October 21, 2025· 1h 24m

ACHP Episode 410 Cyber Spies and Games Crashing

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And go.

Welcome to Cigar Hustler podcast

episode 410.

From shocking headlines to

Sunday heroics, this week's

stories hit hard on the field

and online.

And when the smoke settles,

we're lighting up what really

matters.

This is a Cigar Hustler podcast

episode 410.

Bing bong.

Say hello, Michael.

Hello Michael.

Hello listeners and viewers

across the world.

Bright new beautiful world.

Boots is sitting on the board

this week.

Hello.

This week.

Every week.

Well, last week we had Ryan for

half a show on October 27th.

Mike and I will be on.

How about that cigar?

It's 9:00 PM, right?

Is it on at 9:00 PM on 9:00 PM

Eastern Standard Time and then

on N6M and I again will be on

the Real Smoke Podcast at 8:00

PM Eastern Standard Time now on

November 14th right here in this

very room.

It's a Hustler Experience

ticketed event, a wine tasting

with Mr. Pete Johnson.

Ah, yes.

Mike, you tell the people all

about the wine tasting.

It's a private event, it's going

to be held downstairs in the

private lounge.

Tickets are 100.

Percent something I haven't

already told them.

I'm working on that.

OK I mean I have like 2

sentences in before you cut me

off.

It's the shirt.

I'm even wearing your shirt.

Oh, you are wearing my shirt

there?

Didn't even know.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, sorry, I forget.

It's your show.

I apologize.

There's going to be Yeah,

exactly.

You forgot there's going to be a

$35 credit towards any tattoo I

purchased that night.

We're going to have a a private

wine pairing with four different

wine said.

I'm guarantee you've never ever

experienced before in your life

and you're going to love them.

You're going to get to hang out

with Pete Johnson.

We're going to do a live podcast

interview with Pete.

And as you already know, if you

listen to some of our other

interviews, they're not like

your other quintessential cigar

interviews.

So.

No, they are not, and they are

great.

Yeah.

We're going to have a big

charcuterie board, and I think

Palmer just farted.

No, yeah, it certainly sounded

like it.

You all right over there?

I didn't fart.

Oh, he's gone to the age.

That's just he just.

Yeah, he can't hear it.

It's just.

Relating.

I could feel it, I'm sure.

Yeah, maybe, Maybe.

It's diaper time.

It's diaper.

Time.

Diaper time.

Look, you changed my diaper

once.

We're not doing it again.

So if you want, if you want to

join, if you want to sign up on

the private lounge, you want to,

you want to be part of the

event, check out the site or

call the store.

I can't say the site.

Is there a?

Is there?

Is there a limited number of

tickets?

Yeah, there's only 24 tickets

available total and we're

already, we've already sold

through some of them.

Do I get a cigar sampler?

Yes, you also get a thank you so

much.

See, that's why I need you.

Even after you shit yourself,

you get a cigar.

That's a toy.

A cigar sampler as well.

Perfect.

All right, now how do we get

some of that sweet, sweet

chapter pod swag, Michael?

What you want to do is go check

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We have recently released our

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Shout out to my guy Corey Davis,

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Mark Palmer, the best Palmer

ever in the entire world, and

David Hoffman for your purchases

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Also, I quietly turned on the

Man of Smoke shirt.

So.

It's up there, but we haven't

really talked about it yet.

So, man of smoke.

And what's that beautiful shirt

you're wearing today?

Oh, I'm wearing, I'm wearing my

hero.

There he is.

My my my mentor.

I I do have one question.

My guided light.

The Diaper King.

The Diaper King Diaper king in

the.

Cigar industry who I'd be lost

without with a BDP shirt.

How do we have shirts of

different value?

Let's say you get 40% off the

cheapest 1 if you buy 2.

It's the lowest, it's supposed

to be the lowest value, least

expensive, but it's broken right

now, so it's actually higher

than 40% off, but I'm going to

fix it quick.

Order now.

But yeah, it's actually a little

bit higher than what it is.

Also, we have to do one more

giveaway, I believe.

Let's see who has commented.

Comment on the short count as

well.

No, it's just on the main show.

Like and comment and subscribe

to us and comment on the main

show and you have a chance to

win something from us.

Did the gentleman last week

claim his Bryce?

He did.

Nice he did.

And Bryce, I got you.

I I'm sorry I sent you the wrong

shirt.

I'm going to send you another

one.

Nice, Oh.

So now, but now I'm now being as

smart as I am moving forward.

I won't disclose exactly what

I'm sending anyway.

I can't screw it up.

I I didn't know you disclosed, I

thought.

I did for the first one.

For the first one.

And that's not what we sent him.

No, I messed it up.

All right, so let's see.

So we need you to send that

back, Bryce.

No, no, look at that.

It's just customer service and

people on this show.

We're going to send you what you

should have.

OK, it's looking like 10

comments.

Just give me a number one

through 10. 6.

I think you picked 6 last week

too.

No, I picked last week.

I picked 4/4.

There were 50.

Mr. Corey Davis.

Look at that, he loves me.

I picked 6.

Hot Ticket podcast formerly, I

think, I don't know if they're

still doing it, but Corey Davis,

congratulations, you won AT

shirt and he's got an idea for a

Christmas shirt as well, but

it's Palma Rose Santa, which is

kind of what we thought.

And the rule Does he have to

reach out to you or do we just

send it?

Yeah, reach out to me at

info@chapterpod.com.

Bing Dong.

All right.

Bing bong.

Greg's got, Greg's going to come

on.

Also, before we move into cigar

news, Greg's going to come on

and talk about his adventures in

Esta Lee, so Palmer's going to

interview him as well.

So I say all that to simply say

that Greg has like some new SB

CS and I haven't had them yet,

so I'd like him to just give me

one now.

If so, I can smoke it.

That would be fantastic.

Yes.

He likes if you throw over his

head and.

Wave has to no, they're on solo,

do not throw them.

Oh, there's Greg.

Oh.

There's Greg's hand.

He doesn't.

He doesn't need.

One why?

Why are you getting 2?

Why is?

That what is this?

Is this?

There's two versions. 2 for

Mikey.

Oh, I see this.

Well then things look like

Mikey.

Cigars.

A cigar.

Oh.

One of them looks kind of

rugged.

Oh.

Rugged can.

You see that?

No.

Shine on that.

Perfect.

No band.

There it is.

All right, OK.

All right, now with the trending

news.

Ex NFL star Doug Martin

identified as suspect who died

in Oakland police custody.

I can't believe that man.

This is a sad story.

That guy's a stud.

Yeah.

I, we, that was one of the first

times we were season ticket

holders.

We saw Doug Martin.

Oh, keep going.

Sorry.

Oakland, CA Former Tampa Bay

Buccaneer and Oakland Raiders

star running back Doug Martin

has been identified as a suspect

who died in the Oakland Police

Department custody on Saturday

after suffering an unspecified

medical emergency.

Sources confirmed to KTVU on

Sunday evening that Martin, 36,

died in a hospital after he

became unresponsive following

his arrest by OPD officers who

were responding to reports of a

possible break in.

Officers were called about 4:15

AM on Saturday to the home to a

home in the 11,000 block of

Ettrick St. on reports of a

break in.

At the same time, the department

received reports of a person

experiencing a medical emergency

at the same location, the OPD

told KTVU.

The department said officers

found the suspect, later

identified as Martin, inside

whoever.

When they tried to detain him,

he allegedly briefly resisted.

OPD officers managed to take him

into custody, where he became

unresponsive and was taken by

paramedics to a hospital.

The OPD did not specify why

Martin had been taken into

custody.

The nature of Martin's medical

emergency was not known, and the

OPD said it's Homicide Section

and Internal Affairs Bureau, as

well as the Oakland City Police

Commission, the Community Police

Review Agency and the Alameda

County District Attorney's

Office will be conducting an

investigation into his death.

The officers who were involved

in the arrest leading up to the

death were placed on paid

administrative leave.

So he's a suspect.

He was found inside a home where

they were reports of a break in

an entry.

But we don't know the details.

Don't know the details?

We'll keep an eye on this story.

We'll follow as more information

becomes available.

That's a sad.

That's a that's sad, regardless

if he's suspect or not.

Yeah, he's so young, man.

Had he?

Obviously he's not playing

anymore.

No.

Had he fallen on hard time?

Why is he not playing?

Let's start there.

Just older. 36.

Yeah, running back, I mean.

Yeah, and he was definitely in

the age of where running backs

were only like, you know, 3-4

years.

They were cycling through pretty

heavily.

I think that we still have that.

You still cycle through them

pretty heavily.

I mean, Christian McCaffrey is

like the one anomaly.

Well, Josh Jacobs.

Who?

Josh Jacobs.

Yeah, what has he done?

He's a good running back, but

he's been around for a while.

Has he had 100 run or rushing

yards that all this season?

I'm not sure, I don't know

exactly he's.

Apparently.

Old Mike?

Exactly.

That's kind of my point.

Right.

I mean.

Derek Henry's old.

Yeah, he's on the struggle bus

all season.

Right now, yeah.

It'd be nice if he turned.

Up it'd.

Be nice if he turned it on, OK?

For those of us who drafted him,

right?

Yeah.

Man, I don't know.

This is it.

It's this seems like there's a

lot of questions, like nothing

has really come out.

And reports have been falling on

hard times, drug problems, I

mean, I mean.

The sad part is that with like

NFL lot of NFL players, a lot of

them go broke.

I don't know if that's the case

with him, but it could have

been.

It's very possible.

You know, it's sad.

You don't you don't want to see

that happen to anybody.

And like, that was one of the

first guys that we got to see

The Bucks used to do like rookie

training camp and stuff.

And it was it was more intimate

than what it is now.

And that's kind of why I'm kind

of done with it.

But we got to go out, go on the

field, and there's probably like

50 or 60 of us.

And there were there, there were

players doing drills and stuff.

And Doug Barton was one of them.

And he was as close to me as you

and as we.

Yeah, it was, it was incredible.

Great experience for the kids.

And kind of sucks to hear that

you know he's gone because he's

so young.

Yeah, 36.

He's young, yeah.

Was that the year when Cadillac

was there?

No, I don't think Cadillac was

there.

Anymore the car?

No, those have been around for a

long.

Time.

No, it was gone.

Car was.

The car was not there.

No, the Cadillac's been around

for a.

Long time.

I'm sure there's plenty of

Cadillacs in the in the parking

lot.

Why are you saying that?

It's an expensive car.

It's like, it's like black

racist territory over.

There all right don't try to

don't try to veer it off on me

he.

Was getting close there.

Yeah.

All right, moving on.

Snapchat, Ring, Roblox, Fortnite

and more go down in a huge

Amazon Internet outage.

It just happened this morning.

Many of the world's biggest apps

and websites have suddenly

stopped working properly.

Snapchat, Roblox, Fortnite,

Duolingo and Canva were all

suffering problems, according to

the tracking down tracking

website Down Detector.

Even Duolingo.

Even Canva.

I used Canva this morning.

Me espanol yes is a problema si

bueno no.

Bueno, that's all you said.

Bueno.

I only got.

I only got the lesson 1.

Yeah, I used Duolingo.

The issue began around 8:00 AM

in the UK or on Oh, it's just in

the UK or midnight Pacific Time.

The problem?

You legitimately do not read

these articles.

No, I don't read these.

No, it's more fun.

They're not just pronunciation

to write and everything.

Is it the berating afterwards?

Is is it fun?

Oh, nobody says anything to me,

but it's fun to watch the

eclipse.

When you realize that the

shutdown is in the UK and not in

the US.

There was one last week where it

was happened in the UK, not in

the UK.

Since it's only in the UK, you

should have to use AUK accent.

The problems appear to be

related, it would appear, to the

related to an issue on Amazon

Web Services, which offers

infrastructure that underpines

much of the modern Internet.

BBC here we come.

The company was seeing increase

error rates and delays with

multiple AWS services, it said

of a service status page.

Amazon Web Service provides a

host of Internet infrastructure

services that allow companies to

hire computers and servers to

run their apps and websites.

As such, any problem at AWS can

quickly affect much of the rest

of the Internet, bringing down

websites that might have no

apparent connection to Amazon to

self is now the most popular

provider of such cloud services

in the world.

It's it maybe it maybe is it

maybe can't it maybe 108 billion

last year and now accounts for

the majority of Amazon's

profits.

Amazon Web Services says it's

still looking for the cause of

the problems.

The outage has now been going on

for more than 90 minutes, as as

of this morning, Amazon has

posted a range of updates to its

status pages, but they made

clear that it's still not

entirely clear what the problem

is.

Engineers were immediately

engaged and are actively working

on both mitigating issues and

fully understanding the root

cause, the latest update reads.

OK, So what is the one site or

app that if it went down you

would absolutely lose your mind?

I don't know, I'd lose my mind

but the wouldn't be the biggest

problem would be Facebook I

would imagine.

You would lose if your Facebook

Wouldn't lose my mind.

I could see you losing your.

It would be distracting or

something distraught or

something, I don't know.

You would be stressed out.

That's not the right word.

Would you be able to

disappointed?

I'd be disappointed.

Be disappointed.

Yeah.

Why it's the one I use the?

Most the one you you talk to

your people.

But as far as work related it

would be Canva, YouTube.

Yeah, ChatGPT.

So personally though, so

personally, if I catch you on

Facebook when you're supposed to

be working, you're just screwing

around.

No, because I represent all of

our stuff on Facebook also.

Interesting.

So there's the the shop, the

brand.

So we've mingled business and

pleasure is what you're saying?

Certainly.

Can't help but they're all on

the same thing.

So Facebook goes down.

You're not happy.

I'm not happy.

Yeah, I'm not panicking or

anything.

Like the world is over.

Yeah, right, Boots, I would not

twitch.

You OK with?

That what's the one app or site

that if it went down you would

be stressed out.

Only fans for him.

Well, if I'm if I'm streaming

stuff, YouTube TV.

YouTube.

Yeah, yeah.

Especially if it's like FSU

game.

No, like when they throw when

they run in a touchdown and it

doesn't get called as a

touchdown.

Yeah, yeah, we were upheld it.

I I mean dude, that was

bullshit.

Like there was this one time

actually on YouTube TV that the

right now, you know, the

baseball's going on for the

playoffs.

There was a game that it kept,

like, fluttering out.

Yeah, I was losing my shit.

OK, so if YouTube TV goes down,

what do you do?

Look for another.

No.

Look for another way.

OK, what's the what's?

The What's Plan B?

Tell me the Plan B.

Download NBA app, The MOB app,

Yeah.

Are sports not on regular TV

anymore?

Can y'all like go to ABC and

watch?

The rabbit or that shit.

I think there's a antenna that

you can do on your TV still.

There, Yeah, you see it on

online all the time.

Thing you plug in, all of a

sudden you get 750 channels from

around the world.

Yeah, but I don't know if any of

those are sports things.

So I don't.

So to really mess up boots

today, all I got to do is just

kind of stroll in on a Sunday,

go to the backyard and just cut

the wire.

There you go.

Stress him out.

Oh my God, he'll just.

He'll well, first he'll go to

his phone.

He'll just watch it on his

phone.

That's.

True.

Yeah, immediately.

Yeah, he'll adapt quickly, yes.

OK.

Does anybody have regular TV,

you mean?

I mean, anybody in this room?

Does anybody have cable?

Does that even exist now?

I mean it's.

Still a thing.

I, I think that we've all kind

of gradually moved away from it,

moved to, I honestly think that

what the cable companies have

done too is they've raised their

prices to get you off of it.

Yeah, my mom still has cable

just because she can't figure

out streaming.

It's just easier.

But yeah, it's way expensive,

Yeah.

Well, the cable companies

probably like it better if the

whole like they have a deal with

like a whole subdivision or you

know, like the old people's 55

plus communities and stuff.

Yeah, they probably like those

deals better where it's

mandatory.

Yeah, they keep them on.

Table.

They're going to charge you $25.

But they probably don't like

sprinkling, you know, inside of

a city.

Yeah, You know, they can't be

bothered, right?

Is this once?

A month?

Which one is the one on the?

Left Yeah, they they're.

Both have some.

Option, but this one is

semantra.

One of them have a semantra.

That one's darker.

OK.

All right.

Carrying on next.

China claims the NSA hacked

their national time system.

That's.

Probably.

That's how we get them.

We mess up the clocks.

Now they're all flashing and

they don't know how to set them

up.

All flashing.

China on Sunday accused the US

National Security Agency NSA of

carrying out a premeditated

cyber attack targeting the

National Time Service Center.

Like that's you know what?

We'll go after the clocks as it

describes the US and the hacker

empire.

Oh, I know it describes this as

hacker empire.

I thought they were hacker.

Love that and the greatest

source of chaos in cyberspace.

Well, it depends on the

propaganda that you believe, you

know what I mean?

The Ministry of State Security,

the MSS in a WeChat post because

they're not allowed anything but

WeChat, and refutable evidence

of the agency's involvement in

the intrusion that dated back to

March 2022.

It took him three years to

figure this out.

Three years later.

Three years later, China just

figured out we messed up their

clocks three years ago.

Three years later, well, we had

to come back from the COVID

stuff, you know, we had to do

something, screw up their time,

the.

Clock was away.

The attack was ultimately

foiled, it added.

We got them established in OH in

1966 under the jurisdiction of

the Chinese Academy of Science.

NTSC is responsible for

generating, maintaining and

transmitting the National

Standard of Time or Beijing

Time.

Any cyber tech damaging these

facilities would jeopardize and

secure the stable operation of

Beijing's time, triggering

severe consequences such as

network communication failures,

financial system distributions,

power supply interruptions,

transportation paralysis and

space launch failures, and

everyone would be late, the MSSA

said.

No one would be on time.

This operation thwarted US

attempts to steal secrets and

conduct sabotage through cyber

attacks, fully safeguarding the

security of Beijing time.

According to the details shared

in the WeChat post, the NSA is

said to have exploited security

flaws and an unnamed foreign

brand SMS service to stealthily

compromise mobile devices

belonging to several staff

members at NTSC, resulting in

the theft of sensitive data.

It did not disclose the nature

of the vulnerabilities used to

conduct the attack on April

18th.

The following year, the MSS

claimed that the agency

repeatedly used the stolen log

on credentials to break into the

computers at the center to probe

the infrastructure, followed by

deploying a new cyber warfare

platform.

So they didn't change the

passwords a year later and we

got back in again.

No update.

And so you're saying that when

Apple tells me to update my

password, I should probably be

updating that?

Or it could be the Chinese

trying to mess up your Glock.

Between August 2023 and June

2024, the platform activated

what described as 42 specialized

tools to mount high intensity

attacks aimed at multiple

internal network systems of

NTSC.

All right.

The attacks also involved

attempts to conduct the.

Battle out of this.

I kind of get to the end.

We're almost done, OK.

We get it now, and this is

sabotaged.

This interests Palmer.

Yeah, I mean who?

Very excited that everything

that we could do and we went for

the clock.

You got to know when to cut it,

unless you got some joke at the

end.

You got.

It Europe and Asia were messed

up too.

We know what time it is.

We don't know the time no more.

Who mess up our time?

Mess up our time for the last

time everyone chain password no

more password 1/2.

Oh this is great.

I, I heart China want to make.

Password 3/4.

Make password 3/4.

Manager said China's National

Security Agency neutralized I'm

trying to get the attack and

inflated additional security

measures so now there's 2 they.

2 Passwords 2.

Passwords.

This is just like.

You must log into your YouTube.

You must scan the scan the ball

and see what you do.

Who did that?

Who messed with our time?

Oh, it was the NSA.

Oh, American.

Yeah.

It was, it was probably some guy

in the office, you know,

probably didn't do his job,

screwed up.

And then, you know, blame the

Americans.

Stupid Americans.

Stupid.

Totally.

That's what I would do.

It's.

Probably a 12 year old.

A. 12 year old in America that

works for the NSA.

No, it's a 12 year old in China.

Yeah, keep up with the jokes.

Yeah, come on, fella.

Oh, I was reading until I get

passed again.

So your ears are closed.

This is just like an episode of

Bad Friends.

You've.

Do you watch the podcast Bad

Friends?

No, you have to watch this

podcast.

Yeah, Yeah, it's great.

Bobby Lee's in it.

And the redhead?

The comedian.

Oh, that's what.

I think I've seen clips.

It's hilarious.

OK, NFL Week 7 in 2 minutes.

OK, let's see it the big.

Story And perhaps the wildest

game of the week.

The Denver Broncos pulled off a

stunning comeback to defeat the

New York Giants 33 to 32 after

it was wild trailing by 19

points in the fourth quarter.

Any names?

High reports in two Big Blue.

What is this one about?

Giants had jumped out to 19 and

O lead.

No, no names.

Apparently.

I didn't ask you for no names

though. 19 to 0 lead and look

comfortable in the late third

quarter.

But the Broncos roared back,

capped by a game-winning 39 yard

field goal as time expired.

Let's see, Quarterback Bo Nicks

sparked the comeback and a key

pass interference penalty helped

set the stage.

Mile High.

Let's see.

This game underscored how the

NFL no lead to safe momentum can

flip in the fourth quarter in

dramatic fashion.

Look at.

You pronounce that improperly.

He's a bad coach.

Bo Nicks, how can I mess that

up?

Yeah.

Giants are a mess.

Boo Boo are.

They yes, I mean, Denver's a

really good team.

OK.

And I think Jackson Darts doing

a really good job.

I'm not disagreeing with that.

They the guy that left them,

Saquon Barkley, got a

championship.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Of course, Yeah, if we go that

far back.

That far back two years ago.

Yeah, two years ago, that was a

horrible.

Let's talk about the one that we

cut this year, Daniel Jones,

who's arguably up for MVP.

I don't know man.

So look, I like Jackson Dart.

I think he's got some swag which

is entertaining.

Same with Scataboo, they're fun

to watch.

Scataboo's great.

They're fun to watch, however, I

don't think that they're going

to be able to sustain playing at

the level that they're going to

play at.

Let's just say this, let's say

it.

I think they've already won one

more game than they did last

year, so they're improving.

Let's just say this.

That's not saying much.

I I get what you said, but

that's an improvement.

You need to revamp the coaching

staff's got to go, G Ms. Got to.

I'm firing everybody.

You know what?

I'm just selling the team.

I'm like, do you know what?

This isn't worth it.

I think, I think that owner just

died like a couple years ago.

Didn't It's time to move on.

You obviously can't get it

together.

Meanwhile, the owner of

Indianapolis, she's got

headphones on, she's down on the

field, like that's the way to do

it.

Any given Sunday.

That's the way.

She's just taking a clip from

that.

You got to watch the place, you

got to know what's going on and

want to know where your money's

going.

I like that.

That's how you should run a

business, right?

We're moving on.

That's what Greg does.

What else you got for Week 7?

Kansas City Chiefs remind

everyone of their Dominus by

routing the Las Vegas Raiders 31

to 0.

Not impressive.

Patrick Mahomes at the helm and

the receiving corpse healthy.

The Chiefs look like themselves

again.

Meanwhile, Los Angeles Rans

dubbed the Jacksonville Jaguars

in London 35 to 7 thanks to A4

touchdown day from Matthew

Stafford.

I thought he had five.

He had four.

And three TDs by Devante Adams

are That's the guy Adams.

Had three.

Are they on the same team?

Who else had some?

Matthew Bigby.

Yeah, I thought he had five.

No, he had one.

More it was like the no name

Puka Nakua.

Yeah, good job.

Thank you.

Look at you.

He's out.

Right there, he was out, but his

name's mentioned.

I was making sure I got there

right.

See the Philadelphia Eagles edge

the Minnesota Vikings 28 to 22,

The quarterback Jalen Hurts

throwing for 326 yards and three

touchdowns.

I must say that name.

Right.

You just never know.

A Philly.

The Vikings simply couldn't

capitalize in the red zone

despite multiple trips inside.

On the injury front, the New

York Jets fell 13 to 6 to the

Carolina Panthers came away with

multiple key injuries and

persistent offensive issues.

If you're a Jets fan, I am so

sorry.

I don't, you know, it's not even

fun anymore.

So to see you guys lose all.

Don't they lose all the time?

They haven't won a game yet.

Were they O16 or O17 at this

point?

I have the O 1/6.

They're O 16.

I mean terrible.

Absolutely have Gary Vee buy

that shit already.

I mean enough is enough like

take that over.

I know that's one of his dreams.

So just clean house hold?

On Greg.

Greg, you're about to be on.

We'll Be.

Right back.

OK, Greg, we'll be right back.

We'll.

Be right back.

We'll be right back.

Oh look, he's back.

That was it.

You guys done talking about

sports?

Is there anything else covering?

On this on The Jets.

One that's the latest in sports

and what's trending around the

world.

Now let's shift gears from

headlines to the humidor and see

what's burning in cigar news.

Now a special interview with

Greg Stefan Kevich from PO Chick

Cigars on his latest trip to

Esta Lee.

Oh.

With Skip Martin.

Well, welcome, Greg.

Hi, Mike Palmer.

Nice to have you on the show

again, been a long time.

Yeah, I don't know when was the

last time I was on the show.

It's either one of two things.

It was the birthday episode

where I squirted everybody with

water guns and he almost killed

me.

Oh, I remember that.

Or the one where we interviewed

Island gym and he was on for

about 5 minutes and then left

the.

Room, yes, that was a disaster,

but yeah.

So how long were you there?

How long were you in Esta Lee?

A week.

Seven days.

And you stayed with the lovely

Skip Martin.

I did, yes.

We drove down to San Juan del

Sur where I got to see Skip's

house for the first time.

Got a tour?

Oh, the mountain.

Got a tour of his home, saw his

solar powered batteries and all

that great stuff.

It was.

That was a cool part for sure.

Very, very relaxing.

Did you feed the monkeys?

There were no monkeys that were

seen, but Skip did say that

there were monkeys.

But the dog, did you see?

He busted all.

The dog.

Good dog.

Very, very needy dog.

Did you spend the night at

Skip's house?

I did, and then the next day we

drove out to Esta Lee.

Well, let's back up a little

bit.

How was the guest room, the

guest room?

Was it a nice guest room?

It was a good.

Guest room, yes.

Yeah, the bed was quite

comfortable.

Is the house air conditioned?

Yes, it is, but there are

portions of it that's very open

air.

That's not necessary to have the

AC running all the time, but.

The bedrooms have AC into the

food was good food was good.

Did.

Oh no, Jeff Mutay's over here,

so he didn't show up with any

whores or anything.

No, Jeff didn't show up.

We drove through his

neighborhood.

I didn't get to see his house.

Jeff.

Mutay's neighborhood.

Yeah, he has a neighborhood.

He owns his own neighborhood.

The whole neighborhood is his.

Are there women on the corners?

It is the neighborhood in which

his house is in.

His cigar's doing great.

Oh, OK, so you fly in, you go to

Skip's house, you have dinner,

you stay up all night long.

Did you go?

Oh, did you go swimming?

Went swimming immediately with.

Clothes on.

Megan no skinny dipping bathing

suit inside 5.

Minutes so skinny dipping.

No skinny dipping.

Come on Greg, this is a real

interview.

Nobody listens to this shit like

RAW tells the truth.

Nobody watches.

At all we we ate dinner inside

Jeff's neighborhood, actually.

Oh, it was a restaurant.

Oh, a restaurant?

Yeah, it's a restaurant inside

Jeff's.

Neighborhood.

He has a restaurant.

Is it named after him?

Don't think so.

Mutais tacos and tequila or

something.

No, definitely in Pool.

In Pool.

All right, so you wake up the

next morning.

Did Skip ever cook for you?

He's an excellent cook.

He is an excellent cook.

He did not cook for me this time

around.

I think last time I was there he

did cook.

Any of it.

None of it.

So what'd you do for breakfast

the next day?

Arlen made eggs.

It was.

Oh, Arlen cooked.

Yeah, it's just as good.

Yeah, well, Skip's a pretty good

cook though too.

Well, yeah, but I know still.

Separate rooms.

Big spoon.

Oh, you and Skip in one room,

Arlen and the other, That kind

of separate room.

Oh, Ireland.

Ireland.

Was Arlen was in the same room

with you guys?

That's a whole another show.

Totally different room.

I know.

All right, So then you got to

drive down to the.

Drive up.

Yeah, it's a oh you.

Drive it whatever it is.

Oh, so it's north of where?

Yeah, it took forever.

It was like a 6 1/2 hour car

ride.

Did he drive?

Skip did drive.

How many cigars did you smoke on

the way there?

Wait six hours. 6 1/2, Yeah.

Oh my Lord.

Yeah, it's it was far.

It's.

Like driving to Kansas.

Almost.

It's not really Kansas.

It's not, you're right, it's not

that it's far, it's the the the

amount of time that it takes.

The new speed limit too, did

you?

Yeah, we, we're within

parameters of law.

Yeah, we, we didn't break any

rules.

But it's just that there's a lot

of crappy vehicles on the road

and, you know, the occasional

stop by the police and.

That was the next question.

Any any briberies that we had

to.

Bribery.

We were stopped on the way back

though.

Cavity search, No cavity search,

no cavity.

Search.

Wait, you're jumping ahead now

you're at the end of the story.

We would like this to go.

So no, no, no police on the way.

No police on the way there.

Yeah, no.

Police run away there.

What kind of car does Skip drive

there do?

Is it?

So he's got a pick up, but he's

also got a really cool scout in

front of his house, which is

like a are you familiar with it?

Like an Indian scout.

No, not like an Indian scout.

No, like a.

Oh, a vehicle.

That's a Chevy, no?

It's a Ford.

No, I can't recall.

It's a Jeep I think isn't.

It no, I'll have to look it up.

Super cool truck though.

It's a class.

Michael, you like to yell at any

brand names we haven't covered.

Toyota.

Toyota Scout I.

Don't think it's a Toyota.

No international that would.

That sounds good.

Could be an international.

Excellent job, Michael.

Oh, it's an international scout.

Nice.

All right, six hours down to the

factory, of course.

Oh, the fancy dinner was last

night.

So you didn't get to go to the

fancy dinner.

OK, so you get to the factory.

What are you doing there?

What what was the reason for the

trip other than spooning with

Skip at his house on the?

Mountain of the monkeys.

Full of reasons, right?

We were.

We were going to attempt to do a

new project, but that didn't

happen.

Instead, Skip suggested US doing

our version of the catador

right, so we are going.

To version of the what?

I'm sorry.

The Catador.

Catador.

Right.

So we are going to have a 5 by

60 made in all of our 4 core

blends and put it into a

sampler, Yes.

Nice.

That that we're very excited

about.

It should be very, very cool.

When is that estimated for

completion?

So the blends were worked on

while I was there, tasted, they

seem like they're gonna work

out.

Don't know if they're gonna need

to be tweaked or not, but

hopefully sometime in the

beginning of next year it will

come in with our next shipment.

Oh wow, it'll be in like

January, February.

Correct.

And within our next shipment

will also be our Sumatra.

The catastrophic failure.

Coraline.

Correct.

Yeah.

And what color is the be for

that one?

The P.

The P will be silver for that

one, yes.

So it will not say CF, it'll

just be AP.

Yeah, no, it won't have anything

to do with the word catastrophic

failure.

It will just be Postana Sumatra.

Be on the lookout for that.

Yeah, in odd sizes, sizes that

we've never done before.

Oh really?

Like what?

Well, my favorite.

First of all, they're all box

pressed.

OK.

My favorite is the 7 by 48 which

is Churchill essentially and

then the other sizes are are. 7

by 48, Is that kind of like the

cigar you used to smoke?

It is exactly like the cigar

that I used to smoke, correct,

That they don't make any more, 6

1/4 by 54, five and a half by 52

and then four and three quarter

by 50.

So all different sizes than

we've actually really done

before.

But 5, did you ring it up 5 or

444 different Vitalis, yeah.

Nice.

So what else?

What else did you work on?

Messed around with the new SBC

which you're smoking and Mikey

smoked one or started to smoke

one of.

There's basically two different

versions.

The wrappers on them are

identical, the fillers are

identical.

There's a difference in binder

in between the two.

Is it AI mean it's darker?

I'm saying it doesn't look like

a Barber pole this time.

It is a Barber pole.

It is so we took Sumatra.

Oh, there it is.

You can see when you turn it.

And San Andreas so two things

from my opinion, our two best

blend so far, which is the essay

in the Sumatra.

So originally your blend is for

this is the SBC, right?

OK.

Originally that is not your

blend of those two that you just

said?

What do you mean?

What is the original blend of

the SBC?

The SBC changes every time it

comes out OK.

We keep the size, we change the

blend.

So you're saying you took the

two of the best ones?

I took the two wrappers from my

two favorite from our lines.

Got it.

Yeah, San Andreas and Sumatra.

What is the other one?

The other one?

The same thing I know you said,

but I wasn't.

Listening, it's OK.

Same rappers, same entrails,

just a different binder.

Different binder.

I gotcha, OK.

So what I really wanted you to

do is I wanted you to smoke both

of them at the same time and

kind of make a decision which

one you liked better out of the

two.

Oh.

In in your opinion, Greg, would

you change or I'm sorry, in your

opinion, how much of the taste

is made-up from the binder?

Is there any taste?

So I think that you should

actually smoke both of those

cigars side by side, and you

tell me the difference because I

know for a fact that it changes

the cigar without a doubt.

So it probably makes up a good

portion.

Well, all of it makes up a good

portion, but like, so there are

ingredients in our cigars that

there's only one variant leaf

from Roma craft stuff and it

tastes totally different.

It still tastes like the

factory, but it it, it's

definitely drastically different

than their Maduro, right or

their Havana.

Right.

No good.

You're lighting them.

Yeah, well, you did.

You said that.

Sure, I'm gonna light them.

The other way, yeah, that's

that's.

That's So what else were you

working on?

There was some rumors of maybe a

packaging change.

Yes, yeah, there were packaging

changes that happened as well.

Everything's going to be more

uniform as far as not only

placement of cliches, but

description of products too.

We're going to add the actual

name of the vitola on top of the

size.

We have a new brand for the

Sumatra that's going to go on

top of the box.

We've got the Postagna P that's

going on SA and Habano, the war

chicken that goes on the

Connecticut, and we have an

Insignia that's sort of made-up

from the Winged Hussars.

Are you familiar with these

dudes?

The Winged Hussars?

Is that the guy we made the

first sticker of?

We did make a sticker of it,

correct?

The knight in shining armor with

the wings, correct.

Yep, the Polish cavalry, yeah.

What is Skip calling that one?

I mean, we have the war chicken,

we have the war bear.

Is he the war?

Knights of the War Chicken.

The Knights of the War War.

Warrior.

Yeah, no, yeah.

I don't think he gave a name to

it yet, but I'm I'm sure it'll

be.

Something fun.

Quite the difference in the two

cigars.

And the only thing that's

changing is the binder.

I mean I just lit it, but the

first puff is quite different.

So it's wow, what a snore that

was.

Is he asleep?

Yeah, he's asleep.

That is amazing.

He's snoring over there.

That is no reflection on the

interview at all.

Greg, you're doing a wonderful

job.

There I was.

Sleeping over there while he was

talking too so.

Yeah, the the the one in my

left.

Hand.

That's funny.

Oh yeah, they will.

The one in my left hand was

definitely more peppery.

OK, Yeah, Nope.

Yep.

Which But it was a good pepper.

It wasn't a bad pepper.

Neither one of them are a bad

cigar.

No, yeah.

Both of them are very, very

good.

The one in my right hand is.

Tastes very hot.

Less pepper.

The one on the left.

No, the right.

The one on the right.

Very.

I mean it's got like a hot, not

like pepper, like it feels hot,

like it's spicy.

Yes.

Let's go back to sleep over

there, Mike.

We.

Need to put a mic on my brother

over there so that and when he

wakes up out of his dream he can

he.

Can just yell, man, yell things

from the side, from the side.

So, Greg, tell us about the

factory.

Right.

So it's it's been a while since

I've been there.

How long exactly?

Oh God, it must have been four

years.

Really.

Yeah, it was.

It was pre COVID so maybe even

more.

Did did you see the picture of

Mikey and I?

I did very strategically placed

inside the humidor at

Nicosuenyo.

It was perfect, yeah, and Skip

said.

But it took him a while before

he discovered that it was there.

Oh, yeah.

So it was.

It was, it was.

And it's still there.

And he left it he.

Left it so he must like it.

Nicosuni has grown a lot since

the last time it was there.

I think there's something like

70 employees now.

Well, this would be a new, this

would be the new building, so.

Right.

Yes, I did get to see the pre

industry operation as well.

The bodega, Yeah, the bodega,

there are three bays.

There's pilons in there of

tobacco that's just aging

sorting area.

It's quite impressive to see how

far Nicos Oneo has gone over the

years, without a doubt.

Oh, it's probably neat then to

have been so long since you saw

it, because it would be

tremendous growth and changes in

four years.

Sure.

Yeah, it just makes sense,

right?

If you're doing business

correctly, you should be

growing.

And Alex, Alex was doing, is

doing a really, really good job

finding tobacco.

He was doing.

Well, I, I say was or is because

he's unfortunately leaving, Yes.

He's not going to be with

Nicoswenyo after the turn of the

year.

Oh really?

He's going to go.

Off he's coming into Chapter Pod

and he's going to help make

T-shirts.

Perfect.

He's he's going to do his own

thing.

He's going to wind up sourcing

tobacco underneath his own

company.

So that'll that'll be his new

gig.

Is there a replacement or is

that the replacement?

Well, I mean.

Good question Boots 'cause I was

wondering who are they going to

bring him on as a contracted?

Employee So that's the idea,

right?

He'll he'll be able to still

perform his job, but it won't be

a job.

It'll be as an independent

contractor, right.

And then I don't know if there

will be other opportunities for

other people to also source

tobacco for Nick Asueno, I'm

sure, but it's not easy.

I mean, he runs around like

crazy on top of going to, you

know, Mexico, the Dominican,

just to find tobacco, just the,

the day-to-day.

Function he has to have good

knowledge too.

Yeah, he's a pretty smart dude.

Keen eye.

Pretty smart dude.

I, I was impressed by a lot that

he said and, and showed me for

sure.

It's kind of kind of, it's a

little sad that he's not going

to stay part of the family, but

we'll be, you know, an outside

part of the family.

Yeah, like a cousin.

Yeah, more like a more like a

third cousin, I think than a.

Cousin, any talk of bringing

anybody else on to replace him

because I'm sure he did other

stuff besides sourced tobacco.

Like it happened while I was

there, right?

Like so like there, there was a

night that I was there and there

was a discussion that was had

and then afterwards I'm like,

oh, OK, so.

You were there for the

awkwardness.

I was there for a little bit.

The awkwardness.

Well, if I was Alex, I would

want to witness when I give the

bad news too.

Well, yeah, exactly.

That's exactly what he used.

Jazz.

He's like, he will kill me here.

We don't know.

Alex just left one day.

I don't know what happened.

So yeah, the the, the, the, the.

The allegedly.

Allegedly.

Allegedly he was here, then he

wasn't.

He just starts going.

Alex who?

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, that that dynamic will

be changing in the future.

Man, lightweight, heavy.

Frenchy, Alex.

So to.

No, I know.

I'm just saying just guys.

That we know the list of rogues

characters that have coming

down.

That's the natural progression

of any business, you know what I

mean?

There, there.

There's always change in in, in

people.

And process, I mean, you think

about the number of people that

have gone through the shop

upstairs.

Yeah, I mean, there's been so

many that have gone through

people ask me about.

Do you remember this one?

No, no, I don't remember.

Yeah, there's some time a name

comes up and I'm like, no idea,

I don't know that one.

Couldn't even imagine you guys.

When people ask me about people

I'm like I've only been here for

like 6-7 years that's I can't

even remember some of them.

Speaking of that, did I see one

of your old employees that you

fired back?

You did.

I did.

What was that cat's name?

Randall.

Rand, Randy.

Well, they called him.

Well, they called.

Him.

I remember him.

Yes, Randy, how many times did

you fire him?

Three times.

Right, but he's back now.

Yeah, I I need.

I've got some grunt work that I.

Need a hole dug basically.

Yeah, well, I need the the unit

cleaned up.

That's why I got them doing.

Got it.

OK.

So what else is coming?

I mean, so we've got a new

Sumatra.

New Sumatra.

We got a new SBC.

When is the SBC going to?

SBC may ship in that same

timeline with the Sumatra and

potentially with the category.

We don't know.

Because normally we do these

every two years, I believe.

Yes, but it's always fucked up.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, the 24 came out in

25.

But hopefully this time around

26 can actually be for 26.

Oh then when we skip and go to

28.

Yeah, that would be the next

time we we'll.

Just catch up we.

We yeah, that would be the next

time that's.

An excellent idea.

OK, did you work on a new war

Baron too while you were?

There so did that as well I've

got that sample here for you

guys to try 20 nice sticking

with like the this is the tour

of Greg.

It's a 7 by 48 box press, so

that'll be our new size for.

Everything is coming out in Greg

sizes.

Everything's coming out in in

Greg sizes for sure.

It's a.

It's a great size though.

I think so.

It's it's his favorite, so.

It's it, believe it or not,

Churchill, it really isn't a a

big seller.

Really.

Yeah, when you compare to the

other vitola, sure.

Because so the old cigar used to

smoke was the Arcanosa,

Connecticut.

Yeah, it was a great cigar.

Great cigar.

Yeah, they they stopped making

that size because, well, it, it

just didn't sell.

That's crazy.

Yeah, it was a good cigar.

Other new stuff that we've got

coming that had nothing to do

with this trip.

The warbearer, the warbearer of

mass destruction.

The WBMD will be complete,

hopefully inside about four

weeks.

Oh, you got all that worked out.

Packaging is almost excellent

squared away so.

Is this a separate warbearer?

So yeah, this is this grand

perfecto.

That's the the one we have.

That's this year's.

Oh, OK, got it.

And you're calling the warbearer

of mass destruction?

Yeah, it big nice.

Not a Not a Churchill.

No, no, not a church yet.

Gram Perfecto shaped like a

bomb.

Well, that's it's a lot of stuff

you packed into a week.

Yeah, sure.

So where did you stay in SLE?

Did you stay?

Does Skip stay at the apartment

that he used to have?

No.

No, no, no.

He stays at a hotel whenever he

goes.

We stayed at Los Arcos.

Gotcha.

One room.

No one shower.

I wanted to stay there so that

if it should get to be a late

night, I could just walk back to

the hotel.

It didn't matter.

It was just a late night every

night, as my brother says.

Why is it always 4:00 in the

morning?

Yeah.

It's skipped.

Just prepare for that.

Right.

Yeah.

So there were there were late

nights, early mornings.

Did Skip Skip doesn't show up

though first thing in the

morning no matter what time he

stays.

Up.

So with the exception of one

time he said that he wanted to

be present for a meeting with

Sancho to discuss placement and

creation of cliches.

And basically we're making all

new cliches.

And the meeting was for like

8:00, right?

So, or maybe it was 9, I can't

recall.

But I got up early.

Alex picked me up, Skip wasn't

there.

So.

We we we went down to cigar

rings.

We started the meeting and 15

minutes after the meeting

started, Skip shows up with a

bag of McDonald's in totes, sat

down and got to business.

I was very happy to see him.

Oh nice.

Wow, cause of the McDonald's.

Well, no, just because he made

it right, cause 'cause he made

the meeting, I hit a point where

I was like, he's not fucking

comin, so let's just go and get

this done.

And then he showed up.

Yeah, nice.

What was the most fun thing you

did when you were there?

Did you get?

Did you have any down time?

I mean you packed a lot into a

week so you may not have.

But I know they're really the

only down time was the first day

at Skip's house where I got to

float around in his pool and

talk about the problems with the

industry that would that was

that was pretty much.

The only thing Oh, did you solve

any of the problems in the?

Industry.

No, no, everything's fucked.

Maybe skip might have solved

some of the problems.

It's a very big problem in

California right now.

You guys should have tried to

solve.

Yeah.

So Skip actually had a really

interesting point about that.

Oh, OK.

It's actually a bigger problem.

So the big companies that will

wind up fulfilling and keeping

position in California are also

big companies that handle, you

know, direct to consumer as

well, because CI and CI and all

them, right?

So when it comes time for them

to say yes or no to some of

those smaller brands, it may be

a deciding factor if they are

allowed to sell in California,

if they're going to take them on

in their portfolio, right?

And if they already have things

that can be sold there less

likely would they be to take on

new brands as they come out

because if they can't facilitate

that market, why would they?

So really really crazy how it

could affect everything.

How?

Many CIS are in California.

Any idea?

It's not about that, it's about

their catalog.

Yeah, that's.

The catalog because they can't

ship to California.

Right.

Yeah, it has to be an approved.

Right, so that that creates.

Extra.

Logistic problems.

I'm going to say, if a warehouse

is in Kansas, somebody's got to

go.

No, that one.

We can't ship to that guy in

California.

Right.

Wow.

There's definitely going to be

some type of workaround though,

I guarantee it.

I mean, it doesn't look like

California's moving on their

stance at all.

There's definitely going to be

some type of workaround for the

little guys because the big guys

are just going to pay.

I mean, short of having a

facility that you can wind up

taking on product outside of the

state and then crossing the

border doing it illegally, I

don't see any other workaround.

That's what I'm saying I mean.

How would they know that CI,

let's say from Tampa, shipped

somebody in California, A

person?

I have no idea.

Yeah, they wouldn't.

There's no way.

No, there's no way to police

that.

I don't.

I don't think there's a way for

them to do it.

As of right now, no.

Right.

So that's what I'm saying.

It would, Yeah, it would.

There's definitely going to be

the work around there.

Because it's the US Mail, you

can't open somebody's packages.

Yeah.

All right, we're getting the the

wrap up sign.

So we we appreciate you coming

on.

Your time is up apparently.

Thank you for all the

information.

Thank you for the cigars.

That was like a Dave Chappelle

moment.

Wrap that shit up, B.

Wrap that shit up.

All right everybody, This has

been Greg Stefan Kevitch from

pushing cigars on his wonderful

trip to Esta Lee.

His third time.

His third trip.

No third show.

Oh, third show.

Much better than the first two.

Perfect, Greg.

All right.

We'll be right back.

All right.

That was Greg on his trip to

Nikki Ragua.

And we're back.

And we're back in on to the

cigar news.

By the way, The Jets are O and

seven and the coach just got

fired.

How did did you do that?

Since since we.

Started or something.

How did you do that dude?

I'm constantly working.

All the drill that was over

there, just hit your phone and.

Even when I'm napping.

All right, Tiburon, CA proves

first reading of ordinance

banning all tobacco sales, not

just flavored everything.

Shut it down.

On Thursday, October 16th, the

town council gave its initial

unanimous approval for a

proposed ordinance that would

ban the sale of all tobacco and

nicotine products in the city,

according to a report from KTVU.

It's a second time we've had

KTVU news.

The idea for the ban came from

high school students in the area

who said that vaping had become

a significant issue at their

school.

Mayor Holly Thier said that the

youth in Marion County, which

Tiburon is part of, vapor rate

twice that of the average in

California.

Like it's a vaping problem.

So then ban vaping ban.

Vaping.

I mean, I don't.

Nobody's lighting up a koopa

koopa in the bathroom, right?

Additionally, there are

currently no tobacco retailers

in the town.

Oh, so it's not a problem

anyway.

It doesn't mean it should have

happened.

No, no, which is located

approximately 15 miles north of

San Francisco.

Do you want to say something?

If you are going.

The ordinance must still go

through a second reading and a

vote in November, and if

approved at the time, it would

go into effect in December.

If it goes into effect, Tiburon

would join Beverly Hills and

Manhattan Beach and completely

banning the sale of tobacco

products.

Weed, no problem.

Beverly Hills.

Marijuana.

Lots of marijuana.

Marijuana for days.

You can have it right and the.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry, isn't there a very

prolific cigar shop in Beverly

Hills?

I don't know where I have the

next sentence is in the case of

Beverly Hills.

Let's read on.

In the case of Beverly Hills,

however, sales at cigar lounges

remain legal.

The town of Ross, also in Marion

County, is scheduled to take up

a similar proposal next month,

while Belvedere and Court Madre

are reportedly looking at

similar options.

Tiburon is home to approximately

9000 residents.

Who's going to regulate it?

They're going to hire somebody.

They're.

Going to hire?

Somebody hire a guy.

Yeah, probably somebody from

like.

Kaiko Police.

The tobacco police.

Yes, like on Yellowstone, they

have the Cattlemen's

Association, they'll have the

tobacco men's.

Association Tobacco Police.

You get a badge.

Yes, they get a badge and.

You can do whatever.

You want when you're the most

powerful family, people come and

try to kill you, so you have

guns and badges, right?

I couldn't see like the tobacco

police being like masculine

people.

Being as cool as the Cattlemen's

Association.

Yeah, they're not as cool as the

cattlemen people.

What do they look like?

Tell me.

I think that they're sub 200 lbs

AKA victim weight.

Victim weight, what we call

that.

Victim weight.

Very thin.

Dressed in black and white.

No multicolor.

Multicolor.

Yeah, very felon blowing.

Yeah, they're in Cali.

They're very, very white.

Pants.

Very fashion forward.

White pants, white pants, white

pants.

Not white.

People racist man over.

There white pants, no socks with

their shoes.

No socks?

Are they wearing like sand?

Like Jesus sandals?

Or shoes.

No loafers.

Wearing loafers.

With the penny on it or the

little 2 little strings.

You know, oh, the tassels,

that's actually going to be how

they're going to term the like

rank is going to be penny or no

penny.

Perfect.

Tassels any nickel dime quarter.

I feel like tassel will be like

the highest.

Nice.

But you start with the penny.

Yeah, Like you're just you're a

Tier 1 copper.

You know what I mean?

Tier 1.

Tassels, you're commander.

Yeah, Tier one TC.

That's it, Yeah.

No weapons.

They're not allowed to carry

guns.

They actually.

Well, it's California.

Yeah, no, they actually have a

stuffed animal in their holster.

Oh.

A squeaky one or just a regular?

One.

No, it can't be.

They're not.

No, the Squeaky's just That's

ridiculous.

That's the siren on their car.

Have gone too far, however.

Battery powered police cars.

When they when they come across

somebody that's violent or

aggressive, they're going to try

and console them with the

stuffed animal.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

That's their tactic.

That is definitely perfect

description of California.

Sir, you can.

You can't smoke that here and

the person gets upset.

Teddy bear.

That's the move.

Bam, unless you go to Beverly

Hills, go to a cigar lounge.

Then you're fine.

Then there's guns, there's

there's.

No guns.

Jeans.

Boots.

So there you go.

OK, OK, I can't wait to AI the

video of the tobacco police.

OK, Fable returns them loafers.

Fable returns the market, moves

production to Cordoba and

Morales.

Fable is back with an updated

look in a new factory partner.

In 2016, Sean Kraminski and

Matul Shaw launched Fable,

though it's been largely absent

from the market for around half

of the time time since.

Now it's coming back with some

changes, but others are staying

the same.

Most notably, production of its

Coraline 4th Prime has moved

from Fabrica de Tobacco Nica

Sueno to Cordoba Morales.

They don't have no fancy name.

No.

Tabica Tabica Cordova.

They should have.

They should have however the.

However, the blend is, at least

on paper, the same Pennsylvania

broad leaf wrapper over in

Ecuador and Habano La Herald

binder and fillers from the

Dominican Republic and

Nicaragua.

When Fable was less available.

There were seven 4th prime

Batolas that were returned to

the market with four batolas,

all of which were previously

offered.

The Fable 4th prime Merse A5 and

a quarter by 56, The Fable 4th

prime Sapta 6 1/4 by 54, the

Fable 4th prime Friday 6 1/4 by

54, and the Fable 4th prime

Machu 6 1/4 by 60.

While three of the totals are

the same dimensions as before,

the Machu's ring gauge has

increased from 56 to 60.

As for the two six and a quarter

of 54 vitola's, the Sapta is a

Torah, while the Friday is a

Bellicoso.

Also changing are the box

counts, once 56 cigars to a box,

now more standard 21 count box.

That's our number.

Maybe the copycats.

This is still our number.

That said, the prices have

increased.

Fable has always been about

quality and delivering A

memorable smoking experience,

said Matul Shaw in a press

release.

By partnering with Carl and

Morales, cigars were able to

maintain the essence of what

made these cigars special while

ensuring consistent top tier

production for years to come.

One other thing that is not

changing is Fable's distributor

Remains Pochek Inc, which says

the cigars are available for

sale.

Nice.

If anybody's interested, what do

they do?

They could call and reach out to

me, Mike Palmer at Pochek

Cigars.

They can e-mail me at Mike P at

Pushing Cigars.

They're calling me at

407-415-2293.

Nice, how do you spell pushing

cigars?

POSP i.e.

C hcigars.com.

There you go.

Nice attaboy.

I'm a fan of Fable cigars, so

this is this is good news.

You're excited.

Yeah I actually I have 3 left in

my humidor.

I smoked one last night and the

other two.

So I have like 2 sections my my

green army humidor and on the

left side are the ones no smoke.

And no smoky.

Right side smoke so I move the

other two to the left but now.

You can move back to the right.

I can move one to the right

because I need A1 original.

This is the OG.

Yeah, the OG.

Wow.

Smoke them both at the same

time.

Let us know if they're

different, yeah.

Yeah, do your own show.

At home this is boots and is it

the same?

This is Boots household name.

Household name.

Household name that's.

Right name Boots smoking the two

fables.

I don't like Dominicans but I

would buy Dominicans.

Fan favorite T-shirt from

chapter.

Alcatraz, New York.

You should be.

You should be wearing your

T-shirt while you do your own

show.

Yeah.

There you go.

Alcatraz, New York.

Perfect.

All right, South Hadley, MA

passes a generational tobacco

ban.

Wow.

More tobacco.

Ban more problems.

At his most recent meeting, the

South Hadley Board of Health

voted to it.

They had their own Board of

Health voted to implement a

generational tobacco ban,

meaning that it will not be

legal for people born after a

certain date to purchase tobacco

and nicotine products in the

city.

In this case, anyone born after

January 1st, 2005 won't ever be

able to purchase these products,

even after they meet the state's

legal requirement of 21 years

old.

Oh wow.

I thought you'd say something.

So you can't buy in the city in

that city, correct?

What's the city called?

Hadleyville, Hadley Something

South Hadley, South Hadley.

It's like a new signal north.

Hadley perfectly fine East and

West Hadley perfectly fine South

Hadley no bueno.

Not even if you're.

So just the purchase, not the.

Not consumption, just purchase.

You can't buy it if you already

have it.

You can smoke.

It that's hilarious.

It's so dumb the vote it was.

Unanimous in favor of the ban,

according to a report from WWLP.

Unanimous.

South Hadley joins Belchertown,

Brookline, Hop, Hoppington and

Newton as towns and cities of

Massachusetts to pass similar

bans.

Brookline's ban, which was

passed in November 2020, was

challenged in court and

ultimately upheld by the

Massachusetts Supreme Judicial

Court in March 2024.

Generational tobacco bans ban

bills have also been introduced

to both the Massachusetts Senate

and House, though neither has

seen any movement since July.

South Hadley is located in the

southwestern corner of the

state, about 90 miles West of

Boston and 12 miles north of

Springfield.

You and Greg born in Boston,

yes.

I don't know if it.

Was a suburb of Worcester.

Oh wow.

So is that a suburb of Boston?

What's a Boston?

Yeah.

The town is home to

approximately 18,000 residents.

That's it.

Do you think Glenn Loop's going

to comment on this one?

They said it was OK, he said, he

said.

He talked to the guy who?

The guy who's directly in charge

with the guy, right?

They're not going to enforce.

It he works for the guy that and

they said they caught him

between he was trying to.

Get the guy on the phone, but he

wasn't available.

So the guy that works for the

guy who cuts the guy's yard,

yeah, Said he heard that.

This other guy said it was going

to be fine.

And there was nothing to worry

about.

Nothing to worry about.

He had great news, great.

Something positive to report.

Right while cutting the grass I

heard the guy say he heard the

other guy say say that it was

going to be not a problem.

So you know, Mayor someone.

So yeah, you spoke to him.

No, no, no, not him.

The guy that cuts his grass.

You talked to his assistant, his

whatever the hell look like.

No, no.

And I didn't speak to him

either.

The guy that handles the yard

work.

Said it was not I talked to.

Him.

Exactly, he spoke.

To the mayor and the mayor said

who gives a shit?

We could pass laws all day.

Unanimous.

Yeah, nobody, nobody enforces

these things.

Yeah, it's fine.

We're South Hadley.

Where are they?

S was.

South Hadley?

No way.

Yeah.

South Hadley, Yeah.

Right where the men are men 12.

Miles outside of Boston?

What, 12 miles outside of

Boston?

So you can go 12 miles to Boston

and buy it and then drive back?

I just, I just keep going to New

Hampshire and just go see my

guy.

Two guys cigars.

Two guys tobacco.

No, it's two guys cigars.

Or two guys cigars, what you

called get it right.

So.

Get it right?

Sorry, I didn't get to go.

Yeah.

Opus X25.

Lancero Toro.

Appear at Tobacconist of

Greenwich.

It's a lancero, Toro.

Says Lancero Comatoro.

I don't know if it's no sense,

two different ones, or it's a

Lancero Toro.

I don't know.

Early fat long cigar well, many

retailers are taking delivery of

the Opus 25th Anniversario

Tributo A7 by 50 Churchill 1

retailer 1 retailer has received

two other FFOX 25 Vitolas.

Yeah.

Last Wednesday, October 8th,

Tobagonist of Greenwich hosted

its third annual Opus Exodus, a

hybrid sales and charity event

at Tamarac County Club in

Greenwich's Connecticut.

This year's event, which

included a charity auction of a

rare Arturo Fuente cigars,

raised more than anybody.

$50,000.

Boots.

Probably not at 10,000. $500,000

for the Cigar Family Charitable

Foundation, the charity founded

by the Fuente and Newman's

family that operates multiple

free schools and his campuses

and the Dominican Republic.

Well, it's like the richest yada

yada.

I wish we would have had that

piece of information when we're

guessing.

And I knew that isn't where they

gave the eggs a couple years

ago.

They got the padrone thing, they

got the special cigar, They got

no.

No, the school during Covic,

they handed out eggs to

everybody or something.

Wasn't that the place?

Was that the place?

No, I didn't know that.

What?

We cover that in a story.

Yeah.

They advertised that.

They handed out eggs.

They raised money and bought

eggs for everybody.

Oh no, that's a totally

different thing.

That was Alec Bradley or

something.

I thought it was Arturo Fuente

school.

Oh, good.

No, no.

All right, then.

We're wrong.

That was like Honduras or

something.

Part of those proceeds were from

the sale.

Greenwich, North Carolina Where?

Oh no.

In the Dominican, all the money

went to go help their schools in

the Dominican Republic.

And they gave them eggs.

Well I thought years ago during

the COVID that they advertised

that they they gave out eggs.

This is a different company.

Proceeds were from the sale of

the Fuente Fuente Opus X25

Anniversario Rare Finds A10

cigar sampler that contained 6

fuente fuente Opus X2 Fuente

Fuente Opus X20 fives 2 Fuente

Fuente Opus X Toros is.

It fuente fuente now.

I don't know.

So you.

It was always Fuente Fuente

because Jake said Fuente Fuente.

Fuente.

Fuente Yeah.

Do you want to hear a funny

story?

Please.

So.

Greg didn't really go to Ashley.

No, yeah, he didn't.

No, he never left.

He never left, yeah.

He just took a week's vacation,

so.

Like 3 of my back to Japan,

three of the last stories that

we covered I did clips on was

the Sean Williams Kohiba crown.

He comment.

Crowned heads, hold on.

Oh, sorry.

Crowned heads and funti funti,

right?

So I did.

So what I did with all three of

those guys is I invited him to

collaborate like I did the

article and whatever I had the

videos, if it if it had

something like say, hey, I might

as well invite him to

collaborate.

Sure, right.

Because they all hear that we

talk evil things anyway, so

might as well just bring it to

them.

Yes.

Here you go.

So I invited Sean was the first

one.

I invited him to collaborate.

Obviously he didn't accept, but

he did comment.

He did comment.

OK, so there's that.

But I'm like, yeah, why don't

you just accept the invite?

You know, like, what are we

doing?

And I did crown heads this

morning, so I don't know if they

accepted the invite, but John,

I'm expecting you to accept it.

Miguel, I know that you listen

so.

Come on, John.

But I did Fuente and I invited

Carlito Fuente, and you want to

know what I got a message back

from him about one of his.

Cease and desist.

Like, like, like his, he

announced.

He sent me an image of oh, it's

my sister's birthday.

I'm like, oh, I saw that.

Like, yeah, like, OK, right.

But has nothing to do with what

we're talking about.

Kind of.

Are we inviting you and your

sister to collaborate?

Just you do I.

Want you to tag your sister?

Do I need to tag her as well

listener?

Of the week.

Carlito.

What is her name?

I picked your face.

Can I picture her name?

Misses.

Miss.

She's married.

She's.

Got Carlita.

Carlita.

Carlita if I went to his twin

sister.

Yeah, no.

Oh, just, hey, it's feminine.

Yeah, Miguel has taken on he.

He ruined that.

I cannot use now Creature from

the Black Lagoon in my Monster

series because he used it over

the weekend.

Who?

Miguel Chateau.

Yeah.

Crown Heads.

Yeah, I've been doing that

Monster series every day.

The new monster smoking a

Bosonia cigar.

Well, I hadn't used Creature of

the Black Lagoon yet.

He took it Saturday.

Miguel.

Oh, that was funny.

You rat bass.

Smoking a crown heads What?

He was smoking a Crown heads

with a crown heads hat.

Oh, was he?

He likes the hats.

Yes, they're very big in hats.

Crown heads very.

Big in a lot of hats.

Wait.

Wait until we drop our hat.

Coming all right, Tobacconist of

Greenwich has listed the

remaining samplers online.

Priced hat, Oh my Lord. $5000.

Boots. 250,000.

He has one brain cell, I swear

to God.

They raised $500,000 and there's

one sampler is half of it.

They only sold 2 samplers.

We raised $100 million.

How many sell 2?

22 sold 2.

They're priced at $2400.

Just 300 boxes were created.

The story has also listed at

Opus Triple X branded bourbon

that was bottled by First Cut

Barrel Company.

It is priced at.

I'm not.

Guessing.

I'm not guessing anymore.

Bad foods.

Good $7,000,000 a.

Bourbon.

Yeah, it's a bottle of bourbon.

Triple X Bourbon.

Let's go 150 bucks.

I'm going to say 1500. $600.

What a weird #600.

To 120 bottles.

The Opus Exodus experience is so

much more than an event.

It's a celebration of

friendship, passion, generosity

that define our cigar family,

said Michael Cafagogo, CAF

Kefguno, owner and CEO of The

Tobacconist of Greenwich, which

is a press release each year.

That guy's got a private jet for

sure.

Each year, I'm humbled by the

energy and devotion that fills

the room.

It's a privilege to share the

journey with people who truly

understand and cherish the

artistry, craftsmanship, and

spirit that makes Opus Exodus so

special.

By the Open 625 has remained

exclusively originally sold only

as part of Eli Blue Humidors

Ellie Blue Ellie Blue Humidors.

This is not the first time the

Arturo Fuente has released an

exclusive Atola to stores. 2023

blah blah blah blah blah blah.

OK, very exciting stuff.

Yeah, so my first clip is going

to.

Be 250,250 thousand.

They raised 500. $1000 Hold on,

it didn't work.

It didn't cut the story that

you.

Wanted to do It's like a house.

You can have these five cigars

or a small shack in Miami.

Make fun of me in for a second

like I get through the store.

You get married, I can't keep it

going.

You know?

It's nice having Greg as the

audience too, because he started

dying laughing.

So.

So let's talk about it then,

since we've got some.

Air time?

Yes, he's growing.

That's three zeros, 250000.

Yeah, it's 200.

And 50K would.

Do you think Postagna would ever

do something like that?

That expensive of a box.

I don't know.

Never say never.

Yeah, who knows?

Who knows where the road takes

us?

What if I got some really rare

Martian tobacco?

You know what I mean?

Yeah, that you could only fly in

a Tesla spaceship I.

Mean send it back from Elon's?

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know.

Who knows?

It'd be cool if you guys did

like a series.

Well, like the reality is that

in order for that to work, you

got to be in that retail store.

You have to be in a spot where

there is a ridiculous amount of

cash.

I think, I mean maybe not that

expensive, but I think you guys

could definitely do something

like maybe half the price here.

Yeah, in Deltona.

Well, you know, you're selling

it probably online, not in

Deltona, Yeah.

Maybe.

Maybe do like a a a bangarang a

who shot ya catastrophic

failure.

Oh, like a catador. $229,000.

No, but maybe maybe like a A7 or

$800 box.

I don't know.

We'll see.

We got other things going on.

I'm trying to sell T-shirts for

30 bucks.

Yeah, right.

You.

Know all righty Aroa Aviator

series debuting this week This

week, the first first three

launch events for the Aeroa

Aviator series will take place.

The Aviator series is offered in

a lone 6 by 50 tutorial that

uses a banner wrapper and a

blend of tobaccos from Columbia

and Honduras.

More recently, Christian Aeroa,

founder of Cle Cigar Company,

has disclosed that the blend

also uses Pena Rejo.

No, keep going.

Do it again.

Seed tobacco and older human

seed PINARENO Pena.

Rejo.

OK.

Cuban seed that was once grown

in Honduras but lost out to the

more disease resistant Corojo

seed.

So Corojo killed it.

Use some first generation

whatever.

That word was seed from Cuba my

father grew in Yamastrin.

Yamastrin said it wrote

previously.

He has had the seed for decades

but has not grown it since 1979,

when the blue molds wept through

Honduras In 1977, any attempt to

grow it in Honduras has yielded

continuous losses of 25 to 40%

on the field due to its

susceptibility to everything.

Susceptibility to everything.

Right.

Heroa has talked up the cigar.

Most of the talk around the

Aviator series has been around

anything other than the cigar

itself.

Each cigar has an MSRP of. $30.

Boots. 50 bucks. 114 dollars.

Jesus 2. 150,000 I'm I'm sorry I

was way off I should have

guessed 250K.

At price, it might seem quite

high until you see how the

cigars are packaged.

Each cigar is held into a piece

of Honduran cedar wood via a

leather strap.

What kills that tobacco?

Everything.

Sun.

Bad water kills.

It's susceptible to being grown

in itself.

That piece of wood, essentially

large trays placed inside a

briefcase that is molded after

an old briefcase that was used

by Christians.

Grand grandfather, But that is

hardly the end of the packaging

story.

Each briefcase is then placed

inside a large trunk reminiscent

of an older luggage that might

have been used by people

traveling to steamships.

And total, each trunk holds 176

cigars and has an MSRP of Oh my

Lord.

Well, it's 115 a pole and how

many are in there A. 176.

That's a lot.

That's.

A lot of cigars.

That's a lot boots.

I'm gonna go with 3000.

Hey, it's a piece of luggage.

It's a piece of luggage inside a

piece of luggage inside a tray,

right?

With a with a wood strap with.

Ecuadorian wood.

It's probably like 15 grand or

so. $20,064 Yeah, there we go.

The trunks were created.

Three or three or three Jesus

Solid 3000 dollars 3000.

Trunks were created by Santiago

Aroa, Christian son who worked

with Santiago Rihanna.

I know a Colombian artist.

The younger Hero had developed

the project without his father

knowing.

The body of the trunk is made of

aluminum and then is covered in

Honduran cedar wood and leather.

They're also brass accents and

even humidification.

The only way to retail is to

purchase the Aviator series was

by purchasing an entire trunk,

and they were only five of them.

As part of the purchase, Hero is

hosting an event at each

retailer.

So if you buy the trunk.

Yeah, of course he does.

Did you hear how much it?

Was $20,000 a trunk He better

show.

Up so it'll be at Greenwich.

I'll see.

The five events are at

Churchill's Bistro and Cigar

Bar, C dot, Ambassador's Fine

Cigars, Biggs Mansion and

Benny's.

Those are actually people's

houses.

Benny's BINNYS, yes, Yeah,

Benny's is a big chain.

Oh, it's a chain, yeah.

So that was took care of all the

trunks, yeah.

So you're not going to get one

unless you go there.

Yeah.

Correct.

All right now, the biggest game

to sweep the cigar industry.

It's time for What's the Score?

We should all say that in

unison.

When it's time, we should say

what?

Try again.

Hold on, go back now.

The biggest game to sweep the

cigar industry.

What you guys are doing?

More time.

Yeah, you got to let us know.

Yeah, OK.

After I say industry, then we're

going to say what's the score

right now, the biggest game to

sweep the cigar industry.

What's the score?

All right.

Today our two contestants are

Mike Stefankabich, coming off a

tremendous loss from last week.

Yes, I won.

I thought he won last.

I won.

He won last week.

Yeah, I won last.

He got one spot on.

And then you got 1, you got 1/2,

I thought.

OK, we need to get you to bed

because.

He thought he won too.

We.

Tied on one, we were off by one

point each, and then I nailed

the second one.

All right, so he definitely

lost.

Not only did he lose, but I

nailed 1.

I thought he nailed one last

week, no?

Did you watch the clips?

Have you put that one up yet?

Nope.

Yeah, we didn't watch that one.

All right, First cigars from

October 16th, 2025 reviewed by

Charlie Minato.

Yeah, it's a limited edition

Luciano cigar review.

The Resolent.

Oh.

It's the resilient.

I like the she.

Changed the name the other name.

The resolent.

Resolent.

All right, who's going first?

You go first, winner.

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 88.

It's my who's reviewing it.

CC OH.

Boy, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay

88.

I'll stay 88.

I'll go 82.

All right.

Country of origin undisclosed.

Of course, factory undisclosed.

Of course.

But he owns both of them.

Yep, rapper Ecuador Habano 92

Binder Ecuador Connecticut Seed

Filler Nicaraguan and Peru 6 by

52.

It's round sells for $24.00 each

and a smoked 3.

Cigars.

OK, I'll stick 88 right now.

Mr. Boots, 82.

Right.

Unfortunately, the cigars don't

look all that great.

All three of them use wrapper

leaves that have lots of very

prominent veins, though the

third cigar is the one that

sticks out like a sore thumb.

Show Notes

From shocking headlines to Sunday heroics — this week’s stories hit hard on the field and online.

And when the smoke settles… we’re lighting up what really matters.

All this and Gregg tells us what' s

coming for Powstanie Cigars

This is The Cigar Hustlers Podcast.