ACHP Columbus, Cigars and Controversy
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Welcome to episode 385 of the
Cigar Hustler Podcast.
Hello, Michael.
What's going on, buddy?
How are you?
Good.
This week on Friday, May 2nd,
we're having a big Drew Estate
event upstairs.
Here at Cigar Hustler.
Yes, here at Cigar Hustler.
Excellent.
Upstairs, upstairs.
KD Abraham will be here giving
away all sorts of stuff.
OK, all sorts of stuff DE.
Has the swag.
DE swag.
As Jonathan Drew said when he
was in Macau.
The best swag ever.
The best swag ever.
We had the best swag.
Yes, Sir.
I wonder if there's food.
There's always food.
There's going to be food.
There's lots of food.
We have food.
We have swag.
The best swag all.
Right.
Is that all you got for?
For what's?
Yeah, that's this week.
I'm on another podcast.
Been out for a couple of weeks.
You just did one.
Yeah.
I did developing palates.
You did.
Devout.
Yeah.
That was the one you were on
last week.
We'll we'll get.
We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll.
We will get into that later.
We'll cover that.
All right, This week's training
topics.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
is officially announced, its
2025 class of inductees
highlighting a blend of iconic
legends and rising stars.
In political news, President
Trump has threatened to
reinstate Columbus Day.
I didn't even know that wasn't
the thing anymore.
It's called something else.
Rising the previous Reversing
the Yes recognition of
Indigenous Peoples Day.
Listen, I don't understand how
you discover a country when
people are already there.
It just doesn't make any sense
to me.
Well, you discover the country,
not the people.
I have discovered this, but
we're we're here.
Well, he discovered it for
Spain.
Was it Spain?
I believe it was Spain, and that
qualifies.
Well, Spain has never been here
before.
So then they can claim it.
Yes.
Yeah, the way there are people
here.
Yeah, what if it was a Spanish
Indium?
Then he would be from Spain and
they would have claimed it.
We have boots with us again this
week, folks.
There's booty.
We've missed you, Boots.
Welcome.
Back people have.
Missed you guys.
People have been concerned.
I, I was concerned myself.
I just couldn't make it, man.
He's.
Not dead to rumors that may or
may not have been started by our
show.
Oh, Lauren.
Good.
I know every time I I was trying
to make it here, man, it's just
work.
I apologize.
Try to be better here.
What's that's right?
What's rule #1?
Try to be better.
Don't be sorry.
Be better.
Well, welcome back.
We missed you.
Thank you.
Turning to sports, Milwaukee
Bucks star Damian Lilliard.
Lilliard.
Is that how you say his last
name?
No.
But how did he say his last
name?
No.
We'll.
Try one more time.
Lillard Lillard maybe sidelined
for remainder of the season due
to a serious Achilles injury.
Yeah controversy hits the NFL is
the son of Falcons defensive
coordinator made a fake draft
night phone call to Shadoo.
I look this one up.
That's how you say his name.
This.
Is going to be the best story
the whole.
Day or Sanders drawing heavy
criticism?
OK, then.
In cigar news, Alec and Bradley
released a new cigar crafted for
solo enjoyment.
Alter This, USA's debut in Monte
Cristo cigar package in a
collector's jar.
Oh, and comedian Marlon Wayans
enters a cigar world with his
first signature release.
Yes.
One of your eyelids is heavier
than the other one.
My eye.
Is it this one?
Yeah, yeah, that one's red and
watering.
I don't know what happened.
Soon as I got here today, I
started sneezing, my eyes
wandering and my nose is
running.
I.
Feel like coop is attacking you
is what?
It is.
Is that what it is?
It's the coop curse.
The coop curse Oh.
Damn it, he's gone after me.
I'm not the one who even said
the bad stuff yet.
He's in the pincushion right now
yet.
All right, Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame 2025 inductees are here.
See who made the list.
The boys club that come that
comprises this year's Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame class also
contains a female solo musician
who has always been a striking
presence.
Miss Cyndi Lauper, Missus
Missus, Is she married?
I don't know.
I don't know who that is.
A lot of people.
Cyndi Lauper?
You know what Cyndi Lauper is
from the 80s?
No.
Singer.
Singer.
She did the videos with the big
luau something the wrestler who
had the Band-Aid, not the the
rubber bands on the safety pins
in his face.
The big Luau.
No Lou Lou Albano or something
like that was his name.
He was from WWE.
Yeah, well, it meant WWF back
then.
Big Lou.
Big Lou?
No idea.
But a lot of these people on
this list, it's like, why aren't
they already in?
'Cause it took a while, then you
only do so many inductees every
year, whatever.
Yeah, but some of these people,
but they don't even sing
anymore.
Well, I I don't even know who
this person is.
What was?
Sandy Lauper song?
Yeah, I don't know, Boots, can
you look up a Sandy Lauper song,
please?
It was girls just want to have
fun.
There you go, I know that this.
One of your favorites?
You sing that all the time when
you walk around.
All the time.
Yeah.
All right.
Sandy's among the seven new
inductees whittled from a list
of 14 announced earlier this
year, who spotlight a more
conventional rock lineup
accepting Atlanta hip hop
innovators outcast then the
Geneer diverse classes of recent
years.
The newest entrance announced
during the live broadcast of the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Night
episode of American Idol.
I'm not a big fan of American
Idol.
It's it jumped the shark years
ago, buddy.
Yeah.
So here's the people that have
made the list this year.
All right, spit it out already.
Bad Company.
OK, Chubby Checker.
He's dead, right?
He's been around a long time,
probably.
Yeah, he was like Doo wop.
Yeah, he's like back in the 50s.
It hasn't cleared yet, you know
what I mean?
He's been running this whole
time, Joe.
Cocker been around forever.
I'm not.
Sure, if he's alive.
Oh.
It's Cocker I.
Think it's Cocker?
It's Chuck.
Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Outcast.
I've heard of them.
I'm not sure they are.
Soundgarden.
I've heard of them, not sure
where.
They are.
Oh my God, yeah.
And The White Stripes?
No idea.
White stripes, OK.
What kind of music do they sing?
Rock.
Yeah, they're like Soundgarden.
Yeah, Soundgarden's a little
more grunge.
Well, yeah.
Outkast is grunge too, right?
Outkast.
Outkast is rap.
Hey ya.
Oh, is rap?
Yeah.
Why is he in the rock'n'roll?
Shouldn't it be able to be
Rock'n'roll?
Should just be called the Music
Hall of Fame at this point.
Yeah, I think they did like a
breakthrough.
Like I think it was like 10
years ago when they inducted
somebody from rap.
You want them to change it to
like the They them Hall of Fame?
Yes, make it neutral.
Make it neutral.
I'm about to seize my eyes,
starting to water.
That's over.
The full induction ceremony airs
live November 8th from the
Peacock Theatre in Los Angeles
on Disney Plus and arrives on
Hulu the next day.
A condensed version will air on
ABC at a yet to be announced
date.
So basically you can see it
everywhere.
Everybody's going to watch on
ABC because it's condensed.
Right.
You know, just sit here, you
know, just sit through all the
speeches and everything, right?
Give me the short short version.
Right.
Those who didn't make the cut
this year include the Black
Crows.
Billy Idol.
Why aren't they?
Wow.
Yeah.
Why aren't they?
Billy Idol.
Yeah, why aren't they already
in?
And the Black Crows, They've
been around a long time.
Yeah.
Manna and fish.
I don't even know who that is.
Listen, here's what I'm going to
tell you about any of this
stuff.
All the Academy Awards, it's all
bullshit.
Just get everybody together to
try and get views and readings
and who gives a shit?
Right.
I don't care if somebody's in
the Hall of Fame.
This is people voted,
apparently.
I don't know how they come up
with the choices, right?
But then the public votes.
And then they say who gets in?
Yeah, but you don't know if
that's accurate or not.
Oh, Chubby Checker, I don't
think he stands a chance.
No, he's in.
Oh, he's in the I thought it was
an these.
Are the inductees.
No, the first group was the
inductees.
There are several that didn't
make it.
Got it.
So I mean, he made it over the
top of Billy Idol.
It was a little more recent
this.
Is just so dumb.
I mean, who's voting for Chubby
Checker?
You don't even know.
You couldn't even name one of
his songs.
Most of the people that know
Chubby Checker or listen to the
songs back in the day are not
alive either, right?
Exactly.
That's what I'm.
Saying that's my point.
It doesn't even make sense.
Mariah Carey didn't make it.
I just want to see all this
stuff go away eventually, I
don't care.
New Joy Division slash new
order.
Who was who was that?
No idea.
They've been up twice and
they've lost both times.
Yeah, because nobody knows who
they are.
No.
No.
What about Joy Division?
Wait.
I think I remember reading you
pay to get nominated and then
they vote.
Oh, you gotta throw cash at it
too.
Yeah, what a racket.
Well, you know the Hollywood
Walk of Fame, you can get one if
you have $20,000.
Oh really?
Yeah, you just pay for those. 20
G's.
Yeah, just 20 G's.
That's it, That's it.
I feel like we could put that
together.
Cigar House's podcast.
Right I'm.
Not Hollywood.
We could start saving right now.
In front of some porn store or
something.
Great.
It's not even a good part of
town.
It's not a good part of town.
It would be happy because we'd
be the only one.
Though the only podcast, the
first podcast ever.
That had $20,000 Donald Trump
vows to bring about major
comeback for Columbus Day, with
which remained a federal holiday
until Biden.
I feel at this point he just,
whatever Biden said, it's we're
changing it back.
I feel like this is just one of
those theatrics things, you know
what I mean?
Is it?
Is it coming up?
Is it about to happen?
Is that why this is trending
thing now?
Yeah, I think it's coming.
Up.
I think it's it's right after
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Oh, is it right?
Yeah, that's how I use.
He's bringing that back, too.
Yeah, we're just calling it
Rock'n'roll now.
Donald Trump has vowed to bring
about a major comeback for
Christopher Columbus Day, which
he says has gone by the wayside
because of woke.
This despite the fact that the
federal holiday was marked by
Joe Biden administration
alongside Indigenous Peoples Day
since 2021.
The POTUS signaled the intention
on his Truth Social platform,
writing that he is bringing
Columbus Day back from the
ashes.
He.
He wrote.
The Democrats did everything
possible to destroy the
historical figure, his
reputation and all the Italians
that love him so much.
It says that.
Oh wow.
How did they ruin the man's
reputation?
Because he had slaves?
Is this what's wrong with
Columbus?
He killed Indians.
I don't know man, the I'm
confused with all that stuff
anyway so.
You know, here's the one thing I
think needs to happen when it
comes to the Indigenous Peoples
Day or Columbus Day holiday.
I think we just get rid of it as
a whole and just call it Monday.
I don't.
Know so no holiday one, yeah.
This is so ridiculous.
How we have the big mattress
sales and stuff we only get.
A couple right a year.
Right.
Yeah, and you're really going to
piss off the postal workers?
Yeah, they get the day off.
Do they get the day off for
Indigenous People Day too?
Is it still a federal?
It's a federal.
Holiday.
Oh yeah, the banks are closed.
So just call it Manic Monday.
Just have it a holiday.
Oh, the Italians really like the
Columbus Day.
It's so.
Ridiculous.
Or we just call it like free
day.
Free day.
Everybody off day.
Everybody off day.
Well, or mattress sale day.
Right mattress sale day.
We should move.
We should I I move for the
mattresses?
All those days we just listed
sound like mafia days.
What do we call the Mafia?
The.
Free off days.
The mafia really likes Columbus.
Yeah, it's all for it's it's,
you know, it's encrypted, it's
Italian.
He saw The Sopranos episode
where they all loved.
Mattresses.
Columbus Day.
We call it sleep with the fishes
day.
Sleep with the fish.
But we honor those that have
disappeared, not Jimmy Hoffa
Day.
Not the Plenty of fishes day the
sleep with the fishes the.
Sleep with the fish.
Not getting confused.
Plenty of Ohh that's the dating
website.
I'm like plenty of fish.
I thought I was thinking the
card game Go Fish.
The goldfish is.
Day the goldfish is day.
See, people can get confused.
That's right.
Yeah.
Christopher is going to make a
major comeback.
I am hereby reinstating Columbus
Day under the same rules, dates
and locations as it had for all
the many decades before
Indigenous Peoples Day first
coined 1977, followed by the Red
Power movement of the late.
What is the Red Power movement?
I have of the late 60s was
formally acknowledged by Biden,
though not made a federal
holiday nor serving as a
replacement for Columbus Day.
In recent years, activists
specifically from within the
Indigenous community has moved
to dismantle the mythology
surrounding Columbus as an
intrepid and pioneering
explorer, instead shining light
on his legacy of Native American
colonization and violence.
OK, so I'm currently battling
China for tariffs.
I'm marking tariffs across the
board for all countries.
The economy.
Economy's good.
It's good.
It's the best it's ever been.
It's perfect.
It's good.
The consumer rate is up, I guess
to some degree, something like
that.
I saw that.
I think today I want a piece of
Greenland to some extent.
We're having issues with the
Panama Canal.
I really want to take that over.
I'm going to stop here and we're
going to go back and I'm going
to take Christopher Columbus.
We're having a timeout timeout
I'm going to.
Take the West here, and we're
taking Christopher Columbus Day.
Just wait till those go
Christopher's church finally get
here from China.
You can't get them now. 185%
markup.
Just have Vietnam you get it's
only 10% in Vietnam.
Their fingers are.
Bigger is Vietnam only 10%.
I don't know.
I feel like the I don't think
that they're as bad.
Listen, I have no idea what's
going on.
Probably not.
Hey, I'm just sitting.
Here, not even keeping track.
I'm sitting here smoking cigars
and agitating people in the
cigar industry.
There's some people off left.
Very good at that.
For some reason I don't even
mean to be.
You're you're just, you're very,
you're trending, Michael, you're
just.
Very.
You know what's funny is I
didn't even know Coop what Coop
would be mad about when he got
upset.
We'll talk about that in a
minute.
We'll talk about that in a
minute, OK Bucks.
Damian, how do you say his last
name?
Lillard No.
What Lily?
Lillard.
Yeah, Lillard.
Back to Lillard.
Lillard, Damian Lillard.
I'm going to sneeze.
I can't see how to work.
You keep saying that.
Damian Lillard exits versus
Pacers with long leg injury
Milwaukee Bucks star Damian will
undergo an MRI on Monday to
determine the severity of the
left lower leg injury that
forced him to exit Sunday's 9th,
129 and 103 game Four loss in
the Indiana Pacers in the 1st.
Quarter, yeah.
A preliminary examination
indicated a possible Achilles
tendon injury, sources told ESPN
and Cigars or Podcast Yeah,
confirming multiple reports.
Poor Lilard.
Yeah, poor Lilard.
Just being honest, it's not very
not very promising, Bucks coach
Doc Rivers said.
I like the name Doc.
That's whore his Achilles man.
That's not how you say his last
name though.
Rivers, yeah.
Yeah.
Rivars, yeah.
Lillard was injured while trying
to help secure an offensive
rebound midway through the first
quarter.
After tapping the ball away boop
from a Pacers player, Damon fell
to the ground and grabbed his
left leg ow remaining down for
the next defensive possession.
So wait, if you get injured in a
basketball, they don't stop?
His name is Lillard.
OK, well, whatever, I'm.
Damian Lillard.
They stop next dead ball.
Yeah, so they keep playing, but
you're laying there on the court
pretty much, and they can't send
the little guys to wipe the
sweat off the floor to drag you
out or.
Anything the little guys?
There's always guys with the
towels, you know, they come in
to wipe the sweat off.
They can't slide them out.
To drag the millionaires.
By their legs.
No, not by the legs.
They grab the top of his shirt.
Get some hooks or something and
just kind of drill them out.
Put the towels around his neck
like the chiropractor's shoe.
Drag them out and Lillard's off
the court.
What if, well, there's not a
dead ball for a couple of
minutes, you just lay?
Well, the rule for sportsmanship
by the other team should be they
should either throw it out of
bounds or call a timeout.
It should be usually they won't
call a timeout, but they'll
throw it out of bounds.
And then if it's changed
possession, usually the other
team respects it and they'll
throw the ball over to them down
the court.
Oh, look at that.
I didn't know that.
I didn't either.
So in all the other sports you
get hurt.
Everything in I.
Just want to know if my if my
guy goes down or if somebody
else's the other team's guy goes
down when I get the ball.
I'm taking advantage of that
shit.
It's playoff season, right?
I'm getting the dumb, I'm taking
the extra.
Two points.
I'm a dunk it you call time out.
I mean, hockey, OK, they fight
anyway, so that doesn't stop,
right?
Football with the plays?
Well, no, I can.
Get hurt, dead ball.
Yeah, they're dead ball, but
that seems to end faster than
basketball A.
Down.
Yeah.
How long is a play?
10 seconds.
Right, exactly.
Unless somebody's sprinting down
the field then it's not gonna
matter anyways.
Right.
You're way far away, Yeah, but I
mean, you could be in the way.
If you're in basketball and you
fall down and get hurt, Yeah,
they just step on you or kick
you as you walk back.
Yeah, well, you don't.
You don't want to kick Damian
Lillard?
Yeah, sure.
Or Lillard.
Or Lillard.
Either one.
Yeah, they're brothers.
What's really kind of funny is
they're this guy was one of the
greats in the game and he's had
nothing but injuries, injury,
injury.
Now he's getting old.
Well, yeah.
How do you feel?
Yeah, yeah.
He's.
I think a lot of I think a lot
of these guys that are that are
getting injured are old.
I mean, Luca's been playing in
the league for how long?
And everybody's like, oh, he's
so injury brought.
Well, yeah, he's been playing
professional basketball for 20
some years, like.
He's also overweight.
Yeah, he's also overweight.
Oh, he is.
He's.
Fat and old.
Yeah, now he's in LA, so he's
eating good.
Well, that's why he lost.
That's why I left Dallas.
He had good food in.
LA because he was pudgy.
Yeah, there's a lot of.
He was a Chubby Checker.
That's called the recall.
Thank you.
He was held to his feet during
the next dead ball and needed
assistance leaving the court
while putting no weight on his
left leg.
He was escorted to the locker
room and the team ruled him out
for the rest of the game.
And the season.
I knew it right away, River
said.
I felt bad for him.
The guy tried to come back for
his team.
I just felt bad for him.
So basically he felt bad.
So doc felt bad.
Damien was in a walking boot and
on crutches when he left the
arena.
When you see a guy like that not
able to walk in his own, you
know this might be serious.
You think he's done?
Yeah.
Season over.
Yeah, he, I think he's a tough
guy, but I, I think, I think
this is the end for him.
Like career done.
Career ending injury, yeah.
It's over, Johnny, pack your
bags.
I mean, the whole reason why he
went to Milwaukee anyway is he's
looking for the ring because you
couldn't do it in Portland.
Doesn't look like that's
happening anyways.
Who do you think's going to win
this this year?
I.
Don't know, man.
The Nuggets, they pull
everything out.
So you guys are looking pretty
good.
I mean, Boston looks pretty
good, but you know, I'm biased
about that.
Right now.
So I think it's going to be
Boston again.
Dude, Boston defensively is
amazing.
They first of all, the Magic
should have won that game.
They threw it away.
Yeah.
But I think realistically,
you're going to see a repeat.
I think it's going to be Boston.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Denver.
You know Jokic, man, that guy's
unstoppable as long as his
supporting cast is good.
It's just one guy.
Well, I mean, we could talk
about the Jordan era.
He was not just one guy.
He really did a lot of it
himself.
Pippin Rodman.
Jordan made all the big shots.
Yeah, he had one of the best
defensive, He had the best
defensive player in the league
on his team.
I mean.
He's still the greatest of all
time.
I'm not.
I'm not discounting that.
I'm just saying that he still
had a team around him.
I guess I mean, I mean, Golden
State proved that you don't need
defense to win games.
Yeah, well, I mean, Steph
Curry's a beast.
Yeah, he's just, he makes it
look easy.
They're they're not doing too
bad either.
No, they're hanging in there.
They're, you know, all right.
He was injured, but it was last
year.
Right leg, big vein, thumb,
thrombosis.
Hula lard, Yeah.
Yeah, well, he has a a disease.
He has like a disease thing he
has.
A disease, yeah, that's.
The thing you're talking about.
Oh, that's not they said he came
back.
Yeah, they say you can recover
from it, but you always have it.
It's just when it like flares up
or acts out or whatever you.
Want to call it Yeah, herpes?
He has herpes.
No, he does not.
Yeah, I don't start that one.
He doesn't never work.
He had a flare up.
He.
Had a flare but all itchy.
He had to leave.
Allegedly.
Allegedly, All right son of
Falcons defensive coordinator
Jeff Ulbrich apologized for a
prank call made to Browns draft
pick Chador Sanders.
This is a great story.
Son of Atlanta.
Falcons what?
This is a fantastic story.
Son of Atlanta Falcons defensive
coordinator Jeff Ulbrich has
apologized for a prank call made
to Chador Sanders on Friday as
he waited to be picked.
Oops, I hit the button.
Waited to be picked in the NFL
draft.
Originally one of NFL's most
touted draft prospects, Sander
received a call allegedly from
general manager of the New
Orleans Saints as he waited
anxiously to learn which NFL
team would select him.
But the call turned out to be a
prank.
Jax Olbrich, the Falcons coach
his son, took down Instagram a
Sunday to issue a public apology
on Friday night.
I made a tremendous mistake.
What I did was completely
inexcusable, embarrassing and
shameful, he wrote.
It's funny as hell.
I am so sorry I took away from
your moment.
It was selfish and childish.
I could never imagine getting
ready to celebrate one of the
greatest moments of your life
and made a terrible mistake and
mess with that moment.
Thank you for accepting my call
earlier today.
I hope you can find it in your
heart to forgive me.
Sanders, who played for the
University of Colorado, is the
son of Colorado coach and Pro
Football Hall of Famer Deion.
Sanders could not be reached for
comment.
He also has not yet reached to
the development.
Not reacted.
Sorry.
He not yet reacted to the
development on social media.
The hoax was captured on video
and was posted online Saturday
by well off media production
company owned by Shadur's
brother, Deion Sanders Junior in
the video of the caller posed as
Saints general.
Oh, they have the entire video.
It's been.
Yeah, I've seen it.
But you're saying that's the
brothers company?
Right.
What a stunt.
It's amazing dude.
It's listen, is it childish and
selfish?
100% How old is this guy?
He's a kid.
He's a kid, yeah.
He's a kid, he's being a kid,
he's doing kid stuff.
My question is where do you get
the phone number?
He got it from his dad,
obviously.
Hey Dad, does does Dion still
have his phone number on the
bathroom wall?
He used Shudor's number because
I saw the video and Shudor's
walking away.
He goes.
Nobody has this number.
Yeah.
How does, how does that happen?
Nobody has his number.
It was a longer story and there
was explanation on how he got.
Yeah.
The number I didn't read now he.
Probably took it from his dad.
Yeah, he probably got it for
some files.
Yeah, I mean, it's not hard to
connect the dots here.
Well, your father is the what?
The defensive coordinator for
the Atlanta Falcons.
Well, he's fired now.
No, he's not fired.
That's hilarious.
This is a hilarious situation
because.
You don't think there's any
consequences for the father?
No.
Why is that a hilarious
situation?
I just think it's hilarious how
this kid, I mean, OK, look, yes,
it's a big moment, I get it.
But he was going to make a team.
Even if he didn't get drafted,
he's going to make a team.
His brother gets signed.
He's better than his brother.
He's barely got signed by the
Bucks.
Right.
So for this guy to call him and
then it's now being posted
during the draft by his brother.
Right.
That's Sanders, brother.
It just makes it even better.
Well, his brother probably had
things set up to videotape him
as he's getting the call.
No, Yeah, it's funny.
The real call.
Yeah, so he has the.
He has the.
Content, he has the content and
go bro, we should just put this
out.
And that's what he did.
Right, you're going to be
famous.
Sir, because it's hilarious.
Yeah, it's exactly what they
did.
Right.
Yeah, you lean into that sort of
thing, 100 percent, 100%.
Yeah, I mean, it was not that
big a deal.
I mean, no harm, no foul.
I mean, I'm sure he was
disappointed, you know?
And ha ha ha, funny, funny.
OK, so it was kind of a
struggling day for Shadur.
Oh, I'm sure it is.
It's a very stressful day for
all those.
Well, listen, he was supposed to
be like a top.
It was a stressful.
Week for.
Him draft pick and he wound up
going, what'd he go round three,
Round 4?
Late three, yeah.
Late in round three to
Cleveland.
And then there's all this
speculation as to why that
happened and all this stuff and
everybody's trying to figure it
all out and you know, I don't
know how we got there and I'm
I'm curious to hear your point
of view, boots.
But I will say this.
Cleveland spent way too much
money on Deshaun Watson.
That's quite apparent at this
point.
And now they just got a
quarterback for blue light
special Kmart discount and he's
going to be an absolute stud.
And and to be honest, now that
he went that low, I feel like
he's got even more to prove.
Yeah, I mean, I, I don't
disagree.
I I think he is a good player.
I mean, regardless of what he
has done, I mean, he's already
got the pedigree in him, right.
So I mean, they at least he has
that going for him.
He's probably got the speed,
he's got the strength, you know,
he's the agility, all the good
stuff.
But at the end of the day, he
went to Cleveland.
Yeah.
I don't know if he's gonna excel
there.
Well.
I feel like you go to Cleveland
and die.
Well, you got to go to a place
where somebody needs a
quarterback.
Well, they always need a
quarterback in Cleveland.
Yeah, yeah.
They always need a quarterback.
How do you feel about that,
Palmer?
I have no idea what.
You're talking about his eyes.
His eyes very itchy and red.
Yes, my eyes very itchy and red.
I do have a question though.
Adrian asked me this question
because she was somewhere and
saw part of the draft on TV.
How do these kids have the hats
of the team that called?
Did they know in advance that
they're getting a phone call?
No, they have all the hats.
Yeah, that's what I told her to
go.
I imagine they have all the
hats.
Yeah.
They have 32 hats.
Oh, oh, so there's not like they
know, like the chances are I'm
getting picked by one of these
five teams.
Or at least five hats.
That could be possible too.
OK.
You know, if if they did a
combine and they had, you know.
Scouts imagine, yeah, I said.
Scouts have visited, there's
been interviews of some sort.
So I mean, they might have a
feeling they can whittle it down
to three or five or.
Something.
Yeah, that's very possible.
OK, but you still never know,
got you.
You probably wouldn't need the
32 hats on standby, just.
In case, well, like the
Cleveland Browns just picked up
this kid and then he, he, he
thought he was going sooner.
Well, I think that I think.
Do you think that Dionne screwed
this up for Shadour?
I, I think there's just too much
publicity beforehand and too
much, I'm not going to say too
much confidence, but kind of too
much confidence, right?
There's probably another word
for it, but it's good to be in,
you know, confident with
yourself and your skill set and
everything.
But then it's kind of like
bragging too much at a certain
point, you know?
Yeah, and.
I think that's where they went.
Well, Dion went and did
interviews and he said he's not
going to Cleveland, he's not
going to New York.
He said.
A bunch of these teams that you
know we're going to win a
championship.
Well, here's the problem, right?
Well, every father's going to
say that.
Dion.
That's a mistake.
Dion can be flashy and
overconfident because that's
Dion.
But he made him.
He made that character from the
NFL.
His son is is who?
To be proven at this point.
Right, exactly.
So he can't be super flashy.
I mean, look at Jimmy Horn
Junior.
That was a great wide receiver,
right?
He got drafted.
Nobody even really knew he got
drafted.
I mean, look at the two
differences here.
Jimmy Horn Junior, his dad is a
Super Bowl ring holder, You
know, I mean, he's a great
player shooter or should do or
Sanders.
I mean, his dads are great.
But again, you just, you
shouldn't be too overconfident
when you're first getting NFL
because to be honest, you
haven't played the NFL yet.
This is a completely different
caliber.
Sure.
So I think he's going to do
great.
Yeah, maybe.
I'm looking forward to it, you
know.
Me too.
Oh, to answer your question or
to tell you something, Palmer,
you guys should watch Draft Day
and you'll learn all about how.
People, I've seen that movie.
Have you?
Yeah, that.
Paints a good portrait.
But I don't remember the hat
thing though in the movie.
There was no hat thing.
Oh.
OK.
Yeah, I don't think they.
Did hat gate?
Hat Gate, Yeah.
Does the NFL send them like a
box of hats or do they have to
go?
Buy them, I think I probably.
Because you would think like
they want him to wear a certain
hat.
I would have maybe, maybe NFL
covers it.
There's probably a company like
Fanatics or somebody that
probably sells, yeah.
So that they wear their hat.
Hey, here are the Here's the
hats.
Here's all the hats from.
All the teams you know.
You don't have to pay for them.
Right.
But just wear this hat and
everybody wants to wear the hat
that Chador had on when he was
announcing Cleveland.
Yeah.
Then the commercial comes on
after the, you know, the
drafting.
Right for the drafting.
You think I get AI?
Should get a Sanders jersey from
Jax.
Does he like Deion Sanders or
like Dora?
I got to be honest, I've never
watched the draft all the way
into the end of the third round
until this year.
I'm like, Oh my God, where is
this guy going?
I think, I think the jersey to
get is the Cam Ward.
I think that was a perfect pick.
The Cam ward, yeah, I think.
He's going to be great, man.
You know, he didn't show up
super flashy or anything.
Just like Columbus Day.
I like the cornerback pick for
Buffalo.
Oh, me too.
That was nephew.
What's?
His name?
Schwab.
Adapa.
I.
Forget Are you talking about the
kid from Gators?
I don't think so.
He's in a blue suit.
Oh nice.
He was in a blue suit.
We're watching the draft and Jax
goes, who is this kid in the
blue suit 'cause he would stop
and he would congratulate every
single person that got drafted.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So then we're start now we're
trying to figure out who he is
because we're like, now we want
to make sure that he gets
drafted.
He gets drafted high.
So.
And then when he he got drafted
to Buffalo, man, he didn't
disappoint when he was speaking.
I'm like, damn, I wish that kid
wound up in Tampa.
Pretty epic.
Oh.
Yeah.
You good?
Yeah.
OK, can't see.
All right.
All right, let's get into your
shenanigans, Michael.
Cigar Talk.
So you did developing pallets
this past week.
I did and and if you saw our
last episode, I said that Coop
would come for me and sure, sure
enough, he did.
He did he. 100% came for me a
little wound up.
It didn't end well for him in my
opinion.
No, I didn't.
Go ahead, Booch.
Why?
Why did he come after?
You, because I guess we had said
something in regards to him not
covering Guy Fieri's.
Right.
How he was.
He was tired of Guy Fieri.
Yeah, basically.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Yeah, right.
I wish I could find out where I
saw him.
I don't want an interview on me.
He said he's got the timestamp
of where he said whatever he
said.
But you know what show it was I
mean.
Yeah, I don't know.
It was in pre show or after show
or something when he runs that
little thing in the beginning
and it it wasn't like I don't
think part of the show, right?
And so how did he come after
you?
Like what did he this was on?
He said.
We made it up.
Fake news.
We made it.
Up.
Yeah, I said.
It wasn't true it.
Wasn't true that we make up
stuff all the.
Time we make stuff all the time
and that we.
Absolutely don't.
Well then, Saka said.
You don't know who he is.
He's made a career out of making
stuff up.
Somebody did that effect.
It was quite funny.
Allegedly.
You know, I will say this, Saka
did a great job keeping me
incorporated in the
conversation.
He didn't take over as much.
He didn't Saka as much as he
normally Saka.
Right.
Yeah.
Because he turned around and
said, what do you think of this?
I'm like, oh shit, I get to
talk.
Oh my goodness, right.
Oh, you're asking so I got to
speak, which was awesome.
So and.
Where were you located?
I couldn't find you.
Yeah.
Or No, Now I couldn't find you.
I didn't.
I didn't leave my booth.
Yeah, we were like the opposite
end from.
Him and then I said, oh, I'm
very sorry.
I'm texting Aaron Nielsen
currently about.
Well, I'm not sure if he has
everybody's phone number.
You don't think so?
I don't know.
I think that it's pretty funny
though that Coop didn't even
hear us say the thing that he
heard us say that he went after
on full attack because what we
said was on our Patreon.
Right, well, he said.
Either on Facebook I saw later,
either he's someone told him or
he heard it or something.
Yeah, he heard it.
He didn't actually hear the
Patreon.
Oh so.
Through the Grapevine.
Yeah, so he got all amped up
over what he heard from somebody
else and didn't even listen.
Listen, Scoop, here's what you
got to do.
I'll send you the link.
You can become a Patreon member
and then you can.
Hear all the smack dollars?
Just $10 a.
Month and then you can quote us
like.
Four to five shows every month.
You can quote us exactly on the
smack that we talk on the
Patreon.
OK, No.
No, we can't tell people.
Until then, you're pirating our
Patreon content.
Yes, so.
It's a legal U.S.
Federal law.
That's right, we do not want to
have to bring in the authority.
And we don't appreciate that.
That's not nice.
No, it's the only way we make
money.
We don't take advertisers and
they'll rate their cigars high.
Yeah.
We don't do that.
We don't do that here.
I don't know who does, but I've,
you know, some shows, I'm sure.
Oh boy, they make their number
one.
You know, the one that's behind
them on the wall.
Happen, I guess, anywhere you
happen anywhere.
You know what was also kind of
funny about that whole scenario?
Now I just lost my train of
thought because he's home for
too much stick.
We're taking on new shows if any
of you guys are interested.
So, you know, growing our
network.
What was I going to say?
Oh, man.
Very successful.
Yeah.
So he's talking.
He's saying these things about
us, but he didn't even hear
them.
Nah, well, I mean, everybody
says we make up stuff.
That's so so how?
So how?
We make stuff up.
We read other people's news.
So, so how is how is he any
different than us if he's just
going off of what he heard from
somebody else?
Exactly.
It's what we do.
Yeah, we go.
So what's the difference, buddy?
We hear a rumor somewhere and we
talk about it.
Oh, he's rumor free, but
apparently not.
Apparently not.
Apparently he's not.
Not rumor free.
Now I remember what I was going
to say.
Yes.
OK, go ahead, guys.
Then we got to run down all
these things that he has.
You know, what's really kind of
sad is if he considers the
Espinoza guys his dear friends
and family, he shouldn't be so
antagonistic.
The fact that Cigar Aficionado
was covering this.
Why?
Why does he hate Cigar
Aficionado?
You know, I don't really care if
he does or if he doesn't, but
it's like I.
Don't care if he doesn't.
Well, here's the deal.
I'm curious.
But like here's here's
hypothetical.
Let's say that you were, you
know, covering, you had a cigar
release.
And I'm just a media guy and
I've been, you know, I've been a
fan of yours and good friend of
yours the whole time.
And you're going to go do this
release party and it's going to
be covered by Cigar Aficionado
magazine.
But I don't like them.
I'm still going to show up to
that thing.
Right, sure 'cause you're my
friend.
Right.
I'm going in, I'm going to show
up and attend because you're my
boy, right?
Even if I hated them, I'm like,
fuck those guys.
I don't care.
I'm still showing up for.
Shit coverage, right?
I'll do a better job.
Right.
Exactly.
They're not going to cover you.
Maybe he doesn't care because he
has no love for the industry
anymore.
He did say that he's not
passionate about the industry.
But case in point.
Paycheck's not big enough cigar.
Aficionado didn't release
anything.
They didn't give any.
There was no.
Very little PCA coverage.
Yeah, and there was very little
Guy Fieri coverage.
That's where I'm getting my news
now because they're not doing
PCA news.
Because they're not.
They're doing other.
News.
Everybody else is doing PCA
news, right?
Everybody else, I mean, half
wheel where we get all their
stories.
So Charlie, if you could, you
know, speed this up a little
bit, I know you have a lot of
coverage to go through.
You could get on get on with it
already.
Get on with the regular news
'cause you.
Know just give us your server
address so that way we can just
get the stories quicker.
So how do you feel about Coop
coming flat out attacking us
violently, allegedly, I don't
know, the violent?
Yelling so allegedly the way
that I feel about allegedly.
Well, the way that you feel
about it's not allegedly, you're
allowed to have feelings.
Can I?
Yeah, I, I don't know, man.
I just how I've always kind of
felt about that individual is
that he's his heart's definitely
not in cigars.
I feel like he's always into
something else, whether it's
I've watched his show a couple
times, most of the time it's
about baseball or it's about
something completely different
than watch because.
The intro because he does do
sports at the beginning.
I I think I've watched like the
most 3 minutes maybe?
There's 3 1/2 to 4 hours of
stuff you can.
Watch.
No, I have never watched the
whole show, I can promise you
that.
I watch enough to get the little
funny stuff in between me and
you on the chats and stuff and
then I get out.
Here I am.
Funny, funny, funny.
I think he's still passionate
about the scar industry.
He said.
But I'm using his words.
OK.
And and the other thing is, is
why didn't he come to you to ask
you about the situation instead
of just kind of going after it?
I think it's funny that I didn't
even think it was a big deal.
Right.
I mean it obviously it's not a
big deal, but I'm just saying.
We went back and tried to find
it because we didn't remember
what we said.
Why did why did I say that?
It was what did we say?
It was way more entertaining for
us that he got upset.
He gave us good content because
of it.
I love that.
But I, I honestly still think
he's still passionate in the
industry.
I I just think that he's a
little more Jaden now.
I think that this industry will
jade you man.
Sure it does.
Without question, right?
And I mean.
He gets mad if he doesn't get a
press release.
He gets mad if somebody else
gets it first.
He gets mad if Cigar Aficionado
does anything.
So yeah, I mean, he's taking
lumps and like you said, he's
he's jaded now.
He just needs a hug.
He just needs a big, big old
hug.
Yeah.
He doesn't cross me as a hugger.
Yeah, I think that's where, you
know, it's like.
Is that it?
Would you just hug because it
wasn't skip?
Tried to no skip waves.
Skip.
No.
Skip tried to hug him.
Oh, tried that.
And he got mad.
He got mad.
Oh, he doesn't like to touch.
Well, he doesn't like to be
interrupted.
He said it was during an
interview or something alleged.
And he did shush me.
He.
Shushed you oh he came up behind
him and they were doing He was a
cameraman so I walked by and
then I.
When I walked up, he shush me.
Oh.
You didn't make a big deal.
Oh man, I.
Didn't even get a chance to talk
yet.
Like I didn't even get to say
anything.
You even say anything?
Did you say a single word?
No.
I walked away.
My God, you gotta shush me and I
gotta stand here.
Don't you dare ever shush the
number one show.
Dare shush me again, I should
have yelled.
Don't shush me.
Exactly.
You got to make a big deal about
it, you.
Don't want to interrupt somebody
else's content?
Nice.
They were interviewing someone.
Not Guy Fiery.
Yeah, apparently not, guys.
Yeah, yeah, that's the one that
could have yelled.
Don't shush me, right?
Don't shush me.
We are also friends with the
Espinoza people.
And we will give them coverage.
Unfortunately, we weren't there
at Cigar Media.
Yeah, we did not go.
We can't go to the PC as media
anymore.
We're too busy.
Yeah.
OK.
So I have an Anthony Mackie
update.
Anthony Mackie.
Yeah, Anthony Mackiegate.
You know, Captain America, the
guy who wouldn't take pictures
of people and stuff.
Like that?
Yes.
Yes.
So I asked him to take a picture
of this necklace that I had.
Right?
Right.
And he didn't take it.
Oh, oh, that's right.
Yeah, because he's not nice.
He's a hey well.
No, he's.
Allegedly, I'm just going with
the.
First of all, I'm going to tell
you right now, I think he's
actually pretty nice because
what he said to me was, hey, if
you want give me, give me your
address and I will send you an,
an autographed photo for this
kid.
He thought it was my son, but
he's not, you know, said OK,
here's the, here's the address.
Thanks, man.
So I didn't think he was going
to send anything.
Sure shit.
The guy sent a autographed
signature photo of Captain
America.
Movie poster thing or something?
Yeah, sent it to my house with
Levi's name on it and
everything, and it's signed with
a nice letter, the whole letter,
yeah.
How big is the picture?
It's.
About it's an 8 1/2 by 11.
It's amazing.
So was it in like a big
envelope?
Yeah, it was a sent priority
mail.
Oh yeah, guy's not messing
around, right?
Yeah.
So Clarence, Clarence is my
friend.
You know what Clarence is.
Who's Clarence?
That's who he played in Eight
Mile OH.
Yeah, I thought his name was
Anthony.
So his name is Anthony.
His character name he's.
Captain America.
He is Captain America, and we
appreciate you, Anthony.
Thank you for sending the
autograph.
Thank you.
What a guy did what he said
what?
Did what he said he was.
Going to do?
Yeah, He's a man of his word.
He did what he said he was going
to do.
Worthy of being someone's hero.
He is hero worthy.
We're no longer allowed at
smoking.
Why?
I think we're still allowed at
smoking.
I don't think so.
Just add it to the list.
All right?
Cigar News The latest line from
Alec Bradley, a brand called Do
Not Disturb.
In addition to that, Alec
Bradley's black market will be
getting 2 new sizes.
But we're not really.
That's not important right now.
Do Not Disturb is for anyone
looking to take a break and
enjoy a moment of peace, says
Bradley Rubin, brand ambassador
for Alec Bradley.
It's an open invitation to find
your space whenever that's a
lounge that when, wherever,
wherever, weather, a weather
that's a lounge.
The porch, the garage, you just
unwind with a cigar that feels
familiar and easy to enjoy.
We're excited to offer something
that pairs perfectly with those
well earned moments.
So they've taken a cigar?
Yes.
And an industry is built around
camaraderie, people smoking
together.
It blurs all social lines
between blue and white collar
people, politicians, garbage
men.
People come together in groups
and they smoke.
There's actually a nape work
called Herfs and they've made a
cigar where fuck all that you
sit by yourself.
Leave me alone, leave me alone,
leave me alone.
That's the next cigar coming out
from Alec of Alec and Bradley.
Well, they can't, because Kasaka
came out with the Now leave me
the hell alone.
Well, they just take the word
how about 20% change all you got
to.
Do 20% change and that works.
Right, so Bradley made the do
not Disturb and Alec is coming
out with the leave me alone.
OK, I'm going to play devil's
advocate on this one.
Do you smoke a lot in a cigar
lounge?
No for work.
For work, right?
OK, so where do you normally
smoke?
In my car.
In your car or here OK where
there's no one else around.
I smoked at the beach this
weekend.
There was a lot of people there.
OK, do you smoke on the patio at
your house?
No normally at home if I'm
smoking it's doing yard work cuz
it makes it less worky.
So you're by yourself.
My wife is doing yard work also.
You're by yourself.
So you're by yourself.
Yeah, but I mean, that's just a
situation.
I'm not.
I don't need a special cigar
because I don't want to be
around people.
It's just I have something to do
and it's outside, so the
opportunity to have a cigar is
there.
I smoke by myself.
Yeah, I smoke by myself all the
time.
Back patio.
You still smoking your patio by
yourself?
Your wife's there.
Yeah, so the.
But she's not smoking a cigar
with him, right?
Yes, but that's not what cigars
were made for.
They're made for to bring
people.
They're made to be lit.
Who are you to define when I
should and shouldn't smoke my
cigar?
The Cigar Police Co host of a
cigars.
Or podcast.
You know the cigar police.
I have a cigar police.
You should be smoking with
peoples.
You should be smoking with
peoples all the time.
All the time.
Now I have my second T-shirt.
Cigar police.
Cigar police.
Did you finish the T-shirt?
Not yet, no.
I tried doing the logo like you
said the thing but it it doesn't
understand.
I use grok.
Grok did it last time.
Oh, to put the pee in.
Yeah, I'll fix it.
I fix, don't worry.
Because it made the one I did,
it went the A.
The B was fine.
Yeah.
And then it turned the D into
the, tried to make it look like
the P, and then the P was a mix
of the D and the P.
See the AI stuff is so dumb.
It's not intelligent.
It should be.
It's artificial retardedness or
something.
I don't.
Know.
Yeah, it's not.
It's not quite.
No, so like so we went to
Volcano Bay, yes.
And they were doing this thing
called Volcano Bay Nights.
And I was like, oh, I wonder if
we can get into that because we
showed up kind of late.
So I typed in Google and
Google's AI said, yeah, you can
get into Volcano Bay Nights free
of charge 'cause you're a
Premier Pass holder.
I was like, oh, perfect.
Then I go there and they're
like, no, you can't get in.
Like what do you mean it?
Says it says right here.
Google AI says that I can't.
AI says I'm in.
Like, no, you have to get
additional tickets in order to
get into a volcano Bay Nights.
Oh, so then I had to go in and
look on the interwebs and it
said sure, sure enough that I
had to buy the ticket.
Oh.
So yeah, that's weird.
Artificial intelligence and not
so intelligent.
No, no, no.
There was a report that came out
this morning.
Wall Street Journal did an
investigation and I guess there
are meta AI voices that talk to
you in like Disney character
voices or actors from Disney
movie voices and they were
having sex with children.
No.
Yeah, something of that effect.
Allegedly.
Well, allegedly.
Well, somebody posted it on
Facebook.
So I thought, well, this is
stupid, just another.
So I Googled it.
I can't find the Wall Street
Journal story, but there is an
ABC News story, CNN News, that
references the Wall Street
investigation, Wall Street
Journal investigation.
So it's kind of really legit.
The first two websites were ones
I have never heard before.
I'm like, no, that OK, it's not
real.
But then I found legit news
place.
I don't.
Know, man, I don't know about
all that.
That sounds a little over the
top.
Yeah, I don't know, but it what
it is out in the news today.
Is it like some 13 year old, a
14 year old kid being a punk
with AI?
Now there was some, I forget who
the actor was, but there was the
transcript they put in where
whoever the actor was, his
character was talking to a kid
and a cop came up and a chew
accused the character of
statutory rape of the child
because and then it was some
detailed sexual thing that the
character had done with the kid
or something.
OK, I don't know about all that.
I'll have to look into that, but
you?
Would think Wall Street Journal
would be coming out with the
story because everybody else is
referencing their investigation.
I don't believe any of it to be
honest until I until I look
further into it.
Right.
That should be all over the TV
if it was being investigated.
All over the TV.
All over the TV thing.
The T to the V.
Pretty interesting.
All right, they'll leave me the
hell alone.
Cigars producing.
Can I make somebody sound like
coop and can they sexually
harass me?
Oh, I guess that.
'D be great, so make it sound
like have a statue, have a
police officer approached me
with some cigar coupe's voice.
Produced in the Dominican
Republic at the Tabacolera La
Isla factory, Do Not Disturb
consists of Connecticut Seed
rapper Grownoon in Ecuador, a
Dominican Creole hole binder and
a mix of Dominican and Mexican
fillers.
According to the company, the
cigars are intended to be medium
in body.
Do Not Disturb comes in three
sizes.
A Robusto when you only want to
be alone for a little bit, A
Toro when you want to be alone
for a good hour, and the Gordo
Oh, I'm going to sneeze again.
Gordo when you want to be alone
all day long.
All sizes shipping.
Dark blue boxes of 16.
I want to be alone all day I.
Want to be alone all day.
I need the Gordo yes shipping
boxes of 16.
It's a weird number to wipe the
water.
Out.
Yeah.
Well, six, you know, as the
prices of the cigars continue to
get higher, I would assume that
that's what they did.
The quarters will go now.
Yeah, to keep that price point.
The price where it's supposed to
be, yeah.
Jars and cigars have had a
relationship for more than a
century and and alternates USA
continues attrition with the
Monte Cristo 1935 Anniversario
Nicaraguan Heirloom Ceramic Jar.
It's a long name, right it's a
glossy piece of decorative
pottery that holds 10 Monte
Cristo 1935 anniversary of
nicaraguan number twos a #2
cigar for 2021 from Cigar
aficionado also double S as a
humidor.
There's heirloom ceramic jars,
not only a functional personal
humidor, but a beautifully
crafted work of art designed to
be proudly displayed in any
setting, says Marina Tontes
TUNTES Tontes.
No idea.
Tontes.
Brand man Jack will correct me
or somebody will.
Brand manager at Altadis USA.
Each number 2 measures 6 and an
eighth inch long by 52 ring
gauge and consistently consists
solely of Nicaraguan tobacco
grown by cigar maker AJ
Fernandez.
Oh, it is only AJ.
Only AJ.
Who produces these torpedoes as
well?
According to Altadis, the jars
can hold up to 20 Churchill size
cigars.
The jars are scheduled to ship
to retailers in June in time for
Father's Day, and we'll have a
suggested retail price of.
The jar or the cigar?
The cigars come with jar or the
jar come with cigars in it.
How many are in the jar?
20. 20A. 180 dollars Two. 155
dollars. 255.
So they're so they're 25 bucks
each. 20 count jar Yeah come on
now.
Oh.
I'm sorry, yeah. 12 bucks.
Right.
I can't read names he can't add.
It reflects the heritage of
certification of the Monte
Cristo brand Tontes ads.
I really hope that's her name,
and we believe it will resonate
deeply with those who appreciate
both the artistry of fine cigars
and the elegance of well crafted
collectors.
Make it more feminine.
Sound more feminine?
Tontes, yeah.
Tontes.
No, the way like you're speaking
in her voice.
I can't.
Can't read today, Tontesa.
You're no fun today.
All right, Marlon Wayans is
launching the Liga Trident cigar
line.
Yes.
Boy.
Tridente, Tridente.
Tridente.
There's an E on the end.
Apostrophe.
Yes, comedian and actor Marlon
Wayans is not joking when
talking about his love of cigars
and the launch of his new Liga
Tridente cigar brand.
WINS has just completed his Wild
Child Tour comedy performance at
MGM National Harbor as he
arrives at Vino and the Harbor,
a wine bar and boutique in Oxon
Hill, MD.
Through all the celebrities hang
out in Oxon Hill.
Oh yeah, they hang out of vino.
To host a post concert sampling
the launch of the new cigars
Liga Tridente, which is made of
Hondur, made in Honduras.
It is still new to the market,
available in around 18 stores in
the United States.
We're not one of them.
No Wayans, who is one of the
owners, says he.
Oh, there's multiple owners.
Well, there's a family.
He is hoping to approximately
double its retail reach for the
next year.
Oh, we could have it. 3636
shops.
I should ask Boots.
The brand he.
Had 18, he had. 18 He wants a
doubling how many he got now?
79 Wow.
I almost spit my water.
The brand comes in three blends.
The Liga Tridente Habano is the
largest with three sizes to
describe as medium to full
bodied cigars.
The smokes are made with
Nicaraguan wrappers and binders
and a blend of fillers from
Nicaragua, Costa Rica and
Colombia.
Did you say there's a Honduras
cigars?
It's made in Honduras, but
apparently there's no Honduran
tobacco.
Yeah.
Made a Honduras of Nicaraguan
rappers, binders and Costa Rican
and Colombian.
Select.
It's just easier to make it in
Honduras.
Apparently the range in price
from 14 to $18.00.
There's a robusto, there's a
Toro, there's a Toro box press,
they come 20 to the box.
And then he also has the Yazuki
Maduro.
Yazuki, Yazuki.
Isn't that a cigar?
Is that a cigar?
A Zuki.
Yeah, Yazuki Maduro.
It been made by Damon Wayans.
It's made by Marlon Wayans.
Get your Wayne's brothers ready.
Well, it's the sun.
It's out, you just say the
Wayne's.
It's made by Wayne.
It's.
Made by the Wayne's.
This one, also made Honduras, is
made of Costa, has a Costa Rican
rapper Nicaraguan binder and a
mix of Costa Rican and oh
Honduran filler.
Oh, there it is.
There it is.
That's why it is they.
Don't want to be called a liar
there.
You go.
This one comes in two sizes, a 6
by 52 Toro and a Torpedo 6 1/2
by 52.
They are packed in boxes of 10.
The Toro sells 4. $18.00 boots.
I mean, I'm going to go 17. 3030
dollars $30 this one.
No one's buying.
Wow.
And the torpedo?
Oh the the torpedo.
Are we going?
To go higher.
Or 35.
There you go.
Take nicknanning torpedoes.
Those for 30.
Might as well round it up an
extra 5 bucks.
Why is this one $5 more?
It's pointy.
Pointy.
They're going to be right next
to the Mike Tyson cigars.
It's a it's 1/2 inch longer,
same size around.
It's very pointy.
It is.
It's only half inch longer.
And that wraps up the news for
this week.
So he's got a $30 cigar and an
$18.00 cigar.
And a 35.
Made in the same factory.
That's smaller.
Nice.
And they're the same size.
There's a 6 by 52.
I can't wait to try it.
We're not getting.
These I I had someone blocked me
on Facebook.
Yeah.
Welcome to the club.
Apparently when I ask
apparently.
There's a long list now of
people that.
Blocked but apparently when I
ask people questions and I've
and I uncovered the fact that
they are completely full of it
instead of them saying hey
you're right and I messed this
up or whatever they just
blocked.
Me Well, that way on their
comments you can't say anything.
It's.
So much like, oh, you know what?
Oh you know what?
I just removed this guy and the
problem.
Solved.
Yeah, right.
Like when you when you say that
you're going to show tax
purposes that you can avoid
tariffs, you.
Got to show my tariff.
And you drop ACO report instead
of 75 O1 showing the fact that
you didn't pay the tariffs.
You just blocked me.
You could get a cease and desist
instead if you want.
I could get a, you know, I could
we're.
Looking for those, we don't have
any.
Cease and desist.
I don't want a cease and desist.
Then I got to get an attorney.
Well, you just you just cease
and desist I.
Don't want a cease and.
Desist, did coop block you?
No, Coop.
No he can't.
That's the good part about this
little fight.
He can't block us.
We love Coop because then he
can't see what we're saying and
that's worse for him than.
It.
Would be way worse.
What's worse than they're saying
something not knowing what
they're saying?
They could be saying something
right now.
That's right.
Immediately.
Thank God he has Dave Burke
cigar jukebox to save.
We're starting a new show with
Dave Burke.
What's that?
We're starting a new show with
Dave.
Burke, are they?
We are.
Oh, we are, yes.
Music Box.
Music Box.
Music.
Cigar music.
Box.
Music Box.
Where we talk about.
Music where we talk about music.
And we run it.
We're doing.
A cooking show.
We run it on the same time.
Yeah, and a cooking show.
A cooking show, just like Coop.
We're going to talk about all
the food.
Talk about sandwiches.
Which is pizza.
This week, I think you talk
about pizza.
It was a baseball show too,
right?
Or is that just a regular?
Show sports.
That's the Regular Show.
That's the Cigar Show.
Cigar Show talked about sports.
You got a Shop of the Week
there, Michael.
No, I don't.
What do you mean you don't have
a treasure?
Coast Cigars down in Palm Bay, a
new member of the post on your
family.
Excellent.
I know with Trevor.
Thanks, Trevor.
Do you have a Listener of the
week?
I can give you a listen to the
week.
All right, listen to the week.
Mitch Smith, Bong.
You know, we made him not long
ago because we we found out we
never make him.
Mr. Broadleaf.
Really.
Well, let's we're gonna do it
again.
Well, because the guy, he hit
everything.
He smoked to Postana,
Connecticut this week.
Habano, the Broadleaf.
San Andreas.
Week of the.
#Coraline Attaboy.
Mitch, we appreciate you.
Anything else to add?
Nope, we got a big event this
Friday here at the shop.
Come and get a free cigar if you
get a ticket.
Make sure you come on out.
I saw that bump box, that was
pretty cool.
Thing's heavy.
Surprisingly heavy.
Yeah, but I mean, you're not
going to carry it like, you
know, it's got a handle like
back in the day.
Supposed to put it up on your
shoulder.
That's the all the way.
Hey, did you drop Cigar Hustler
off your Instagram name?
I did, yeah, but I have to
market for the other stuff.
For what?
Else, what are you marketing
for?
For DJ DJ.
Entertainment or something?
So what does it mean?
DJ Boots.
Entertainment DJ Boots.
It's DJ Boots and I had to make
the O Zeros.
Because someone brought it to my
attention.
They're like, oh, he dropped it,
it.
Was our attention.
Oh yeah, it's our attention.
Yeah, no, I'm trying this whole
new marketing thing.
DJ Boots.
I even bought cap cut.
I'm trying to learn how to use
that and.
Oh, look at you, look at you.
It's a lot of hard work.
Yeah, yeah.
It is.
I can tell you, I can tell you
right now that Palmer is trying
to do thumbnail titles.
Oh, we got to take pictures.
And you, you got to see how bad
they are.
They're atrocious.
Like for the you're talking
about for the podcast, like the
little.
Picture Yeah, they're so bad.
They're so bad.
So now he believes.
Now he believes that he has to
take photos, which he doesn't
have to, but we're going to let
him do it anyways.
It's better.
Oh, you want like photos like of
each show?
Yeah, you pull photo from the
video, but the way I do it, it
looks terrible.
Yeah, he does a terrible job of
it.
You're.
Gonna have to take a picture of
me, yeah.
All right, well, hey, this
concludes.
All right, it's been episode 385
of the Cigar Wrestler Podcast.
Thanks for listening.
We have to go.
Thank you everyone.
We didn't even say what we're
paid doing.
We don't know we're paid.
We don't know.
We're Patreon.
We don't know we're doing that,
but it's going to be good.
Whatever it is, it's.
Going to be great.
All right, bye.
Bye.
We got the dookie, Duke.
Show Notes
This week on A Cigar Hustlers Podcast, we’re firing up more than just cigars. The 2025 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame class is out—featuring legends like Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, and The White Stripes—and we’re breaking down what the lineup says about music today. In politics, Trump’s push to revive Columbus Day has the culture war reigniting. Over in sports, Bucks star Damian Lillard’s Achilles injury could sideline him for the season, and the NFL Draft saw unexpected drama after a prank call to Shedeur Sanders caused a stir.
And of course, cigar lovers: we’ve got new drops from Alec Bradley, Altadis USA’s collector-worthy Montecristo jar, and Marlon Wayans’ surprising debut into the cigar world with Liga Tridente. Whether you're cutting a cigar or just cutting through the noise, this episode has something for you.
So grab a stick or a drink—this one’s got layers.