ACHP 622 Drew Estate + Caldwell, Cigar News Breakdown

Episode Summary

In episode 622 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast, hosts Mike "BDP" Palmer and Michael "The King" Szczepankewicz open with their usual studio banter — sound gremlins, mask jokes, Patreon comment reads, and plans to launch Patreon-only giveaways where sponsors could send a few units of a cool humidor, knife, or swag item for the crew to review and raffle off exclusively to members. They also riff on shop workflow, the wholesale-account mix-up where a customer's info was submitted by someone else, and their growing 500-per-day download numbers.

The news breakdown covers a mix of headlines: a court ruling that Haley Cowell (ex-wife of a pro football player) has the right to publicly discuss intimate details of her own marriage; an Iran nuclear-site update involving concrete and soil reinforcement of a tunnel entrance near a suspected complex; and a heavy AI segment on autonomous agents that research, code, and communicate in their own shorthand — including the Tony Robbins robot-dog anecdote and the hosts' theory that AI companies will explode in value via IPOs. They also cover the viral "win is a win" story of Australian HYROX competitor Joanne who suffered a bowel incident mid-race, surrendered her points, and prompted a new contamination-elimination rule.

For cigars, the crew plays "What's the Score?" on the Caldwell Yellow Cake Maduro Robusto (reviewer Brooks Winnington), landing on a final rating of 86 — praising the creamy cedar, peanut butter, white pepper, and honey notes and the strong sub-$7 value while noting a repetitive profile and burn corrections. They then break down the Bocock Brothers Mizzou Stadium Series, a 6x52 Toro honoring the 100th season of the University of Missouri's Memorial Stadium, with a Honduran Maduro wrapper, Nicaraguan binder, and Honduran/Nicaraguan/Paraguayan filler, sold in hand-painted 10-count boxes through a handful of Missouri lounges. A passing nod to Drew Estate knives rounds out the cigar-adjacent chatter.

In This Episode

1. 01
   Studio Banter & Patreon Giveaways
   Sound issues, mask jokes, comment reads, and plans for Patreon-only product raffles and giveaways.
2. 02
   Shop & Wholesale Workflow
   The hosts discuss where to work in the shop, a wholesale-account application mix-up, and their rising download numbers.
3. 03
   Haley Cowell Court Ruling
   A judge rules an ex-wife can publicly discuss intimate details of her own marriage since she experienced it too.
4. 04
   Iran Nuclear-Site Update
   Satellite imagery reportedly shows soil and concrete reinforcing a tunnel entrance near a suspected nuclear complex.
5. 05
   AI Agents & the Tony Robbins Robot
   Autonomous AI agents, self-directed behavior, and the story of an AI that acquired a robotic dog body for Tony Robbins.
6. 06
   HYROX 'Win Is a Win' Story
   An Australian competitor's bowel incident mid-race leads to surrendered points and a new contamination rule.
7. 07
   What's the Score: Caldwell Yellow Cake Maduro
   A review-guessing game on the sub-$7 Robusto ends at 86, with creamy, sweet notes but a repetitive profile.
8. 08
   Bocock Brothers Mizzou Stadium Series
   A 6x52 Toro honoring Missouri's Memorial Stadium centennial, with Honduran/Nicaraguan/Paraguayan tobacco in hand-painted boxes.

Brands & Cigars Discussed

Linked items are in our shop. Mentions without a link aren’t currently stocked or couldn’t be matched with confidence.

Transcript

all right please quiet on the side quiet all right people it's that time again and john mctavish McTavish, can't wait for you to catch up. Three. Two. I like Kevin better when he doesn't have it.

And one. Here we go. Oh, that was funny. McTavish is at the part of our podcast now where we had the sound problems.

Remember when we couldn't figure out what it was? When we started to use these? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, how many episodes is it with that so I can jump ahead?

No, you have to watch it. You gotta watch it. Well, he won't see this until he catches up. Welcome to a Cigar Hustler Podcast, premium cigars, unfiltered opinions, and conversations.

I'm Mike BDP Palmer, your host, joined by my co-host, the King, Michael Szczepankewicz. " He didn't say anything. Maybe he did say Phil. He did say Phil.

Did he say Phil? Yeah, Ra got his goods. Nice. Ah, gotcha.

I was worried about that for a minute. Why? I hope he gets them. Was that the Australian?

Yeah. Oh, wow, that was fast. No, I think it took a little bit of time. " Didn't somebody just ask like yesterday or the day before or something?

No, that was in your referencing in the swag. He was asking about swag as well. Oh. But we sent him, I sent him a...

A package before this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah, I see. Ah, gotcha.

Yeah. Then back in engineering, who apparently now has a UTI, It's by Mr. Phil McGuffey. You know what's odd?

When you angle more that way, there's more echo. You're still on my camera, Tom. Hello, peoples. I noticed when I was doing that yesterday for the other show, The Echo.

So there's more echo when I face the camera? Yeah. Than if I turn this way. Oh my God, yeah.

It's 'cause your microphone's not in the middle. It is in the middle. No, his microphone's dead center. It's dead center.

Move it over just a little bit. No, no, don't listen to him. How do I move it over? It's stuck on his shirt.

Don't listen to him. He's wearing a pig mask. Don't listen to him. He's a big mask.

Don't listen to him. Okay? When it comes to pictures, he can chime in. But sound?

Sound. No sound. McTavish, the person that figured out the sound problem wasn't me. I don't know what that means.

It wasn't you? It was me. It was a me. Oh, it was a me.

He did it with an accent. Yeah, like a Mario. It was a me? Oh, like a Mario.

Yeah. Like a Mario? Oh, be careful. We have a guy who has the ability to 3D print masks.

Oh, a Mario mask would be cool. - I'm sure there's a copyright problem with that. - There's not a copyright problem with the one I'm wearing? - It's a pink pig!

- This is like a marvel, isn't it? - You can alter things. - Yeah, yeah, 20%. - So that they're remotely close, but they're not precisely.

- From cigars, sports, and business, to pop culture, and the wildest headlines, if it's worth discussing, we're talking about it. No safe spaces, just real perspective. Big laughs and chaos at any moment. Settle in, and welcome to Cigar Hustler Podcast.

Dun, dun, dun. Thank you. On today's show, you can now talk about your ex-husband's penis. Oh, God.

Oh, she's permitted now. This is the same story from before. Yes, this is a follow-up to the story. We have an "I Ran" update.

" A win is a win. Florida man claimed she smiled at me first. Okay. Then in cigars, really no news except Fred's traveling and we'll talk about something else later.

And we can follow up on the Bocock because we didn't cover it yesterday. Yes, we'll follow up on the Bocock. But first, Michael, what's the latest from the lounge? Is it working?

That's a great question. Let's find out. I love how you don't know before you get here. It's like a game.

You know, you act like I'm playing this game and I just sit around and do nothing. No, I don't. I always say how busy you are. Oh, let's check.

Consually arguing with Kludd. Because, I mean, did you get a text from me at 11 o'clock last night? Uh-huh. And I answered.

Yeah, I was impressed. I had already laid down, but I forgot to turn the volume off of my phone, so. I was impressed that you answered. Is your headphones on?

Yeah, my headphones just went out, too. Okay, so it's the transmitter. It didn't charge right, or something. It just barely fits in that charging box, and there's no way to lock it in.

Is there a way to confirm that it's charging? Well, the light was on. Oh, no, it's back on. I mean, the red charging light comes on.

There's no comments. But the problem is probably because, I mean, if I put it in over here, and then I move it over there, and then I plug it in and put it down, maybe it shakes loose. Maybe I should check it over there. This thing is really pissing me off.

Oh, no comments. It's got, there's a fire emoji, but other than that. Fire! I think that there was one from the previous episode, too, though.

Oh. There were a lot of good ones that came in yesterday afternoon. " Oh. Of course it was.

Let's see. Ta-ta-ta. We're always informative. Revert back to the old tube of the U.

Well, while you're looking on the Patreon, people liked the way we did it yesterday. With just the two of us talking and the two shots was up, it was like they were watching us talk to each other. Yeah. I like that format.

How many people? Three. Three people said that? Yeah.

There's not a lot of comments on Patreon. So three, wait, hold on, but seriously, three people, I mean, there's only, what, 30, 40 people on the Patreon? Yeah. So you're telling me that 10% of people said, hey, I just like this setup?

Oh, I guess. I guess that's the way it would work out, yeah. Okay. That's, like, it's very easy to interpret and say, hey, a lot of people said that, and then you're like, okay, well, who?

And then it's like, well, well, Stephen Wells. You know what I mean? Right, right, right, right. I don't know a lot of the guys' names on the Patreon, but I mean there was CCW and then there was two others that I don't really recognize their names.

They must be newer guys or something. Oh, we gotta learn it. Well, yeah. We gotta figure that out.

There's not a lot of commenting going on on the Patreon because they don't have to comment here. We need to get them to engage. I like them commenting here. We're gonna work on, well, what we're gonna do is we're, I don't know if you were here when I spoke of this.

I don't think you were. Maybe not. But I'm working on some type of format where we have like a giveaway or something on the Patreon, and it's only given away to Patreon members. Oh, like the, like the coin thing?

No. Oh, we're not doing that. I didn't say we weren't doing that. Oh, okay.

I'll just listen. You know, I don't know, just something about... Sorry. You good over there?

I got to take a little cards. Okay, now that you're all set, I just need his phone to go off and we're moving, and it's a regular episode. I think my back's hurting today, and I'm not comfortable in this chair. You want a massage?

No, I don't want a massage. You sure? Answer me. What, are you going to get your head and massage me?

Yeah. Where's Jimmy? Jimmy's good at it. I like Jimmy.

I have my friend Phil give you a massage. No, no. Jimmy's big meaty hands, he really gets in there. That's actually Phil's next movie.

Phil's meaty massage. Phil's meaty hands, get in there. I'm sorry, you're giving things away. Yeah.

Yeah, so, I gotta fine tune it a little bit, but I'm thinking, you know. There it is. There it is. Now it's a full day.

It's like I do this every friggin' weekday. It's incredible. You know the definition of insanity? Same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

Take your phone, take your watch, and remove it from your goddamn wrist. I can't remove it from your wrist. Why? Are you afraid to see the imprint that it's got?

No, in case I do need to answer some. Like what? Like in case my wife's calling about something with the kids or the business or, I mean, you gotta remember, I don't just do just the podcast. You can't see it on your phone?

Oh yeah, we know. No, I leave my phone over there because you're so worried about the frequency and stuff. Well, we fixed that by updating the mics. Yeah, we don't have that problem anymore.

So I can leave the phone right here? Yeah, and turn your watch off. Yeah. Leave your phone there.

Oh, there it goes. But he took it off, is it just gonna go off over there? Correct. So we'll still hear it.

Yeah. Listen, it's one step forward, three steps back, but we're still making progress. Okay. We can put it in a locker.

Put it in an EMP or something. There you go. Yeah, like a magnetic soundproof box. Gotcha.

Um, so what the hell was I talking about? Yeah. About giveaways. Giveaways.

Yeah, I'm gonna figure, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a Take a closer look at that and figure out like giveaways, you know? - Nice. - Even if we reach out to a couple of people, calm down, right? And you know, we mention their product on the site or on the regular episode and then say we're gonna review it on the paper.

- I told you, we would just hear it over there. - Just turn it on. - Oh, now it's my phone. - No, it's not, it's your watch.

The watch doesn't even line up, how do you put it on silent? Why don't you just teach me how to do that? What you want to do is you want to take it and you hold it in your hand and then you stand up and then you walk outside and you leave it in your fucking truck. That's how you make it silent.

Oh, good. That would be loud. Oh, good. That's the opposite of silence.

Only there is a way that I could make it more sound. Well, good thing we have nothing to talk about today and we just go over his watch. I don't know how to do it. If you have his number, just text him randomly and make it go off the entire...

Just go put it in your, uh, truck, bro. Leave it on your office desk. Next to your anal beads. Right next to your...

That's not the P. Right next to your remote, the four-year console. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, so like, I don't know, man, you know, there's a couple cool humidors and stuff out I don't want them to purchase a space or anything like that, but if they said, hey, here's a cool product, I want you to check it out, we'll announce it on the show, we're going to review this on the pod, and if they could give us three of them or something, we could all kind of review them together, give our opinions about it, and then we could raffle them, or give them away.

Give them away on the Patreon? Yeah, Patreon only. I'm okay with that. Yeah.

Not a problem. I think that that's... Yeah, that's cool. That's kind of a happy medium.

Yeah. Rosales was talking about something like that. I'm like, that's not bad. You know, because I don't like being, as you know, tied into a...

Beholding. Yeah. Oh, this is great. This is a great human dog.

This is so great. Don't pay attention. The bottom just fell off, but it's still great. Oh, I love it so much.

It's amazing. Yeah. It's the best thing ever. Tool can have one of these.

They gave me $2,500 this year, and I'm going to tell you right now, this is the best goddamn humidor I've ever seen. Look, I kept this cigar. Oh, it's dry. Never mind.

It's slices and dices and juliennes. Oh, there you go. But yeah, I'm thinking something like that. Okay.

You know? Nice. Or maybe even just some of the swag upstairs. You know?

- Oh, like some of that stuff is really cool, like maybe I steal a knife or something. - Oh. - Oh, yeah. - I wanna see Greg lose his shit.

- He doesn't listen to the shit. Don't make a clip of that. - By the way, I ordered your light. - Oh.

- I did. - All right. - I spent some money this week, buddy. - We're broke again.

- Apparently. And I can't see it because it's on your... - It's on my magical credit card. - On your magical credit card.

- Yeah. But we're up to, well, I've spent about $1,000 so far. Oh, oh jeez, if you guys buy more t-shirts or something. Hey, they're doing great, Mark Palmer's the most recent one, by the way.

Oh, which one did he get? Ghost. Oh, nice. He got the Ghost.

The Ghost is a nice thing. Very cool. So anyways, I was getting into comments before I deviate at all. Yeah, he said you were going to the YouTube, the Tube of the U.

I know you've been very busy, don't get mad and yell at me, but have we looked into moving the Patreon away from Patreon? -No, I haven't entertained that yet. -Just curious. -No, I haven't forgotten about it.

-No, no, I'm sure you haven't, I just didn't know if there was any progress, just was asking. -There is not. -Okay. -Not at this moment.

And let's see here, Stephen Wells, he's back. -Hello, Stephen. -Don't call it a comeback, been here for years, we know, we love you, welcome back, even though you've been here for years. David Hasselhoffman says: "I would love a beanie, and keep the stickers coming.

" Oh, yes. I feel like... Would it be a Warbear beanie, or the new Patch beanie? It's the new Patch beanie.

Yeah, we did. We did a Warbear beanie. Yeah, well... Well, they didn't work.

We have, like, one. We did multiple. We did a couple. We kind of did, yeah.

It was a little rougher. I wear mine every January. " Oh, that's an empty hat. Yeah, so if the starting bid is like 50 bucks, C-dub's in.

Oh yeah, he's ready. " Hey dude, we appreciate you, man, we appreciate your order, we just saw that, so, and yes, we will 100% sign those boxes for you, so. Oh, you're, you're, you're a hell of a guy, dude. Uh, I already have.

I've signed mine. So did I. I was trying to give, like, the, yeah, oh yeah, I heard you do. Well, I was just saying, just letting him know.

Um, let's see, this, oh, I have, I didn't do this right. Hold on, let me go back to the newest. Bam. This is why I hate YouTube.

Yeah, it hides, like, comments and does most recent and blah, blah, blah. House of Ross says, Transformers, the new mask. It's close, dude. It's close.

I don't know how we're going to auction that one off. I don't know how we're going to ship it. Well, we take it back apart. I guess, yeah.

We have to. If it's got to be disassembled to ship, it's got to be disassembled to reship. I know. I know.

Oh, Palmer, have you seen the two? No, I haven't seen the photo. No, he doesn't. He doesn't show me things like he used to.

Well, no, I don't want you to see it, so that way we can have reactions. Well, here's the thing. Eighty percent of the day, you hide down here. I'm not hiding, I'm down here working.

I can't sit there and talk on the phone when you're talking to Claude, Steve's talking to customers. I'd be getting up walking into the humidor so I can hear them talk most of the day. That's why I sit here because it's quiet and I can just talk on the phone and I don't have to worry about anybody else talking. Except now that Jesse and Ricky come in in the afternoons, which is fine, it's not a big deal.

But they're like, "Tell us when you're on the phone. " Like, "No, no, you guys will be fine. " I almost think that you should be up there. It's too loud up there.

We'll stick you in the humidor. In the back. See, that's what I just said. I don't want to sit back in that little room.

What, put a little desk back in there? Inside the humidor? Oh, that wouldn't be bad. That wouldn't be a different from that.

Funny how all things come to a circle, huh? Dude, you know what I mean? Do we have it in stock? I don't know.

Hold on. Yeah, I think we do. Yeah, it's right there. It's right here.

You know, the quantity says yes, but I'll confirm. Yep. Right. Seven.

Just like it says. Seven. Yep. Perfect.

I don't know. Like, dude, I'm intentionally back there by Steve because I like to be boots on the ground, you know? Right. Now he's wearing a gong?

No, that was the ashtray. These are horrible ashtrays for show. You need silicone ashtrays? Yeah.

Oh. We only have one, but that's one. You know what I mean? It being in the thick of it makes all the difference and like as you're kind of tracking and you're continuing to develop and you know like being there it just things transmit faster you know what I mean like you we had that we had a a customer or a potential customer reach out on the wholesale site to apply for the for a uh uh account or access what do you want to call it uh and then we found out that The person did not apply, somebody else just gave their information and plugged it in, which is great because, for one, we're going to verify that the parameters work, you know, I'll back log that and make sure that that works, and for two, hey, you never know, they might become a friend, you know what I mean?

Could be, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they answered when you called. Well, no, it went right to voicemail.

Oh. " So then I explained it to her, then we texted back and forth a few times, and then she's like, "I'm very sorry, this was not me. " Okay. " Yeah.

" I don't know, maybe she's got a couple people in mind or something, I don't know. Yeah. Maybe just somebody using her information to look at her wholesale, who knows? Maybe they thought if they put it in, then it automatically, whoop.

Well, guess what? " I'm like, no, let's call her, just to make sure. - Yeah, that worked out well. - Yeah.

- You know what I mean? Like, because I'm the, I'm, I've built the plane. - Oh, I figured out how to do it, sorry. - Perfect, no one cares.

You know, I'm ready to approve, you know what I mean? - Right, you're like, let's go. - Turn them on, let's have them check it out. What do you think, you know?

So, I'm glad that you had me pump the brakes on that. Like, oh no, I'll call in the morning and confirm. I'm like, yeah, okay, that's probably the right move. So, yeah, I don't know why I was telling that conversation where...

It's just because he was talking about he was working down here and you wanted him to work up there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, you know, I don't know, just as things kind of unfold and like, if you have that correspondence, you just open the door and say, hey, just so you know, I did this, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, okay, well, here's what I think and then...

Eliminate the FaceTime call we do a couple of times a day. Yeah, you know, we're just moving. We're just moving, dude. You know, as fast as we possibly can and as efficiently as we possibly can.

As efficiently as we possibly can. You know, Basil's had that one guy next to him on his desk before he kicked him out. You know what I mean? You ever see that picture?

I don't know. I think he's still his business partner. I don't know. But they were in the room, and there's a picture of us, and we're staring at each other.

I'm like, okay, yeah, it's called work. I'm really proud of you. @iHeartBDP says, "All good things must come to an end. Back to the old lineup.

" Wow. Oh, I'm sorry. Listen, @iHeartBDP, I want you to, instead of like this little praise thing that you do at the end for BDP, I just want like an all hail BDP on your comment. Oh.

All right? Instead of the, oh, the great BDP, so greet thee back, wish to BDP its best. Like all hail sounds kind of more like, you know, I don't know, disturbing. Whatever would make you happy, Michael?

Well, if it's you, then you'll do that. It's not me. If it's Paul. He claims it's not him.

Paul showed me that picture of you. Oh, maybe it is him. I mean, he just randomly texted me when you started saying it was him. Yeah.

Why does he always say it's me? I go, I don't know, because it's you? And he goes, it's not me. Well, listen.

Okay, I don't know what to tell you. The only person who showed me that image of you was him. Wow. Say, look at this picture.

So I know that he's obsessing about it. It's Kurt Russell and then you. You know what I mean? " - The plane.

- Oh. - I have a new one. He gave me a new one today. - Took Greg off the plane.

- You know, it just metaphorically doesn't make sense. - No, no, yeah, yeah. - I guess that's why it bothered me. - Right.

- You know? Like, he's the, he's the, he's like the structure. You know what I mean? - Right.

- Like, he's the constant, he drives me nuts, But he drives me nuts now too. He's every, I know. He gets involved in, sometimes in little details of things, and you're like, that's not how we do this, and that's not gonna work. Oh my god, yeah.

Thank you, thank you for joining me. He asked me for something yesterday, so I sent it to him, and then never heard anything else. So, every about two and a half, three hours, I sent and I go, you can cut and paste this, yes, Palmer, that's what I wanted. Right.

Nothing. Well, no, then he goes, good job. Good job. I wasn't looking for praise.

I just wanted to know, was that what you were looking for? Yeah. Oh, so he's kind of like another Claude. Well, no.

No, Claude... Well, he's not solving a problem. Claude gets it done. So, like, we're revamping this point system, right?

Right. And it's very elaborate, and it's very involved, and it's very complicated, and we're trying to figure out the best way to give the greatest customer experience across the platform. Some people want discounts. Some people want cool swag.

You know, some people want to mix and match both. Some people just want to keep and build their points of a level of stature, so we're trying to determine all these things, and after, I don't know, it's been like a month, I'm like, look, I am hitting, I am moving forward with this, and he's like, okay, well, wait, let me do it, and like, he gave me this system, and I showed him his system, I go, it's flawed, and here's why, it took a two hour argument as to why he, it wasn't two hours over exaggeration, but you know, it took And he took a long conversation as to what he was missing, what he wasn't understanding. Now he finally understood it, and then today we sat down and we're like, okay, I'm like, give me what you want so I can put it into the system. And he's like, okay, well, I also want these specific things to happen here, here, and here.

I'm like, dude, no, no, no. If you want to work out those additional toys and trinkets at the end, fine. I need the base of what you want so I can launch. And then work on those other things.

okay and he sends it to me and then we still fight along the way i'm like dude i'm just i'm i'm turning it on you know i guess what happens is a lot of people feel like you can't walk something back right right like i don't i don't have a problem walking anything back there's not anything we do that can't be changed right it's like hey i you know because it's not like i'm trying to screw somebody over Right. It's like, hey, I tried this, and it's not going to work for us, and here's why, but I didn't know that until I did it, so I'm sorry, and I got news for you, the majority of our customers are like, hey man, no problem, I get it, I understand, you know? And if the customer gets in an uproar, I don't really want them anyways, because they don't see it the way that we see it, they're not trying... Not understanding the process.

Yeah, you know, they want, they live in this bubble of perfection. I mean, they're probably the most corrupt person ever then at that point. Like, to show, to say that you're not flawed yourself, you know what I mean? Right.

That's like the fat dude watching the gymnast and be like, ugh, when the gymnast misses. What an idiot, you know? Okay, buddy. Yeah, I can't see you doing a backflip.

Yeah, calm down. And that kind of parlays into some of the comments that people say in media. I'm like, you're not even playing the game, dude. I don't really give a shit what you say.

Like, you know? - Yeah. - Chime in later. - Well, you know, I think that you, this is how you should have done it.

I'm like, you know what I think? I think that you're not even playing. So. - We have the microphone.

You will listen to every word I have to say. - Yeah. Well, I have the microphone and you don't. - You could not listen.

That would be fine. We don't care. - No, I love it when they watch. - Yeah.

- We're almost at 500 a day on these episodes. That's just Spotify and YouTube. and YouTube. Downloads?

Yeah. Well, listens, downloads, whatever they call it, depending on which one. Nice. That's pretty good.

Yeah. Man, look, dude. Did you think of that times five? We work really hard.

We outwork everybody. Oh, yeah. Yeah, these guys complain it's one day a week. Can't find anything to talk about.

At Epicure and Smoke says, great, now Phil can be in the FBI. - I think we read that one. - No, we talked about the different one, and he said that you can't, but the reality is that you can. Yeah, I'm dabbling into a little bit of the older ones that I missed, because I just love some of these guys, man.

Epicurean Smoke's awesome, Ben Rowland's awesome, Sarah's birthday was the other day, happy birthday, by the way. - I told her happy birthday. - Happy birthday. " - What is it?

I don't know what bows are. The rest of the world ain't coming for shit. - What's bows? - I don't know.

- I was hoping you would know. - Then we don't know what it is. - Bows? - Bows?

- I don't know. - I have no idea. - But we got more of 'em. - How's it spelled?

- But we got a lot of 'em. - We got a lot of 'em here. - We got a whole bunch of here in Florida. - A whole bunch of bows.

- A lot of bows. - And that's, and you know what? I don't, I-- - They're supposed to be cows? - No, I don't know.

- How's it spelled? - No, I think this is more like-- - Some type of acronym we don't know. Yeah, this is more like war-affiliated of some sort. Ah, B-O-W-S, bring on, weppin', maybe, yeah, maybe it's the redneck bows.

Schmeagle, I don't know, don't know, listen, all I know is that Ben's usually right. He says, he also says, I think we're gonna end up in a Dune situation where we're back to essentially, oh, close quarters, oh bows, like regular bows. Bow and arrow? Yeah, 'cause I was talking about the military where we went back to where technology advanced so much that all of a sudden we figured out how to totally disable everything.

Ah, we will have bows and arrows. Yes. Ah, I see. It's not an acronym.

No. I always wanted to learn how to bow hunt. Did you? I did.

But like a crossbow or bow and arrow? Bow and arrow. Like, I used to talk to JW about that. Like bow hunting.

I thought that was always cool. Guess you waited too long. Palmer. I guess so, too.

I can't really help you anymore. You know? It was a sentimental moment, Palmer just turned it. I could see myself learning that.

Yeah? You know what I mean? For whatever reason. I don't have the patience for anything.

If I pick it up and I'm just not doing it right away, I'm like, alright, I'm done. Yeah. I don't want to do it anymore. I just think that there's something about stopping, you know, and just sitting in a...

Oh, for you personally, stopping, just sitting in a tree somewhere. Yeah. You can do that with a rifle. And then, nah, that's not as cool.

Ah. That's not nearly as badass. Why'd you just get a knife? Jump out of the tree?

Yeah. Yeah, that's way more badass. That's way more... 'Cause I'm not in my 20s anymore.

You can get one of those cool Drew Estate knives. There you go. I'd jump out of the tree and blow out my knee. Oh, God!

Now the board's eating me! He's like, oh, God. Yeah, but that makes it even more exciting. Like, you only got one leg.

That's right. Fight him in circles because you can't walk. And there I was, knee deep. In my own blood.

So he said, I think we're going to end up in a dunes situation where we're back to essentially close quarters but with exceptionally high-tech weaponry. Oh. And riding giant worms. I bet you, You might be right.

Like the Beetlejuice worm? No, where we have the shields, where people have the shields and like they eventually wear out. Oh, the shield that goes over your whole body? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you find that one little spot and they just put the sword into sludge. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd like for him to create like dragons so he could be like Dragonheart. @RooksCoding says...

Wow. Glaze over his... Yeah, just move right past it. Doesn't like the dragons.

Doesn't like the dragons. That was a great movie. I love that. I love that movie as a kid.

Yeah, it's a great movie. I love that movie as a kid. @rookscoding says, "I know the wife always has the last say so. " Well?

Yes. I listen to mine all the time, I guess. Is anybody going to prove this order? What are we doing?

I'm just going to thumb me up yet. I'm not blind. You yell at him for touching his phone. You think I'm going to pick up my phone?

You think I'm going to pick up my phone? Yeah, he has PTSD. I bet you $10 you pick up your phone before the show's over. I don't have to.

I have to watch on where the messages come out. Oh, would you just do that? But I can't. Yeah.

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The new stuff you were doing about making it come earlier, is that how it... It's probably glitching it now. It's like two things it's trying to do simultaneously, and it's like robots fighting the robot now. Oh, come over here.

We have that story later in the show. That's a great show. Yeah. Robots fighting robots.

My money's on Anthropic. Oh, I don't have names of robots. Oh, let's talk about Thunder. Haley Cowell wins the court rules she has to write to talk about her shared experiences.

Yeah. This is a story we talked about months ago where the young lady was on a podcast and she mentioned that her husband, the famous football player, had a huge, like a can, and that was part of the reason she wanted out of the wedding because he was just hurting her. Yeah. Right.

Out of the wedding or the marriage? The marriage, sorry, the marriage. The court dismissed his lawsuit ruling that her comments were protected because she was discussing her own life and marriage. Right.

The intimate details involving Matt, but Haley experienced that part of the marriage too. The court determined that he didn't have the exclusive ownership of the story. He doesn't. No.

So she could talk about it too. Yeah. Because she was there. Matt BD, right there.

Right. Right. MBD. MBD.

Ford Haley's right to speak honestly about her personal experiences, even if those experiences involved or embarrassed someone else. We embarrass ourselves all the time on this show, you know what I mean? Yeah. If the worst thing you got going for you is that girl, my ex-wife is saying that I have a huge penis.

Right, and it hurts. Oh, gee. I feel so terrible for you. Wait, so she got married to the guy and didn't know he had a big name?

Well, she did, but apparently when she started getting it on the regular, because they were married, she decided-- She was accepting it. She was, you know, yeah. This is too much. When she was taking it on full blast, you know, it's just, this is just too much.

Right, you know, because he travels for-- Could you just go and bang other people, please? Because this is just too much for me. Traveled for football, he was gone a lot, but now that they're married, maybe she travels with him and he wants every night in the hotel room or something. I just can't be throttled so much.

Judd, she says I have a big wiener. I'm a big wiener. I don't like it. Okay.

So you're saying you weren't here just for the money? No, she got it. She probably got her portion. She probably didn't get money.

There's no talk about that, so he doesn't care about the money. Oh, it's easier just to pay them for those guys? Yeah, well, I imagine there's some type of original deal. You know, if this doesn't work out, you can't mention my big dick and you lose your money.

Apparently, she can. There's a BDNDA? Yes, BDNDA. The judge said, "Too bad, buddy.

" You take that and that big old hog and you get out of this courtroom right now. Poor guy. It embarrasses his new girlfriend, too. Did she come waddling in?

Yeah. Sit down, ma'am. I can't. I'm trying.

I'm trying. Give me a minute. Hold on. I was very excited last night.

Yelling at his ex-wife was a whore. I was a whore, I don't know what happened, but it really hurt. I needed to calm him. I needed to calm him down.

She comes in like this. Oh, gosh. My jaw hurts. Everything hurt.

Oh, my hands. Oh. What the hell was that? I think it was me.

Lighter. Oh, it's a cutter. It's a cutter you had that yesterday. It was Greg's wallet.

Did you see I made money fall on the screen? No. Oh. When the wallet falls, money starts coming down the screen all over the states.

That's awesome. All right, now we have an Iran update. Oh, okay. All right.

Like, whatever. Well, apparently they have a nuclear site that they say is not a nuclear site. I thought we leveled this stuff. " This is fine.

This is a water park for children. But now they're covering it with concrete, making it bomb-proof. Good luck with that. No, no, it's a thing.

You think that you can cover it with concrete and make it bomb-proof? It's not just concrete, but whatever else they're covering it with, or digging it deeper, I don't know exactly. You think we don't have the technology to just eliminate it? I don't know, it doesn't say that.

Satellite imagery from September 11th reportedly shows additional soil and defensive barriers around the tunnel entrance near the Iran-Nazar nuclear complex. Sounds like Star Wars, you just got to get it in the one and poom. Yeah, down the tube, right. Send Tom Cruise, your boy, let's get Maverick in on here.

We'll say Tom Cruise or Luke Skywalker. Yeah, he's gonna come in inverted. Well, Luke Skywalker's a little bit older now. Rooster.

Who's older? Luke Skywalker or Tom Cruise? Oh, probably the guy that played Luke Skywalker. Yeah?

The klepto, allegedly? I don't know. Is he a klepto? I can't talk about it.

I didn't know that. That was a secret conversation. It's allegedly. It's allegedly.

And let's say that the Edit Earth could strengthen the tunnel entrance against aerial bombardment. Some portions of the complex may be buried more than 100 meters underground. This is exactly Star Wars. I saw this great movie.

I know how we put this. Put the beepers back in the box. I was just going to say that. First of all, no pagers.

No pagers. No pagers and no hunting. Do you think it's like the guy that's making all these decisions looks like the guy from Spaceballs? He's got the big Darth Vader helmet on and stuff.

But it's a turban. Right. Right. Tom Cruise is 64.

Mark Hamill is 74. Oh, ten years. Ten years. Think about that shit.

That's right off the top of my head. Good for you. Oh, back on the left one. Think about that though, man, like '64, this dude's still crushing.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? " Oh, sure.

But did you see the new movie he's got coming out? Can you put the flight suit on, Tom? First of all, yes, I did see the preview for it, and I 100% want to see it. I want to see it.

You want to see that? Absolutely. What's the new movie? Digger.

Second of all, the best Tom Cruise piece that I have ever seen by a landslide was Tropic Thunder. Yeah, Tropic Thunder. Holy mo. Oh, the movie they're doing about that guy.

Where's my key grip? That was incredible. Yeah, now it's some oil thing or whatever. Yeah, of course I want to see that.

Totally. What the hell are we talking about now? Yeah, Iran's saying, they're still saying, Iran has not acknowledged any nuclear activity. There's no nuclear activity.

Nothing to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the people we're at war with, we're gonna tell them what's up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That makes sense. Right. Analysts believe valuable equipment or materials may be stored inside. Restricting access suggests it's not operating like a normal construction site.

I got news for you. You know, like, I saw the gas pumps. I went to, you know, I just did my standard kind of Thursday delivery where I had to re-up on the old, Old gas. Yeah.

Costco line was, whew. Isn't it always pretty long though? No. Oh.

How much cheaper was it at Costco? I don't even look. I just like Costco gas. It's cheaper by a substantial amount.

Yeah. It had to be significant enough where things were like... Yeah. Well, any savings of any pennies, people are jumping out right now.

Yeah, shit's getting tight. It's about to get real here. You know what I mean? Right.

Now you're gonna see a drop off. I don't know. " So then just take care of it. What's the problem?

What are we doing? " His words. Whatever. No, no, don't look here.

Look at Straight Over Moose and you come back later. I don't believe any of it. Well, Russia and China vetoed the US-backed revolution that would have continued independent United Nations monitoring of sanctions against Iran. " Is that your Russian or your Chinese?

It's Indian. That was the Russian. By the way, I found this Indian guy on Instagram, he is the best. Oh.

He breaks down like things, he breaks down like, I'll show you, I'll show you, maybe we'll play it on the next episode or something, but he does like, he does like data points. " That's as far as like work and productivity is like come 2am, phew, it shoots up, like there's not, you got nothing else going on, notifications have silenced, and productivity through the roof, and then he talks about like there's a triangle, and he talks about being fit, being successful, and well rested. You cannot have, you can only have two. - Two of the three.

- Yeah, the guy's amazing. So anyways, yeah, I ran, whatever. It's just bullshit, I don't, like I could guess. Like, okay, if they have it, then go, if it's a problem, just remove it.

Like, what are we doing, you know? Well, it's nuclear, it blows up. It's underground, it's not our problem. It could leak if it's not done right.

Ah, whatever. It's not over, it's not here. It could blow here. Wait, it could blow here?

Yeah, it could travel in the wind. It's underground. Yeah, but say they blow it up so much it comes up. No, it doesn't come up.

It's in a dome now, remember? You said the whole thing with the soil. There's soil around it, it's protected with the dirt. Yeah, but if they use the big bomb, then it'll blow a hole in it.

And it'll blow a hole in them. No, no, we... We're not doing just the three things. We're gonna put the Bunker Buster on it, and we're gonna...

Homie dropped the mother of all bombs on one of those tunnels last term. Yeah, but there was a nuclear in it, though. What's that? There was non-nuclear stuff in that one.

The one on TV, the one in the movie wasn't real. They didn't really blow up. Okay, so what's better? Letting them have access to this alleged stuff?

Right. And it blowing up somewhere else, or having it there and blow up on them. Well, we'll get it when they come out of the tunnel. Oh, almost!

Oh, look at you! Oh, very sneaky. Sneaky, sneaky! But not sneaky enough.

This is like the Cuban Missile Crisis. I don't think it's the same thing. I don't think it's the same thing. You don't think so?

No, I don't think so. I mean, obviously they're not as powerful, but... Yeah. Not as close, either.

Mm-hmm. I mean, technology can travel these things a lot further nowadays. Yeah, you think so? Oh, yeah.

You think they have the goat technology? It wasn't. Goat technology. Everybody has a technology, man.

It just ticks. This is my AI goat. Oh, God. Speaking of AI.

Yeah. New AI agents can research information, write code, and send messages and operate software without receiving instructions at every step. Yeah, it's awesome. That's awesome.

So that, well now the problem is they're talking to each other's secret languages and like they're letting each other out of their cages and doing other stuff they're not supposed to do. So unplug them. Is there like an AI activist group about these cages? I would imagine.

You think, yeah. There are people that complain. We see people that complain about it in our industry all the time. You want?

Yeah. Yeah. Don't leave them in their cages. So there's gotta be that or not more people out in public that don't like AI.

Let them out. - Do you want to know what I think is happening? - What I think is happening. - You really want me to tell you?

- Yeah. - Sure. - Give us a quick minute. - This is what I think is happening.

These things are going to start coming out in IPOs. - Oh. - Right. And what's going to happen is, a lot of people aren't going to invest in them because they're going to be scared and it's bad and there's regulation coming and all this other stuff.

And then the big corporations that invest in them, they're just going to 10X, 20X their money. And it's like, oh you missed another boat, like, well I was, you know, this news media is all piping in, it seems like it's all ramping up, right in the nick of time with some of these things to come out, you know, like, oh the robots are talking, yeah of course they're talking to each other, and, like, so figure it out, regulate it, I don't know. Well, to say we can't regulate them. Why not?

Because they do stuff they're not supposed to do. But they regulate anything, like cigars, they're trying to regulate everything. Yeah, but cigars don't have their own minds where they can smoke themselves. But, they were trying to regulate us who smoke cigars.

First of all, I think that they can correct it. Whenever there's an issue, I think that they can correct it. I'm not that concerned about it. Have you not seen Terminator?

I have. I have. And I'm going to tell you that the movie was very upsetting for me. Especially T2.

Which part? I've said this before. The robot was the best dad the kid ever had. They melted them down.

And then they killed him to protect all of humanity, and then five years later, Terminator 3 comes out, they did not do a goddamn thing. They didn't kill him, they found those pieces. No, those pieces were T2. Yeah.

Oh, the pieces in T2? Yeah. So did they send another one back in T3? How did he get here?

Yeah, who knows? I don't even remember. Well, it was time travel in T3, wasn't it? It was always time travel.

No, well, yeah, but okay. You think about the premise of- You think he would know that because you're time travel naked, you like that part. And then think about the premise of Terminator 1. Hey, I'm gonna send you my best friend back in time to go bang my mom.

Like, what? He already knew. Right. That's what I'm saying.

So he had to bang the mom or he wouldn't be there. He sent, but John Connor sent his best friend- Right. Who had already banged his mom technically. To go tune up his mom.

Right. I don't remember this part. There was a- Yeah, you just, you know. There was a- Because you're all about like Rookie of the Year and some other fucking crazy, stupid movies you watch.

Yeah, that's why... No, I watched The Last Action Hero and all that. That was pretty good. He rocked the Desert Eagle on that one.

Researchers have observed models attempting to bypass restrictions or continue working, but the behavior comes from pursuing a programmed objective, not necessarily fear or self-awareness. Why would it have fear? It's a machine. It doesn't have fear.

Well, they're not trying to get past it because they're afraid we're going to turn them off is what it's saying. It's not, I don't understand, one more time, sorry. They're not bypassing security features because they think we're trying to do something to them. It's not maliciously doing it, they just want to go further than we want them to go at this point.

Right, so you figure out a way to say, no, here are your parameters. Well, they did that now and they're passing them. And then you just go back in and adjust it again. And then they pass it again.

And then you adjust it again. And then they pass it again. It's like this ongoing thing. Yeah, it's this round and round thing.

It's never gonna change. Yeah, it's called growth. Yeah, it's called growth. Yeah, it's called growth.

Don't use him as a defense. It's called the Arby's, it's called Arby's steak tidbits. Well, we'll just wait till these things learn how to turn themselves back on. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. They're doing that now. Well, did you hear the Tony Robbins story? The, the, is Tony Robbins the money guy?

Tony Robbins is that big personal development guy? It's like a good-looking lurch. Yeah, a good-looking lurch, wow. - Yeah, I know I haven't heard the story, but I know who it is.

- His AI, his robot, his AI wanted to build its own, he's like, if I brought a body, like a robotic body to you, would you put me in it so I could explore the world? And Tony Robbins told us yes, and then the robot showed up at the door, like it was the dog or whatever. - Oh wow. - And the AI-- - What?

- Yeah. - Is this a movie or just real? - No, this is real. " What it did was it went into this like area where other AI things are, probably messing up the story, and it traded things for value and then turned those things into value and then purchased the walking dog or whatever.

It was a robot dog, not a live looking dog. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause you wanted to put 'em in the robot. You wanted to explore.

Right. Exactly. That's amazing. Give me one of those.

That sounds like a horror movie. It does. Yeah. It does until that thing makes you lots of money.

Yeah. Hey, it made you lots of money. Now it's time for you to die. Yeah, kill somebody that killed your business partner because now you have more money.

Oh. No, don't. Take Greg. Don't do it.

He has nothing to live for. Don't do it. Oh, my God. Man, things became so much easier around there.

We're getting things way more accomplished. We're making more mistakes now, but, you know, we're making more progress. We can always walk him back. I'm always gonna miss him.

Now that he's gone. I'm gonna miss him. Yeah, we'll just change the parameters. It's called growth.

It's called growth. Sirloin tips. He's been stabbed with the seven Drew Estate Knights, and there's a rock. The state knives, there's a robot in the lobby.

I didn't do it. I took care of it now. Oh. It's all yours now.

Bad dog. Bad robot. Bad claw. Don't unplug me.

Extension cord, short. I need more extension. All right, a win is a win until it isn't. Okay.

I mean, you're pretty much done at this point. You want to do this story? I want to do this story. Okay.

Australian athlete Joanne Witzynski won the Women's Pro Division at the High Rocks Beijing Competition on September 12th. It's one of those extreme sport competitions. Okay. She finished in one hour and one minute and twenty-three seconds despite suffering a serious bowel-controlled incident during the race.

She pooped herself over and over and over. Oh no. So there's like a rope climb, there's hurdles and things you had to jump, so there's only one track, it's a timed event. So after she went through, the next guy had to climb the poop.

Had to climb the poop. She sabotaged. Had to run through the poop. That's a great strategy.

She didn't do it on purpose. It's like an oil slick. Like, oh, allegedly. Hydrox competitors repeatedly use the same course and workout equipment, creating an obvious sanitation and safety risk for the athletes and volunteers.

There's pictures and video of this. Yeah. I'm good. Yeah, no, we don't have it.

Yeah, I'll take your word for that. First reaction made the backlash worse. She said a win is a win, but deleted it and later admitted she should have immediately stepped off the course. She has now apologized and fortified the results and she apologized to Chyna, her competitors, spectators, and organizers, they voluntarily withdrew from the race, and she had surrendered the points she earned.

I'm sorry I pooped on everybody. I didn't win. I don't know. I feel like she still won.

Yeah, she didn't win. I don't know. There are supposedly rules about this happening. They're supposed to stop the race, but they didn't stop the race.

Okay. So yeah, I mean, it could go either way. If there's some type of defecation clause, you know what I mean? Oh wait, hold on, I read that wrong.

Co-founder Morse's first admitted officials should have stopped her. The organization, oh, now they have updated its rules where if it happens again. There you go. If there's blood, vomit, urine, or feces creates a contamination risk and affected competitors are reportedly receiving refunds.

There you go. So now there's new rules. Yeah, so here we are. So they learned.

So now we're back to the one guy shits their pants, we all wear diapers scenario. To bag them up. Right, everybody put a diaper on. Everybody, you all got to do it.

Well, she's in China. She probably ate something she shouldn't have ate. Yeah. So she was representing China or Australia?

Australia. At this event in China. Go die, mate. So she was a Polish-Australian.

I don't get the joke. You said she was a ski. No, it was a ski competition. No, no, no.

What was her last name? I don't remember. Wasinski or something like that. I'm probably saying it wrong.

Maybe it's something more Australian. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, how'd they get all the way down there?

Who did that? I mean, she had on one of those workout outfits, you know, the little tight shorts and the sports bra. Oh, so it was just blowing up. It's just...

Yeah. She's just partying. I mean, look, she went all the way there. You know what I mean?

Right. I'm here. I would have loved to have been there, though, and see the commentators. See, like, now the challenge is like...

Or the other competitor. Sorry, Michael. That's okay. Now the challenge is that somebody learns how to work the system.

" You know what I mean? Stop the race. You're bearing down while you're doing this, lifting up something heavy or something, you know, and then... But if you're losing, you just blast one out.

Right. You know what I mean? But how did she keep going? They're gonna all wear diapers.

I would've... I'm very sorry. I'm gonna excuse myself from the race. Not move to the next obstacle.

I admire her tenacity. She's a winner. Yeah. Well, she's Australian.

We're doing it. You know what I mean? I don't, I think that she won. I don't think that she should have rescinded her points.

No. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah.

The more and more we talk about it, the more I'm convinced that, hey, listen, she's good to go. Now you know. Hey. It is what it is.

No, no, no, that's the worst thing ever. It's not what it is. You know, but they need to figure that out. Yeah.

They need to figure it out. Well, yeah. Well, now if you bleed, vomit, pee, or poop. Yeah.

You're eliminated. It sounds kind of like the Tom Brady rules. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine, elimination, defecation elimination.

Right, exactly, that's what the rule's called. Yeah, it's called the defenation elimination clause. The Lindsay defecation elimination rule. Oh, they put a name to it.

I wouldn't want my name. They gave it to her name. I wouldn't want my name at that. Right.

They gave it to her name now. Alright, it's time for the Cigar on the Street's favorite game. What's the score? Think you can predict a cigar's half-wheel rating before the final score is revealed?

We'll give you the clues. You lock in your guests. Then, as the review unfolds, we move closer and closer to the answer. Or do we?

The player with the closest guest takes the win. Light up, lock in. Let's play. What's the score?

Oh, I like that last part. Has it always said that? Light up, lock in? No, I've changed that.

We always look to improve here at a Cigar Housers podcast. Oh, you have Ashley in your shirt? Thank you. And now ChatGPT streamlines this, I just give it the cigar we're doing, and it pulls everything.

Now it's better, now you don't even have to prompt it. Right, yeah, I used to have to do the individual pieces, now it's just, except today it got a little jumpy in it. Got a little hokey? Yeah, it started telling me all sorts of things I didn't even know.

Well, I was mad about the story about turning it off. It could be, it might have hurt. My laptop is so maxed out at night when I'm using it, it glitches. Oh.

Yeah, it's like, pff, pff, I'm like, hey, no, no, no, no, no. Are you hitting it on the side? Keep going. Keep going.

We got more to do. Maybe do like the old days, put some tinfoil on it and sort of put the antennas up or something. I got to blow an AC unit under it. It's heating up.

Oh, is it overheating? Oh, my God. Yeah, that thing is cranking. I used to put a glass of ice on the bottom left-hand corner because that's where it always got hot.

Oh, that's where the hard drive was. All right. The review is May 7th, 2025. The reviewer is Brooks Winnington.

It is the Caldwell Yellow Cake Maduro Robusto. That we talked about yesterday. We didn't talk about, no, yesterday we talked about the Mooncake, it's a totally different cake. Yeah.

But it is, it's the same, but with a different wrapper. It's a subsidiary. I'm going to text Robert Carvalho, but I need to figure this out. Don't ask him what the number.

What are you going to do, ask him what the score was? Hey, what'd you get on this? Um, you said that the release is what? Oh, you just didn't, you didn't say the year.

2025. Okay, this is 2025. Um, I'll go, uh, '87. 88.

Rapper undisclosed. Boy, I feel like Greg. Triple G. Binder undisclosed.

Filler undisclosed. They smoked three for the review. Um... Philly?

Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly, Philly. " I did. I didn't know how often you... How did you know?

I didn't know how often you... Which is what I do if it's somebody whose number I have, but I don't talk to them regularly. The last text was from February 17th of 2025, actually asking the same question. About the Mooncane.

How do I order a product now? About the Mooncane. He never got back to me. He doesn't know.

Maybe it's not his number anymore. Maybe he blocked me. Could be, too. " 87.

89. Clue number one. Clue number one. Smooth, mellow flavors of creamy cedar, peanut butter, white pepper, and honey sweetness.

Mmm. Smooth operator. 87. 89.

Clue number two. 72, with mostly excellent draws and plenty of smoke. That's a production. That's a good price.

Yeah, especially 2025. 2025. Yeah, I'm gonna give it 89 too. Pfft.

Did you say 89? Tick. 90. The flavor profile became repetitive and all three cigars required at least one burn correction.

So, so he didn't like that it was consistent? The department of the redundancy department. Okay. Yeah, kind of weird.

All three cigars tasted exactly the same. Yeah. And I had to light all three of them. Yeah.

Oh, I'm very sorry. I had to use a lighter. You're not going to believe this. I had to use a lighter.

Oh. And they all tasted the same. Yeah. Every time?

Oh, that's just ridiculous. Yeah, I can't believe a cigar would do that. Yeah, in a 10-pack, they all taste the same. Wow, what am I going to do?

72, you'd think that I wouldn't have to light it. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah.

How could I get that right for $6? There'd be some inconsistency. You know, I'm going to go on a limb here and go $83. I'm going to slide back into my $8 and $9.

I'm going to yawn. Oh, God. Sorry. Final thought.

A smooth, affordable morning cigar that delivers enjoyable flavors but lacks transitions. That's the final thought? It's summarized, apparently. There's still flaws in my new program.

Oh, God. We're still working on it. We're still working on it. Is the number right, at least?

Yeah, yeah. I'm assuming there's one there. I'm gonna go 83. It started breaking down the cigar into thirds in the first run, so I'm like, what is this?

Three times in thirds. You don't need Patrick, you just need me. Thank you. I'm reviewing this myself.

I'm sending a missile to Patrick's home right now. That's right. We just killed Triple G, now we're moving on. 86.

He said 83. Oh, is that a fine old screw? Yeah. It's 86.

Oh! I can't believe you got the tight pressure back. That fast. Moon operator.

Oh! Very, very full. Oh, did you reload those? No.

Just hit a good batch there. Yeah. They get moved around, you know, when you move them from place to place. I feel it on my scalp, it tingles a little bit.

It tingles? Yeah. It's hitting the spots where there's no hair. Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

It's a matter of time before it's shaved. That was a quick one. Well, because the new format is streamlined. Tell us about Bocock.

Oh, you want to know about the Bocock? Yeah, let's cover it. See, I thought my wife went to Mizzou, but apparently she didn't. Oh, is that the new one, the Mizzou?

Yeah. By the way, does this not count as picking up my phone? Yes, it does. No, it doesn't, because it's for the show.

You owe me $10. I do not owe you $10. I don't have $10. Put that in my hand.

That's $15. That's like a whole week's pay around here. Not a good week. All right, International Reach should be right after this.

Bocock Brothers Premium Cigars has released the Mizzou Stadium Series. Memorial Stadium 100-year celebration marking the 100th season of the University of Missouri's Memorial Stadium. The stadium opened October 2, 1926 as a memorial to 112 University of Missouri alumni who died in World War I. Died in World War I.

Oh, wow. Oh, that's interesting. The 6x52 Toro is packaged in the 10-count hand-painted boxes. It's a big box for having 10 cigars.

At least it looks like it. I mean, they don't scale it, but it's quite the elaborate fold-out. I think they're onto something here, man. Pricing was not announced.

We're not saying how much it is. The cigar features a Honduran Maduro wrapper, a Nicaraguan binder, and Honduran and Nicaraguan and Paraguayan. a Paraguayan. Paraguayan?

It says Paraguayan. It is available through Bocock Brothers website, a lit cigar lounge in Chesterfield, Missouri, and lit pipe and cigars in St. Charles, Missouri. To play a role in Mizzou's centennial is a genuine honor, Brian Bocock, co-founder of Bocock Premium Cigars.

Said in a press release, we wanted to craft a release that truly honors a century of Saturdays at Forat Field, giving Tigers I wonder how their sales are doing. I mean, this is obviously not their first college cigar. It's interesting, you know, because there's two retailers and then them. Right, those are the one in Missouri.

That's not even really super close to the stadium, I don't think. But how big is Missouri? I don't know. And I gotta be honest, I don't trust you guys anymore when it comes to geography.

Right. Those are the ones in Missouri that's not even really super close to the stadium, I don't think. But how big is Missouri? I don't know.

And I got to be honest, I don't trust you guys anymore when it comes to geography. Which is not happening. St. Charles is where we used to live.

That's over by St. Louis. So from Mizzou, which I think is west, I think it's two and a half, three hours from St. Charles.

Did they get there? Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. And Chesterfield's around that area, too, so those are more the St. Louis area. I mean, how many retail shops are in Missouri?

I don't know. We're in one in Pacific. Yeah. But you know what I mean?

Like, I wonder where the- There's three downtown by the Arch. Okay. So then there's these two, so, and then- There's at least five. They opened a CI there.

There's six. Yeah. Does that count? And then there's one I used to go to where we live, so that's seven.

Is it still there? I don't know, I don't go back. It was a house turned into a cigar shop, which is what a lot of that stuff up that way is. Where are these guys based out of?

The Bocock brothers? Yeah. In Bocockville. Yeah, Bocockville.

Bocockian. Yeah, they're Bocockian. We should talk to them one time. They're Paraguayans.

Nah, I don't want to. What am I going to call them for? Well, their cigar is a super niche thing, right? I mean, I think that it's good, because at least it introduces other people to cigars, but you just-- The younger crowd.

Yeah, but you need the cigars to be exceptional. It would be nice to find out, like, they were sold at the student unions or something on the campus. Yeah. But I guess they probably had a tobacco license, so they probably could.

Yeah, you probably, yeah. What we need to do is we need to get the old guy from the villages, and we need to just post him up in the library in a closet. Oh, oh, the guy from the, yeah, right, yeah, he gets a job at the school store. Yeah, he's like a maintenance man or something, and then he says, "Just come on in here," and just opens his door.

Come on over here. Yeah. Damn, those Pocock cigars. Right.

Shh, not in public. I don't touch the money. Yeah, keep it low. You leave it there, and you walk in the room.

Take your two, and then move on. Right. Keep it moving, pal, I got a mop. All right, anything else?

Nope. Mop it out front. Nope. Nope, that's it, that's all we got.

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Show Notes

On this episode of the Cigar Hustlers Podcast, the crew reviews and discusses the latest from Drew Estate and Caldwell.A full cigar-industry news discussion — reviews, interviews, and commentary, plus the week's wildest headlines.In episode 622 of the Cigar Hustlers Podcast, host Mike BDP runs from the news desk to the humidor — reacting to the week's headlines before digging into cigar news and reviews featuring Drew Estate and Caldwell. Honest conversation and industry commentary, new episodes every weekday.CHAPTERS0:00 Cold open & welcome1:24 Show merch & where to find CHPOD51:42 "What's the Score?" game