ACHP Episode 405 Sunshine State Shenanigans

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Music.

Here we go.

Are we going?

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Welcome to the Scars for podcast

episode 4 O 5.

I'm Mike Palmer with my Co host

Mike Step on cabbage engine and

our engineer boots keeping us in

line.

Grab a cigar, kickback and let's

get into it.

Yeah, Boots.

Yeah.

This week Florida becomes the

Wild West once again.

If the bag says no drugs in

here, better check.

Anyway, we all we have all the

highlights from NFL Week 2.

And in cigars, a crocodile goes

international apostate bears

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Cast of Wente is closing its

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We have Viva La Vida, Churchill,

a new Texas law, and some news

about my favorite, Joshua

Hubersky.

Then the show Revs up with

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Oh, it's a nice one.

It's a nice griddle.

It's a big griddle.

And now I believe, Mike, you

have some type of big

announcement you would like to

tell.

I do.

We are going to make a special

announcement on this week's

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So if you are a Patreon member,

listen and look forward to that.

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check us out on our

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It's huge.

Huge.

So just to be clear, the big

announcement is you must listen

to another show to hear the

announcement.

I do, yeah.

We have an announcement.

Just make sure I'm following

along.

I have an announcement.

I'm not going to disclose it

here.

So there's an announcement, but

we're not saying.

Anything that's correct?

And it's huge.

And it's huge.

What are we smoking on the

Patreon?

Is we, Michael?

We are smoking.

I just took it apart the would

you?

Like to use mine the original

warhead?

Perfect one.

This is one of my Infinity

stones.

The original.

Yeah, the Redux.

Oh.

I weighed an 18.6g by the way

and it is the first cigar for me

for the day so.

Looking forward to it.

Wow, this is going to be a

powerful punch.

You think so?

For the first cigar.

I don't have it.

Doesn't that doesn't affect me.

No, I don't have a powerful

punch.

I hate when people ask me like

how strong is it?

Like, I don't know.

No, I just mean for like your

first cigar of the day anymore.

Right.

Yeah, I couldn't.

They're going to make me sick.

Well, it didn't make me sick,

but I don't, I tell you.

Yeah.

Well, what is your first cigar

of the day normally?

Persona Connecticut Toro

sometimes Persona Connecticut

Corona Gorda.

Right.

So this is definitely heavier

than that.

It is.

I would say it's heavier, but

it's not going to affect me, OK?

You can't affect me.

You have no effect on me.

OK, OK.

You guys done with who's

stronger that?

Was just me talking to everybody

else you have no effect on.

Me.

OK, everybody ready for this

week's trendy news?

Let's go.

Big news in Florida this week.

The state nearly 40 year ban on

open carry firearms just been

struck down.

The wild Wild West.

Florida A Florida appeals court

ruled that the ban is

unconstitutional, pointing to

recent Supreme Court cases that

say gun laws have to be in line

with the country's historical

traditions.

So what does that mean in

practice?

Up until now, Florida could

carry a concealed gun if they

had the right permit, but they

couldn't wear it openly on their

hip the way that people can.

In most states, most states, you

can do that.

I didn't know what was going on

most days, didn't know it

happens in Texas.

That's about to change.

If the ruling stands legal, gun

owners will be able to openly

carry their firearms in public.

So it's not done yet.

No, no.

I guess they struck down the

law.

They said you can't, but I don't

know how that works.

But now somebody has to go.

But you can.

But wait, there's more.

Supporters of the decision are

calling it a win for the Second

Amendment.

Groups like Florida Carry say it

restores a freedom that never

should have been taken away.

But there's another side.

Critics, including some public

safety officials, warned that

open carry can make tense

situations more dangerous,

intimidate people in public

spaces and make it harder for

law enforcement to respond to

emergencies.

How does it make it harder for

law enforcement to respond?

I don't know.

What's?

I don't know.

I've never heard that before.

That's new.

Tell me.

Tell us Boots, who used to be a

security guard in the Navy.

Wow.

Protecting the shore because you

wouldn't get on a boat?

How?

Does it make it slower?

I guess it could be, you know,

maybe you need to know who the

actual threat is when you show

up to the scene.

Because they have a firearm.

Because everybody has a.

Firearm got a gun at that point.

We all have guns.

Who's who's carrying yo?

You know, OK.

All right, well, the state could

appeal this to the Florida

Supreme Court, and lawmakers may

try to set new rules around

where and how guns can be

carried.

But for now, the decision marks

one of the biggest changes to

Florida gun laws in decades.

Bottom line, whether you see it

as a victory or personal freedom

or a step backwards for public

safety, open carry in Florida is

back on the table.

And it's sure to spark a heated

debate as we head into the next

legislative session.

I saw a commercial with the

who's the judge in Polk County,

Grady Judd, saying about what

that this had happened.

But you can't carry guns in

courthouses or in schools or any

government buildings.

He wants you to shoot everybody.

For whatever reason, you just

kind of reminded me of like the

DNA guy on Jurassic Park.

Which one's DNA?

Yeah, like do you remember

originally like the first, the

first Jurassic Park?

The guy with the shaving cream

can.

No, no, he's talking about the

guy on the video that they see

when they go into Yeah.

The old lab.

Nope, not the old guy, no the.

Actual Helix thing, yeah.

The cartoon.

The cartoon of the cartoon guy.

Yeah.

Hey, you know.

OK, well, let's let's talk about

this topic.

This is a hot.

This is a good topic.

This is a topic that's going to

piss off at least 50% of you at.

Least at.

Least minimum half of you will

be upset.

But you don't even need a permit

now in Florida to conceal carry.

They pass that law where you

don't have to.

That's correct.

So here's a question I'm going

to ask.

OK, go.

If you have OK, so here's a

question I'm going to ask.

If you have the option to open

carry or just concealed carry,

which one would you choose and

why?

Boots.

Concealed why I don't even want

to see my boomstick.

You don't want people to see the

boomstick.

No, OK.

That's it.

That's it.

Like.

I don't want to see what I'm

carrying.

OK.

You think that having it out in

the open has actually put you

more at a disadvantage to some

degree?

Yeah, I mean, also having it out

in the open, you know, that does

make people tense.

You think so?

Yeah.

Is it going to make you tense if

you see a guy carrying a gun and

you can't get to yours real

quick?

It depends on what the guy looks

like.

Oh.

Like what ethnicity he is.

No.

Oh OK, did not say that.

I mean, I don't disagree with

that statement because like, in

Texas, it's open carry.

Yeah, and I saw a guy who

probably had a low IQ, right,

You know what I mean?

And he had a hand cannon on the

side of his.

And I'm like.

Well, he probably thought it

made him look cool.

And that's exactly, that's

exactly what he did.

I I think you're right.

Right, right.

It couldn't have been a toy gun.

And you look at him and you're

like.

Try me.

Do you squint at you like Clint

Eastwood?

This is a driving partner go.

Ahead, Paul, you feel.

And you know, because I was

traveling, I didn't, I didn't, I

didn't bring my own.

I didn't have my own on me.

That's.

The hardest part, no protection

if you're traveling because like

if you go to Georgia, you can't

have it.

You can't.

You can't carry in Georgia.

No, we can't.

Well.

Why not?

Because we live in Florida.

If you just because in Florida

you don't have to have a permit

doesn't mean in Georgia you

don't have.

It but if you have a concealed

license permit, you can carry

and.

Everybody's not reciprocal.

From what I remember, Georgia

was not.

Georgia's not.

Yeah, so you don't get caught

with it in Georgia.

Yeah, there are certain states

that do not allow you to go

through state lines, which is

stupid with same laws.

I mean, if Florida says I'm OK

to carry one, why can't?

Why does Georgia say I'm not?

And it's not that they say I'm

not.

They just don't have records of

me.

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't.

Know so, but so are you 4 Would

you, if you had the opportunity

to either carry concealed or

carry open, would you carry open

or would you carry concealed?

I think if we go to carry open,

it might start carrying again.

OK.

And if you did start carrying,

would you carry it open or

concealed?

It would be where I didn't care

if it showed or not.

That type of so open.

Does that make sense?

No.

So like, I'm not going to I'm

not going to purposely tuck in

my shirt tail so that it'll

stick out right.

But I'm not going to worry so

much like if I bend over that it

sticks out or.

You know so concealed you would

still carry concealed.

Depends on the clothes you're

wearing.

I mean like the outfit I got on

today.

If I didn't have the jacket, you

would see it.

OK, would you wear a holster so

that it was always apparent on

the outside of your hip?

Yes, that's the way it would set

up.

You would wear it on the

outside?

Yeah, Not tucked under a shirt.

No.

You'd wear it out OK, Look, I'm

not well, I'm just.

No, no, but if I had like AT

shirt on like you have on that

you don't tuck in then if it

showed or not I wouldn't care.

But I mean it could be covered

depends on how low the.

It's an open.

So if if it could, if it could

cover.

It's I'm not going to purposely

conceal it.

OK, so it would stay out, the

shirt would go under the gun,

the gun would be?

Out No, I would just wear wear

the clothes normally.

I'm not going to go to the

trouble to make sure everybody

can see it, but I'm not going to

care if it shows.

Well, Palmer.

Is a weird scenario.

What Palmer is describing is he

would open carry but if he had

to put on his jacket he would

conceal.

In this type of outfit, it would

be concealed.

Is that what you're saying?

Yes, I wouldn't, like, tuck the

jacket back behind you like I'm

on, you know, on Main Street

waiting for a shootout.

Thank you for helping me get

there.

Yeah, no problem.

But if I had your outfit on, you

might not see it because your

shirt hangs over your belt.

I'm not going to purposely tuck

the shirt under the belt.

Do you see that?

Does that see how that confused

me?

That part is confusing, Paul.

I'm not going.

To lie, you know what I mean?

I'm not going to tuck the shirt

tail in.

Because if if you get dressed

right, say Mikey got dressed

right, do you think he put his

gun on before he put his shirt

on hold?

On wait a second.

Let me back this up.

Let me let me let me try one.

Let me try one other thing.

There are holsters that go

inside of the pants.

Yeah, no, I I've never had an

inside the pants Holter.

I don't like them.

OK.

And there are holsters that go

outside.

Of the pants, all my holsters,

the three I have are all outside

the pants, so.

You would be open carry, OK, OK.

Right.

I mean.

But when I carried now I still

use the same holster though,

even though it wasn't open

carry, just the shirt would

cover it.

Well, you would have a jacket of

some sort over it or something

like that.

Well, I normally when this

outfit I wouldn't wear it

because if I took the jacket off

you would see it.

Right.

OK.

It's very complicated over here.

I would definitely, if I had a

Blazer like that, I would

definitely be the Mike Lowry

holsters.

Yeah, Mike Lowry.

What about like, you know, like

maybe Tomb Raider, the, you

know, gun on the leg, like

desert?

Eagle, that's how.

Desert Eagle strap.

Well, I didn't have the Desert

Eagle, but I used to have the

leg holster in the military.

That's how I rolled.

When he was a security guard.

I mean you still have to respect

private property when they say

hey, no guns.

Right.

Well, like, OK, you own a bar.

I do, do I?

Can you?

Well.

Yeah, I do.

Can with this law, has there

been any change to that?

As far as guns at a bar, Yep, I

don't think so.

Yeah.

How does that work upstairs?

Because technically it's a bar.

You no guns.

Yeah, there's no guns in

alcohol.

Right.

Yeah, but.

Everybody would die.

It would be crazy.

Especially that guy with a hand

counting.

It's a joke.

Yeah, you don't want that.

No.

OK, so nothing's changed with

that.

Yeah, I don't know, man.

For me, open carry, I just feel

like normally if you're open

carry, you run across people

like feel like they got

something to prove.

Now, you know, maybe that's

maybe I'm wrong, but the, the

few situations that I've had, if

you could see that the guy is

trying to prove something right,

you know, OK, let's, I don't, I

don't care about the law.

Like, hey, let's I'm not, I'm, I

don't, I'm OK with it.

It doesn't bother me either way.

But me personally, I don't think

I would carry open carry unless,

unless it got really heated in

this country, you know?

I mean an open carry does help

with some deterrence in

situations, but not most.

If anything, it makes you more I

I feel that it makes you more of

a target.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

Well, we'll see how this

unfolds.

I you know, normally it gets

walked back right, Right before

it happens, you know, like, oh,

it's not now, it's not

happening.

So we'll see some of the.

Governor's all in favor for it

so.

Yeah, that's OK.

I've seen governor's in favor of

it before and it not happened.

This is a yeah, this is a very

touchy and hard subject.

We're just coming out of tax

free bullet season where any any

gun accessory or bullets you

bought in the state of Florida

were tax free.

What a great state.

I love our state and.

Now we're all going to be

carrying guns, so it's not just

sidearms.

You can carry a rifles over your

shoulder.

I mean, OK, I'm I got news.

If you're walking down the

street carrying a rifle, you're

going to get stopped.

Someone's going to, someone's

going to have questions.

Why?

Why?

Because why are you carrying a

rifle down the street?

Because I.

Can.

I'm gonna follow you wherever

you're going.

All right, Fortnite, you're

going to get it.

Fortnite.

All right, folks, you can't make

this stuff up the woods.

One comes to a straight out of

Florida.

And.

It's honestly too perfect.

A woman was recently arrested

for carrying a tote bag.

Now, nothing unusual about that,

except the bag had words printed

on it.

Big bold letters.

And what did it say?

I can't wait.

Definitely not a bag full of

drugs.

Yes.

Did it really?

Yes.

Yeah, she heard that right.

A tote bag literally claiming it

was not full of drugs.

Here's the kicker.

The authorities opened it up in

surprise.

It was full of drugs.

Oh my God, what kind of drugs?

Let's go, Let's bring on and

find out.

She was rolling the dice on this

one.

I mean, you have to admire the

audacity, or maybe just the the

terrible judgement.

Either way, it's exactly the

kind of headline that makes you

chuckle and makes your head

makes you shake your head at the

same time.

Now the story has been lighted

up, social media and people been

having a field day.

Memes, jokes, captions.

It's basically the gift that

keeps on giving.

Some folks are saying that it's

the most honest lie ever, while

others are just enjoying the

irony.

And you've got to picture a law

enforcement opening the bag,

seeing the words, probably

raising an eyebrow and thinking,

well, that's subtle.

The take away?

Maybe don't label your

contraband and everyone for

everyone to see.

And also, Florida continues to

give us headlines gold, Weird,

wild and totally viral.

So they never actually said what

it was.

Kind of puzzles me just.

Said hey, you're not going to

believe.

You're not going to believe

this.

You're not going to believe what

I just saw.

This guy or gal?

He's a woman.

Yeah, says no.

Definitely no drugs in here.

No drugs here.

This is puzzling.

Oh, she's fine, It says no.

Drugs.

Let's carry on, yeah?

Just carry.

It's probably what she thought

would happen.

Just move along man.

But it's fine.

It says no drugs.

How'd they get the right to

search the?

Best, That's exactly what I was

puzzled about.

Reasonable, whatever.

I mean reasonable whatever.

I can't think of the right word.

It's a hell of a term.

Well, how can they search your

car when they pull up?

There's a There's a word for it.

Reasonable, Reasonable cause.

What?

What is that police?

Police Officer Melvin over

there?

Melvin.

Melvin, I can't see anything.

I don't know who.

I can't even see Mikey from

here.

Feel like I'm being

interrogated.

I think what you're referring to

to is reasonable doubt.

No.

No, no reasonable suspicion.

Nope.

But you're but what you're

saying.

Right now people are yelling at

the at the screen.

By the way, Cigar Surgeon told

me that it's called auditing a

class two weeks after the show.

Cigar surgeon.

Cigar surgeon and.

What did he what was he talking

about?

We were talking about how you

think of college, college class

without actually taking the

college class when you're

auditing the class.

Oh.

So you can't just, you just

can't go up and just search

someone's purse because it says

something it's not, it's not a

lot are.

You Are you texting people or

looking?

At I'm trying to probable cause

probable.

Cause thank you.

It it's not, it's, that's

something you just can't do.

Like she has to either jaywalk

or she has to be doing something

illegal for them to stop.

I can feel the outrage of our

listeners right now.

Probable cause dummies.

Right.

For them to stop her in the

search, yeah.

OK, so if she well.

Can't they?

I mean, if they think you look

suspicious, can't they search

you?

Maybe she saw, maybe somebody

wins the transaction.

You know what I mean?

That that's news Story's very

vague, yeah.

You know if there's a BOLO out

for a lady with a purse that

says it is not drugs, right,

Then yeah, then they could

search her.

Oh, looking at him, Bolo.

Yeah, what's BOLO stand for?

Be on the lookout.

I understand.

Thank you very much, Palmer.

I'm aware of.

That I can't see.

You don't know if you're trying

to be ironic.

I'm aware of that.

I was looking at him to see if

he could answer.

What I love, I can't see.

You could have been looking at

me.

First of all, you can see me.

I see a silhouette of the left

side of your face.

That's.

What I love right now is he's

completely vulnerable because he

can't see anything.

Yeah.

All you can see is the

teleprompter.

OK, so.

What color am I on the screen?

I got a blue light and a yellow

light.

Am I green?

Well, you're what?

You're green.

OK, You're green.

OK, well, blue and yellow make

green.

I'm going to make you do the the

chesting with me from now on,

no?

Yeah.

Then I won't record with you.

OK.

And this is the last episode of

the podcast ever.

We'll miss all of you.

OK?

Are we moving on?

Are we done?

You're either going to fully

commit or you're not going to.

Can't.

Fully commit.

I'm not doing the show over

here.

I can.

I can sense the difference.

No, you can't.

Yes, I can.

No, you can't.

I'm telling you.

No.

Yeah, no.

Are we moving on?

Yeah, there's really not much to

cover about the fact that the

guy, the girls had no drugs in

the drug, the drug.

No, she had drugs in.

There she had drugs in.

There, Yeah, she had drugs in

the bag that said no drugs.

Right, definitely no drugs.

Yeah, perfect.

And it doesn't only happen in

Florida.

But no.

But it did happen in.

Florida, but it only happens in

Florida, so please don't come to

Florida.

All right, here's a 3 minute

ChatGPT recapping NFL Week 2. 3

minutes.

Three minute read, the standout

moment, surprises and what to

watch heading into Week 3.

Big picture takeaways week to

reinforce the no team is safe

yet.

We saw dominant performance,

some greedy wins, key injuries,

and offense and defense that

still have questions.

OK.

A new team made statements while

others double checked how much

work they have ahead.

Let's break those down.

OK.

Teams who made noise tell me

Detroit Lions after rough week

one loss, Detroit Lions came out

blazing in Week 2, stoning the

Chicago Bears 52 to 21.

The Lions exploded through the

air.

Jared Goff and a near perfect

day, throwing 5 touchdowns,

including three to Eamon.

Ray St.

Brown I'm on, I'm on.

Thank you.

I'm on.

Ray St.

Brown.

Do you guys want to talk about

that?

Damon Ray.

It's OK.

I forgive him, St.

Brown.

I forgive him.

Almond raw, they put up a 511

yards and hammered home

explosive play, showing what

they can do when everything

clicks.

Nothing makes me happier than

you saying a name wrong.

OK, well, don't worry a lot of

sports people here and probably

get most of the names that.

Was a great great clip for me.

Baltimore Ravens, they bounce

back in empathetic or emphatic

fashion with a 41 to 17 win over

the Browns.

While their offense wasn't gaudy

and yardage I can't see because

it was lights, they're all three

phases.

Execution, turnovers, special

teams, red zone efficiencies.

Told the story of a team turn it

down for him that wants to be

taken seriously.

Because I can't deal with his

grumpy ass.

I'm not grumpy, I'm just trying

to see the screen.

Buffalo's defense dominated,

holding The Jets to just 10

points in a convincing 30 to 10

win.

The Bills made life miserable

for New York offensive, forcing

turnovers and allowing a big

place.

How's that feel?

If you can hit that one the

same, it'd be great.

That one's as low as possible.

Yeah, that one's already as low

as possible.

Doesn't even do anything for

you.

Yeah, it helps with the the

shade, the light.

No, he's got.

I can see a shadow now, but

whatever.

Teams that raise questions,

Kansas City Chiefs.

They lost in the Super Bowl

rematch with the Eagles, 20 to

17.

Kansas City's offense struggle

to stretch the field.

Some critics and some critics

late game errors included in an

interception cost them

defensively.

Philadelphia didn't give up any

home run plays.

Chiefs need more consistency.

Do you guys know they want to

talk about any of these as we go

through them?

Oh, we're waiting for the three

minute wreath.

Yeah, I'm giving a 3 minute

read.

You want me to read all the way

to the end?

You guys just go.

Ahead and then I'm going to, I'm

going to tap into the boots on a

couple of things here.

New York Giants mixed bag.

Strong second-half, some

explosive plays but a ton of

penalties and self-inflicted

damage.

They had leads but sloppy

execution undetermined their

chance, undermine, sorry,

undermine their chances.

Quarterback health.

One big story was Joe Burrow toe

injury against Jacksonville.

He left early.

Jaylene Chase continued to

produce, but it Burrows is out

longer.

The changes that the Bengals

outlook significantly.

That changes the Bengals outlook

significantly.

OK.

Is that everything?

What?

Was that person's name that then

changed significantly.

Yeah, what guy?

I'd have to go back, I don't

know, back it up.

Joe Burrows hurt his toe.

Jalene Chase.

Perfect is.

That not his name.

One more time.

Jalene, Jalene.

Jalen Jalene Jalen.

Jalene.

It's not even close.

I love it.

But it's I mean the first

letters, right?

Yeah, you got that right.

Maybe the second one too.

OK, All right, so.

We're going to talk about Jamar

Chase or.

No, Jayleen.

Let's talk about Jayleen.

It's totally different.

It's J.

AYLEAN on here.

How does it spell it?

That's.

Definitely not how?

That's not who that is, I hope.

It was a Jalen Chase on that

too.

That's the way they spell it on

the Internet, yeah.

That's not how this.

Not like I'm making this stuff

up, I just cut and paste.

I had no idea who.

I honestly had no idea who he

was talking about.

I did.

I'm glad.

Is the last name Chase?

Yeah, I'm glad that you did the

connection there because I mean,

you know, Oh my God.

OK.

Next week, no sports.

OK, so a couple things to really

to mainly cover.

So you think the Bengals are

screwed now?

Yes, I mean, I did.

The guy that came in, they

didn't do bad.

No, he didn't, but.

There's no way that he can

consistently do that.

You don't think so?

No, because this guy Burrows out

for almost 3 months, they said.

Yeah.

So you're going to ask this guy

to basically play for the whole

NFL season, OK.

Right.

I think that they need to go and

get somebody else.

I saw somebody very lonely on

the sideline last night.

Who wasn't Kirk?

Cousins.

Was it Jaylene?

He was super lonely.

He was super lonely.

I you know what, dude?

I don't know, man.

I think that a second string

quarterback can succeed with

guys like Jamar Chase and T

Higgins in the wide receiver

slots.

I mean, if, if so, probably what

they'll do, right?

They're going to go one more

game with them and see how it

rolls right?

And if it doesn't, I don't know

who else is there.

Backups but behind him, but

they'll probably go out and grab

somebody.

I don't think so.

I think they ride it out with

this guy.

No veteran.

You don't think any veteran

presence is coming?

No, no.

OK, the Giants complete mess.

That game was a complete mess.

OK, a complete, utter train

wreck.

At least my boy Pickens finally

got a tutty.

Yeah, Dak was definitely

supposed to lose that game a

couple times, but it was just

crazy how it ended with that

field goal.

I like George Pickens.

I know my guy.

I don't think George Pickens is

a bad receiver.

I think when he, I think his

problem is, is that when he's

when he starts catching the

ball, he gets overconfident,

right?

I almost feel like, and then he

makes stupid plays.

But I mean, when he's not

overconfident, he's just on his

game.

I mean, that guy doesn't really

make some great catches.

OK.

And now for the question of the

week.

How soon do you think Mike

McDaniels gets fired?

Does he make it to Week 4?

What do you think?

I don't know.

I don't know what the Hell's

going on.

Did you see his interview?

No.

I mean, his interviews are like

the for the past two games,

you're like, well, you're not

supposed to lose a game, so I

guess we're going to try and win

next one.

Like that's what he's saying.

Yeah.

It's like, OK, you've definitely

checked out.

Oh yeah, he's done.

He he knows it's over.

You definitely checked out.

You must have heard what

happened in the players meeting.

Nobody wants you there anymore

and Tua is in left fucking field

by himself.

Yeah, I don't know what he's

doing either.

He's literally just throwing it

to the other team.

Yeah.

It's not like, oh man, I

accidentally threw it short to

this guy.

No, it's like a beamer to the

guy's fucking hands, right?

Who's the Who'd they play?

The Patriots.

It's horrible.

That's right.

They played the Patriots.

I mean.

You don't have Tom Brady

anymore.

You sure you are not supposed to

be losing these guys anymore?

Wow, division loss.

Oh, it's.

Going to be next week too are.

You playing the Bills?

Yeah, Thursday night, here

comes.

You're good.

All right, so the Dolphins are

going.

Oh, and three.

You know what's fun?

I'm going to say this for the

Herf boys.

Go ahead.

What's really funny is even

though the Dolphins look like

absolute fucking dog shit right

when they play the Bills, for

some reason, whenever they play

like those guys or when they

used to play Tom Brady right,

they come alive.

Yeah, because they're working on

trying to beat them every

season.

It's it's retarded.

Except you played the Patriots

this week and you did not come

alive.

Well, there's no Tom Brady.

There is no Tom Brady now who

the Chiefs got this upcoming

week 'cause nothing, nothing

makes me happier, Mr. Palmer,

than your beloved Chiefs being

on too.

My wife, beloved Chiefs.

No, you know, I see.

No.

Now you're distancing.

Follow sports.

You.

Yeah, you were definitely all

over and last.

We have over 400 episodes of

this show and I guarantee you.

OK, talk about the Chiefs, but I

don't know anybody on the team,

but.

Go ahead.

Every time we mentioned the

Chiefs when they were winning,

you were a Chiefs fan.

Go, Chiefs.

Oh yeah, Do you?

Have a wife.

Do you understand how you

support your wife when they like

things?

So she does watch parts of the

show.

So I'm going to say, well, they

suck, and then I'm going to deal

with that when I get home.

No, I don't think you can use

that as an excuse.

Well, OK, well you can.

I think you can say, hey, my

wife's a Chiefs fan, so I'm a

support the Chiefs, but that's

not what you.

Said My wife's a Chiefs fan, so

I support my wife and if that

involves supporting the Chiefs,

then I support the Chiefs.

But that's not what you said in

the past.

You said go Chiefs.

Yay.

How is that not supporting my

wife for supporting the chiefs?

Because my wife likes the Chiefs

if I say go chiefs.

You didn't explain that you

supported the Chiefs.

Because it was never such a big

deal as it apparently is now.

It's a big deal now because

they're losing and you're like,

yeah, whatever.

I couldn't tell you if they were

winning or losing.

You would because your wife

would tell you.

OK, it's Week 2.

She watched the game in Brazil

or wherever it was they played.

Yeah, she watched that game.

I couldn't tell you if they win

or lost.

Well, at least you knew it was

in Brazil.

See the type of anger you got

right now?

It has nothing to do with the.

Yes it does.

Because you're attacking me.

I want the No, it doesn't.

Yes.

See, like you just did it a

little bit there and you're

already smiling.

Because it hurt.

It didn't hurt.

All right, So I guess that's so.

You didn't tell me when you

think Mike McDaniels is going.

To wait.

That's it.

We're not going to talk about

the Chiefs now.

They're owing too.

Was that the all you wanted to

get me to to say?

You obviously, well you just

said you don't care, so.

I don't, I don't, I don't know.

I don't care, No, but.

So you're pretending, so now you

can pretend.

Well, I thought they were more

involved.

OK, Were you just going to tell

me they were owing too?

And then that was it, whether I

cared or not.

How can I have a conversation

with somebody about a team that

they don't care about?

You know, I don't watch sports.

I don't care about any team.

You used to pretend like you

cared and you'd acted like you

were involved.

Now you now they're losing and

you're like, I don't care.

I couldn't.

Tell you they're when you're

losing.

Until you just told me, I didn't

even know.

It must be nice.

I didn't even know if they

played this week.

OK, they all play this week.

No, if they played the week we

just ended.

I understand they all played

this week.

OK, everybody.

Yeah, I don't even know how many

teams there.

Are I think the byes start in

week 5?

Oh, but they don't play next

week.

They play next week.

You just said they don't play

next week.

Did I say that Boots?

No.

No, all right.

Yeah, so McDaniels probably, I

give it another two weeks and

then the guy that looks like the

rock on the sideline, he'll

probably take over.

So you think come week four,

week 4 could be the last week

for Mike McDaniels?

Well, it's it's going to be

announced in that one because

Week 3 is against the Patriots.

So we know this is going to or

against the bills.

So we know this is going to be,

everybody knows it's an ass

banking.

So they were all they were all

over 3.

It's an if we got a problem, if

it's a horrible ass baking,

yeah, he's gone do.

You think they let him back on

the plane in Buffalo?

Is it in Buffalo?

Please tell me it's in Buffalo.

It no it's yeah it is in Buffalo

yeah 'cause it's not going to

snow they.

Let him back on the plane.

I don't know.

They just leave him there.

I.

Don't know what Tyreke's going

to do this.

Is your home now?

I don't know.

I don't know what Tyreke's going

to do.

Amazing.

OK.

All right.

Andrew Palmer.

Next.

Next article.

And As for the Chiefs, so sorry

they couldn't stop the touch

push.

Yeah.

It's a hard that's a hard thing

to stop.

Bucks can stop it.

I've seen the bucks stop it.

I mean Philadelphia played like

shit.

Did they?

That's what great teams do

though.

The great teams win when they

play like shit.

Yeah, I think Hertz only threw

for like 111 yards.

I mean, Saquan, Saquan and one

other running back had more

total yards than Jaylin did.

I guess it should be that way

though.

That guy's a rushing and passing

machine.

You should be doing that.

Doesn't matter, they won the

game.

I understand.

That's all that matters.

Was there any there's no bills

talk in this whole thing?

What about him?

First of all, another pussy ass

week for the Bills.

Oh my God, they took all their

players out after the second

quarter.

Why?

Because they were winning.

But I don't care second quarter,

you still have the third

quarter.

Play your guys, let them get

their stats.

That was a score.

It was like 30 to 7 after the I

had halftime, but then I did see

Josh Allen broke his nose.

He broke his nose.

Yeah, they popped it back into

place.

It's all bruised out.

Josh Allen's awesome.

Yeah, give the fucking stats.

You're so angry.

I get angry because I bet on

this idiot because I'm like, OK,

he's definitely going to get 200

yards passing, right?

Nope.

I get it.

Maybe you shouldn't bet.

I'm not betting on him no more.

OK, all right.

Angry Palmer.

Next story.

Warp sending Isadel Crocodilio

Toro Grande to international

markets.

Isla de Crocodilio Warp Cigars

has created a limited edition

version of its It's a del

Crocodilio that it will be

sending to non-us markets this

fall.

It's a 6 1/2 by 54 Toro Grande

and uses the same bass blend as

the original release, meaning an

Ecuadoran Habana wrapper.

The top 2 binders, 1 from

Ecuador and the other from

Brazil with Nikki Raguan tobacco

used for the filler.

But for the release, some

Peruvian Pillo Pilloro was added

to the filler to contribute

sweetness to the profile.

I have a question, Palmer.

Yes.

While me and Mikey were going

back and forth about the sports,

Yes.

How many times were you

pronouncing Crocodilio in your

head before you're reading the

story?

None.

None.

No, it is made of Tablicalera

like Isla and the Dominican

Republic, with production

limited to 1500 boxes of 15

cigars.

The release also gets updated

packaging coming in a blue box

instead of the green one used

for the original release, while

a secondary band that indicates

it's intended for non-us markets

has been added.

Release date has not been

announced, but the company is

planning to show the cigar app

at the Enter the Back 2025 trade

show fair being held in

Dortmund, Germany next week.

Warped announced the cigar via

Cigar Aficionado.

An e-mail sent to the company

asking to confirm the accuracy

of the article and requesting

images of the cigar has not been

returned.

That's that's like the second or

third time that I've heard that

something was submitted to

Warped and there was no

response.

Who owns Warped?

Kyle, something, something.

I don't know.

Yeah, it is Kyle's.

I remember the first name Kyle,

don't know the last name.

Maybe it's one of those e-mail

addresses that they don't check,

like it comes from info at Warp

Cigars or something.

And when you respond, it just

it's a dead e-mail account.

But like, there's nobody in the

organization reading the

articles saying hey.

I don't know how big warped is,

how many people work there.

If I had to guess one.

If there's three people that

work at Warped, you think one of

the three would be reading the

article?

We had that customer a couple

weeks ago said the e-mail is for

information and we don't know

where he emailed.

He doesn't even remember.

Where he hasn't always sent it

to.

No, he doesn't remember either,

but he re ended up.

I mean, apparently he can reach

us to just about anything else,

but whatever that e-mail.

Was so, yeah, but that, you

know, but that was my point when

he said, hey, I sent an e-mail,

right, OK, where did it go?

Right?

Like I want to fix that right,

you know, instantly.

I don't want that to happen

again and then happen again if

there was a.

It could be 75 companies out

there going, yeah, we answering.

Well, we sent the e-mail.

Oh, fuck it.

Where'd you send it?

I guess they don't care, you

know?

We were trying to buy 500 boxes

from this guy We.

Care.

We care.

We care, We care.

Contact us or anything, send us

a smoke signal.

Yeah, something you could text

us, you could textbook message,

you could TikTok.

I got 1 customer ID that deals

only through Instagram

messenger.

LinkedIn.

Hey, and there you go.

So.

So.

Like I'm not on all these

different things.

And you got to cater to that

customer?

Sure.

What he wants, that's what he

wants.

Have you ever carried warped?

No, I have not.

I don't think once.

Well we emailed them, their

don't answer.

We had questions about something

that he was doing and.

And they didn't answer e-mail.

I don't.

I've never had one of those

before.

Warps ago.

I think I've had the original

crackadelio from somebody.

OK, we're going to talk a little

bit about this on the Patreon.

About that specific specific.

Signal about like this got it

warped in general.

Is this the announcement?

No, the announcement's big.

Is it?

I'm excited about the

announcement.

I have no idea what it is.

It's a great announcement.

Perfect.

Well, I'm sure that's why it's

called an announcement.

It's a big deal.

Not like I just happened to tell

you.

Right.

It's an announcement, so all

right.

Apostate Chips.

The 8 Witnesses.

A prostate.

I didn't say a prostate, it said

apostate.

Oh.

What'd they witness?

Earlier this year, Apostate

Cigars announced that it was

going to double the number of

cigars it offered by introducing

new four and stroke.

No, no, it's the way it's

written.

But I think it's four and a

quarter by 44, but it says it's

four 1 / X by 44.

So there's a letter missing

vitola to each of the companies

8 regular production blends,

which previously were offered in

just one vitola.

Today, those new sites are

collectively known as the 8

Witnesses are Shipping.

Like many of the names of the

company's other cigars, the 8

Witnesses names have roots in

the Church of Jesus Christ of

Latter Day Saints.

The price reach release are

there's a corona, there is a

petite corona.

Oh, they're all petite coronas,

they.

Have four and a quarter by 44.

Yeah, they have different names.

Feathered Serpent, the sword of

Leban that's probably said that

wrong.

Leban.

Leban.

Leban.

Hironi's Trumpet.

Moroni's Trumpet.

The Endowment.

Like from Gotham City, Moroni.

I don't know the way, I don't

know Moroni from the guts.

No, each cigar is packaging 20

count bundles designed to fill a

single display until holding all

8 blends at once.

Well, all the blends are now

available in the same 4/4 and

1/2 by 44 vitola.

Oh, a half, 4 1/2.

The original vitola is mostly

varied.

Only the initial and the

endowment are the same vitola,

both 6 by 52 toros with the 8

witnesses.

We're giving smokers the

opportunity to taste the core of

each blend in a consistent

format, said Kendrick

Wollenstumo, Co founder, said

that Wrong Co, founder of

Apostate Cigars, in a press

release.

It's about stripping away the

variables and focusing on the

blend itself.

Whether you're revisiting a

favorite or trying something

new, the size delivers the

essence of every cigar.

OK.

Did make your bed go here?

You know, I've I have good heard

good things about apostate

cigars.

I just haven't.

I don't think I've had any I've.

Never.

I've never heard of them before.

Maybe get a four and a half by

60s.

You carry this little 4545 or

whatever it was.

There's a little thing.

It's not a bad size like.

Weezelito, this guy's. 8

witnesses.

All right, moving on.

On the Epstein island.

Casta Fuente, one of the world's

most recognizable cigar shops,

is closing on October 20th,

2025.

Its closing is not abrupt.

Since last year, Casta Fuente's

owners have known that stores

lease comes to an end this fall

and that they would not renew

it, marking the end of the

stores 20 year run in Las Vegas.

For those who are interested

interested in stopping by, Casta

Fuente's final day will be

Monday, October 20th.

Big blowout.

Why?

Pick summer blow out.

There's no reason for them to

blow out.

They just bring it back to

Fuente.

Fuente owns it.

Cast of Fuente, opened in the

summer of 2005, is located

inside the Forum Shops at

Caesar's Palace, is operated by

the Frey Brothers, who opened

the store in partnership with

Robert Levin, owner of Ashton

and Holt, as well as the Fuente

family Stores Attribute to all

things the Torro Fuente.

The walls are decorated with

logos and imagery found on

Fuentes products alongside

pictures of the Fuentes.

It stocks an incredible wide

selection of Atoro Fuente

branded merchandise from

Prometheus Humidors to Guaya

Bears, and is humidor almost

exclusively carries cigars made

by Atoro Fuente.

Exclusively.

Including those made by Fuente

for Ashton, JC Newman and

Prometheus.

Because of its status as a House

of Arturo Fuente, Cass Fuente

has long been known as a place

to get hard to find Arturo

Fuente products like Opus X and

rare cigars like.

Between the Lines is one of the

few stores in the country that

that can say it typically

carries BBMFSI don't know what.

That is Big Bad Mother.

It's a opus.

Feathers.

Opus.

It's one of the hardest.

It's like one of the rarest,

most sought after Opus.

Opus Nexus.

Until they started going crazy

with all this other stuff.

And often times, next to the B

Big Bad Mother Evers is the even

rare Fuente cigar.

OK, it doesn't say with the even

rare Fuente cigar.

Doesn't make sense.

Doesn't doesn't since opening

cast of Fuente has its own line

of cigars and for a long time.

Like what?

Yeah.

Oh, I thought you said

something.

They could more or less only be

purchased at the store in Las

Vegas.

There were limited exceptions to

the exclusivity, most notably

once per year when Holtz would

host an annual event called

Fuente Mania, during which it

would sell a limited supply of

Casa Fuente cigars.

In 2021, Toro Fuente began

shipping limited quantity of

Casa Fuente cigars to stores

nation nationwide.

Or tradition that continues

today?

Sure does and a phone call.

Michael Frey, one of the stores

Co owners, said he had mixed

emotions.

He was sad to see it in, but was

proud of what he and his

partners were able to offer to

the city of Las Vegas and many

guests.

OK, so have you been to the Casa

Fuente?

Yes, all three of us have.

Is that where the LFD thing was

happening?

That's where we had the

birthday.

No, what birthday?

Ledo's.

Birthday.

It wasn't Ledo's birthday.

Not a Casa Fuente.

Oh, then I don't think I've been

there.

OK, well I think it might be it

was in the same.

No, remember we tried to go with

skip and then it was, it was

like closed or something.

So.

For a private event or something

like that.

I was in the same mall as the

other place then.

I did see it, but yeah, I didn't

go.

In it's a cool place.

I remember.

Seeing it, it's a cool

experience.

I've been there before.

You know, it sucks that it's

it's going away.

However, do you think that it's

gone for good in Vegas?

Why would they not renew the

lease?

Because of cost?

Would that be the only reason?

I think that, you know, smoke

bad, like people get pissed off

when they're you.

You would, the way that you

would smoke at Casa Fuente is

you would sit out in the little

patio that they had there and

that's indoors.

So so you couldn't smoke inside

the shop, you had to smoke in

the mall.

Yeah, you could smoke in the

shop, but you could also smoke

in the mall too.

So people would come down the

escalator and boom, you'd be hit

with it instantly, right?

And, you know, people complain.

There the the article goes on

and it talks about their

neighbors in the mall.

So maybe the lids or the Hello

Kitty Cafe didn't like the

smoke.

Right.

It's too smoky, too smoky.

So Hello Kitty, so you know the

question.

The question is, do you think

that Casa Fuente will open up in

another location somewhere in

Vegas?

No.

No.

And why is that, Sir?

What's the point then?

I mean, that was prime real

estate.

The point is to sell cigars.

Yeah, but they're not looking to

be a cigar shop.

You know what they're looking to

do.

No, I'm just saying it's just,

it was nice because it was in a

prime location, right?

And it was prolific, right, for

Fuente, you know, to be in that

spot.

Now they'll open it up somewhere

else, like off the Strip or

anything.

No, I don't.

I didn't say they'd be opening

up off the Strip.

You think that they'd open up

somewhere else on the strip or

in in another hotel or something

like that?

I think the only good place

would be would be in a in one of

the casinos.

OK, but you don't think they're

going to?

I don't think they.

I think that would probably be

super expensive.

I have.

A little more information.

Keep going.

Over the years, Casa Fuente has

been through numerous battles to

keep smoking in the patio area.

Some involve fights in court,

which it won, and others involve

the physics of ventilating the

smoke.

Nearly a decade ago, the store

underwent a significant remodel,

which included upgraded

ventilation.

At the time went on, patio

seating was reduced, and last

year, the mall's landlord told

the store that the smoking and

the patio needed to stop.

Too many other tenants were

complaining, OK, it says.

They lost so many seats that the

revenue had gone down because

people couldn't stay there and

hang out.

Oh, they lost chairs.

OK.

So do you think that they're

going to open up somewhere?

Else, it says the phrase will

continue to sell cigars in Las

Vegas.

It just doesn't.

Sell well, they have.

I think they have other stores.

They also own the Casa Monte

Cristo store in Caesar's Palace

and the Monte Cristo Cigar bar

in Paris, Las Vegas.

In addition, they own cigar

boxes sort of located just off

the Strip.

As of now, there are no plans

for another Casa Fuente, but the

Frey brothers did not rule it

out.

OK.

So do you think that they open

up another Casa Fuente somewhere

else?

The last line says they have to

be an amazing location, so if

the ideal spot came up I think

they would.

OK, so where is the ideal spot

in Vegas that you think would be

a good fit for the Casa Fuente

store?

Oh I have.

I have no idea.

I've only seen stuff associated

with the show I couldn't tell

you.

OK, you have no idea.

I mean no, I mean.

What about like what?

What do you think the top

casinos are?

Hotel casinos in Vegas are.

I would think it would be

Caesar's Palace still in it.

I don't know.

Caesar's kind of old.

Don't know.

OK, What about you?

I.

Mean we get we get trouble when

we when it was at the any of the

other two places walking through

the casinos with cigars.

OK.

Maybe like Aria or MGM?

MGM's older.

Maybe one of those.

What about the wind?

Oh yeah, maybe the wind.

They do a lot of stuff.

What about the Venetian?

I never I've been in the

Venetian with you guys.

Where did?

We stay last year that's.

Where we stay was that.

The one we stayed at last year,

yeah, that one seemed pretty

friendly actually to us, right?

So Oh well.

They already have that cigar

shop in there though.

What cigar shop?

Or not a cigar shop, but it's a

cigar lounge bar.

The. 666 or whatever.

The one they let us smoke in.

Oh, that's, that's not there.

That's at that's the other place

we stayed, that's at resort.

World, Resort World.

That's the one I was thinking

of.

Yeah.

They seem pretty friendly to us.

Smoking everywhere.

Yeah, but they have a cigar

store there.

Oh, really?

Yeah, and they already had the

resort world is is struggling

with a bunch of things.

Though.

Yeah, yeah, maybe the other like

the Venetian palazzo, is that

what you're talking about?

Yeah, I think that, you know,

if, if I'm gonna, if I were to

run Casa Fuente, I'd want it at

the Venetian of the Palazzo.

Well, that's the one that hated

us smoking the most.

Yeah, well, I'd try and figure

that out if that, if that was

potential to happen or, or my

own standalone building on the

strip would be cool, you know,

'cause then nobody could say

anything to you.

What's that nasty hotel?

Maybe they just bulldoze that

one and put it there.

Circus.

Circus Circus.

You don't like Circus Circus.

I think they were getting rid of

that anyways.

There you go.

You just make that.

I think it's.

Pretty cigar shop in it.

And the new one.

And the new one.

OK, maybe the the Playboy one.

OK.

What?

What did he whisper?

Was it like a play?

We don't have headphones on when

you whisper.

We.

Can maybe the Playboy one?

Isn't there a Playboy Hotel

casino there?

I have no idea.

Trump likes cigars.

Maybe the Trump Trump one.

Oh, Trump has one, Yeah.

Is Circus Circus still open in

Las Vegas?

Yes, it is still open.

Oh.

It looks pretty bad.

It looks pretty bad.

As a family friendly resort with

a casino, theme park and other

attractions.

Despite ongoing rumors about its

sale and potential demolitions.

Demolitions.

Sorry, still there.

Maybe down in the Tesla tunnels?

I don't there's not a lot of

foot traffic there.

A lot of cars though.

OK.

All right.

Next.

Viva La Vida, Connecticut.

Churchill and Sarah.

Debuting at the PCA, 2026.

Oh.

Last month, the Artisano del

Tobacco, he's in the Del Taco

people surveyed people on the

e-mail list about which Vitolas

it would like to add to his

relatively new Viva La Vida

Connecticut line.

Weren't these the guys that were

so excited about the San

Andreas?

That was the El Pupo guys.

Oh, El pupo not.

Yeah, not Del Taco.

That's right, all right, the

results are in, and the two

Vitolas have been determined as

the winners, the Churchill and

the Lancero.

OK.

The company says that it will

begin working on making those

Vitolas with a target launch

date of 2026.

PCA Convention, a trade show

which takes place April 18th to

the 20th in New Orleans.

When they debut or when they

debut, the two new Vitolls will

join the two existing Viva La

Vida Connecticut cigars, A

robusto and a Toro Artisanal.

Del Tobacco introduced the Viva

La Vida Connecticut at this

year's PCA Convention and trade

show, which took place this past

April in New Orleans.

I thought I was going to give

the date.

The line uses an Ecuadorian

Connecticut seed wrapper over a

Nicaraguan binder and Nicki

Raguan fillers is made by AJ

Fernandez in Nicaragua.

The company says it received

responses from nearly 700 people

who voted in the following way.

Churchill 43%, Lancero 21%

Corona Gorda 9%.

Really.

Interesting.

Not real cigar people.

Oh, Salamone, 8%.

Almost as much as a Corona

Gorda.

A6 by 63%.

OK.

And then a nub 3 1/2 by 54.

Just two guys.

OK So what do you think are the

top 3 sizes for a cigar brand

boots?

Toro, Robusto and probably

Turjo.

OK, what about you?

Toro, Robusto and Corona Gorda.

OK, here are the top 3 sizes

that I think are important for a

cigar brand.

Toro, Robusto and Corona Gorda.

I totally agree with you.

Saying are important, but I

thought you asked what are the

top 3 sizes of?

OK, here are the top 3 sizes

that I think.

Here are the top 3 sizes that I

think are the best sellers for a

cigar brand.

Toro, Robusto.

Corona, Gorda.

I mean, I agree on the Corona

Gorda, you should have that

size.

Well, but you want Churchill.

Well, I I was thinking you were

mean like what are the the top

sellers in the cigar company?

I just said these are the top 3.

It's the same thing.

So you're, well, you don't have

a Churchill.

No, right?

Not on these lines.

Right.

You know, because it's not the

best seller.

Robuso, Toro.

Corona, Gorda.

I I definitely think the Corona

Gorda is way better than a

Lancero or Churchill or Salamone

or.

The problem the problem with the

Lancero is that's like a real

geek size and some people will

buy it but only a small portion

of a bite.

I know guys that won't buy it

and smoke it because they feel

like it's too thin.

Too girly?

It's, yeah, like it's feminine,

yeah.

Which is not true, but that's

just how they think.

Well and the the Corona Gorda is

the best flavor size.

In in most in most blends I

would agree with you.

I enjoy the Corona Gordas.

Gorda's the best.

OK, anything else to add for

that one, Mr. Angry Palmer?

Do you carry these guys, by the

way?

Michael.

Do you carry these guys or no?

La Vida, Yeah.

Bevan La Vida.

No, I didn't get to vote.

Well, you don't have.

You usually have to be a

customer, not retail store.

Nope, I didn't.

I didn't.

I didn't vote.

Oh, we have to determine our

winner.

Do you have that worked in or

no?

We're going to do it at the end,

but you can.

Do it at the end this one.

All right, Cayman Cigar Company

launches overhauled core lines.

Cayman Cigar Company has

announced that it's shipping new

versions of its three major core

lines, Manor, Monarch, and

Sovereign 2.

As part of the change, the lines

are getting new blends, all new

Vitellas packaging, and in some

case, changing factories.

So they're redoing everything.

They're only keeping the name

all done.

In a rather interesting move,

these three lines were produced

in two different countries.

Perfect.

These cigars that are shipped to

America retailers will be made

at Table Calera La Isla, the

Dominican factory that already

makes other blends for Cayman,

while the cigars sold in the

Cayman Islands and exported to

the UK will be made in the

Cayman Islands.

Anthony Cantelamo, CEO of Cayman

Cigar Company, told Half Wheel

that the company is importing

tobacco so the blends are

identical regardless of where

they are made.

Did that happen?

Would it if if you buy tobacco

and ship it to Dominican

Republic where you're making it

there?

Yeah.

And then buy the same tobacco

and ship it to the Cayman

Islands.

Won't it taste different because

of the conditions that it's

sitting in?

Michael, you know, it is nice to

see you grow and learn in this

industry.

Thank you.

You were 100% correct.

Different.

The humidity's going to be

different, the air's going to be

different.

Correct.

Whatever you're sitting on the

floor is going to be different.

You can take the same blend and

bring it into a different

factory and it's in the same

country.

It's going to taste.

Different right?

Because of the the tables the

putting the macro on the table,

there could be some on the

table.

It's a combination of things,

right?

You know I.

Don't know, these are these are

things that grow and stuff.

It's not like you know the

moving cardboard.

Yeah.

You couldn't even make the same

food in both places and ever

taste the same.

Yeah, and.

Right.

Yeah, but that goes for

everything.

I mean, like, let's say, you

know, you make skillet chicken,

I make skillet chicken.

That's what I said.

It's.

All yeah, it's all the same.

It's.

The water at his house is

different than the water at my

house.

Your butter is different than my

butter.

Yeah, a different brand of

butter, different type of

seasoning.

I use McCormick.

He uses something he found on

the floor.

That's why I make the best

French toast on Sunday.

I thought your wife made the

French toast.

No, I make it.

I like to make it.

She has made it in the past.

Yeah.

So I don't think that that's

accurate.

Not at all.

Well, you know the hardest.

They're playing though.

Maybe they're going to redo

everything again once they see

they don't taste the same.

Hey, why is this one different?

Well, we made that in the Cayman

Islands, Sir.

I don't hear me.

You know that's the.

You put it on the Dominican

palate.

Yes, Sir.

But it did change, I'll tell

you.

What about the Cayman palate?

We don't have Cayman pilots.

We don't know.

We don't know how to make those

here.

You know, the real question is,

did this guy believe that?

Was he told that so he believed

it?

Or is he just trying to, you

know, did someone tell him?

Yeah.

Or is he just?

I think somebody told.

Him or is he just flim flam?

And I think I think you're

right.

I don't know the guy at all.

Yeah, no.

This just then Luciano makes

partnership with Cayman.

Alleged alleged that didn't

have.

My goodness, that'll be, that'll

be hilarious.

We're kind of out there.

You know the hardest part?

Look at my eyes.

It will be the same.

It will be the.

Same.

OK.

The hardest part I think is

people give information and it's

normally incorrect in this

industry.

And what happens is that person

then goes and repeats it, you

know, and then that person

repeats it and just kind of.

And it's fact.

Right.

And then it just spins out of

control, right.

So the reality is it's not going

to taste the same.

No, at least in our opinion.

And I think that we're right.

Yes, we've been doing this long

enough where you know if it if

it looks like a duck, you think

it just looks like a duck.

Just be common sense.

Yeah, I mean, the guy's trying

to protect his brand.

I understand that.

But you know, it's almost better

to just say.

Yeah, this is the Cayman Island

version.

This is the Dominican version,

right?

See which one you like best and

you have to buy both of.

Them that actually would have

been a better marketing scheme.

That's right.

You just market it to sell

separately.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that was that was a free

consulting from a Cigar

Hustler's podcast.

Yeah, complimentary.

Brand owners that listen to the

show and don't tell us.

Yeah.

Oh, they tell us.

We know who you are.

They tell us because they.

Well.

When they correct us what we

said wrong.

They're very mean.

They're very.

Mean they're not nice at all.

And they delay our shipments

and.

They delay our shipments.

And then we're sitting on

warheads.

What?

Who said that anyways?

Sitting on something else,

right?

The new Texas law goes after

tobacco sales using cartoon

celebrities and food images.

Last week, a new law went into

effect in Texas that may

restrict how retailers in the

state advertise certain products

and events.

The SB 1313 was passed in June

during the legislature's regular

session and went into effect on

September 1st.

The relatively short law creates

new restrictions for retailers

selling tobacco and vaping

products.

The legislature passed two other

bills that specifically target E

cigarettes, but SB 1313 is

broader and applied to the sale

of cigars.

It creates 5 new restrictions.

You'd like to know where they

are.

I would.

A retailer commits the offense.

The retailer uses any manner

related to the retailers

marketing advertised under sale

of cigarettes, E cigarettes or

tobacco products.

A sign, logo or other design

marked that one depicts a

cartoon like fictional

character.

Primarily aimed at entertaining

minors.

Two imitates or mimics the

trademark or visual appearance

of products primarily marketed

to minors, or three includes a

symbol primarily used to market

products to minors. 4 Includes

an image of a celebrity. 5

Includes an image resembling a

food product, such as candy or

juice.

Notably, the law only applies to

retailers, not manufacturers or

distributors.

So we can make whatever we want.

OK.

They just can't sell it.

Yeah, well, I mean, you know,

how do you enforce a a brand

that's sold throughout the

entire nation, right?

You can't.

Well then the people in Texas

won't carry it.

Right.

You can only control the factor

of Texas, right?

There's only there's only two

things I can think of that have

these things that can't sell.

OK.

In Texas that would be anything

from Was that Brian descent?

Yeah, Bravada.

Bravada, that stuff.

And then the Ray Lewis cigar.

OK, how about the Mike Tyson

cigar?

Is his face on there?

It's not his name is though.

No, you said face.

Does it just say face?

He said.

Celebrity picture.

Yeah, well then Guy Fieri's OK

too then, right?

Is his face sitting on the

stuff?

Correct.

And you know, it didn't say that

you couldn't do cartoons.

You just can't do a cartoon

that's based.

For yeah, you can't do.

Yogi the Bear you can't do.

Like Elmo or Cookie?

Monster.

Yeah, Cookie Monster.

Let Brian descend it.

You can't do any of.

Those.

I mean, you know, you don't

really want to do those things

anyways.

No, no.

Yeah, there was a big

controversy with.

That someone made the cigar

Yellow cake.

You can't call anything yellow

cake.

You can't call it yellow cake.

No, because it's a food product.

What?

Didn't they just do something

with pork?

Pork rinds or pork?

Something pork tenderloin.

Pork danderloin can't do that.

Oh, that's a good one.

You know, what's kind of crazy

to me is that the number of

cigar smokers is so low in the

entire US, and yet you're still

trying to force regulations.

I don't know why you're trying

to force these.

What does it do?

You're not.

You know, you're not impacting

anything other than you're

hurting small retailers, you're

hurting your own.

Taxpaying.

Yeah.

Things.

Yeah.

Taxpaying things.

Texas wanted to be the second no

tobacco state.

Well, isn't that kind of funny

though, that like a lot of

people leave California to go to

Texas for these freedoms, and

now all of a sudden we're

starting to see freedoms being

taken away?

I'm really surprised to hear the

name Texas.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Well, they left the one state

with the completely obnoxious

regulations and they're moving

to Texas, and now all of a

sudden we're seeing regulations.

Texas.

It says you can't even advertise

a cigar dinner that has food in

the in the promotional.

Material that's insanity.

Don't come to Florida.

I don't want you to screw it up

for us.

You guys just stay on that side

of the states.

Yeah, please.

I love it.

God.

There's no water over here.

There's no food.

Don't come.

We.

Should build a wall.

Big wall.

Now wait, it says prohibited.

They're likely prohibited from

using pictures of celebrities

like Guy Fieri, Ray Lewis, Mike

Tyson or others who have their

own celebrity endorsed cigars.

They name them.

They just did, yeah.

Well, this is the article this

said likely you can't.

So who enforces this?

They talk about a penalty, it's

$2000 an infraction.

Wow, that's in fucking.

Crazy, but but it's it's very

vague.

Yeah, and it says the law does

not define what a celebrity is.

Right.

Well, yeah, how do you?

I mean, if Mike Tyson's coming

to town for a cigar thing.

Does knuckle sandwich?

Does it say Guy Fieri on it?

I don't think so.

I think it's somewhere.

Does that name on the box or

something?

No, that was 1 box of the the

three different ones that had

those those little.

But like I, I.

Just, well, they say that skull

from the knuckle sandwich is his

skull.

Why do you care so much about

this?

Why do you care so much about

controlling this substance?

I could see this stuff as far as

it relates to kids.

OK, but why celebrities?

But a lot of people aren't

promoting kids.

Stuff anyway, so I mean, why do

the stuff like Guy Fieri or Mike

Tyson?

Because the five year old's

going to go, oh, he's on Diners

Drive insurance and whatever.

I want to eat that cigar.

I mean the cigar industry does a

pretty good job of self

regulating.

Oh dude that was distasteful.

You shouldn't do that.

And usually it dissipates and

goes the way there isn't as a

thing that that looks like it

could be confused as kid related

that has sustained name one that

has sustained and is continuing

to come out every single year

that you're like, OK, why is

this continuing to happen?

Because it if it's released, it

doesn't sustain, it doesn't last

long.

I didn't see anybody, you know,

OK, You're trying to regulate

cigars because of children.

That's what this whole thing

sounds like, right?

Right.

Their tobacco products.

Well, kids aren't smoking

cigars.

Right.

But I don't, OK, But even even

whatever, OK, take that out.

I don't see regulating any TV

channels regulating the word

Nickelodeon, right?

They've had a lot of issues in

the past with kids, right?

Oh, OK.

That's a problem with

Nickelodeon and the kids.

There was a whole thing about.

There was a whole thing, that's

true, but I mean, you're not

going to regulate.

How do you regulate that?

Yeah, OK.

The word Nickelodeon.

You could put in there.

You're not allowed to put the

word Nickelodeon on any clothing

or anything inside these stores.

Well, you'd hope that those

things have been addressed.

I'm just saying.

You know those You're not

arrested.

You're not allowed to sell Blues

Clues clothing.

This says pork tenderloin.

That cigar would technically be

OK because there's no image of

the pork tenderloin on the

package.

So maybe it has to be an image?

But there's no image.

They say you can't put an image.

Of a food.

Oh, OK.

But it doesn't say image of

celebrity.

So I could make a cigar and call

it food and it'd be fine.

You can make a cigar and call it

cupcake as long as you don't put

a cupcake on it.

Got it.

Is a yellow cake.

Yellow cake has cupcakes on the

package.

Does it?

Yeah.

It's such a vague.

That's a problem.

Law.

Look, it's just over regulation.

It's dumb.

It's ridiculous for an industry

that's so small.

Right.

OK.

All right.

Well, good luck, Texas.

It seems that most of the cigar

products that use cartoon images

as part of their packaging would

remain legal because the state

would need to determine what the

cartoons are primarily aimed at

entertaining minors.

Retailers caught violating the

law will be subject to a Class B

misdemeanor, which could include

a fine up to 2000 and or 180

days in jail.

This is just so dumb.

You know what it what it did it

just, it just opened a door for

things and it's it's unfortunate

and it's ridiculous.

But advertisement for children

on energy drinks is OK.

Perfectly fine.

Yeah, it may kill that because

there's a warning on here.

But Four Loco got in trouble

because it looked like an energy

drink that had alcohol in it.

Yeah, they got in trouble that

came off the market.

They literally put a video game

on energy drinks.

They do, that's true.

Crash Bandicoot was on there.

That's right.

That's on the 1 upstairs too,

for PCA.

Extends Joshua Bersky's contract

through 2031.

Yay.

Premium Cigar Association has

announced that has extended the

contract for Joshua Bersky for

five years, meaning his contract

now runs through 2031.

Bersky serves as a group's

executive director, the top

management role among the paid

staff as of last.

So is there unpaid staff that's

higher than him?

Probably.

As of last month, he also began

using the title of CEO, a man.

He just decided he's going to be

the CEO.

I will.

From this point forth you will

acknowledge me of CEO of PCA.

Oh hell, Haburski.

Oh hell.

With $2 million man.

The group said that he would

serve in both roles, one of the

head of the organization and the

other is the head of the entity

that owns the organization.

Oh perfect, he makes all the

rules.

Makes all the rules.

I am in charge.

Oh wait, they the they own

assets which includes a multi

$1,000,000 investment portfolio.

Really.

It's Washington, DC

headquarters.

Wow.

Board of directors and staff

have been rolling out new

programs that we experienced our

largest increase in membership

and revenue in the last decade,

said Todd, president of the PCA

board and owner of ZT Cigars.

No last name.

You, I can't pronounce it.

You.

You familiar with ZT cigars?

No.

In Oklahoma, in Oklahoma, in

Oklahoma.

This is a turn, this is a team

effort, and we are pleased that

Joshua's leadership and managing

his team said CEO and president

of PCA.

Habersky joined the association

in 2019, first serving as the

head of its federal lobbying.

Last year, he was promoted to

the top staff role after Scott

Pierce, his former executive

director, dropped for oh,

departed, sorry.

Departed for the Cigar

Association of America trade

show organization to make more

money, allegedly.

I am very fortunate to work at

the epicenter of the premium

cigar industry at the PCA with a

phenomenal group of people on

staff and on the board, said

Joshua Habersky from his tailor

shop near the new home.

I'm grateful for the confidence

of our team to lead the

organization.

We innovate with a watchful eye

towards history and tradition.

In addition to a Bersky's

extension, the PCA is promoted

Antoine Reid to senior director

of marketing and communications.

Nice.

Reed's previous title was

content Director, and as

announced on our show a couple

weeks ago, he's getting a legit

podcast studio and real cameras

and even a microphone.

He's getting a camera.

Well, yeah.

Did you hear the portfolio these

guys have?

Multi million.

Multi $1,000,000 investments

apparently.

And the headquarters in DC.

The PCA is a cigar retailers

group best known for its annual

trade show and convention.

It says the membership consists

of more than 3000 retail

storefronts around the country.

OK.

So do you think that Joshua

Hiberski should have gotten a

six year contract extension

boots?

Didn't he just get there?

He got a originally it was a

three-year deal and apparently

it's coming up OK, I think.

I think next year it expired.

That sounds about right.

Oh, well, then, yeah, I thought

he just got hired.

But yeah, if it's coming up,

then yeah, of course he'd have

to renegotiate a new contract.

OK.

So who makes the decision that

was he part of the group that

gets to make the decision?

Well, he's the CEO and the

board, the top board guy.

But there is a guy in charge on

the board.

I mean, they, they, you know,

the guy from ZT Cigars made a

press release that he was happy

about it.

That's my question.

Right, but non paid staff is not

allowed to have a vote.

I imagine the board decided, I

don't know what was on the

board, didn't like Angela.

You just get put on the board.

Maybe.

So there's like 6 or 8 of them,

they all sit around and vote.

Well, I mean, wouldn't you want

that guy?

Wouldn't you want to take care

of that guy so that guy could

take care of you?

So what isn't your kind?

Aren't you kind of incentivized?

To give as you would think or.

That you want.

To be, you know, like, OK, you

had your turn, now it's my.

Time and it doesn't affect good

luck with that.

From what I can see, it looks

like Joshua Hubersky's working

his ass off.

I mean, there's an image of him.

He's.

Yeah, there's a picture.

I mean, you look.

Homeless.

Oh, this is.

That guy a lot.

Of pictures.

I think he's over in Europe or

something right now.

I saw a picture in France or

something.

He should be in Texas.

And he can take our dry humor

very well.

Yes, yes.

So he is a favorite of the show

so.

So there's a lot of positives I

think with him.

However, I don't necessarily

agree with the six year

contract.

Think 6 is too long?

I think that it should be.

If you want to do a six year

deal, that's fine, but I want 2

every two years.

I want to analyze.

Right.

Revisit.

Well, we don't know the

conditions of the agreement,

maybe, but yeah, I think 6 is

rather.

I mean, the president only gets

4.

Yeah, I think that there should

be some types of checks and

balances, checks and balances

and not from people that.

Could benefit from the checks

and balances.

Thank you.

That's correct.

This guy's making almost as much

as the president isn't.

He, I think he makes more.

Yeah, he makes more than.

He makes more than the

president.

And then is there about. 400 KA

year.

Is there an increase, you know,

through the six years?

I'm sure there is.

Right, there's got to be some

sort of.

Deal here, right?

Yeah.

We have multi.

I'm in charge of multi million.

Dollars.

I just want to see checks and

balances.

I still don't know what the

Ricardo guy does.

Oh, the Ricardo guy.

Yeah, still don't.

Know well right now well, Josh

knew he was going over to

Europe, so he had to have

somebody to take.

Him around?

Yeah, he needed Ricardo.

You know what?

Let's hire this guy.

Right, he did.

I watched one of his posts

recently.

I was like, I don't know what's

going on here.

Is that the price one guy?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't understand.

His he was at some place, he

didn't even know where he was.

He's like at the end of it, he

said.

Like where am I?

What's what's the closest street

or something like that?

Oh, very, very busy man.

Should know Mr. Kayak.

Mr. Kayak OK, so is that it?

Yes, there were a time for

What's the score?

The number one cigar game.

That's the one I wonder.

Oh, you wanna do it now?

No, you have it.

You have it set up.

At the very end.

OK, Yeah.

All right, here's the first

cigar.

The best part of this podcast?

September 30th, 2025.

Charlie Minato.

The cigar is Honduran.

Oh boy.

It's from My Father Inc.

It's a My Father Blue Toro

Gordo.

This is a good score.

Have you had it?

No.

This is good.

Is it time for the meeting, you

guys?

Keanu just pulled up.

Would you like to go first, Sir?

It is.

Sure, I'll go first.

The thing this saying should

rank with Charlie probably 86 I.

Was doesn't know what I was

going to pick 88.

My father, Blue Toro Gordo from

Honduras.

My father's cigars Honduras.

The rapper is the USA

Connecticut Broadleaf Bunders, a

Honduran fillers Honduran.

It's a 6 by 60.

It's box pressed.

MSRP is $13.

It was released in July 2025.

Number of cigars Smoke for

review Three what?

Do you got?

Still 80.

Excuse me, 86 Jesus, that thing

hit.

Me.

Holy crap he's dying over.

There, I'm going to, you know,

I'm going to come down with you

at 86.

All right, while the darker

umber color is fairly

consistent, there's a lot of

visible texture that muddles up

the appearance.

It's most plentiful with the

various veins, which sometimes

produce some black lines.

But perhaps most notable, at the

foot of the two cigars, where

the texture of the leaf is

noticeably gnarlier than at the

other parts of the cigars, the

foot is gnarlier.

He doesn't like the way it

looks.

Correct.

Correct.

It looks gnarly. 85. 86.

The first cigar's flavor in the

mouth is somewhat bland, earthy

with some white pepper and

leather, but it's very spicy on

the lips.

The second cigar has milk

chocolate, orange rings and

earth, more detailed than the

first cigar, but only medium

plus in intensity.

The third cigar is the most

developed of the bunch.

Sweet fruit punch flavors,

leather, white pepper and

freshly freshly rained on grass

around medium full.

So.

So, Charlie, is Ian freshly

rained on grass?

He's eating orange rings.

I don't know what's an orange.

Rings.

Yeah, he's a consumer.

Is that like a funion?

Yeah, it's like a funion.

Yeah.

I mean, it sounds like he likes

it, so let's go to 87.

I'm.

Gonna stick 86.

While that my father, Blue Toro

Gordo, presents a calmer profile

during his final third, the

other two are going in the other

direction.

I find both cigars to be much

sharper with the some type of

terror terror, some type of

spice and pepper flavors

dominating flavors, a city and

some more pedestrian earthiness.

I'm still 87. 86.

It's pretty rare for a cigar

company so established in one

country to enter a second

country and having to do it.

Look at a Toro Fuente and the

span of a year makes an

incredible interesting time for

the industry.

It would be foolish to make any

broad statements about the

Garcia's Honduran operation

after just three cigars.

However, there are a few of any

new for 2025 cigars I've been as

interested in smoking as my

father blew.

What I found was a cigar that

showed lots of hallmarks of my

father, but also a base that is

decidedly different.

While my father has made earthy

cigars before, this one was less

aggressive than a release like

La Bijoux, which is a blend I

would consider more earth

forward.

I'm curious to see what comes

next, especially if Ashton and

Tatwahe, major clients of my

father Nicaraguan factories,

start to get their own Honduran

blends.

Regardless, this is a good

cigar.

It's a good start for a new

factory. 87.

OK, So I'm do I think it's

higher than an 87 is the

question And I and I think no,

I'm going to go 86. 90 Holy shit

booty wins.

Hey, one for the boot guy.

I'm.

Losing respect for Charlie by

the minute.

All right, next cigar.

July.

What?

Oh yeah, you already did the

number.

Yep.

Yeah, you won.

You won.

I won a legit a legit win for.

You a legit?

You're supposed to go.

But nobody can see me on the

camera.

That's OK, they can feel it.

July This next cigar from July

18th, 2024 by Brooks

Whittington, OH.

Great, Mike is going to get it

'cause he knows Brooks.

It is an Italian cigar.

Oh great.

The Toscano Toscano Italia What?

All right, there's two Pollocks

and an Italian cigar.

It's an Italiano.

Italiano sky.

I don't even Dirty K Come on

down, score somebody.

Oh, he's first.

That's how the game's played.

It's not like it's your first

time.

I went first last time.

Oh, you want me to go first?

Yep.

You lost, you lost.

You have to go first.

I just I usually go for a

second.

Round.

Wait, say that one more.

Time you said an 88.

I usually win all the time.

Oh.

OK, I'm going to go Italian

cigar.

Italian cigar. 86.

Oh, that's, that's OK. 8688,

Correct.

Yeah.

All right.

Cigar review.

Toscano Italiana from Italy.

Factory is manufactured Cigarro

Toscana Spa.

Yeah.

Rapper is Italy.

Binder is Italy.

Filler is Italy.

It's from Italy.

OK 6 1/3 by no ringgage.

It's Cherut.

Vitola.

It is an Italian cigar.

It's a Cheruti.

Release date 2024 Number of

cigars released.

Just the regular production.

You know, everybody knows it's

the Bowser number of cigars.

Smoke for review today.

I am a plumber.

I am a plumber.

It's me, Mario.

I was hoping there was a Fuente

quote in the cast of Fuente

Closing.

I was going to do Mario's voice.

Were you?

He looks like he would talk like

Mario.

It is me Fuente Yippee yippee

the.

Toscano, Yoshi Edition.

OK, all right.

Three cigars score.

OK, is charut.

No, Italian.

Yes, it's a fucking charut.

It's Italian, don't mislead,

Boots.

You might not know what a

charrud is either.

I smoke charrudes.

See, it's not a charrud now

it's.

A charroot.

There it is.

Charroot is what I scores.

Gentlemen, when he scores. 87.

That's what Clint Eastwood

smoke, right?

Yes.

Except this is not straight.

And Brooks?

And Brooks?

86.

It comes with a. 8687, yeah.

All right, if I smoke it, I can

spit the fireball.

This this clue is for boots.

Prominent veins are everywhere.

He loves the prominent.

Veins and each of the three

cigars is noticeably bent in the

middle so that both ends bend

inward.

Aromas from the wrappers are

very similar, with strong

campfire and Mesquite woodiness

easily overtaking any other

scent that might be present.

It's definitely.

It's your root.

Tascular there's Italian scores

down with fuck 87. 86.

No change compared to the aroma

coming from the wrappers and

feet.

The cold draws are almost

shockingly tame.

The combination of campfire and

Mesquite is still the dominant

combination, but it's not nearly

as strong as I expected.

And there are other flavors

easily recognizable, including

mint leaves, leather, charred

meat, cinnamon, a generic

sweetness and coffee beans.

I'm going to go 85.

Is there no flavor he didn't

taste?

There's a lot of flavors.

So many flavors.

Just to.

Make it taste like a campfire.

I don't know 86 it can't change.

I moved to 85.

All right, this is a bonus note

from Charlie Minato on Brooke

Whittington's review.

Right.

I hate everybody, Charlie.

Says this review is based on

smoking the full cigar and not

cutting the cigar in the middle

and smoking it as haves, which

may which may do with Italian

cigars.

More on that in the final notes.

Sign Charlie Minato.

I hate everybody.

Swooped in.

It's still at 85 for me.

Reach his word limit for his

review.

So he had.

To by the way. 86.

That's what you said before.

Yeah, he won 85, I won 80. 60

Did you say 85?

I didn't hear him.

Yep, all right.

Two of the three cigars run into

enough burn issues that they

each need a couple of

Corrections with my lighter to

prevent large problems, but

other than that all other

aspects of the constructions are

great.

It's 84 for me. 84.

Let's take a 86.

If I were what?

Do you feel like when you have

to correct the cigar, that would

be bad.

They just, yeah, it's not

supposed to happen, but I just

don't care.

Yeah, I don't care either.

I mean, I may be talking, right?

Maybe the wind's blowing from

one side or the other.

Yeah, I mean, I have to correct

every car that I smoke, every

cigar that I smoke in my car.

That's not a right, Yeah.

Right.

That's not a construction issue,

right?

No, it's not.

Cigar's fault.

And I'm a man.

I smoke a lot of cigars, you

know?

Correct.

So be a man if you know, like

dude, some of the things, some

of the shit that you see is

fucking crazy.

I saw a guy light a cigar and he

did this whole thing after he

lit it and he was.

Like piano does that upstairs.

To like aerate it or what?

I don't know what he.

I don't know what this is.

I don't know what's going on

here.

I'm like, are you OK?

Are you just thrashing that or?

Did you have a seizure?

Like if you know if it's a

lighter wrapper cigar, you're

going to break it.

Do you know what?

Do you know why Keanu does that?

Tell me.

I'll tell you what he told me,

OK?

He told me that after you toast

it and you do that, it cools the

cigar down enough in order to

light it.

I don't know what that means,

but.

All right.

So he told me similarly, but he

said it needs air to go through

it and if it's your cigar, I

can't put it in my mouth, so I

fling it up and down in the air

to get the.

Well, all right.

Well, I'll give him that.

Yeah, I'll give him that, I

guess.

But I saw the guy with his own

cigar doing that.

Right, OK.

He's like, let the bodies hit

the floor.

Theatrical.

Yeah, I.

Know what's he singing?

Pretty much.

Wow, that's great.

Yeah.

Great voice.

Still see that guy that very

first year that told me how who

to how to light a cigar.

The bald guy with the you see

him every year at PCI have.

No idea who that guy is.

I.

Don't know who he is either but

he walked up that first year and

told me and then I see him every

year after that.

It was a lot going on a.

Lot.

Of stuff.

All right, if I were to base the

cigar's profile purely on the

aromas emanating from the

wrapper and the foot, or in this

case the ends, then I would walk

away from Toscano Italiano

thinking it was nothing more

than another fire cured tobacco

blend dominated by signature

campfire and over woodiness that

are so prevalent in blends that

utilize this type of tobacco.

However, at least when it comes

to this cigar, I would be very,

very wrong.

Instead of that aforementioned

overwhelming combination, the

actual profile is full of

meatiness, Mesquite and salted

popcorn, along with some floral

sweetness on the Please Don't

Interrupt Mesquite and salted

popcorn, along with some floral

sweetness on the retro hill and

a surprisingly mint note that

shows up on the finish at

various points during the two

hours smoke time In the end 2.

Hours.

Please don't interrupt.

In the end, the Descano Italiana

is surprisingly balanced and

approachable, and could easily

be a change of pace cigar for

anyone looking to add something

different to their lineup.

That was the final.

Thought, Oh my God, how?

Did he smoke that tiny little

thing for two hours?

That's what I'm saying.

I.

Think maybe he meant all three

cigars.

No, I know.

I think it's just one at a time.

So he spent six hours smoking

these.

Oh, my lawn.

Wow.

How do you get How does the mint

come out over the campfire in

the Mesquite?

Shit, what do I do?

Here, let alone the salted

popcorn.

This is this is a tough one.

Just by the way, Palmer, there

is absolutely probably none of

those fucking flavors.

I don't know how people get, I

mean, I could get the campfire

in the Mesquite, but that's all

I'd get out of that.

Thing 87.

Oh man, he took a jump quick.

He did.

I'm sticking 86.

So disappointed in your boots.

80. 7.

Won that one.

See, that's what you do when you

win boots.

And I have won the day as I have

nailed the number and you did

not.

So he got 1/2, you got a full.

Champions again?

All right, Mike, who is the

winner?

What?

Did we give away?

Was it a lighter AT shirt?

We gave away a lighter this.

Lighter.

Gave away a lighter.

An 87 on that fucking cigar.

Sorry, that was just really

eating at me.

He loved it.

It's amazing.

It's the best cigar ever.

Yeah, he ever had.

It's the fucking tarout.

He smokes it when after dinner

'cause he has the mint and

cleans his palate.

Jesus.

And the popcorn when he goes to

the movies.

Have you ever smoked this

Toscana?

Yes.

There's no way it's an 87.

All right, let's see.

Is it, is it Mikey?

Do you feel it's a 87 does?

It matter what he feels.

He didn't score it.

It doesn't matter.

It means nothing to me.

Do you not have?

Are you not?

Prepared David Morris also says

if Boots wins, he takes Mikey's

spot on the podcast for one

episode when Mikey runs the

cameras in a gorilla outfit.

If Mikey wins, Boots has to do a

whole show on camera in a Tutu

and a crop top, and Mikey gets

to control the cameras.

This was the Dolphins going 500.

You said they'd easily go over

500.

How do you feel about?

That now going into Week 3.

Well, I would be fine with it,

but are you going to be able to

control the cameras?

Yeah, you've never done that

before.

It's.

Not going to matter, you're

going to be wearing the Tutu.

But either way, Booch gets a

week on the camera.

Right.

So it's a win win for me.

I'm.

Win for boots.

You don't care Better than

wearing the mask.

You had to wear it for 300

episodes.

The baby pig, the the alien.

I've always taken a picture of

you on the Tutu.

Whatever.

Yes, I get on camera.

Whatever I get to be on.

Camera all right.

Done all right, so let me see

here I have I we had more

comments today this this week

and what what do we want to give

away this upcoming week?

Next week, yeah, I don't know

something.

We haven't planned anything.

Is it it's post on you?

There's something we can give

away that's in with your

announcement.

Yes.

Oh.

Let's give away a Gordos and

Goblins shirt.

Oh, OK.

Oh, there you go.

We're going to give away a

gordos and goblins.

Shirt this week.

All you have to do is like

subscribe and comment below to

episode 4 O2 right, which is our

most recent episode 4 O 2.

No, this is 4.

O5 This is four O 5.

Wow, let me start that over

again.

We're going to give away a.

Gordos and Goblins shirt All you

got to do is like, comment and

subscribe and comment on episode

4 O 5 of this week's podcast.

Bang Bang.

OK, let's see what the winner

is. 123-4567 108910111111 this

week.

Pick a number one through 11.

He can't because last time he

said.

Ryan Boots 72, Yeah. 6/6.

Oh, let's see.

Oh, I lost the comments.

Try to go in the middle. 1/2.

Good luck everyone. 456 OK, I

got this at Data Cash 2004.

We are going to message you.

Congratulations.

Oh, I know who that is.

It's Paul Carlson.

Oh.

Congratulations Paul, you have

won a post Sonia lighter.

The lighter.

Did Gretchen send you a photo

this weekend?

Oh yes, yes, they came to my

event.

They say it almost the entire

time.

That's awesome.

I love it people, I love.

It thank you so much I love it

when people come out and support

us and come and hang and you

know that's fantastic so I got.

To go to his house.

It's a lovely home.

It is a lovely home, lovely

home.

OK, what else you got Listener

of the Week?

Who you got?

Bryce Field.

Bong.

You made a lovely comment on our

Patreon, what a great show it is

and we used him for a slight

little small marketing thing.

Yeah, we did post it.

Thank you very much, Bryce.

We appreciate your support.

And you're right, the Patreon is

the better of the two shows.

Oh yeah, I shared that.

All right, shop of the week,

What you got Treasure Coast

Cigars in Vero Beach, FL.

Well, I'll be on September 23rd,

day before my birthday.

From 12 till 3 I believe the

event is.

Excellent Treasure Coast cigars.

Treasure Coast cigars.

All right.

Anybody got anything else?

I think that's it.

Patreon.

That's where we got to go.

Guys, we got to go to the

Patreon.

Thank you very much.

We'll see you next week.

Thank you.

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Show Notes

Welcome to Episode 405 of the Cigar Hustlers Podcast!

I’m Mike Palmer, joined by my co-host Mike Szczepankiewcz and our engineer Boots keeping us on track. Grab a cigar, kick back, and let’s get into it!

This week Florida turns into the Wild West as open carry laws get flipped on their head, and in true Sunshine State fashion, someone gets busted with a tote bag that literally said “Definitely Not A Bag Full of Drugs.” We’ve got all the highlights from NFL Week 2—including big wins, ugly losses, and injuries that could shake up the season.

In cigar news:

Warped sends the crocodile international with Isla del Cocodrilo Toro Grande

Apostate expands with The Eight Witnesses

Casa Fuente says farewell after 20 years in Las Vegas

Viva La Vida Connecticut announces new Churchill & Lancero sizes

Cayman Cigar Co. refreshes its core lines

A new Texas law cracks down on cigar marketing

And the PCA locks in Joshua Habursky through 2031

Plus, we review the My Father Blue Toro Gordo, shout out our Listener of the Week Bryce Field, spotlight Treasure Coast Cigars in Vero Beach, and wrap things up with another round of What’s the Score?

Don’t forget—on Sept. 23 I’ll be at Treasure Coast Cigars in Vero from 12–3, and on Sept. 26 we wrap up the month-long Camacho event at Hustler with the giveaway of the Halo 2B Gas Griddle!

Light up, tune in, and let’s roll with Ep. 405 of the Cigar Hustlers Podcast!