
It goes in The Dirty bathroom so
it's not a problem.
The bathroom's clean, but it's
dirty, so it's not like it's
going by any food or any cigars
or anything.
Got it.
OK, you're in.
There to do dirty stuff.
There, people do dirty stuff in
the bathroom.
Well, it's, I don't know.
Are you clean, pooper?
What goes on in your bathroom
that's very dirty?
I poop.
That's it.
Pretty much.
Sounds like you were talking
about other things though.
Just because that's what you do
doesn't mean everybody else
does.
Greg, do you do dirty things in
the bathroom?
Yeah.
End of conversation right there.
Don't ask him where his hands
are.
OK, perfect.
All right, next story all.
Right.
Oh, you got a microphone?
California woman is suing
Carnival Cruise Line because
they gave her fourteen shots in
a 24 hour period.
They've already won.
The lawsuit's over.
She won.
She won.
Yes, serving released 14 shots
of tequila in an 8 1/2 hour
period and liable for subsequent
injuries she suffered while
inebriated and Miami federal
court judge ruled in Pasture's
favor April 10th and awarded
her.
You guys want to guess?
Oh my God, I saw the number so I
can't guess and I'm angry. 1/2 a
million dollars. $300,000 in
damages, according to a court
document that entered the Doc
center.
Blah, blah blah, that exceeds
the $250,000 that she asked for.
She got more than she wanted.
Wow, the woman's attorney,
Spencer Arnfeld, said in an
interview with the Miami Herald.
They gave all the information
away.
OK, so how is this not the
responsibility of the
individual?
Well, you guys are both worked
in bars.
Don't get in trouble if you
don't cut off a customer.
The argument is is as they're
consuming alcohol, they're no
longer capable of making good
decisions.
So.
OK, but like, you know, this is,
this isn't in one particular
bar.
She's on a cruise.
So was she still sitting on that
one bar this entire time?
And they just kept pelting her
for shots and shots and shots.
I don't know how that works with
multiple bars on a cruise ship.
Is it?
Is the cruise ship itself
considered one giant bar?
Or does the guy at the you know,
Blue Parrot have to make sure he
counts cigars and tells the guy
over the Red Weasel how many how
many drinks you got?
Counts the drinks, not cigars.
Because you said cigars where?
Were cigar people.
But your point is valid, it's an
impossible task.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, you can't
judge a person as soon as they
would come up.
I mean, you can to some degree.
There's probably, you know, like
if the person can't hold
themselves up, you obviously
know.
OK.
Sitting on the chair.
Right.
Right.
How about just don't be a drunk
fuck to hurt yourself?
It's.
A cruise, that's sort of what
you do.
That's yeah, that's the whole
point.
That's the whole point of the
cruise.
I think a lot of people go on
cruises to get tanked.
Especially with the unlimited
alcohol, you feel like it's a
mission.
Like, you know I paid $25 a day
for alcohol.
I'm going to go 27, right?
Right, that makes sense.
Got to get my money.
Yeah, but I'm a drunk and that
just doesn't sound like a good
idea.
It doesn't sound like fun to be
honest.
You know, it all depends on what
you do because like the first
one of the first cruises we went
on, we, I mean, we were drunk
for three days.
But and then at the end they
have like the photo booth where
they take the candid photos all
through the cruise and you go up
and you can buy your photos.
It was like the end of that
movie.
We're walking through going, who
are The Who are those people we
took a picture with?
When were we on an island?
Were we on an island?
Somewhere the movie.
The Hangover.
Yeah, it's like the hangover.
It was a lot of that was a fun
cruise.
And but you never went back and
did it again to that level.
No, you kind of do it once and
then, I mean, my wife tries but
it's not even fun if you both
aren't doing it.
So she gets tanked and you just
kind of yeah.
It was like, you can't pass out
on the edge of the pool, they
have rules, you'll end up down
in sick Bay and then they're
going to charge his money.
They charge you money when you
go to sick Bay.
Well, that's not included in the
cost of the cruise.
Sick Bay is not included.
No, no, not included.
Wow.
She got sun poisoning one time.
We got a bill.
No kidding.
I don't know what it was, it was
a huge amount, but there was
like a on call charge.
Type thing.
That's insane.
OK, so so Greg, you're would you
would you ever see yourself now
that you know what a cruise is
about or at least what Palmer
thinks a cruise is about?
Could you see yourself going on
a cruise?
No, but I never thought that I
would want to go on a cruise.
I can't.
I it's hard to this this.
Like he would he would go on his
boots.
No, he has a pair of flip flops.
He has flip flops I've seen.
Him I do have a.
Pair of flip flops.
OK, If your wife wanted to go on
a cruise, would you go on a?
Cruise.
I don't think that she's a
cruise person either.
We've discussed it most likely.
We'll probably try it once just
to confirm our perspective that
we're not cruise people.
OK.
I mean, I would totally go on a
cruise.
I don't.
I don't think I would get.
But you're not a drinker and I
wouldn't do it.
At this point I'm not a big
drinker anymore either.
Right.
OK.
Your wife won't go on a cruise
with you, Michael.
Yes, she will.
She wants.
She's afraid you'll throw her
off.
I'm not going to throw her.
Off, but it gets to a point
where there's I mean, what else
you going to do except.
Except throw your wife off the
boat.
Have a drink.
I guess.
Like what else do you do on the
boat?
Right after three to five days,
you know, like if you're on a
week long cruise, you're kind of
out of stuff to do.
You eat.
You eat and you drink.
That's really all you do, Sit by
the pool they've got sit by.
The pool shows I heard that are.
I like the shows the shows.
Apparently they're good all
right.
Well, it all depends.
Like we did the Jimmy Buffett
Cruise.
It's not a good show.
It's just people singing Jimmy
Bubba songs.
I.
Don't know I would turn off my
phone when.
You have to.
There's no signal.
Well, because you could buy the
Wi-Fi.
Very expensive.
And then I would just kind of
float for five days.
Well as as the boat.
Like in the chair?
In the, in the pool.
In the pool.
That's too many people in the
pool.
Too many people, you're asked as
the elbows in the pool.
You're not in all the.
Pools.
All the pools.
All the pools are that busy.
Yeah, man, you got kids jumping
on you in the pool, so you go to
the adult pool, but.
That van is stopping.
Really.
Right.
Oh, all right.
The best pool is on the Disney
cruise ship.
You go to the adults only pool.
Yeah, that's the yeah.
Because all those adults want to
just be quiet and they just want
to sit there in the water, see?
There you go, that'd be the one
I'd do.
You would do the Disney Cruise,
correct?
That's the best kids program
too.
There you go.
You give them your kids when you
get on the boat.
You could not see them by the
end, you know for 3 or 4.
Days that sounds sad, they give.
You a beeper.
They used to be used to be a
beeper.
I don't know what they give you.
That I don't know if I'd want to
do that.
You don't have to.
I I will tell you this, I think
that what would happen for me
though is like I would shut off
my electronics for the five day
cruise or whatever and I would
come back and it would be
something like COVID hit or
something, you know, like you
remember Jared Leto?
Yeah, yes, he did the Hiawasca
thing and the.
And then when he came out, the
entire world shut down.
Oh, that's terrible.
Yeah, that would probably be the
same scenario for me.
Like I would shut all everything
off for Cigar Hustler, Cigar
Hustler podcast post, Anya, all
of it.
And then I'd come back and
something would have burned
down.
Well, they're still TV's on the
ship and you know, CNN and that
type of stuff.
I wouldn't be watching those.
Well, they're on everywhere you
go.
I only got my news from you.
I'll call you if something bad
happens.
Oh, you can't.
I told you my phone's off.
I.
Can get a hold of the captain
can.
You get a hold of the captain.
They would make an announcement
over the intercom.
Excuse me everyone, the world
has ended.
We can't go back.
This is it that we we.
Drinks are free.
This is the We are the last form
of civilization.
US and two other cruises that
are out currently in the ocean.
So we request that you all mate
immediately, OK?
Wow.
You got to make.
You got to make people.
That's where your head goes
like.
You got to make people.
Honey, honey, I got to start
banging everybody.
I got to go.
Well, you're not drinking.
What else you going to do?
I'm floating in the pools.
You don't know what those people
doing and you're going to start
noticing like that guy's never
got out of the pool.
He's been drinking all
afternoon.
Yeah.
So then you, you know, you get
out of the pool.
He's just peeing there.
He's just peeing.
In a pool.
All right, next story.
Cigar News Oh wait, do you have
a video?
I definitely don't have a video.
Oh my God.
All right, fine, We'll move.
On thank you did.
You see this elaborate setup.
I am this this elaborate setup.
This is not going to work at
all.
We're going to have three videos
and no audio.
We'll have audio.
All right, League of Fat
Bastards announces a fundraising
round and they are worth $65
million.
League of Fat Bastards, a cigar
company focused on raising money
for men's mental health.
A lot of money is open to fund a
Open a Fund round that values
the company at $65 million.
What?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, it's true.
Earlier this month, the company
teased the fundraising round by
sending out an e-mail asking the
people we're interested.
We talked about this e-mail on
our Patreon, which went off what
is today, Wednesday.
Today's Wednesday.
Yeah, it's.
Already set up OK, OK.
Oh.
If you're interested on any
piece of the company, it has now
opened it safe.
Everybody's calling us.
I'm keeping this in.
All right, Safe Front runs
around, which takes place
through April 7th, 27th, 2027.
So they're going to raise funds
for the next year.
They're seeking to raise $1.235
million at a 65,000,000
valuation.
The company says it will spend
the money in the following ways.
Here's how they're spending the
money.
OK. $400,000 towards funding The
League, a newly launched
subscription service that
includes an online community,
events and personalized growth
plans for members.
OK, like a lot of money.
OK. $335,000 towards growing its
retail network from 150 to 500
stores.
They have free standing stores,
no cigar retails.
They're talking about the
retailers that carry League of
Fat Bastards. $300,000 for
inventory, $200,000 for staffing
in preparation for a future
Series A round.
In addition, the company will
pay Dealer Maker Securities LLC
its intermediary fees, including
8.5% of all money raised.
So what's that?
Greg?
Explain that.
Yeah, Greg, explain that to us.
Securities LLC What is what is
it?
They're getting 8.5%.
I'm going to potentially anger
people.
It sounds to me like it's a
nonprofit that is going to pay
fees to another company that is
probably owned by the same
people.
I don't even understand what it
is that they're doing.
I don't understand how they came
up with that evaluation.
I don't understand what the
words mean that they're going to
put the pieces of money towards
scroll up for the first one.
I want to just what was the
first one first?
One first one $400,000 towards
funding the league.
Funding the League.
A.
A.
Newly launched.
Newly.
Launched subscription service
that includes an online
community, events and
personalized growth plans.
So it sounds like that's their
we're helping men with the
mental problems.
For men's mental health.
Men's mental health.
For helping the mental health.
They give a portion of their
money to men's mental health.
Oh yeah, that's worth 65
million, $65 million valuation.
Yes, very valuable, yeah.
Is that American dollars?
I mean, he's from Australia, do.
We know these people.
Yeah, yeah, we know them.
Would you like to talk to them
at the show?
I'm sure you'll they'll be at
the show.
They're going to go to, but
they're going to take the bowl
like a church to every booth.
Yeah, so we got a you'd like to.
Put some money in.
Your pot so OK.
Well, he's not.
He's not English.
He's not, no, sorry.
He's Australian.
Very close.
Good day mate.
Bobby, I'm the Bobby.
Bloody.
The Australian guy, Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
We met him last.
Year.
Yeah, I met him a few years ago.
Yeah.
No.
How much did you give him?
50 bucks Hundo.
So he has his own cigar.
Yes.
Wait a second, You're OK.
So hold on, hold on.
So wait, so you're a retailer,
you're in the retail industry.
I think that you have a you run
a fairly successful, moderately
successful retail shop.
Almost successful.
I would call it almost
borderline successful.
Almost successful. 17 years or
18 years in, You know, a few
more years you might make it.
Have you heard of the League of
Fat Bastards?
No.
You haven't LOFB, but you met
him.
Yeah, apparently I met the guy.
Well, you said that he was kind,
Ozzy.
I remembered.
Him did you get, did you get an
e-mail from him by any chance?
Not that I recall.
OK.
How did he not get one?
How did he?
Not get one I don't.
Know well maybe he's not a
supporter because it said, I
understand you were all
supporters.
That's like how the e-mail went.
Right.
Clearly he's not a supporter,
doesn't know who he is, you know
who he is.
So, OK, so there was an e-mail
that went out and said, hey,
we're looking for investors.
And we, we covered a lot of that
on the Patreon, So we're not
going to reiterate that here.
However, an e-mail came out
yesterday stating that 98% of
the people that the e-mail went
to responded with, yes, they
want to be an investor.
So how many of you will you
think it's just us?
Yeah.
So how many of you will you?
How many of you will you think?
Got that e-mail?
Oh, and I don't know, it's going
to be thousands.
Well wait, if it's from the PCA
list, there's 1255 people in.
There, OK, so there's 1200
people on there.
Yes, truck. 98.
Percent, Greg of 1255.
That's a lot of bones, man.
That's a lot of people said,
yes, I'm in.
Right.
So let me.
Yeah, it's over 1000.
People OK, so let me ask you
this.
Let me ask you this, Palmer.
You're you're an experienced,
you're an experienced marketer
now for e-mail blasts, right?
Yeah.
What's the average open rate for
an e-mail that you send out?
68%, I think 6, that's high. 68%
you're like yay.
Yeah, that's high.
OK.
So 68%, over half of the people
open the e-mail.
Not every time, but yeah, that
that's probably the highest one
we've ever hit, 68%.
I got to be honest, I think
you're getting that number
wrong, but I'm going to go with
68% I.
Think you are too.
It's the other way around.
I think it's like 32% of people
open it.
It's probably averaged 32%,
yeah.
He was looking at it as a.
Fraction as what it is.
He had it reversed.
Normally you get an e-mail blast
that says 68% of the people have
not opened this e-mail.
OK.
OK.
So, so this e-mail is stating
that there's a 98% success rate
as far as investors.
That means that everybody open
the e-mail.
Do you think that everybody open
the e-mail?
No, no.
There's no way.
No.
Well, did you?
We both did.
You opened it.
Did you?
Did you?
Are you investing?
No, I think I'm the 2% that's
not.
You're part of the 2%.
Part of the 2%, me and three
other people.
Well, that makes I opened the
e-mail too.
Yeah, and I don't have any money
to invest so.
Maybe he's not.
Do you think, Eric?
Got the e-mail.
If he's on the PCA list, he is.
I don't know.
Something's shutting down
cameras.
Camera said something and said
goodbye.
Yours is done.
Yeah.
Battery's not dead, so it
probably got hot.
Yeah, most likely hot.
Camera's hot.
Oh yeah.
Oh wow.
Well, it's sitting on the.
Take it out of the.
Sun take it out of the sun.
OK, so it's safe to say that now
we're down to two this will be a
lot easier anyways, this is this
is the 12 that was the ten.
OK.
So it's safe to say that we
don't think that the that the
statements have been accurate
that have been disclosed on on
the LOFB emails?
Maybe he's taking a little
leeway there with the numbers to
make it sound more successful.
Slightly generous, possibly,
possibly 98%.
Greg, what do you think 98% of
people wanted to invest?
Did you get the e-mail?
I did not get the e-mail and
like I said, if I did I don't
recall it.
OK.
All right, so I have debt
figures.
Tell me, tell me, tell me.
OK.
First, the minimum investment is
$500.
OK, that's reasonable.
Yeah, Yeah, that's not that.
Yeah.
All right, According to do.
Me a favor.
Take 26,000,000 / 500 real
quick. 26,000,000 Divided.
If the company is going to be
evaluated at 26,000,000.
It's value it's evaluated at 65
million.
Dollars 65,000,000 Excuse.
Me, I can't do those kind of
numbers.
That's really big numbers, all
right.
The its long term debt rose from
1.36 million at the end of 2024
to 2.01 million at the end of
2025 S.
For the most recent fiscal year,
its revenue is listed at
216,808, resulting in a net loss
of 1.12 million, up from 824,000
in 2024.
Those sounds like they might be
real numbers.
That does sound legit.
I mean, it sounds like it's
losing money.
Money, yeah, they lost 1.2
million that's.
Gross in 200 and some $1000 a
year.
Sure.
Yeah, that makes sense.
They also have their non
alcoholic beer, which has a
truck 's revenue by 10% this
year and then again by 5%,
reaching 300 million by the end
of the decade $300 million in
non you're.
Reading that wrong, just so you
know the revenue by 10 times
this year, not 10%.
Did I say percent?
Yeah. 10X.
Yeah, well, yeah, sorry I missed
some numbers.
Right.
And then I'll put another 5X
reaching 300 million by the end
of the decade.
So $300 million in non alcoholic
beer is expected to sell in the
next 5.
I mean, that's a pretty
impressive number.
Well, he's worth $85 trillion or
whatever is.
He's worth 85 trillion.
Whatever is, I don't remember.
What 65 million, OK, this is you
just going through similar.
To the 7.25 that's Scandinavian.
Oh, they're worth more money in
the Scandinavian tobacco.
Which makes sense.
Sure, sure.
No, that's not what it's that's
not what it says 72.5 that's
getting into I go paid for Alec
Bradley.
Dude, read your own words for
love of God, Scroll down.
I didn't.
Get.
That far?
Yeah.
Well, you said, oh, St.
GS worth 75,000,000.
No, St.
GS worth far more than $75
million.
They bought Alec Bradley for
around that price.
OK.
And then how about you read
instead of just scrolling?
What the hell are you doing?
You get mad by read, yeah, but
you're.
Just flipping through it at this
point, Chuck.
Just to get this over with, OK
it's fine.
The next you do not need to be
wealthy or know the right
people.
If you believe in what we are
doing, you are in the league of
fat bastards.
Says it donates 40% of the
company's profits to charities
that focus on men's mental
health programs.
So since there were no profits,
do they not donate any?
Money.
That's a good.
Question yeah, if you lose
money, how do you donate
anything if you?
Lose How are you doing?
How do you?
Donate 40% of your loss.
OK.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I don't know, maybe Adam can
explain it.
We'll see him, so maybe he can
it's.
Like to come on the show and
explain?
Your how do you make money?
How do you make money?
How does?
How does it work all?
Right, we're moving on now.
We're done.
Well, I have a question.
Where did we gather this
information from?
Half wheel.
So half wheel wrote that half
wheel covered it.
Yeah, yeah, half wheel covered.
It, but they're basically just
repeating what the guy said,
correct?
Well, all the the losses and all
that kind of stuff, it was not
in the e-mail.
They did a little deep dive and
found information.
Yeah, I mean, Charlie's like an
actual media guy, you know what
I mean?
He's a journalist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he found All in IT because
it's a nonprofit organization.
I'm sure it's easy to find.
Sure.
Right, yeah, they have papers
they have to file and stuff.
And I guess if they're selling
all that beer, I mean.
Well, they're planning on
selling all that.
Beer.
Eventually, yes, to make that
much money.
Yes, he's planning on the beer
to be highly successful.
I mean, you think beer is easier
to sell than cigars?
Not non alcoholic beer.
Is that your name?
Yep, Yep, now we lost that one.
Now we're down to 1 take.
It down give it to me I'm
cooling this one with the AC
we're.
Down to 1 again and we're at 32
minutes.
Yep.
All right, Charles Gibb has been
named CEO of Tablo Calera USA.
Tablo Calera USA is named
Charles Gibb as its new CEO,
replacing Javier Estedez Sayez,
who was served in the role since
2015.
I've noticed that AS started in
a very similar role in early
2011.
Gibb takes over as the head of
one of the largest cigar
companies, one that includes
Altidus USA, Cassidy Monte
Cristo Jr.
Cigars at Santa Clara Inc.
This morning, the company held a
town hall with its employees to
announce the change.
Gibbs most recently served as a
CEO of Whistle Pig, the Vermont
base distillery, from June 2025
through February.
So he's a liquor guy.
They're bringing in another
liquor guy to run a cigar
company.
We're starting to see a few more
of the of.
This is becoming common.
This is the trend now.
If you used to run a liquor
company, you can obviously run
the cigar business.
It's.
So I guess the argument is that
the correlation, what I'm sorry,
it's a big nose.
So we're obviously seeing some
some correlation between liquor
and cigars.
People believe that if you're
part of the liquor industry,
then you can.
Then you have the ability to
sell cigars.
Yes, he also spent eight years
at Fever Tree USA, company that
makes club soda and other
mixers.
So he went from mixers to liquor
to cigars do.
You think it goes the other way
around?
I don't know how.
If you know how to run a medium
sized liquor company, you can
run one of the largest cigar
companies.
The thing is that they share the
same customers.
The problem is, is what is it
like 40% of the populace consume
alcohol but 3% consume cigars.
So when they move over from
spirits to cigars, they simply
say, where's all the fucking
money?
Right.
Where are all the?
People right?
That's kind of like what the FDA
did.
Like hell we're going to, we're
going to tax weight.
Where's where's the money?
There's no money.
Where's the money?
There's no money.
All right.
Pablo Cole, who has served as
CFO since August 2015, decided
that he did not like this.
He left the company.
He left disgruntled.
Well.
Possibly.
Allegedly.
Possibly.
More than likely, Sort of.
Maybe.
He wanted the job.
I I, well, yeah, he was doing
the job and now this guy came
in, or maybe he thought he was
getting the job.
They bring this guy in from
Whistle Pig and I'm out.
He took his his ball and went
home.
Right.
He left.
He's been there since 2005.
He thought he had it. 20 years
of dedication 21 years 20.
One years, they're going to put
them, they're going to make me
the boss.
Here we go, introducing the new
boss.
Not you.
Yeah, I'm.
Leaving.
That's kind of rough.
OK.
Last year, Tumor Capital, my
last year Tumor Capital Middle
Eastern private equity firm
acquired A controlling interest
in Tavicle area, you say from a
group of East Asian investors.
Simultaneously, Chen XI, the
lead investor of the group, was
placed under no way yes, placed
under sanctions by the American
government over an accusation,
accusation that he was running a
large scale criminal enterprise
out of Cambodia.
It's where you run all your all
large scales.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Criminal Enterprises While
Tabaclara USA is not a target of
the investigation, Chen Z's
various companies have been
placed under sanctions,
including the company that owns
the Tabaclara de Garcia and
Florida de Copine factories.
Cabbaclair USA was the largest
client for both factories but
isn't able to purchase cigars
from either.
As such, the company has been
moving production of blends to
other factories owned by AJ
Fernandez, Placentia and others.
But mainly AJ and Placentia.
Well, it's only AJ.
More AJ than Placentia.
Only AJ well Placentia has
changed the logo.
They can't find the factory.
They don't know where it is.
That's not the sign.
Keep going.
That's not the sign.
That's the wrong leaf up there
on that sign.
It's.
Totally different leaf.
Totally different.
I got one of these working, I
just don't know how to start
recording.
That's all right.
At this point, it's OK.
Yeah, it's OK All right.
All right.
Emilio Suave.
OK.
It's getting in a limited
edition Sumatra cigar.
It's coming after.
US.
Emilio Suave's brand will be
getting in a new wrapper option,
though the release will be quite
limited.
Very small.
It's.
Only a little bit.
Just a little bit.
Just a little bit.
Emilio Suave Sumat.
Oh, I thought he'd laid down.
The Emilio Suave Sumatra uses a
wrapper from Indonesia and
Ecuador in a panel binder and
fillers from Nicaragua.
On debut it will be offered in
two vitals, the Emilio Suave
Sumatra Robusto A5 by 50 and
Emilio Suave Sumatra Toro A 6 by
50.
Again, people are just calling
them names into whatever sizes
they want.
Do what we want to do with the
cigar industry.
That's.
Right.
Both vitals are limited to 250
boxes.
Emilio's brand is owned by LJ
Zuka, but James and Angela Brown
the Black Label Ova Negra
handle.
Oveja Negra.
Oveja negra is what you're
saying?
That is not what you said.
It's close enough.
Not even remotely close.
Branding and distribution of the
brand the new suave Sumatra will
be showing off the retailers
this week at the 2026 PCA
convention and trade show in New
Orleans.
Our press release says they will
ship later this year.
Wow, that's where we're going.
We're.
Going to be there.
We're going to be there.
We're not near them this year, I
don't think.
Greg, are you excited about the
Emilio Suave Sumatra?
I think it's going to be better
than Sumatra you.
Made 250 boxes of each vitola.
Yeah.
Super small.
Yeah, it's a small run.
Are you going to smoke it?
No.
No, you don't really smoke
cigars.
He's very.
Particular he smokes the same
cigars every day at times.
It's pretty accurate 11:00.
Time for this.
One, yeah, that's pretty
accurate.
Time for this.
One right?
And he walks around all day
going where's?
My secret there, there used to
be a time where I like to try
different cigars, but that that
doesn't happen so often now.
That part.
Of his life is.
Over.
Why do you think that is?
He's very endorsing.
You just keep the microphone on.
Yourself.
That'd be fun.
And we're going to die.
Here it is.
Oh God.
We're fine.
Oh, oh, that was.
Close.
That was a hit the help button
on.
The iPad, well see, he got so
scared he moved out in front of
us.
We're fine.
What?
Are they doing an iPod or
whatever?
An iPod?
What are they doing?
An iPod?
They're.
Doing a podcast over.
There Alvaja factory shut.
Up I have to be.
Yeah, no kidding.
It's been 3 hours.
That's a long time that's.
What I'm saying?
All right, now it's time for the
industry's favorite mobile game.
What's the score?
You can't look at it, Greg.
No cheating.
And you know, I would too.
Yeah.
All right, you got to face the
other way.
Shit, I got you.
I got you.
Let me work.
You're good.
You're good, just let it happen.
We're going to.
Fucking die.
It's going to be fun.
February 10th, 2015 Patrick Le
Greed cigars drew a state.
Keep it that way I am.
I'm not looking.
I'm not looking.
Look another review mirror.
Now I'm not looking.
Limited edition Nicaragua
reviews Underground Shady 15.
80. 15 Underground Shady. 15
Patrick Legrade. 85 Triple G.
86.
All right, it's the underground
shady 15.
Country of origin is Nicaragua
factory La Grande Fabrica.
Drew Estate is now called Sans
Estate.
No, no, it's a totally
operational.
Yeah, it's a different company.
I thought maybe the name wasn't
really drew of the factory too
maybe?
Yeah, no, you're saying that
they upgraded it like, hey, by
the way.
By the way science factory
rappers Mexican San Andreas and
Negro binder Connecticut River
Valley stock cut and cured sun
grown oh Habano oh nice Phillip
Brazilian Montefina Nicaragua
Habano.
It's a 5 by 50 Bellacoso sells
for 999 and they smoke free.
What did we say as the cops
would be in the.
Bucket 85.
Sticking with 86.
Is he in handcuffs?
I don't know.
He might have been in handcuffs,
I think.
He was in handcuffs all right.
Clue #1 the underground Shady 15
sounds like it really delivers
on the flavor early, especially
with that rich mix of earth
pepper, barnyard and smokehouse
style notes.
Comes across as a bold, layered
cigar with a lot of character
and the aroma profile sounds
especially impressive. 88. 86.
One of the standout strength
seems to be how visually unique
and memorable this cigar is.
Between the dark wrapper, sharp
color scheme and that notably
flat press shape, it sounds like
a cigar that immediately grabs
attention and offers a different
experience from the start. 89.
Sticking with 86.
The biggest downside appears to
be the consistency and
performance and progression.
Wow.
The first third sounds strong.
The cigar seems to lose some of
its complexity later on, and the
multiple relights plus waviness
in the burn take away from what
otherwise sounds like a very
flavored, flavorful smoke. 88.
Sticking with 86.
Final thought, Lower Lake City.
As soon as I lit up the
underground shady 15 I had
Really.
High no cheating.
I'd really high for it.
I knew I like the blend up from
previous experiences with the
regular underground line as well
as the Corona Viva, and while
the first third was an
incredible tour of what the
cigar had to offer, it feels
like it put its best offerings
too early.
The 2nd and final thirds were
very enjoyable, but didn't offer
nearly the complexity or change
that I found in the first third,
leaving it to be one of those
cigars that would enjoy but not
necessarily savor or crave.
It's a hard for me to say these
are particularly better than the
other vitolas in the underground
line, and as such seem regulated
to being a treat for those in
the Detroit area or who want to
put in the effort to get some
for themselves.
OK. 88. 87. 81 Greg wins.
Sparklers OK you have anything
else to add Nope OK hey we
didn't die two cameras did but
like and subscribe we're
reviewing and listening and
thanks so much for your support.
I hope we gave you some
entertainment today it.
Was fun for everybody.
We'll see you at the PCA.
See you at the PCA.
Bye bye.
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