ACHP 571 Snake? I hate Snakes!
Episode Summary
Episode 571 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast finds Mike Palmer and Greg "Triple G" in the studio with a first-time guest engineer, Charles Goff of Rooks Coatings, filling in for the day. After running listener comments and plugging CHPod swag and the Patreon "inside baseball" feed, the guys work through their usual batch of strange headlines: an Arizona toddler pronounced dead after a backyard pool drowning who was later found breathing in the hospital's cold room (and the negligence questions aimed at both doctors and parents), a rising drug-resistant shigellosis outbreak in England, and an Idaho man bitten twice by the same rattlesnake in Oroville, California, who required more than 50 vials of antivenom, an airlift to Stanford, and a GoFundMe. The hosts break down the real-world cost of CroFab versus Anavip antivenom and arrive at a rough quarter-million-dollar tab.
The cigar news segment starts with Patina Cigars teasing a Red Pill Sumatra — a Sumatra-seed Oscuro-wrapped version of the Red Pill line, which normally uses a Mexican San Andrés Oscuro wrapper over Connecticut broadleaf binder with Nicaraguan and U.S. fillers, all made at Nicaraguan American Cigars S.A. (NACSA) in Estelí. Conor McGregor's Notorious Cigars has begun shipping Unapologetic (U.S. Connecticut broadleaf wrapper, Ecuadorian Sumatra binder, Dominican/Nicaraguan/U.S. filler) and Crème de la Crème (Ecuadorian Connecticut shade wrapper, Brazilian Mata Fina-style binder, Colombian/Dominican/Nicaraguan filler), both rolled at the MJ Frias factory in Santiago. AG Cigars' Alejandro González Arias also launched the Legendary Moments series with sticks built for Jamie Foxx and Ray Lewis, using dimensions tied to their height, age and jersey number — with Lewis leaving a previous Rocky Patel-made line behind.
The guys then preview the 2027 Puro Sabor Festival in Nicaragua (Jan 25–30, $3,000 per person, factory visits ranging from Aganorsa and AJ Fernandez to Drew Estate, Joya de Nicaragua, My Father, NACSA/Dunbarton Tobacco & Trust, Oliva, Padrón, Perdomo, Plasencia and Rocky Patel), and discuss their own upcoming August trip to Estelí. The show closes with a round of "What's the Score?", where the panel guesses halfwheel's rating for the Camacho CLE Limited Edition — a Honduran perfecto from Tabacos Rancho Jamastran that reviewer Brooks Whittington praised for construction but panned for a palate-destroying metallic note, ultimately putting it down. Charles wins with a 60.
In This Episode
- 01Intro, Swag and Listener CommentsMike Palmer and Triple G welcome first-time engineer Charles Goff of Rooks Coatings, plug the CHPod store and Patreon, and read listener comments.
- 02Toddler Pronounced Dead Found Breathing in MorgueThe hosts dissect an Arizona drowning case where a child declared dead was found alive hours later, and debate liability for both the doctor and the parents.
- 03Drug-Resistant Shigellosis WarningA look at the rising, increasingly untreatable shigellosis outbreak in England and how it spreads.
- 04Two Rattlesnake Bites and 54 Vials of AntivenomA California man survives two bites from the same rattlesnake, and the guys tally up the staggering cost of CroFab versus Anavip antivenom.
- 05Patina Red Pill Sumatra TeasedPatina Cigars founder Moe teases a Sumatra-seed Oscuro-wrapped Red Pill, with details on the original blend and its Estelí production.
- 06Conor McGregor's Notorious Cigars ShipUnapologetic and Crème de la Crème blend details, sizes and their MJ Frias factory origin, plus talk of a two-stick fight-night sampler.
- 07Jamie Foxx and Ray Lewis Celebrity CigarsAG Cigars' Legendary Moments series uses odd vitola dimensions tied to each celebrity's height, age and jersey number at $27 per stick.
- 08Puro Sabor 2027 Registration and the Estelí TripPricing, dates, participating factories and what's included in the Nicaraguan festival — plus the hosts' own August trip planning.
- 09What's the Score? Camacho CLE Limited EditionThe panel guesses halfwheel's score for an aged Camacho CLE Limited Edition perfecto that was praised for construction but put down for a metallic off-note.
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Transcript
There you go. Recording. Action. Nope.
Nope. One. The bomber. Down at the bottom.
There we go. Welcome to a Cigar Hustler Podcast. This is a podcast where cigars are just a starting point. Join me, Mike Palmer, along with the famous Mr.
Triple G over in the hot seat. I'm always here. And an engineer making his first time appearance, Mr. Rooks Coding, got to you, Charles Goff, filling in as the engineer for the day.
I love how we're just like randomly taking people in and bringing them into the show. We've talked about them on the show before, though, and give them a little plug for Rooks Coding. Yeah. Which we can say.
Right, yeah, we can say that. We can say that. Rook's Coding. Something in my mouth.
Nice. As we dive into the latest cigar industry news, sports, current events, business, and whatever crazy stories are making headlines, some crazy stories today. There's nothing about raping dogs, please. Um, maybe?
Oh my God. Oh my God. Whether you're a seasoned cigar smoker or just looking for entertaining conversation, expect honest opinions, plenty of laughs, and a few unexpected detours. I've got the detours along the way.
I had it set up for somebody else today, so. On today's show, better double check that. I have an STD, and I'm going to poop myself. Oh my God.
Look down when you're walking, always. And then in cigars, we've got some new cigars coming out. I forgot to finish that off, so there's just cigars. There are cigars.
We will be cigar news. All right, Charles, how do we get some of that CH Pod swag? CHPOD swag, my friend! com.
Right now, when you buy two shirts, you'll get 40% off the second one. And if you spend 100, you'll receive free shipping. Be sure to check out the brand new "You Went The Wrong Way" BDB t-shirt. It said right there, pause before you say this.
I know you, that's what you wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was written for me. A lot of dots.
It's available now and already getting a lot of attention. Yeah, there's some upstairs I'm shipping today. Well done. They actually turned out well.
They turned out good. I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. Very nice.
Alright, keep going, Charles. com, A, Cigar Hustlers podcast. That's where we deliver the inside, dive into the baseball. Inside baseball.
Inside baseball. I can't see the phone. It's too far. Oh, sir, you're sitting by yourself.
There you go. There you go. The cigar industry talk about what's really going on behind the scenes and cover the stories we can't always fit into the regular show. Now, here's Palmer with the comments.
Well done, sir. Well done, well done. Very good. All right, we got a comment from the Cigar Guys.
Make cigars great again. Hashtag M-A-C-A. Because he was wearing the hat. He was wearing the hat yesterday.
Well, it's from him. Oh, he's making the comment. He's making the comment. About himself.
About himself. Yes. About the show. Yes, you know, like I do about everybody else.
That he plugged his thing, that he's not allowed to plug because we can't say that word. Correct. That's amazing. Correct.
All right. All right, from iHeartGG. Okay. Another amazing episode with the great Triple G, Cigar Guy Alex, and the legend BDP.
It's very nice. Thank you. Very nice. Triple G.
From this guy at Rooks Coding. I watch this podcast every Saturday, and then I watch the Cigar Guy podcast if I have free time. That's not what it said. That's exactly, I'm reading it right here, it's exactly what you said, exactly.
I love it, love it. Alright, Alex said, tell Carney I said hi, we can't, he went to Miami, he's not here today. He's not here, unfortunately. CW6363, what a Cigar Hustler, Cigar Guy crossover with Alex Triple G and iHeartBDP.
BDP, Friday can't get any better. Just can't get any better. He's a big fan. Then from iHeartBDP, the world-class BDP carrying the show with the great Triple G, no mask-wearing, hold on, this gets long, no mask-wearing nonsensical clown, no brow-beating basement from the peanut gallery, oh, beratement, sorry, from the peanut gallery, the shows who the stars, this shows who the stars truly are.
Wow. Wow, they're pretty angry. - Pretty angry. - Kinda heavy right there, alright.
" - Oh, I didn't know that. - I didn't know that. - I know that DoorDash does that shit. - Do they really?
- Yeah, so like, from time to time, like, I'll pay for Steve's lunch, right? - Right. - And I don't have a DoorDash account, so I'll like, "Hey, just put it on my card," right? 99?
99. Oh, really? Because he uses your card on his account. Right, but then I have to contact my credit card company and say, "Hey, you've got to dispute this," and it's a big long thing, all for $10 bucks.
So like if I have my credit card and my wife's credit card, and I use DoorDash sometimes when I'm on the road, so company's credit card, will all three get hit for $9 bucks? I haven't seen yours unless, I mean, it's possible. I could dig into it. I just know that I personally got screwed with DoorDash a fistful of times.
Gotcha. I don't know if it's standard operating procedure. All right, we got another one from Rooks Coding on a different show, but he put it up yesterday. I love this podcast.
Keep up, guys. I look forward to the early morning show when Mikey's not on. Again, did not say that. You need to cut to you.
You need to show your face. I did not say that. That's what they say. I'm just reading them.
You don't need to be held accountable for what you said, sir. He can see the comments. I'm just reading them, Charles, I don't know what to tell you. He's reading them verbatim on this recording that is going to be out there in the ethos forever.
Right. No, no, no. I can edit comments on here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, I guess we're on with the news now. Oh, I lost the remote. All right, a toddler discovered in a backyard pool in a Phoenix suburb, this happened back in February, but just now making the news, was declared dead. He drowned in the pool.
Hold on. But later, he was found breathing at the morgue. Oh, wow. Yes.
Zombie baby. Hours later, in the room that serves as a hospital morgue, according to recent release police records, two Gilbert police officers saw possible signs of life multiple times, but the child was still taken to the hospital's cold room after being treated by staff, according to documents. Doctors said, please do your thing and let me do mine, The doctors told Arian Tutsi, told an officer a point according to the report, so apparently the paramedic said, look, we follow signs of life when we were resuscitating the child, and the doctor went, look, you do your job, I'll do mine, take him downstairs. Like, death is such this wishy-washy thing, right?
So, like, where does life end and death begins? Is it when you stop breathing? Because that's not true, the heart can keep going, right? Right.
Is it when the heart stops? Maybe, who knows, you still have brain patterns, right? Or if the heart keeps going and you don't have any brain patterns, are you dead or are you alive, right? It's a gray line.
There's a weird area. Yeah, totally weird area. But once they declare you dead, they just stop working. They do just stop working.
Yeah, but I mean, like you said, you might not actually be. Right, like for instance, if you have a pacemaker, that motherfucker keeps going, even when they declare you dead. Oh, what if it comes back on? Well, they put a magnet on it that stops it.
Do they, really? Yeah, that's how you do it. Wow, you know weird information. I was in the room.
For? For somebody who had to have it done. Oh. It was rough.
Wow. Yeah. See, you wanted to go dark. I can go really dark.
No, that's fine. m. on February 8th in response to the reported drowning. They performed life-saving measures on the child before taking him to a hospital where the boy was pronounced dead about an hour later.
About five hours later, the police then were notified that the child was indeed breathing and he was flown to a different hospital. Yeah, get him out of that one. I'm really hoping this has got a good ending, man. I hope, like, the kid makes it, he goes to college.
Well, yeah, the kid's alive now. The boy ultimately survived and has been released. Gilbert police are recommending negligent charges against the parents. It shouldn't be the doctors.
I think, I agree with you. Both parties should be held accountable. Right. What do you think, Charles?
Put the camera on you. There you go. I think they both should be held liable. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, well, apparently there was a smell of marijuana at the house when the people got there. - Yeah, no, these are not good parents. - Yeah, the back door was open. - Yeah, Todd and Bertha are not doing a good job raising little Timmy, little Timmy has got the DAC stacked against them for sure in life.
- I mean, who knows how long, they have no idea how long the kid was even in the pool. - Could have been since Tuesday, and they found him on a Wednesday. - Right, could be. All right, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office said it was reviewing the case and declined further comment on Monday.
- I don't think the doctor's gonna wind up getting in trouble for it. I think he should, but I think if he can say, within reason, these were the signs that caused me to make this decision. The hospital did a review where the 18-month-old was taken, said in a statement that the hospital conducted a thorough review of all aspects of the care provided to learn what happened and to make meaningful changes to the strength of our care. The hospital called it a heartbreaking situation.
We are so sorry. Totally. I mean, the doctor's rationale for pronouncing death was it was 2 o'clock and he had a 3 o'clock tea time. Right, exactly.
I gotta go. When a team from the local medical examiner's office arrived in the so-called "cold room," they found the boy breathing and rushed him to another hospital. Jeez. They rushed him to another hospital?
Yeah, I mean, you would think they would take him upstairs. Yeah, like you have people that are within the same building have the ability to help this child. Could have been other people. Yeah, it could have been other people who were qualified than whoever this one Mickey Mouse doctor was.
Oh, that's pretty wild. Must be a very small hospital they took him to. " That's twitching. Look at his chest, it goes up and down, up and down.
Take a look at this one. So weird, it never happens in here. Alright, Charles, you okay with this? You think they should go to jail?
Yes. The doctor and the parents? Cut to you, camera on you. There you go.
I do. Sitting over there, hiding in the engineering room. Alright, next story. A sexually transmitted disease that triggers severe diarrhea is growing an urgent public health threat.
Great. Wait, you might be okay. I am okay. I have one partner.
It's impossible to get an STD with the one partner unless the one partner is unfaithful, and I don't think that's happening. I was going to say, unless she doesn't have this one. No, that's not happening. Now with this one.
Public health threat experts have warned as cases continue to riot. Oh, it's in the UK. It's those weird people in England. It's fine.
The weird people in England. Researchers have found that sexually transmitted shingalosis, a sometimes deadly bacterial infection which has risen in prevalence by a quarter in England since 2023, is becoming virtually untreatable. Oh. Once you get it.
You're going to poop. You got it. You're going to poop. Shigalosis, a gut infection, is caused by shigalala bacteria.
Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Shigalala. Shigalala.
Like a ugulele. Like a ugulele, but shigulele. I need one more shigulele from you, please. Shigulosis, shigulosis, a gut infection is caused by shigela bacteria, a group of four, there's only four, four germs that cause diarrhea and is mainly transmitted through consuming food prepared by an infected person or touching surfaces contaminated with feces.
yeah okay so the first part about food contaminated by an infected person right they most likely have to touch their own poop not wash their hands and then touch your food right correct so it's not necessarily eating something prepared by somebody who's a carrier it's that carrier being a disgusting well they have touched something yeah yeah they have to if i have it i can't give it to you unless i get poop on my right so you got to be a pig to transport it yeah right i got it all All right. But. But. However.
However. However. Scientists have today revealed that it has been increasingly being spread via sexual acts. Ah.
The goo juice. Particularly between gay and bisexual men. This is because a bacteria can also be contracted if the individual comes into contact with feces, which can happen during, you know, fact. Yeah, I mean, you know, just use the thing as an exit, not as a fucking entrance, and you're fine.
The disease brings on intense bouts of diarrhea, often accompanied by significant amounts of blood in the stool, as well as stomach cramps, fever, and sickness. It also kills more than 20 people, and then kills more than 20 people. The disease brings on intense bouts of diarrhea, often accompanied by significant amounts of blood in the stool, as well as stomach cramps, fever, and sickness. It also kills more than 20 people.
It also kills more than 20 people. The disease brings on intense bouts of diarrhea, often accompanied by significant amounts of blood in the stool, as well as stomach cramps, fever, and sickness. It also kills more than 200,000 people worldwide per year. How many?
200,000. That's a big number. That's a lot of shit-a-losas death. Yeah.
Globally, though, I mean... I guess it is globally. Yeah. Maybe some countries, more rural...
Half the population of Deltona wiped out every year because of poop. Is there 400,000 people here? No, half the population. Oh, no, double the population.
There's 100,000 people. Oh. So double, not half, yeah. What do you think over there, Charles?
Put it on you. Put it on you. And then discuss poop. Discuss poop.
Or just say shigalosis. Shigalosis? There you go. Are you a fan of poop?
No. No. No, not a fan of poop? No, he needs to stay away.
You asked him, he's a fan of poop. Some causes of death are dehydration as a result of severe diarrhea, as well as intestinal perforation when a hole forms in the walls of the stomach or in the bowel. This is pretty bad. Not a good time.
Not a good time. If given the option, I pass. You're not choosing this as a form of death? I'm not choosing shigolosis.
You don't want shigolosis? No. And there's no treatment, so if they tell you you have it, you're just waiting. You're just pooping for the rest of your life.
A lot of pooping. Wow. Let's go back here again. It's like every time one story has to have poop in it.
Either that or some random person throwing themselves out of a fucking airplane for no reason. He went to the airplane for no reason. Oh, there was a follow-up to that. Oh, my God.
The guy who jumped out of the airplane, his parents said he was generally a happy person. Oh, God. Well, apparently not that day he wasn't. Very sad.
Yes. Okay. Let me be my brother for a second. Let's start at the beginning then.
An Idaho man visiting family in Northern California narrowly survived two rattlesnake bites, Greg. Two. Two bites. Two bites.
Same snake? Same snake, he stepped on it. I wonder who landed deep in a vein and led him to receiving more than 50 doses of anti-venom. Very expensive.
Yes, the frightening May 26th incident happened in Orville, a Butte County town about 130 miles from Lake Tahoe on the California, Nevada state line. Chris Haworth is his name, told, I don't know what SF Gate is, must be some type of news thing, he had stepped into his parents' backyard to check on the water line after some particularly wet weather, Thinking he had stepped on something sharp, he looked down and saw the rattlesnake. Never good. He suffered two bites on his lower right leg, one that described as shallow, the other that struck one of his veins.
Very bad. I went inside, my wife thought I was joking, Hallworth told the other, did I tell you why, I got bit by a snake, oh you're so stupid, you didn't get bit by a snake. What are you doing? Not a good wife.
No. Shut up, take out the trash. Yeah, shut up, did you fix the water? It did fix the water problem.
Okay, when Greg talks, cut to Greg, Charles. All right. All right, thank you, sir. Haworth told the outlet, adding that he then showed her on his leg.
Look! See these two little things that has death slowly going towards my heart? Right. Along with his young child began freaking out.
Oh my God, what happened? Look at this, like... She went from take out the trash to... How are you doing?
By the time his wife got him to the Oroville Hospital, But at the hospital hospital, he was having a reaction to the venom, including symptoms such as numb tongue, swollen lymph nodes, and trouble breathing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That jack-a-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh. Right, right, right.
They're gonna die. Holworth got his first dose of anti-venom about an hour after he was bitten, so apparently the hospital was a little bit far away. It takes time. Yeah, right.
It takes time. But that was only the beginning of the ordeal. He describes the experience as a roller coaster with anti-venom briefly relieving the symptoms, - The symptoms, only for them to return a few hours later. - Right.
- Oh, I'm better, things are doing fine. On his third day in the hospital, he developed disseminated intervascular coagulation. - That's bad. - Know what that is?
- That's uh... - With your vast medical knowledge, apparently? - So, vascular veins, coagulation, clogging and thickening. His blood was getting too thick to be pumped.
- Oh, so close. It was getting thinner. It was getting thinner. His blood was not clotting.
Oh, okay. It went the other way. That can cause a person to bleed out, SFGate reported. That must be the local news, I'm guessing.
I started feeling really sick, he said, after three days of numbness. Then I felt bad. Felt bad. I wasn't sure if I was going to pull through.
At one point, I wrote some letters to my kids to make sure they had one last letter from dad. That's sad. That's sad. In the event you get bit by a snake, Greg, I would like a letter.
If you're gonna die. Okay, so like if I have some thought where I may be dying ahead of time, you want me to write you a letter? I would like to be included in your letters. Okay.
And as such, I will do the same for you. Is there anything in particular you'd like me to say? No, no. As we're making requests?
I don't know, what should you say, Charles? Charles, would you like a letter too? You and Greg have gotten close here lately. Would you like Greg to write you a letter?
I mean, if he thinks about me, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Oh. Oh, that's nice.
Now you've got to think about it. " Now there are two letters. There's actually a third, because there is actually a letter, it's inside a safety deposit box with instructions, but none of it's inclusive to you, so I'll have to add you. Oh, by the way, tell Palmer I said bye.
That's what I'll do. I'll put it at the very bottom. That's fine. S.
, let Palmer know I said good luck, we're counting on you. I gotta go. There you go. Happy more than five.
" So, our mother has done a few of them over the years, right? She keeps changing her mind. Well, because apparently something changes. Like the location of something that was hidden under the bed is now underneath the dresser or something like that, right?
She keeps changing it? So, Mike has one and I have one, right? So, Mikey calls her up one day and she don't answer. About an hour later, Mikey calls her up again, she don't answer.
Hour later, he calls her up, she don't answer. Looks at his wife and goes, "She He must be dead. Open the envelope until we open the envelope and start to read it. I never liked you, Michael.
You were an accident. Tell Greg I love him and he's my favorite. Oh, she's here now, too, isn't she? She is here, yeah.
She's up here now. She didn't want to come be on the show? She actually was in the kids. She's with Jax, Justice, and Teddy.
Doing what? I don't know. Grandma things. Alone?
Well, I mean, Britney's there. You know Britney's not gonna... Well, she was here earlier. There were no kids in the car.
There were no kids in the car. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize she left them alone with her. I don't think that's the case.
I think that Britney's with the group. Well, I mean, Britney came by here. There was no children in the car. Maybe they were at summer camp and they get picked up at, like, noon or something like that.
Could be. Like, I know the schedule. Right, yeah. Britney's schedule, do you know how complicated it is?
She has, like, a digital board to keep everything organized. Oh, yeah, I know, I've seen it. I love that board. I tried to get one.
Adrian goes, no, we have paper. But it's super necessary, because they have a tribe, and there's so many activities. It's wild, wild. But I mean, nobody's been bitten by a snake, so maybe we'll get back to this part.
All right, well, if you want, I guess. All right, doctors treated him with platelets, sorry, pallets, with platelets and more antivenom, but three days later, the hospital ran out of antivenom. He was then airlifted about 195 miles to Stanford Hospital, where they had more antivenom. Yowza.
The incident comes amid an increase in rattlesnake bites across Southern California, with three fatalities and nearly 250 bites reported as of early July. Three fatalities out of 250-some-odd? Yes. That's not bad.
Oddwise, no, but 250 seems like a lot. We don't get a lot. Two fatalities out of 250-some-odd? Yes.
That's not bad. Oddwise, no. But 250 seems like a lot. We don't get a lot.
We don't get a lot. We don't get a lot. We don't get a lot of fatalities out of 250-some-odd? Yes.
That's not bad. Oddwise, no, but 250 seems like a lot. Two-fifty seems like a lot. We don't get that many shark bites.
No. One reason for the surge, according to the expert, is a March heat wave across much of the California increased rattlesnake activity. The Holworth family, however, noted he was bitten during a particularly wet weather, and apparently the snake's rattle was wet, so he didn't hear it. Yeah, but he had -- see, I'm confused about the two-bite thing.
Like, if I get struck by a snake once, like, I think I'd know that, right? There'd be some sort of reaction. How do you get bit twice? Well, the first one was probably the shallow one.
So, you know, you feel something, and you think, "Oh, a bee stung me," or, you know, something, and maybe... I love your argument. That's fair. Listen, have you ever been stung by a bee?
Yeah. Did you have some sort of reaction? Like, "Oh, look at this. I must be in some sort of danger.
" I don't walk around my backyard without looking down anyway. Right. It doesn't make sense. Between ants and snakes and whatever else could be there.
Yeah. This guy's out there barefooted in the backyard. That's foolish. That's foolishness.
Twice bitten. Well, the dad went out and killed the snake. Oh, good. Yeah.
Well, you've got to take a snake with you so they know what kind of anti-minimum they give you. Yeah. Apparently, they gave him the wrong kind. Ah.
Because the second hospital, much better snake stuff. Just like the first hospital that thought the kid was dead. Right, yeah, exactly. It's just not good at what they do.
Everybody's going to two hospitals now. Be like, here, if you go to fish, and then you go, uh-oh, wrong idea. And then you go, uh-oh, across the street. I'm going to stay in here.
Though he has been unable to return to his job, oh, he's a letter carrier, while he continued to recover for the ordeal. Oh, a GoFundMe has been organized to help the family with the expenses. Like he doesn't have insurance? Maybe he doesn't cover snake bites.
Alright. Okay, there's two kinds of, I looked this up. Oh, we're breaking down, we're monetizing this. I want to know how much it's cost.
It's very expensive. It's very expensive. Yeah. So, there's Crofab, which is used for most North American pit vipers, including rattlesnakes, copperheads, and cottonmouth, which he was bit by.
- Approximately $3,000 to $8,000 per vial. - Yeah. - He got 54 of them. - Yeah, I think that it's like way up there on the highest dollar amount per milliliter of liquid in existence, anti-venom.
- Right, well, you gotta get it from the snakes, it's hard to get. - Yeah, it's not easy, you gotta get the snake, you gotta get the venom. - Right, you gotta, right. So, initial treatment is four to six vials.
So, let's say, use your math skills, Greg. - What'd you say, three dimes a piece? - Well, let's go with the high end, $8,000. 8,000 by how many units?
4 to 6 under normal circumstances. So call it 32K on the low. Okay, he got 54. Okay, what did I do there?
I did 32K, which was by 4. Let's do 54 times 8. It's 400 and some odd thousand, rough? Right, so medication costs a loaner between $12,000 and $50,000.
But then they had to take him to the other hospital, so then he got the Anivip. Which is significantly cheaper. Oh, okay, that's good. It's $1,500 to $3,500.
Okay, call that three dimes. Or vice versa, or they gave him the expensive one first to run up his bill and then... Oh, that's what they do. Right, right.
Or he got the cheaper one, he got the smaller house, but maybe they don't have the $8,000. How many of the cheaper one did he get? Well, he got 54 total, they didn't say how many, they didn't give us the actual billing breakdown. Right, alright, so if one's eight and the other one's three, you call it an average of what?
Five, so five by fifty, it's still two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of- In just anti-venom. In just anti-venom, yeah. It's not all the other stuff, the uh, the stuffer's blood. Yeah, that's a really nice car.
Yeah. Oof. Yeah. Mmm.
All right, well we hope he's doing better, he can get back to passing out the mail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay away from the snakes, bud. Stay away, yeah, look down when you walk, just look down, it'll be fine.
Once bitten, stop walking towards the snake. Right. All right, now Mikey doesn't have a video today, so cigar news. Oh, that's Charles.
Do you have a video? No. Can you put the camera on you then say no? No, not for this.
No, no video. No video for Charles. All right. Patina plans at Red Pill Sumatra.
Red Pill? Red Pill. As in the opposite choice of the Blue Pill? Well, he already did the Blue Pill.
Oh, I see. Now he's doing a Red Pill. First, there was the Patina Red Pill offered in a two-box pressed Robusto and Toro options earlier this year, then the company added a third Vitola, this time a Toro that is round. Next, there will be a Red Pill with a different wrapper, Moe, how do you say Moe's last name?
Moe, Moe, my friend Moe, what was his last name? Moe, Moe, just Moe. Founder of Patina Cigars has teased a Red Pill Sumatra, he told, oh, Sumatra, he told Half Wheel that the wrapper is a Sumatra Seed Oscuro, So he said other details like Vitola's pricing and release dates are still being worked out so we don't really have this. There is no news other than there's news.
Right, other than we're thinking about doing this and that's about far. We might do this. For context, the regular Red Pill uses a Mexican San Andreas Oscuro wrapper over a Connecticut Broadleaf binder and fillers from Nicaragua and the United States. Speaking of Nicaragua, Greg, you were going to work on our trip yesterday?
I actually did begin to work on our trip. our trip. So what does that entail? Well, first it entails like us briefly discussing it with our good friend Skip.
That's already happened. That has happened yesterday. So step yesterday, your brother worked that out two weeks ago. No, he didn't.
He talked to him and Skip said that's fine. Talk to Alex. Okay, but in order to figure that out, you need dates, right? So like we have an idea of when we think it'll work.
I'm going to get with you after the show and figure out if those dates will work with you if you don't have anything scheduled. Then we correspond with Alex. Then we book the It's all gonna happen very, very fast. Oh, very, very fast.
Be prepared, you're gonna go to tobacco school. That's what happened, yes. That's what's gonna happen. Alright, like other Patina products, all three Vitolas are made in Nicaragua, American Cigars SA, and Esteli, Nicaragua.
So that's Noxa, right? Nicaraguan American cigars? Is that Noxa? I think so.
Oh, I forgot, you're not in the industry. I'm not in the industry. Well, I'll find out after we go. There you go.
Hey, you guys make Patinas cigar over here? Yes, they do. Oh, good. All right.
Conor McGregor's Notorious Cigar ships Unapologetic and Crème de la Crème. They're now shipping it. Well, we have them upstairs. We've had it for months.
Well, we're very good at what we do. I don't know. We don't normally get cigars. We're normally last.
And we got these. We got these. S. Oh, it's right.
He fights tonight. Is today the 11th? It is. As we're recording?
Or is today the 10th? No, tomorrow. Tomorrow. So when this show comes out, he will be fighting that evening.
Oh, nice. If it is returned to UFC's Octagon this weekend, Conor McGregor, maybe we should make like a two-stick sampler. Oh, okay. For tomorrow.
All right. Is it unwritten-- is it unwritten-- Charles, do you watch UFC? I do not. All right, bro, check it out.
So like, this is a show, people are talking, there's a lot of interaction. I don't, but-- First, we completely appreciate you running the board today. Thank you very much, big help. I'm not beating you up at all.
No, no, we were down a guy last minute because I was on, what do you call it, game day notice for if Carney was going to be available or not, and he was not available, so we do appreciate you filling in, but we need just, you know, a little. So let me ask you this, when was the last time you watched something from UFC? Never. Okay, never.
Never. Go ahead. When you did say when this airs on the 11th, which will be next, whatever. - Tomorrow.
Technically tomorrow. - Monday. - Oh, Monday. This airs Monday.
Oh, that's right. - Oh, it'll be after the fact. - It'll be after the fight. - Without him, we'd be lost.
Fucking calendars, you know, the whole thing. - Right. - Go ahead, so yeah. - I was thinking there was a tomorrow.
There is no tomorrow. - There is no tomorrow. That's right. It's B-roll tomorrow.
I know these things. - Right. Oh, never mind then. We won't announce there's gonna be a-- I didn't know where it was being shown.
I don't know if it's a pay-per-view, but I think it's on Paramount. - It might be. I just know that there's legality that you can't show it at the shop. Oh, that was the next question, even though it's on Paramount you can't show it?
No. If it's not a pay thing? Even though it's not pay per view, they want a different amount of monetary compensation for public space. It's calculated by how many chairs you have.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's not worth it. No. It's just not worth it.
Alright, Conor McGregor's cigar brand has began shipping two new lines, the Unapologetic and the Creme de la Creme, are the two newest releases from Notorious Cigars. The line launched by the former UFC champion, the company calls unapologetic a bold and unapologetic rich smoking experience, because of it, in case Connors watches this, it was him that said something bad about your cigar. It wasn't bad, they just used the same word to describe the same thing more than once in one sentence. S.
S. has offered four Vitolas. Meanwhile, the company says that the Creme de la Creme has a medium intensity profile that presents notes of espresso, dark chocolate, roasted nuts, and earthy spices. This blend features a shade-grown, Ecuadorian-grown Connecticut seed wrapper, a Brazilian Adaparaca binder, and fillers from Colombia, Dominican Republic, and Nicaragua.
It is also offered in four sizes. Both lines are made at the MJ Frias factory in Santiago, Dominican Republic. I say that, it sounds like it's like a game show, like you've won a prize, you are to win a trip to Santiago, Dominican Republic. They were featured at the 2026 PCA Convention in Trade Show.
I don't know what featured, I mean they had them at their booth. They were selling 'em. Well, no, they were, but featured means it sounds like this is the thing everybody's looking for at the PCA convention at trade show. I get what you're saying.
Yeah, where everybody knows it was our Sumatra that was featured. Well, we definitely featured the Sumatra. No, the whole place did. All right, Jamie Foxx, Ray Lewis are getting their own cigars.
More celebrity cigars. More celebrity cigars. It's the thing now. Well, it's been a thing for a while.
Yeah, but right now it's becoming really predominant. All right. AG Cigars, a brand owned by Alejandro González, oh it says Alejandro Alex González, I don't think it's our Alex González. Could be.
Uh, oh, González Arias, sorry. Oh, not him. Not him. Totally different.
Has two new releases made for some famous cigar-smoking celebrities. There are two new cigars released under a new series called Legendary Moments. One for Jamie Foxx, the actor, and another for Ray Lewis, you know where he's from, Greg? - Uh, boxing?
- Close. Retired NFL star. - Okay. - You got it, it was a sports thing.
- It's sad to do something physical. - The legendary moment Jamie Foxx is a five by nine-tenths? By 58? - Five by what?
- Five and nine-tenths by 58. - Nine-tenths. Okay, interesting. - That's weird.
- Yeah. - So it's almost a six. - Yeah. - Think they screwed up and it's just too small?
Call it nine-tenths. - It's an old mold. Just a little. Oh, it's a Parejo that uses an Ecuadorian wrapper over a Nicaraguan binder and fillers from the Dominican Republic and Nicaraguan, oh, and Peru.
Ah, Peru. And an undisclosed country, we're not saying. Why would they not say the one? What do you think it is?
Uzbekistan. Well, good tobacco comes from Uzbekistan. The legendary moments for Ray Lewis, again, is a six and one-fifth. Super odd.
By 52 Gordo, it uses an Ecuadorian Habano 2000 wrapper over a Nicaraguan binder and fillers from the Dominican Republic. Again, Nicaragua and an undisclosed country. They are made at the JTA Tobacco Company. Have you ever heard of them?
No. Me either. In Nicaragua. Maybe we can go by there and say hi.
We could. Sure. I'm sure we're going to be very busy, though. We will be busy.
Very busy. Yes. Very busy. Each cigar is an MSRP of...?
- $16. - Well, you always go with $16. Charles, guess what this lovely cigar cause, each of them. Two weird sizes from a factory we've never heard of with undisclosed tobacco.
From a country we don't know of. - Right. - From professional people. - We assume they're professional.
- Well, yeah. - You're so polite. - $21. Oh, so close.
He went the right way. $27. - Very nice. - Production is limited to $1,500 boxes of $10,000.
Ten cigars for each release. Are we getting these? I don't know. Then maybe Jamie Foxx will come by.
I doubt that. The unique dimensions of each cigar relate to the person. 2". Oh my god, that's why they did that.
Oh my god. For the cigar, in war number 52. Wow. Wow.
Used for the ring gauge. During his career with the Baltimore Ravens, Foxx is 5'9", And is 58 years old. Oh, my Lord. Two-fifths for 52.
I mean, it's creative. I don't know of anybody who's done that before, right? Yeah, but how do you find a mold that makes... You're not.
You're just changing the way that you're talking about its size. That's all. Yeah, it's not that hard. Yeah.
But it's creative. I'll give it to them. It's creative. I mean, okay, I get the football guy.
Yeah. You know, that's the number on his jersey. " Well, he's 5'9", we can go with that. And then, he's got no jersey, what do we do?
Well, how old is he? 58? There we go, 58 years old. I mean, if they did it for one guy, they should do it the same way for the next guy.
I mean, sure, yeah. But I guess he's not an athlete, he's just famous. No, yeah. Wow.
So, well, maybe then for Ray Lewis, Joe Lewis, Ray Lewis, whoever this is the other guy was. Maybe we do it for his age, not the number of his jersey. So there's some consistency with how it works. And then you just change the cigar a little bit longer every year as they get one year older.
I was going to say, yeah, next year it's a 59. But have no uniformity to it, like, right, so next year, alright, so we're going to add an inch to this cigar, right, but we're going to add one-tenth of an inch to that cigar. We're doing a cigar for Magic Johnson, once I shoot as you wear. Right, yeah.
Gonzalez was once known as a popular custom roller in Cuba working out of the hotel in Havana. I'm just giving up on that one. Looks like Commodore, Commodore, Commodore, I don't know, something Spanish. There he would make cigars that weren't part of the official Habano's SA catalog.
Cuba is where he met Lewis and noted cigar smoker, and after Gonzalez left Cuba and opened up a factory in Nicaragua, He started to do work for Lewis, making cigars for him to smoke and give out to events. Gonzalez told Half Wheel that Lewis wanted to expand the relationship, hence the new Legendary Moment series. Previously, Lewis had a line of cigars made by Rocky Patel. Hmm.
And now, boop, no more Rocky Patel. No more Rocky. He's making him with this guy. All right, Puro Sabor registration opens today.
Is that going on in one more day? I don't think so. That's good, I don't want to go. m.
Eastern Time on the festival's website, the festival which runs from, oh no, January 25th to the 30th, excuse me, 2027, showcases the Nicaraguan cigar industry through visits to cigar factories, farms, tobacco processors, and other facilities. There is also a portion of the trip dedicated to exploring Nicaraguan culture, which will be highlighted by a tour of key landmarks in Managua and Maseya, however, the bulk of the five-day festival is spent in Esteli, a cigar-making capital of the country and, would we say, the world. And that's where you're going to be. And it is notable for offering, well, there will be a festival, I'm sure, for my ride.
For you, Mike Palmer's arriving. The BDP, the BDP Festival, I'm sure, will be going on. At least four factories this year participating in factories. Oh, you get to pick which four you want to go to.
Cool. Aganorsa, AJ Fernandez, ASP, Cigar Box Factory, Esteli, Drew Estate, Fabrica de Tobacos, oh, there it is, Nickasueña, I didn't see it on the list originally. Well, let's, wait a minute. Oh, because it starts with Fabrica de Tobacos, like they don't get the little dot next to their name, but they have a very long name.
C. Neumann, Hoya De Nicaragua, Kay by Karen Berger, My Father, Noxa, where Dunbarton Tobacco & Trust is, Oliva Cigar, Padrón, Perdomo, Placencia, Prosencia, Scandinavian Tobacco, Tabalcalera, Villa Cuba, oh, Rocky Patel, Victor Calvo, Villager, Tenney's, will also have the opportunity to visit a fifth factory on Friday morning, should they want to see even more cigar making. Have you seen four? Do you really want to go to a fifth one?
I don't know. It's kind of nice to see the way that everybody does things a little bit differently. It's really interesting to see how some factories are super clean and well organized, and then some of them are still doing things the way that they've been doing them for however many years. Like when we went to China.
Yeah. It's just like China, only with cigars. Right, and Spanish people instead of Chinese people. Yeah, same thing.
Lunch in Esteli are held near Tobacco Farm, sometimes in curing barns or just a short walk from fields. The evenings feature group dinners with the upcoming festivals, oh, the White Party, hosted where, group wears yellow, off-white, hosted by Oliva Cigar Company at its El Fumador facility while the closing dinner, have you ever been to the festival? - No. - I think your brother went one year.
- I feel like we were in Managua for something, one time, a long time ago, and then went to Esteli. " Somebody left one at Skip's Factory, so I got a backpack. Oh, very nice. Did not work as well as it looked.
It's nice. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's okay. He's still got it though.
The closing dinner on Friday will be once again held at the Rufio Marin Stadium, home to the Real Esteli baseball team. Is that Real, I'm guessing? Not Real? Yeah.
It makes more sense. A club also known as Trin de la Norte. Pricing is set at, oh no, we don't want to go, it's $3,000. A person?
For a tour? Do you get free cigars? Well, they're going to feed you and get cigars and alcohol and... I feel three grand.
Well, tickets for two attendees who will share a room are, oh, it includes a hotel. Oh, everything but airfare. - Okay, yeah, that's a good deal. - If we both go, and we shared the room, which we do when we travel now, it's $5,600, we'd save $400.
- Such a deal, you're very good at spending my money. - Tickets include hotel accommodation, meals and drinks, ground transfer, a gift box, and premium cigars throughout the event. Okay, maybe it's all right then. Airfare is not included in the ticket price and must be purchased separately.
So we decided not to go, right? We're not going back in January? We're going next month, not January. Ah, gotcha.
Next month. August, we're going in August? Isn't it very hot over there in August? I mean, it's hot.
Yeah. Do we wear safari clothing lately? Yes. Something bright colored.
Something bright. With multiple colors, actually. Oh, nice. It's required.
Oh, okay. And I'm going to have to approve your ensemble beforehand, as well. Oh, my entire packing? Yes, everything that you're going to wear.
How many days should we go for? It'll be a week. Oh, nice. Yeah, it'll be a week.
All right, now it's time to play! Okay, now, when this goes, Charles, every time we say another word, you jump to the next person, you're included, you have to say this too, all right? All right. All right, time to play: What's the Score!
Perfect, nice job! Players hear clues from a Half Wheel Cigar Review and try to predict the score before it's revealed. As more details are shared, the challenge gets easier, or does it? The closest guess to the actual score wins the round.
Can you read between the lines and predict the score? I don't have to pause for the thing. " Now, Charles, you're gonna have to play today, buddy. Okay.
Alright? Thank you. Very good. I think you can beat Greg.
We're gonna see. It's not hard to do. Didn't you win last time you won? He's not in the industry, remember?
Oh, that's right. He's not in the industry. Oh, that's right. This is the not-in-the-industry version of the game.
There you go. Alright, first cigar, or only cigar, it's one cigar a day, March 7th, 2014. 2014. 2014.
Brooks Whittington is the reviewer, it is the Camacho Cigar, the Camacho CLE Limited Edition from Honduras. Mmm. Okay. Alright, Charles, as the newest player, we will allow you to go first, camera on you, there you go, pick a score, all you know now is the name, So whatever you want to do.
82. All right. It's a good number. It's a very good number.
88. But not a really good number. It's a really good number. All right, here's the description of the cigars.
The Camacho CLE Limited Edition. Country of origin is Honduras. Factory is the Tabaco Rancho Amistran. Wrapper is Honduran, Binder Honduran, Filler Honduran, Mexico, and Nicaragua.
60 cents a bag of 20 you say a bag yeah that's the only reason i mentioned it's because it comes in like a little I would take the suitcase by itself. It's a very nice-looking little cigar briefcase-y thing. Very nice. $332, because it's in the suitcase.
Well, you gotta pay for the box. Right. They smoked only two of these guys. What was the wrapper again?
Honduran. That's it? Yep. Just Honduran?
Honduran. Okay. Charles, what do you think? Meaty, earthy.
Tastes like dirt. Yeah, dirt. Um... I'm gonna stick it 82.
Dan says 82. 88. Greg says 88. Clue number one.
An excellent draw, sharp burn for most of the smoke, and plenty of smoke production are exactly what you hope for. Even if the flavor profile wasn't your favorite, it's nice to see the cigar was built so well. Wow. Charles?
Praise on construction. I'm gonna go 85. Because it's built well. Yeah, it sounds positive, right?
Yes. You're going to go up a little? Yeah. Not me, I'm sticking 88.
Still higher than him though. Yeah, still higher than him. Alright, clue number two. The creamy texture, aged cedar, chocolate, and touches of black pepper sound like there was a solid blend underneath the surface.
And the unique 11x18 Vitola always makes a release feel a little special. 11x18 Vitola, what do you think, Charles? I'm gonna stick at 85, yeah, alright, 88, still 88, you guys are just riveting, there's no reason to move at this point, it is what it is. Alright, clue number three, when one off note overwhelms the profile from the first light all the way to the finish, and even forces an early put down, it makes it hard to enjoy what otherwise appears to be a well-constructed cigar.
Put down announced, there's been a put down. - Well made, tastes like shit. - Tastes like, yeah, right, exactly. - They've never had one where they said they put it down.
- No, not that I know of. - They've never quit. - For the six times that I've done this, I've never heard one. - All right, Charlesy, put it down.
- Oh, man, well, it's undurrent, that's why. - Yeah, not a big fan of myself. There are some, but not many. - Oof, put it down, wow, that's gonna be pretty low.
Big jump. I'm gonna go 60. 60! Wow, that's a massive jump.
I mean, put it down. He put it down. He put it down. The cigar has to explode to get a score of 60, doesn't it?
No, there's been worse. I too will be going down to 80. Oh. Mmm.
Final thought. While I never smoked this particular blend from the bag when it was fresh, I can't imagine the overwhelming and almost pallet-destroying metallic note was what they were going for when they approved this cigar. Don't get me wrong, there are other flavors in the profile, but they struggle mightily, and ultimately fail miserably. To make any headway at all, the construction was excellent overall, and it had some good smoke production for the entire smoke, but at this point, it's in its life.
The Camacho CLE Limited Edition is a perfect example of a blend that was not aged well and should be avoided at all costs. failed miserably avoided at all cost put down didn't finish my put down Wow Wow not good not good not good not good not good open the door and jump out right Wow hmm I'm gonna stay at 60 70 you went the wrong way 50 I'm this zero 50. Congratulations, Charles, you're in the industry. Yes, you're in the industry.
Wow. All right, anybody got anything else they'd like to add? We are at 48 minutes as of right now. That's all right, we're okay.
It happens sometimes. I don't usually have anything to add. You don't want to plug anything, anything going on? Where are you going to be this weekend?
Are you traveling with your entourage of animals and a plethora of beasts? There are actually things that we're doing this weekend. It's going to be Monday. Yeah, I think we're going tubing tomorrow, and then Sunday we're actually going to visit our good friends, Andrew and Kelly, as they have a new baby for us to go and play with.
Oh, it's not new news, right? I mean, she had it a while back. I mean, it's past the point where you're worried about, you know, getting the baby sick and stuff like that. Ah, gotcha.
So you're going to go get bitten by an alligator, and then go up and show your friends that you're missing a hand. Yeah, that's it. Perfect. Charles, you want to plug your Rooks coating?
Do you have a website or a phone number or something you want to give out to people? You're the best Cerrocoater I've ever met? I do Cerrocoat and laser engraving. com.
There you go. There you go. All right, we hope you enjoyed the show. This has been episode 574, unless I go back and fix your brother's numbering issues, so...
I love it. We hope you enjoyed the show, and you enjoyed the edumetainment. Is it edumetainment? Is that what he says?
I think so. Edutainment? Edutainment. I don't know.
Edutainment. All right, guys. Thank you very much. We got to go.
Bye. All right. Bloop.
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