ACHP Columbus, Cigars and Controversy

Episode Summary

Episode 385 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast is a wide-ranging roundtable with Michael, Palmer and the returning Boots, opening with shop news: a Drew Estate event upstairs at Cigar Hustler on Friday, May 2nd with K.D. Abraham handing out D.E. swag and food. From there the crew works through their usual news rundown — the 2025 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class (Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, Soundgarden, The White Stripes) and whether awards shows matter at all, President Trump's push to reinstate Columbus Day over Indigenous Peoples Day, Damian Lillard's likely season-ending Achilles injury in the Bucks–Pacers series, and the prank draft-night call made to Shedeur Sanders by the son of Falcons coach Jeff Ulbrich before Sanders slid to Cleveland late in round three.

The cigar-industry meat of the episode is twofold. First, Michael recaps his guest appearance on Developing Palates alongside Steve Saka, and the resulting dust-up with Cigar Coop (Charlie), who publicly accused the Hustler crew of making things up — based, they argue, on a Patreon-only comment about Guy Fieri coverage he never actually heard. They dig into media politics: Cigar Aficionado coverage of Espinosa events, PCA press-release gripes, being shushed at a trade show, and whether Coop is simply jaded after years in the business. Michael also shares a happier celebrity update: Anthony Mackie followed through and mailed a signed Captain America photo and letter for his son.

Then it's cigar news. Alec Bradley's new Do Not Disturb — a Dominican-made, Ecuadorian Connecticut-seed-wrapped medium-bodied line in Robusto, Toro and Gordo from Tabacalera La Isla — sparks a genuinely funny debate about whether a cigar built for smoking alone contradicts the whole herf, camaraderie ethos of the hobby (with a nod to Saka's Umbagog-era "leave me alone" humor and new Black Market sizes). Altadis USA's Montecristo 1935 Anniversary Nicaragua heirloom ceramic jar holds ten No. 2s rolled from all-Nicaraguan tobacco by A.J. Fernandez and doubles as a 20-count humidor, shipping in June for Father's Day. Finally, Marlon Wayans' Liga Tridente line, made in Honduras with Nicaraguan, Costa Rican and Colombian tobaccos, gets a price-shock reaction — $14–$18 for the Habano and $30–$35 for the Yazuki Maduro. The episode closes with Treasure Coast Cigars as shop of the week and Mitch Smith as listener of the week.

In This Episode

1. 01
   Drew Estate Event at Cigar Hustler
   The crew previews a big Friday, May 2nd Drew Estate event upstairs at the shop with K.D. Abraham, swag, food and free cigars with a ticket.
2. 02
   Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2025 Class
   Debate over the inductees — Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, Soundgarden and The White Stripes — and whether halls of fame and awards shows mean anything.
3. 03
   Columbus Day vs. Indigenous Peoples Day
   Trump's Truth Social vow to bring Columbus Day "back from the ashes" turns into a running bit about mattress sales and mafia holidays.
4. 04
   Damian Lillard's Achilles Injury
   The Bucks star's leg injury against the Pacers, Doc Rivers' reaction, and whether this is career-ending, plus NBA playoff predictions.
5. 05
   Shedeur Sanders Prank Draft Call
   Jax Ulbrich's fake GM phone call, Deion Sanders Jr.'s Well Off Media posting the video, and why Shedeur fell to Cleveland in round three.
6. 06
   Developing Palates Appearance and the Cigar Coop Feud
   Michael recaps taping Developing Palates with Steve Saka and the on-air accusation from Cigar Coop that the Hustlers make up news — over a Patreon comment he never heard.
7. 07
   Anthony Mackie Comes Through
   Follow-up to the earlier Captain America story: Mackie actually mailed a signed photo and letter, redeeming his reputation with the crew.
8. 08
   Cigar News: Do Not Disturb, Montecristo Jar, Liga Tridente
   Alec Bradley's solo-smoking Do Not Disturb, Altadis USA's Montecristo 1935 Anniversary ceramic humidor jar with A.J. Fernandez-rolled No. 2s, and Marlon Wayans' $14–$35 Liga Tridente line.

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Transcript

Welcome to episode 385 of the Cigar Hustler podcast. Hello, Michael. What's going on, buddy? How are you?

Good. This week on Friday, May 2nd, we're having a big Drew Estate event upstairs. Here at Cigar Hustler. Yes, here at Cigar Hustler.

Excellent. Upstairs. Upstairs. D.

Abraham will be here giving away all sorts of stuff. D. All sorts of stuff. E.

has the swag. E. swag. As Jonathan Drew said when he was in Macau.

The best swag ever. The best swag ever. We have the best swag. Yes, sir.

I wonder if there's food. There's always food. There's gonna be food. There's lots of food.

We have food. We have swag. The best swag. Alright.

Is that all you got for what's coming up? Yeah, that's this week. I'm on another podcast, but not for a couple of weeks. You just did one.

Yeah. I did Developing Palates, yeah. You did? Yeah, that was the one you were on last week.

We'll get into that later. We'll cover that. Alright, this week's training topics, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced its 2025 class of inductees, highlighting a blend of iconic tonic legends, and rising stars. In political news, President Trump is threatened to reinstate Columbus Day.

I didn't even know that wasn't a thing anymore. It's called something else. Rising the previous, reversing the, yes, recognition of Indigenous Peoples Day. Listen, I don't understand how you discover a country when people are already there.

It just doesn't make any sense to me. Well, you discover the country, not the people. I have discovered this, but we're here. Well, he discovered it for Spain.

Was it Spain? Ah, I believe it was Spain. And that qualifies. Well, Spain has never been here before.

So then they could claim it. Yes. Unless it was one of those, yeah, what if it was a Spanish Indian? Then he would be from Spain and they would have claimed it.

We have Boots with us again this week, folks. There's Booty. We've missed you, Boots. Welcome back.

I've missed you guys. People have been concerned. I was concerned myself. I just couldn't make it, man.

He's not dead. Contrary to rumors that may or may not have been started by our show. Oh Lord. Go ahead, Vince.

I know every time I was trying to make it here, man, it's just work. I apologize. Try to be better here. That's right.

What's rule number one? Try to be better. Don't be sorry, be better. All right.

Well, welcome back. We missed you. Thank you. Turning to sports, Milwaukee Bucks star Damien Lilliard.

Lilliard, is that how you say his last name? No. How do you say his last name? No, we'll try one more time.

Lillard, Lillard, I don't know. Maybe sidelined for the remainder of the season due to a serious Achilles injury. Yeah. Controversy hits the NFL as the son of Falcons' defensive coordinator made a fake draft night phone call to Shadu.

I looked this one up. That's how you say his name. This is going to be the best story of the whole time. Shadu or Sanders drawing heavy criticism.

Okay. Then in cigar news, Alec and Bradley released a new cigar crafted for solo enjoyment. Altidus USA is debuting a Monte Cristo cigar package in a collector's jar. And comedian Marlon Wayans enters the Cigar World with his first signature release.

Yes. One of your eyelids is heavier than the other one. My eye, is it this one? Yeah.

Yeah, that one's red and watering. I don't know what happened. As soon as I got here today, I started sneezing, my eyes watering, my nose is running. I feel like Coop is attacking you is what it is.

Is that what it is? It's the Coop curse. The Coop curse. Oh, damn it, he's gone after me.

I'm not the one who even said the bad stuff yet. He's in the pincushion right now. Yet. All right, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2025 inductees are here.

See who made the list. The boys club that comprises this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class also contains a female solo musician who has always been a striking presence. Miss Cindy Lauper. Miss, is she married?

I don't know. I don't know who that is. A lot of people are... Cindy Lauper?

Cindy Lauper? Yeah. You know who Cindy Lauper is from the 80s? No.

Singer? Singer? Uh-uh. She did the videos with the Big Luau something, the wrestler who had the band-aids, not the rubber bands on the safety pins in his face.

The Big Luau? No, Lou, Lou Alvano or something like that was his name. He was from WWE. Yeah?

Well, it would have been WWF back then. Big Lou? Big Lou. No idea.

But a lot of these people on this list, it's like, why aren't they already in? Because it took a while? You can only do so many inductees every year or whatever? Yeah, but some of these people, but they don't even sing anymore.

Well, I don't even know who this person is. What was it? Yeah, I don't know. Boots, can you look up a Sandy Lauper song, please?

" There you go. Ah, I know that song. That's one of your favorites. You sing that all the time when you walk around the shop.

Yeah. All right, Sandy's among the seven new inductees whittled from a list of 14 announced earlier this year who spotlighted a more conventional rock lineup, Accepting Atlanta hip-hop innovators outcasts and the engineered diverse classes of recent years, the newest entrance announced during the live broadcast of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame night episode of American Idol. Hmm. I'm not a big fan of American Idol.

It jumped the shark years ago, buddy. Yeah. So, here's the people that have made the list this year. Alright, spit it out already.

Bad Company. Okay. Chubby Checker. Okay.

He's dead, right? Yeah. He's been around a long time. Probably.

Yeah, he's like back in the fifties. He hasn't cleared yet, you know what I mean? He's been running this whole time. Joe Cocker, been around forever, I'm not sure if he's alive.

Oh, it's Cocker. I think it's Coker. It's Joe Cocker. Cindy Lauper, Outkast, I've heard of them, I'm not sure they are.

Soundgarden, I've heard of them, I'm not sure they are. Oh my God, yeah. And The White Stripes, no idea. White Stripes, okay.

What kind of music do they sing? Rock. Yeah, they're like Soundgarden. Yeah, Soundgarden's a little more grunge.

Well, yeah. Outkast is grunge too, right? Whitecorn. Outkast.

Outkast is rap. Heya. Oh, is rap? Yeah.

Why is he in the rock and roll? Shouldn't it all be rock and roll? It should just be called the Music Hall of Fame at this point. Yeah, I think they did like a breakthrough like, I think it was like 10 years ago when they inducted somebody from rap.

You want them to change it to like the They/Them Hall of Fame? Yes. Just make it neutral. Make it neutral.

I'm about to seize my eyes starting to water. That's over. The full induction ceremony airs live November 8th from the Peacock Theatre in Los Angeles on Disney Plus and arrives on Hulu the next day. A condensed version will air on ABC at a yet-to-be-announced date, so basically you can see it everywhere.

Everybody's gonna watch it on ABC because it's condensed. Right, you don't have to sit through all the speeches and everything. Right. Give me the short, short version.

Right. Those who didn't make the cut this year include The Black Crows, Billy Idol. Billy Idol. Wow.

Billy Idol. Yeah, why aren't they already in? And the Black Crowes. They've been around a long time.

Yeah. Manna and Fish? I don't even know who that is. Listen.

Here's what I'm going to tell you about any of this stuff. All the Academy Awards, it's all bullshit. Just get everybody together to try and get views and ratings, and who gives a shit? Right, I know.

I don't care if somebody's in the Hall of Fame. This is people voted, apparently. I don't know how they come up with the choices, but then the public votes. And then they say who gets in?

Yeah, but you don't know if that's accurate or not. Oh, Chubby Checker, I don't think he stands a chance. No, he's in. Oh, he's in.

I thought it was a nominee. Yeah, these are the inductees. No, the first group was the inductees. There are several that didn't make it.

Got it. So, I mean, he made it over the top of Billy Idol. Yeah. Though he's a little more recent.

This is just so dumb. I mean, who's voting for Chubby Checker? You don't even know. You couldn't even name one of his songs.

Most of the people that know Chubby Checker or listen to his songs back in the day are not alive either. Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? That's my point.

It doesn't even make sense. Mariah Carey didn't make it? I just want to see all this stuff go away eventually. I don't care.

New Joy Division slash New Order? Who is that? No idea. They've been up twice and they've lost both times.

Yeah, because nobody knows who they are. No. What about Joy Division? Oh, wait!

I think I remember reading you paid to get nominated. Oh, really? And then they vote. Oh, you gotta throw cash at it too?

Yeah. I can't. Well, you know the Hollywood Walk of Fame? Yeah.

You can get one if you have $20,000. Oh, really? Yeah, you just pay for those. 20 Gs?

That's all it is? Yeah, it's just 20 Gs. That's it? That's it.

I feel like we could put that together. Hmm. Cigar Housers Podcast. Right.

On the Hollywood Walk of Fame. We could start saving right now. We'll be in front of some porn store or something. Yeah, I agree.

It's not even a good part of town. It's not even a good part of town. It would be epic because we'd be the only one, though. The only podcast.

The only podcast. The first podcast ever. That had $20,000. Donald Trump vows to bring about major comeback for Columbus Day, which remained a federal holiday until Biden.

I feel at this point he's just, whatever Biden said, we're changing it back. I feel like this is just one of those theatrics things, you know what I mean? Is it coming up? Is it about to happen?

Is that why this is a trending thing now? Yeah, I think it's coming up. I think it's right after the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Oh, is it right?

Yeah, that's how I use it. He's bringing that back, too. Yeah, we're just calling it Rock and Roll now. Donald Trump has vowed to bring about a major comeback for Christopher Columbus Day, which he says has gone by the wayside because of woke.

This, despite the fact that the federal holiday was marked by Joe Biden administration alongside Indigenous Peoples Day since 2021. The POTUS signaled the intention on his Truth Social Platform, writing that he is bringing Columbus Day back from the ashes. He wrote that Democrats did everything possible to destroy the historical figure, his reputation, and all the Italians that love him so much. It says that?

Oh, wow. How did they ruin the man's reputation? Because he had slaves? Is this what's wrong with Columbus?

He killed Indians? I don't know, man. I'm confused with all that stuff anyway. You know, here's the one thing I think needs to happen when it comes to the Indigenous Peoples Day or Columbus Day holiday.

I think we should just get rid of it as a whole and just call it Monday. I don't understand. Oh, so no holiday one way or the other. Yeah, this is just so ridiculous.

How are we going to have the big mattress sales and stuff? We only get a couple of days a year. Right. Yeah, and you're really going to piss off the postal workers.

Yeah, they get the day off. Do they get the day off for Indigenous Peoples Day, too? Is it still a federal? It's a federal holiday.

I'm sure. Oh, yeah, the banks are closed. So just call it Manic Monday. It's a Manic Monday.

Just have a holiday. Oh, the Italians really like the Columbus Day. It's so ridiculous. Or we just call it like free day.

Free day. Free day. Everybody off day. Everybody off day.

There you go. Or mattress sale day. Right. Mattress sale day.

We should move. We should. I move for the mattresses. All those days we just listed sound like mafia days.

Mattress day. What do we call it? The free off day. The mafia really likes Columbus Day.

Yeah, it's all for it. It's, you know, it's encrypted. This is encrypted. It's Italian- We saw the Sopranos episode where they all loved- Mattresses?

Columbus Day. We call it Sleep with the Fish's Day. Sleep with the Fish's Day. Where we honor those that have disappeared.

Jimmy Hoffa Day. Not the Plenty of Fish's Day, the Sleep with the Fish's Day. The Sleep with the Fish's Day. I'm not getting confused.

Oh, that's the dating website. I'm like Plenty of Fish's Day. I was thinking the card game, Go Fish's Day. The Go Fish's Day.

The Go Fish's Day. See, people can get confused. That's right. Yeah.

Christopher is going to make a major comeback. I'm hereby reinstating Columbus Day under the same rules, dates, and locations as it has had for all the many decades before. Indigenous Peoples Day, first coined in 1977, followed by the Red Power Movement of the late, what is the Red Power Movement of the late 60s, was formally acknowledged by Biden, though not made a federal holiday, nor serving as a replacement for Columbus Day. In recent years, activists specifically from within the indigenous community has moved to dismantle the mythology surrounding Columbus as an intrepid and pioneering explorer, instead shining a light on his legacy of Native American colonization and violence.

Okay, so I'm currently battling China for tariffs. I'm marking tariffs across the board for all countries. The economy is good. It's good.

It's the best it's ever been. It's perfect. It's good. The consumer rate is up, I guess, to some degree, something like that.

I saw that, I think, today. I want a piece of Greenland, to some extent. We're having issues with the Panama Canal. I really want to take that over.

I'm going to stop here, and we're going to go back, and I'm going to take Christopher Columbus Day. We're having a time-out time. I'm going to take the W here, and we're taking Christopher Columbus Day. Just wait till those "Go Christopher" shirts finally get here from China.

You can't get them now. It's 185% markup. No, you just have Vietnam, it's only 10% Vietnam. Their fingers are bigger.

Is Vietnam only 10%? I don't know, I feel like, I don't think that they're as bad. Listen, I have no idea what's going on. Probably not.

I'm not even keeping track. I'm just sitting here smoking cigars and agitating people in the cigar industry. There's some people off left and right. I'm very good at that, for some reason.

I don't even mean to be. You're just, you're very, you're trending, Michael, you're just very trending. You know what's funny is I didn't even know what Coop would be mad about when he got upset. We'll talk about that in a minute, but.

We'll talk about that in a minute. Okay, Bucks, Damien, how do you say his last name? Lillard. What, Lillard?

Lillard. Back to Lillard? Lillard. Damien Lillard.

I'm gonna sneeze, I can't see how to wind up. You keep saying that, but we haven't seen it happen. Damien Lillard exits versus Pacers with long leg injury. Milwaukee Bucs star Damian will undergo an MRI on Monday to determine the severity of the left lower leg injury that forced him to exit Sunday's 129-103 Game 4 loss in the Indiana Pacers in the first quarter.

Yeah. A preliminary examination indicated a possible Achilles tendon injury, sources told ESPN and Cigars and podcasts. Yeah. Confirming multiple reports.

Poor Lillard. Yeah, poor Lillard. Just being honest, it's not very promising, Bucs coach Doc Rivers said. Oh, I like the name Doc.

Yeah. He tore his Achilles, man. That's not how you say his last name, though. Rivers?

Yeah. Rivar. Rivar. Rivar.

Yeah. Lillard was injured while trying to help secure a defensive rebound midway through the first quarter after tapping the ball away, boop, from a Pacers player. Damien fell to the ground and grabbed his left leg. Ow!

Remaining down for the next defensive possession. So, wait. If you get injured in basketball, they don't stop? His name is Lillard.

Okay. They stop next dead ball. So they keep playing while you're laying there on the court. Pretty much.

And they can't send the little guys to wipe the sweat off the floor to drag you out or anything. There's always guys with the towels. They come in to wipe the sweat off the floor. They can't slide them out.

To drag the millionaires by their legs. Not by the legs. They grab the top of his shirt. Get some hooks or something and just kind of drill them out.

Put the towels around his neck like the chiropractors do. Just drag them out. And Lillard's off the court. What if, well, there's not a dead ball for a couple of minutes, you just lay there?

Well, the rule for sportsmanship by the other team should be, they should either throw it out of bounds or call a timeout. It should be, usually they won't call a timeout, but they'll throw it out of bounds. And then if it's changed possession, usually the other team respects it and they'll throw the ball over to them down the court. Oh, look at that.

I didn't know that. I didn't either. So in all the other sports, you get hurt, everything ends, right? I just want to know, if my guy goes down, or if somebody else's, the other team's guy goes down, and I get the ball, I'm taking advantage of this shit.

It's playoff season, I'm getting the dub, I'm taking the extra two points. I'm a donkey, you call timeout. I mean, hockey, okay, they fight anyway, so that doesn't stop. Football, the plays, well now I can get hurt.

Well, it's a dead ball. Yeah, dead ball, but that seems to end faster than basketball. A down. Yeah, how long does a play, 10 seconds?

Right, exactly. Unless somebody's sprinting down the field, then it's not gonna matter anyways. Right, you're way far away. Yeah.

But I mean, you could be in the way if you're in basketball and you fall down and get hurt. Yeah. They just step on you or kick you as you walk by? Oh.

Yeah. Well, you don't, you don't want to kick Damien Lillard, that's for sure, or Lillard. Or Lillard, either one? Yeah, they're brothers.

Oh. What's really kind of funny is, they're, this guy was one of the greats in the game. Right. And he's had nothing but injuries.

Injury, injury, now. Is he getting old? Well, yeah. How do you feel?

Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of these guys that are getting injured are old. I mean, Luca's been playing in the league for how long?

" Well, yeah. He's been playing professional basketball for 20-some years. Like... He's also overweight.

Your body gets out. Yeah. He's also overweight. Well, he is.

Oh, he's definitely. He's fat and old. Yeah, now he's in LA, so he's eating good. Well, that's why he left Dallas.

He had good food in LA. Yeah. Because he was pudgy. Yeah, there's a lot of...

He was a chubby checker. Ba-dum-tss. It's called a recall. Thank you.

He was held to his feet during the next dead ball and needed assistance leaving the court while putting no weight on his left leg. He was escorted to the locker room and the team ruled him out for the rest of the game. And the season. I knew it right away, Rivers said.

I felt bad for him. The guy tried to come back for his team. I just felt bad for him. So basically he felt bad.

So Doc felt bad. Damien was in a walking boot and on crutches when he left the arena. When you see a guy like that not able to walk on his own, you know this might be serious. This might be serious.

You think he's done? Yeah. Season over? Yeah, I mean, he's a tough guy, but I think, I think this is the end for him.

Like career done? Career ending injury? Yeah. Yeah.

It's over, Johnny. Oh. Pack your bags. I mean, the whole reason why he went to Milwaukee anyways, he's looking for the ring, 'cause he couldn't do it in Portland.

Doesn't look like that's happening anyways. Who do you think's gonna win this, this year? I don't know, man. The Nuggets, they pull everything out, so.

Yeah. They're looking pretty good. I mean, Boston looks pretty good, but you know, I'm biased about that right now. Yeah, I think it's going to be Boston again, dude.

Boston defensively is amazing. They, first of all, the Magic should have won that game. They threw it away. Yeah.

But I think realistically, you're going to see a repeat. I think it's going to be Boston. Yeah. I don't know, man.

Denver, you know, Jokic, man, that guy's unstoppable. As long as his supporting cast is good. He's just one guy. Well, I mean, we could talk about the Jordan era.

He was not just one guy. He really did a lot of it himself. Kippen, Rodman. Jordan made all the big shots.

Yeah, he had the best defensive player in the league on his team. I mean, I guess. He's still the greatest of all time. I'm not discounting that.

I'm just saying that he still had a team around him. I guess. I mean, Golden State proved that you don't need defense to win games. Yeah, well, I mean, Steph Curry's a beast, he makes it look easy.

They're not doing too bad either. No, they're hanging in there, they're, you know, alright. He was injured, was it last year? Right leg, deep vein thrombosis?

Who, Lillard? Yeah. Well, he has a disease, he has a disease thing. He has a disease?

Yeah. What's the thing you're talking about? Oh, that's not, they said he came back. Yeah, they say you can recover from it, but you always have it.

It's just when it like flares up, or acts out, or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, herpes. He has herpes? No, he does not.

No, yeah, don't start that one. He had a flare up. He had a flare, got all itchy, had to leave. Allegedly.

Allegedly. All right, son of Falcons defensive coordinator, Jeff Ulbrich, apologized for a prank call made to Brown's draft pick, Shadur Sanders. This is a great story. That's a great story.

Son of Atlanta Falcons. This is a fantastic story. What? This is a fantastic story.

Yes. Son of Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Jeff Olbrich has apologized for a prank call made to Shador Sanders on Friday as he waited to be picked in the NFL draft. Originally one of NFL's most touted draft prospects, Sander received a call allegedly from general manager of the New Orleans Saints as he waited anxiously to learn which NFL team would select him, but the call turned out to be a prank. Jacks Obrick, the Falcons coach's son, took on Instagram a Sunday to issue a public apology.

Yeah. On Friday night, I made a tremendous mistake. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing, and shameful, he wrote. It's funny as hell.

I am so sorry I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life and made a terrible mistake and messed with that moment. Thank you for accepting my call earlier today.

I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. Sanders, who played for the University of Colorado, is the son of Colorado coach and Pro Football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders who could not be reached for comment. He also has not yet reached to the development, not reacted, sorry. He had not yet reacted to the development on social media.

The hoax was captured on video and was posted online Saturday by Well Off Media, a production company owned by Shadour's brother, Deion Sanders Jr. In the video, the caller posed as Saints General, oh, they have the entire video, it's been posted. Yeah, I've seen it. But you're saying that's the brothers company.

Right. What a stunt. It's amazing. Dude, it's, listen.

Is it childish and selfish? A hundred percent. How old is this guy? He's a kid.

He's a kid, yeah. He's a kid, he's being a kid, he's doing kid stuff. My question is, where did he get the phone over? He got it from his dad, obviously.

Hey dad, does uh, does Dion still have his phone number on the bathroom wall in the Atlanta's bathroom? " Yeah, how does that happen? Nobody has his number. It was a longer story and there was an explanation on how he got the number.

I didn't read that. He probably took it from his dad. Yeah, he probably got it from some files. Yeah, I mean, it's not hard to connect the dots here.

Well, your father is what, the defensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons? Well, he's fired now. No, he's not fired. That's hilarious.

This is a hilarious situation, because you don't think there's any consequences for the father? No. Why is it a hilarious situation? I just think it's hilarious how this kid.

I mean, okay, look, yes, it's a big moment. I get it. But he was gonna make a team. Even if he didn't get drafted, he's gonna make a team.

His brother got signed. He's better than his brother. He's probably got time of the books. Right.

So, for this guy to call him, and then, it's now being posted during the draft, by his brother. Right. By Sanders' brother. It just makes it even better.

Well, his brother probably had things set up to videotape him as he's getting the call. No, yeah, it's funny. Yeah, the real call. Yeah, so he has the content.

Right, he has the content. And go, bro, we should just put this out. And that's what he did. You're going to be famous, sir.

Because it's hilarious. Yeah, it's exactly what they did. Dang. Yeah, you lean into that sort of thing.

100%. 100%. Yeah, I mean, it was not that big a deal. I mean, no harm, no foul.

I mean, I'm sure he was disappointed, you know, and ha, ha, ha, funny, funny. Okay, so it was kind of a struggling day for Shadur. Oh, I'm sure it is. It's a very stressful day for all those.

No, well, listen, he was supposed to be like a top 10 draft pick. It was a stressful week for him. And he wound up going, what did he go, round three or round four? Late three, yeah.

Late in round three to Cleveland. And then there's all this speculation as to why that happened and all this stuff. And everybody's trying to figure it all out. And, you know, I don't know how we got there.

And I'm curious to hear your point of view, Boots. But I will say this. Cleveland spent way too much money on Deshaun Watson. That's quite apparent at this point.

And now they just got a quarterback for blue light special Kmart discount. And he's going to be an absolute stud. And to be honest, now that he went that low, I feel like he's got even more to prove. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree.

I think he is a good player. I mean, regardless of what he has done, I mean, he's already got the pedigree in him. Yeah. Right.

So, I mean, at least he has that going for him. He's probably got the speed. He's got the strength. You know, he's the agility, all the good stuff.

But at the end of the day, he went to Cleveland. Yeah. I don't know if he's going to excel there. Well, I feel like you go to Cleveland and die.

Well, you got to go to a place where somebody needs a quarterback. Well, they always need a quarterback in Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah, they always need a quarterback.

How do you feel about that, Palmer? I have no idea what you're talking about. His eyes, his eyes very itchy and red. Yes, my eyes very itchy and red.

I do have a question though. Adrienne asked me this question because she was somewhere and saw part of the draft on TV. How do these kids have the hats of the team that called? Do they know in advance that they're getting a phone call?

No, they have all the hats. Yeah. That's what I told her, girl. I imagine they have all the hats.

Yeah. They have 32 hats. Oh, so there's not like, they know, like, the chances are I'm getting picked by one of these five teams. That could be possible too.

Okay. You know, if they did a combine and they had, you know, scouts. I imagine, yeah, I said scouts have visited. There's been interviews of some sort, so I mean, they might have a feeling they could whittle it down to three or five or something.

Yeah, that's very possible. Okay. But you still never know. Gotcha.

You probably wouldn't need the 32 hats on standby. Just in case. Well, like the Cleveland Browns just picked up this kid and then he thought he was going sooner. Well, I think that, uh, I think, do you think that Dion screwed this up for Shadour?

I think there's just too much publicity beforehand and too much. I'm not going to say too much confidence, but kind of too much confidence, right, there's probably another word for it, but it's good to be, you know, confident with yourself and your skill set and everything, but then it's kind of like bragging too much at a certain point, you know? Yeah, and I think that's where they went. Well, Dion went and did interviews and he said he's not going to Cleveland, he's not going to New York, he said a bunch of these teams that, you know, we're going to win a championship.

Well, here's the problem, right? Well, every father's going to say that. Deion. That's a mistake.

Deion can be flashy and overconfident because that's Deion. But he made him, he made that character from the NFL. His son is who? Shador.

To be proven at this point. Right, exactly. So he can't be super flashy. I mean, look at Jimmy Horn Jr.

Dad was a great wide receiver, right? He got drafted. Nobody even really knew he got drafted. Right.

I mean, look at the two differences here. Yeah. , his dad is a Super Bowl ring holder. You know, I mean, he's a great player, Shadour Sanders.

I mean, his dads are great. But, again, you shouldn't be too overconfident when you're first getting in the NFL because, to be honest, you haven't played in the NFL yet. This is a completely different caliber. Sure.

I think he's going to do great. Yeah, maybe. I'm looking forward to it. You know.

Me too. Oh, to answer your question or to tell you something, Palmer, You guys should watch Draft Day, and you'll learn all about how people get drafted. I've seen that movie. Have you?

Yeah. That paints a good portrait. But I don't remember the hat thing, though, in the movie. There was no hat thing.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think they did. Hat gate. Hat gate?

Yeah. Does the NFL send him, like, a box of hats, or do they have to go buy one? I don't think so. Because you would think, like, they want him to wear a certain hat.

I would have, maybe, maybe NFL covers it. There's probably a company like Fanatics or somebody that probably said. Oh, so they wear their hat. Yeah.

Here's the hats. Here's all the hats from all the teams. You don't have to pay for them. Right, but just wear this hat.

Everybody wants to wear the hat that Shador had on when he was announcing. Cleveland. Yeah. Then the commercial comes on after the drafting.

Right, for the draft game. You think I should get a Sanders jersey for Jax? Do you like Deion Sanders? Do you like Shador?

Do you like Shador? I've got to be honest. I've never watched the draft all the way until the end of the third round. Until this year, I'm like, oh my god, where is this guy going?

I think, I think the jersey to get is the Cam Ward. I think that was a perfect pick. The Cam Ward? Yeah.

I think he's gonna be great, man. You know, he didn't show up super flashy or anything. Just like Columbus Day. I liked the cornerback pick for Buffalo.

Oh, me too. That was Matthew, what was his name? Shalabadaba. Shalabadaba?

I forget, but are you talking about the kid from Gators? I don't think so. He was in a blue suit. Oh, nice.

" Because he would stop and he would congratulate every single person that got drafted. Oh, yeah, yeah. So now we're trying to figure out who he is, because now we want to make sure that he gets drafted. He gets drafted high.

Right. And then when he got drafted to Buffalo, man, he didn't disappoint when he was speaking. " Pretty epic. You good?

Yeah. Okay. Can't see. All right.

All right, let's get into your shenanigans, Michael. Ooh. Cigar talk? So you did Developing Palates this past week.

I did. And? And if you saw our last episode, I said that Coop would come for me, and sure enough, he did. He did.

He 100% came for me. A little wound up. It didn't end well for him, in my opinion. No, I have not been here.

No, I have not been here. Go ahead, Boots. So why did he come after you? Because I guess we had said something in regards to him not covering Guy Fieri's.

Oh yes, I remember that. How he was tired of Guy Fieri, basically. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Yeah. Right. I wish I could find out where I saw him. I don't want to interview him.

He said he's got the timestamp of where he said whatever he said. Did you know what show it was? I mean... Yeah, I don't know.

It was in pre-show or after-show or something when he runs that little thing in the beginning. It wasn't like, I don't think, part of the show. Right. And so how did he come after you?

Like, what did he, this was on? He said we made it up. Fake news, we made it up. Yeah, he said it wasn't true.

It wasn't true. That we make up stuff all the time. We make stuff all the time. And that, um, we absolutely don't.

Well, then Saka said, you don't know who he is? He's made a career out of making stuff up. Something to that effect. It was quite funny.

You know, I will say this, Sokka did a great job keeping me incorporated in the conversation. He didn't take over as much, he didn't Sokka as much as he normally Sokka's. Right, yeah. " Oh, you're asking me questions.

So I got to speak, which was awesome. And where were you located? I couldn't find you. Yeah.

Or no, I couldn't find you, I didn't leave my booth. Yeah. Well, we were like the opposite end from him. " Well, I'm not sure if he has everybody.

You don't think so? I don't know. I think that it's pretty funny, though, that Coop didn't even hear us say the thing that he heard us say, that he went after on full attack, because what we said was on our Patreon. Right.

Well, he said on Facebook, I saw later, either someone told him or he heard it or something? Yeah, he heard it. He didn't actually hear the Patreon. Oh.

Through the grapevine. Yeah, so he got all amped up over what he heard from somebody else. Right. And didn't even listen.

Listen, Coop, here's what you gotta do. I'll send you the link, you can become a Patreon member, and then you can hear all the smack we talk. $10, just $10 a month. And then you can quote us.

It's four to five shows every month. You can quote us exactly on the smack that we talk on the Patreon. That's right. No, no, he can't tell people.

Until then, you're pirating our Patreon content. Yes, so... S. federal law.

That's right. We do not want to have to bring in the authority. And we don't appreciate that. That's not nice.

No, it's the only way we make money. We don't take advertisers and then rate their cigars high. Yeah, we don't do that. We don't do that here.

We don't do that. I don't know who does, but I've, you know, some shows, I'm sure. Oh, boy. And they make their number one, you know...

Right. The one that's behind them on the wall. Right. With a Sharpie.

Could happen, I guess. Oh, man. It could happen anywhere. It could happen anywhere.

You know, it was also kind of funny about that whole scenario. Now, I just lost my train of thought because this is the hope for Tomo Stick. We're taking on new shows if any of you guys are interested. So, you know, he's growing our network.

What was I got to say? Oh, man. Very successful. Yeah, so he's talking, he's saying these things about us, but he didn't even hear them.

Nah, well, I mean, everybody says we make up stuff. So how do we make stuff up? We read other people's news. So how is he any different than us?

If he's just going off of what he heard from somebody else? Exactly, it's what we do. Yeah, we go over. So what's the difference, buddy?

We hear a rumor somewhere and we talk about it. Oh, he's rumor free, but apparently not. Apparently not. Apparently he's not rumor free.

Now I remember what I was going to say. Yes. Okay, go ahead, because then we got to run down all these things that he has, okay, go ahead. You know, what's really kind of sad is if he considers the Espinosa guys his dear friends and family, he shouldn't be so antagonistic, the fact that Cigar Aficionado was covering this.

Why, why does he hate Cigar Aficionado? You know, I don't really care if he does or if he doesn't, but it's like, hey. Well, I don't care if he does, but I am curious. Like, here's hypothetical.

Let's say that you were, you know, covering, you had a cigar release. Okay. Right? And I'm just a media guy.

And I've been, you know, I've been a fan of yours, a good friend of yours the whole time. Yes. And you're going to go do this release party, and it's going to be covered by Cigar Fish, Not a Magazine. Right.

But I don't like them. I'm still going to show up to that thing. Right. Sure, because you're my friend.

Right. I'm going in. I'm going to show up and attend because you're my boy. Right.

Even if I hated them. I'm like, fuck those guys. I don't care. I'm still showing up for you.

You do shit coverage. Right. I'll do a better job. Right.

Exactly. They're not going to cover you. Well, maybe he doesn't care because he has no love for the industry anymore. He did say that.

He's not passionate. He's not passionate about the industry. But case in point. Paycheck's not big enough.

Cigar Aficionado didn't release anything. They didn't give any... There was no... Very little PCA coverage.

Yeah. And there was very little Guy Fieri coverage. That's where I'm getting my news now. Because they're not doing PCA news.

Because they're not doing other news. Everybody else is doing PCA news. KCA News. Right.

By everybody else, I mean Halfway where we get all our stories. So Charlie, if you could, you know, speed this up a little bit. I know you have a lot of coverage to go through. You could get on, get on with it already.

You could get on with the regular news cause, you know. Just give us your server address so that way we can just get the stories quicker. So how do you feel about Coop coming, flat out attacking us violently? Allegedly.

I don't know, violently. Yelling. So allegedly, the way that I feel about it is all. Well, the way that you feel about it's not allegedly.

You're allowed to have feelings. Can I? Yeah. I don't know, man.

I just, how I've always kind of felt about that individual is that he's definitely, his heart's definitely not in cigars. I feel like he's always into something else, whether it's, I've watched his show a couple of times. Most of the time it's about baseball or it's about something completely different than cigars. Have you watched the intro because he does do sports at the beginning?

I think I've watched like the most three minutes, maybe? There's three and a half to four hours of stuff you can watch. No, I have never watched the whole show. I can promise you that.

I watch enough to get the little funny stuff in between me and you on the chats and stuff. And then I get out. Here I am. Funny, funny, funny.

I'm out. Yeah. I think he's still passionate about the cigar industry. He said, but I'm using his words.

Okay, yeah. And the other thing is, is why didn't he come to you to ask you about the situation? And so just kind of going after it. I think it's funny that I didn't even think it was a big deal.

Right. I mean, obviously, it's not a big deal, but I'm just saying... We went back and tried to find it because we didn't remember what we said. Why did I say that?

What did we say? It was way more entertaining for us that he got upset. He gave us good content because of it. I love that.

But I honestly still think he's still passionate in the industry. I just think that he's a little more jaded now. I think that this industry will jade you, man. Oh, sure it does.

Without question. Right. And, you know... I mean, he gets mad if he doesn't get a press release.

Yeah. He gets mad if somebody else gets it first. He gets mad if Cigar Aficionado does anything. So, yeah, I mean, he's taking lumps and, like you said, he's jaded now.

He just needs a hug. He just needs a big, big old hug. He doesn't cross me as a hugger. Yeah, I think that's where, you know, it's like...

Isn't that it? We should just hug? Because Skip tried to hug... No, Skip waved.

No, Skip tried to hug him. Yeah, and he got mad. And he got mad. Oh, he doesn't like to touch.

Well, he doesn't like to be interrupted. He said it was during an interview or something, allegedly. And he did shush me. He shushed you?

Oh, he came up behind him and they were doing, he was a cameraman. Yeah. So I walked by and then I, when I walked up, he shushed me. Oh.

You didn't make a big deal. Oh, man. I didn't even get a chance to talk yet. I didn't even get to say anything yet.

Did you even say anything? Did you say a single word? No, I walked away. I'm like, I gotta shush me and I gotta stand here.

Don't you dare ever shush the number one show. On show. Dare shush me again. " Exactly.

You got to make a big deal about it. You don't want to interrupt somebody else's content. Nice. They were interviewing someone.

Not Guy Fieri. Yeah, apparently not Guy Fieri. " Right. Don't shush me.

Shush! We are also friends with the Espinosa people. And we will give them coverage. Unfortunately, we weren't there as Cigar Media.

Yeah, we did not go. We can't go to the PCA's media anymore. We're too busy. Yeah.

Okay. So, I have an Anthony Mackie update. Oh. Anthony Mackie.

Yeah. Anthony Mackiegate. You know, Captain America, the guy who wouldn't take pictures of people and stuff like that? Yes, yes, yes.

So, I asked him to take a picture of this necklace that I had. Right. Right. And he didn't take it.

Oh. Oh, that's right. Yeah. He's not nice.

he's allegedly I'm just going with first of all I'm going to tell you right now I think he's actually pretty nice because what he said to me was hey if you want give me uh give me your address and I will send you an autographed photo oh for this kid he thought it was my son but he's not you know said okay here's the ad here's the address thanks man so I didn't think he was going Is he going to send anything? Sure as shit. The guy sent an autographed signature photo of Captain America. It's like a movie poster thing or something.

Yeah. Sent it to my house with Levi's name on it and everything, and it's signed with a nice letter. Oh, and a letter? Yeah.

How big is the picture? It's about, it's an eight and a half by eleven. Oh. It's amazing.

So was it in like a big envelope? Yeah. Oh, nice. It was sent priority mail.

Oh. Yeah. Guy's not messing around. Right.

Yeah, so Clarence is my friend. You know who Clarence is? Who's Clarence? That's who he played in 8 Mile.

Oh. Yeah. I thought his name was Anthony. So his name is Anthony.

His character name. He's Captain America. He is Captain America. Shh.

And we appreciate you, Anthony. Don't tell me. Thank you for sending the autograph. Thank you.

What a guy. Did what he said. What? Did what he said he was going to do.

Yeah, he's a man of his word. He did what he said he was going to do. Worthy of being someone's hero. He is hero worthy.

We're no longer allowed at smoking. Why? I think we're still allowed at smoking. I don't think so.

Just add it to the list. All right, cigar news. The latest line from Alec Bradley, a brand called Do Not Disturb. In addition to that, Alec Bradley's black market will be getting two new sizes, We have two new sizes, but we're not really, that's not important right now.

Do not disturb is for anyone looking to take a break and enjoy a moment of peace, says Bradley Rubin, brand ambassador for Alec Bradley. It's an open invitation to find your space whenever that's a lounge that when, wherever, wherever, weather, a weather that's a lounge, the porch, the garage, you just unwind with a cigar that feels familiar and easy to enjoy. We're excited to offer something that pairs perfectly with those well-earned moments. Hmm.

So they've taken a cigar. Yes. In an industry that's built around camaraderie, people smoking together, it blurs all social lines between blue and white collar people, politicians, garbage men, people come together in groups and they smoke, there's actually a name for it called Herfs, and they've made a cigar where fuck all that you sit by yourself. Leave me alone.

Leave me alone. The leave me alone. That's the next cigar coming out from Alec, of Alec and Bradley. They can't because Saka came out with the Now Leave Me The Hell Alone.

Well, they just take the word hell out, 20% change, all you gotta do. 20% change, and that works? Right, so Bradley made the Do Not Disturb, and Alec is coming out with the Leave Me Alone. Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate on this one.

Do you smoke a lot in a cigar lounge? No, for work. For work? Right.

Okay, so where do you normally smoke? In my car. In your car? Or here.

Okay. Where there's no one else around? I smoked at the beach this weekend. There was a lot of people there.

Okay. Do you smoke on a patio at your house? No. Normally at home, if I'm smoking, it's doing yard work, because it makes it less worky.

So you're by yourself? My wife is doing yard work also. You're by yourself. So you're by yourself.

Yeah, but I mean, that's just the situation. I don't need a special cigar, because I don't want to be around people. It's just I have something to do, and it's outside, so the opportunity to have a cigar is there. I smoke by myself.

Yeah, I smoke it by myself all the time. Back patio. You still smoke in your patio by yourself, your wife's there. Yeah, but she's not smoking a cigar with them.

Right. Yes, but that's not what cigars were made for, they're made to bring people to you. They were made to be lit. Who are you to define when I should and shouldn't smoke my cigar?

The... Cigar police? The co-host of Cigars or Podcast. You're the cigar police.

I'm the cigar police, you should be smoking with peoples. Oh, I should be smoking with peoples all the time. All the time. now i have my second t-shirt you should cigar police cigar police did you finish the t-shirt not yet no i tried doing the logo like you said the thing but it doesn't understand it is grok grok did it last time oh to put the p in yeah i'll fix it i fix don't worry because it made the one i did it went the a the b was fine yeah and then it turned the d into the tried to make It looked like the P, and then the P makes it the D and the P.

Dude, the AI stuff is so dumb. It's not intelligent. It should be, it's artificial retardedness or something. I don't know.

Yeah, it's not, it's not quite. No, so like, so we went to Volcano Bay. Yes. And they were doing this thing called Volcano Bay Nights.

I'm like, ooh, I wonder if we can get into that, because we showed up kind of late. So I typed it in Google, and Google's AI said, yeah, you can get into Volcano Bay Nights free of charge, because you're a premier pass holder. I was like, oh, perfect. Then I go there, and they're like, no, you can't get in.

I'm like, what do you mean? It says right here. Google AI says that I can. Google AI says I'm in.

Like, no, you have to get additional tickets in order to get into Volcano Bay Nights. Oh. So then I had to go in and look on the interwebs, and it said, sure enough, that I had to buy the ticket. Oh.

So, yeah. That's weird. Artificial intelligence is not so intelligent. No.

Uh-uh. No. No. There was a report that came out this morning.

Wall Street Journal did an investigation, and I guess there are meta AI voices that talk to you in like Disney character voices or actors from Disney movie voices, and they were having sex with children. No. Yeah, something to that effect. Allegedly.

Well, allegedly. Well, somebody posted it on Facebook, so I thought, well, this is stupid, just another thing. So I Googled it. I can't find the Wall Street Journal story, But there is an ABC News story, CNN News, that references the Wall Street investigation, Wall Street Journal investigation.

So, it's kind of legit. The first two websites were ones I have never heard before. I'm like, okay, it's not real. But then I found legit news places.

I don't know, man. I don't know about all that. That sounds a little over the top. Yeah, I don't know.

But it is out in the news today. I.? No, there was some, I forget who the actor was, but there was the transcript they put in where whoever the actor was, his character was talking to a kid and a cop came up and accused the character of statutory rape of the child because, and then it was some detailed sexual thing that the character had done with the kid or something. Okay, I don't know about all that.

I'll have to look into that, but that seems a bit... You would think Wall Street Journal would be coming out with the story because everybody else is referencing their investigation. I don't believe any of it, to be honest, until I look further into it. Right.

That should be all over the TV if it was being investigated. All over the TV. All over the TV thing. The T to the V.

That's pretty interesting. All right, the Leave Me the Hello Lone cigars produced in the Dominican. Can I make somebody sound like Coop, and can they sexually harass me? Oh, I guess.

That'd be great. Have a police officer approach me with Cigar Coop's voice. Produced in the Dominican Republic at the Tabacalera La Isla factory, Do Not Disturb consists of a Connecticut Seed wrapper grown in Ecuador, a Dominican Creole hole binder, and a mix of Dominican and Mexican fillers. According to the company, the cigars are intended to be medium in body.

Body, Do Not Disturb, comes in three sizes. A Robusto, when you only want to be alone for a little bit. A Toro, when you want to be alone for a good hour. And the Gordo, oh, I'm going to sneeze again.

Gordo, when you want to be alone all day long. All sizes ship in dark blue boxes of 16. I want to be alone all day. I want to be alone all day.

I need the Gordo. Yes, ship in boxes of 16. It's a weird number. I'm going to wipe the water out of that.

Yeah, well, as the prices of the cigars continue to get higher, Yeah, I would assume that that's what they did. The quantities will go down. Yeah, to keep that price points. And drop the quantities, keep the price where it's supposed to be.

Yeah. Hmm. Jars and cigars have had a relationship for more than a century, and Altanus, USA, continues their tradition with the Monte Cristo 1935 Anniversario Nicaraguan Heirloom Ceramic Jar. Huh, that's a long name.

Right. It's a glossy piece of decorative pottery that holds 10 Monte Cristo 1935 Anniversary Nicaraguan The number twos, our number two cigar for 2021 from Cigar Aficionado, also doubles as a humidor. This heirloom ceramic jar is not only a functional personal humidor, but a beautifully crafted work of art designed to be proudly displayed in any setting, says Marina Tuntes, T-U-N-T-E-S, Tuntes? No idea.

Tuntes. Brand manager, Jack will correct me, or somebody will. Brand manager at Altadise USA. J.

Fernandez. Oh. J. J.

Who produces these torpedoes as well. According to Altadis, the jars can hold up to 20 Churchill-sized cigars. The jars are scheduled to ship to retailers in June in time for Father's Day. We'll have a suggested retail price of?

The jar or the cigar? The cigars come with jar, or the jar come with cigars in it. How many are in the jar? 20.

$180. $255. $255? So they're 25 bucks each?

20 count jar? Yeah. Come on now. Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah. 12 bucks? Right. I can't read names, he can't add.

It reflects the heritage sophistication of the Monocrystal brand. Tuntes adds. I really hope that's her name. We believe it will resonate deeply with those who appreciate both the artistry of fine cigars and the elegance of well-crafted collectors.

Make it more feminine. Some more feminine. Tuntes. Yeah.

Tuntes. No, the way you're speaking in her voice. Oh. I can't read today.

Tuntesa. You're no fun today. All right. Marlon Wayans is launching the Liga Trident Cigar Line.

Yes. Oh, boy. Oh, Tridente. Tridente.

Tridente? There's an E on the end. Oh, apostrophe. Yes.

Comedian and actor Marlon Wayans is not joking when talking about his love of cigars and the launch of his new Liga Tridente cigar brand. Wayans has just completed his wild child tour comedy performance at MGM National Harbor as he arrives at Vino and the Harbor, a wine bar and boutique in Oxon Hill, Maryland. Hmm. It's where all the celebrities hang out in Oxon Hill.

Oh yeah, they hang out in Vino. To host a post-concert sampling and launch of the new cigars, Liga Tradente, which is made in Honduras. It is still new to the market, available in around 18 stores in the United States. We're not one of them.

No. Wayans, who is one of the owners, says he... Oh, there's multiple owners. Well, there's a family.

He is hoping to approximately double its retail reach for the next year. Oh, we could have it. 36. 36 shops.

I should ask Boots. The brand. If he had 18. He had 18.

He was a doublet. How many has he got now? 79. Wow.

I almost spit my water. The brand comes in three blends. The Liga Tradente Habano is the largest, with three sizes to describe as medium to full bodied cigars. The smokes are made with Nicaraguan wrappers and binders and a blend of fillers from Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Colombia.

Ooh. Did you say these are Honduras cigars? It's made in Honduras, but apparently there's no Honduran tobacco in there. Yeah.

Made in Honduras of Nicaraguan wrappers, binders, and Costa Rican and Colombian tobacco. It's just easier to make it in Honduras. Apparently. They range in price from $14 to $18.

There's a Robusto. There's a Toro. There's a Toro box press. Hmm.

They come $20 to the box. And then he also has the Yazuki Maduro. Yazuki. Yazuki.

Isn't that a cigar? Is that a cigar? Is that a cigar? Ozuki?

Yeah, Yazuki Maduro. Made by Damon Wayans. In Honduras. No, it's made by Marlon Wayans.

Get your Wayans brothers right. Well, it's the sun. You just say the Wayans. It's made by Wayne.

Made by the Wayans. This one, also made in Honduras, is made of Costa Rica, has a Costa Rican wrapper, Nicaraguan binder, and a mix of Costa Rican and, oh, Honduran filler! Oh, there it is. There it is.

That's why he's doing it. They don't want to be called a liar. There you go. 5x52.

They are packed in boxes of 10, the Toro sells for? $18. Boots? Guess.

Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go 17. $30. $30. $30, this one.

No one's buying this. Wow. And the Torpedo? Oh, the Torpedo?

That's the Toro. Are we going to go higher? $35. There you go.

The Manning Torpedo sells for $35. Might as well round it up an extra $5. I got you five bucks. Why is this one $5 more?

It's pointy. They're going to be right next to the Mike Tyson cigars. It's a half inch longer, same size around. It's very pointy.

It is just only half inch longer. And that wraps up the news for this week. So he's got a $30 cigar and an $18 cigar. And a 35.

Made in the same factory. That's smaller. Nice. And they're the same size.

There's a 6x52. I can't wait to try it. We're not getting these. I, I, I, I, someone blocked me on Facebook.

Oh. Yeah. Oh, who? Welcome to the club.

Apparently, when I ask, apparently. There's a long list now of people that block you. Apparently, when I ask people questions, and I've, and I uncovered the fact that they are completely full of it, instead of them saying, hey, you're right, and I messed this up, or whatever, they just block me. Well, that way, on their comments, you can't say anything ever again.

Yeah, it's so much, like, oh, you know what? Oh, you know what, Sweetie, I just removed this guy, and the problem's solved. Yeah. Right.

When you say that you're going to show tax purposes, that you can avoid tariffs, and you drop a CO report instead of 7501 showing the fact that you didn't play the tariffs, you just block me. You could get a cease and desist instead, if you want. I could get a cease and desist. We're looking for those.

We don't have any. I don't want a cease and desist. I don't want a cease and desist. Then I've got to get an attorney.

Well, you just cease and desist. I don't want a cease and desist. Did Coop block you? No, Coop can't.

No, he can't. That's the good part about this little fight, he can't block us. We love Coop. Because then he can't see what we're saying, and that's worse for him than...

Exactly. It would be way worse. Yeah. It's worse.

What's worse than they're saying something? Not knowing what they're saying. He could be saying something right now. That's right.

Immediately. Thank God he has Dave Burke, Cigar Jukebox, to save... We're starting a new show with Dave Burke. What's that?

We're starting a new show with Dave Burke. Are they? We are. Oh, we are?

Yes. Music box? Music, cigar, music box. Cigar, music box.

Where we talk about music. Where we talk about music. And we run it. And we're doing a cooking show.

We run it on the same time. Yeah. And a cooking show? A cooking show, just like Coop.

We're going to talk about all the food. We'll talk about sandwiches. Sandwiches. Oh, there's pizza this week, I think.

He's talking about pizza. Oh. There's a baseball show too, right? Or is that just a regular show?

Sports, that's the regular show. That's the cigar show. Cigar show talks about sports. Okay.

You got a shop of the week there, Michael? No, I don't. What do you mean? You don't have a show.

Treasure Coast Cigars down in Pompeii. A new member of the Powstanie family. Excellent. Down there with Trevor.

Thanks, Trevor. Do you have a listener of the week? Trevor. Bung.

I can give you a listener of the week. All right, listener of the week. Mitch Smith. Bung.

You know, we made him not long ago because we found out we never make him. Mr. Broadleaf. Really?

We're going to do it again. Well, because the guy, he hit everything. He smoked a Postana, Connecticut this week, Habano, the Broadleafs, San Andreas. We got this.

Hashtag Coraline. Hashtag Coraline. Atta boy, Mitch. We appreciate you.

Anything else to add? Uh, nope. We got a big event this Friday here at the shop. Come and get a free cigar if you get a ticket.

Make sure you come on out. I saw that bump box. That was pretty cool. Thing's heavy.

Surprisingly heavy. Yeah, but I mean, you're not going to carry it like, you know. It's got a hand up. Like back in the day.

Let's put it up on your shoulder. That's the old way. Hey, did you drop Cigar Hustler off your Instagram name? I did, yeah.

But I have to market for the other stuff for weddings. What are you marketing for? For DJ. DJ Entertainment or something.

So what is it now? DJ Boots Entertainment. DJ Boots. It's DJ Boots and I had to make the O zeros.

Oh, that's it. Because someone brought it to my attention. They're like, oh, he dropped it. It was our attention.

Oh, yeah, to our attention. Yeah, no, I'm trying this whole new marketing thing. DJ Boots. I even bought CapCut.

I'm trying to learn how to use that. Oh, look at you. Look at you. It's a lot of hard work.

Yeah, yeah. It is. I could tell you. I could tell you right now that Palmer is trying to do thumbnail titles.

Oh, we got to take pictures. You got to see how bad they are. They're atrocious. Like for the, you're talking about for the podcast?

Like the little picture? Yeah, they're so bad. They're so bad. So, now he believes that he has to take photos, which he doesn't have to, But we're going to let him do it anyways.

It's better. Oh, you want like photos like of each show? Yeah, you pull photo from the video, but the way I do it, it looks terrible. Yeah, he does a terrible job of it.

You're going to have to take a picture of me. Yeah. All right. Well, hey, this concludes...

All right, it's been episode 385 of the Cigar Hustler Podcast. Thanks for listening. We have to go... Thank you, everybody.

We didn't even say what we're picturing. We don't know what we're picturing. We don't know what we're picturing. We don't know what we're picturing.

We don't know what we're picturing. But it's going to be good, whatever it is. It's going to be great. All right, bye.

Bye. We got the dookie dook.

Show Notes

This week on A Cigar Hustlers Podcast, we’re firing up more than just cigars. The 2025 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame class is out—featuring legends like Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, and The White Stripes—and we’re breaking down what the lineup says about music today. In politics, Trump’s push to revive Columbus Day has the culture war reigniting. Over in sports, Bucks star Damian Lillard’s Achilles injury could sideline him for the season, and the NFL Draft saw unexpected drama after a prank call to Shedeur Sanders caused a stir.

And of course, cigar lovers: we’ve got new drops from Alec Bradley, Altadis USA’s collector-worthy Montecristo jar, and Marlon Wayans’ surprising debut into the cigar world with Liga Tridente. Whether you're cutting a cigar or just cutting through the noise, this episode has something for you.

So grab a stick or a drink—this one’s got layers.