ACHP Episode 423 Living Amongst The Recalls
Transcript
Welcome to Episode 423, the
Cigar Hustler podcast, coming to
you every weekday at 5:00 AM.
I'm your host, Mike Palmer.
You look much better today by
the.
Way.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Everybody was concerned.
They were like, can he handle
this?
And.
Handle the everyday.
And I'm like, yeah, of course we
can handle this.
No, this is no problem.
But.
It is a lot of extra work.
It is.
It is a lot.
It is a lot.
Well, it's 5X, yeah.
Five times.
Oh, they tried.
I never thought it's five times
what we did.
Before, yeah, so.
So there's that.
But now at least you look like
I'm looking at you right now on
this.
Beautiful.
Well, that that shirt normally
goes with a jacket.
I think it wrinkles easily or
something.
It bunched up.
Even I when I was editing I was
like that's I look terrible.
Yes, and you were so mad that
you're like, why didn't you even
tell me that I look bad?
I'm like, well, you can.
There's video footage of me
telling you.
I I told you.
Oh, Speaking of which, I just
got an e-mail from LinkedIn.
Mr. Beast, I was looking for a
video editor.
Oh, that's more your than me at
this point with the specialty
stuff.
I.
Don't want to work for somebody
else, I don't.
Want to work for Mr. Beast
Retainer?
He pays big money.
How big?
All the candy bars you can eat.
So long, that's all I'm saying.
On today's show, small business
is shrinking, and with its and
with it, valuable jobs.
Don't eat shredded cheese.
Avoid the winter vomit disease
and in sports, the money makers
give a bad tip in cigar and give
a bad tip in cigars.
China is ramping up some
accessory production and we have
more LE Blue products offered.
More.
More, more foundation is going
north and then an update about
Davidoff layoffs.
Turns out we were right with
what we said yesterday.
That's not the update, but
before we get started, my
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Also ton of comments this week
on everything on all sorts of
platforms.
New followers on social media.
I mean, it's just, it's amazing.
No, I'm being, but I'm being
serious.
No, no, I am too.
Like so so far, I'm going to
tell you the the hustler every
every weekday thing pretty good.
Yeah, pretty good to be working.
Yeah.
And before we take this any
further, yes, before we get into
the news, yes, I want to I want
to tell you something.
I went ahead and I spoke to the
higher ups at at PO Chic
distribution, yes and we decided
a new car oh to award you yes as
guardian.
Oh.
Of Postagna.
See, this is nicely drawn.
Up yes, you know, no expense
with Spain there you go and
making.
Yeah, we, we this was, yes, top
of the line.
Wow.
Guardian of Postagna.
That is nice.
So ha ha, how do you like that
Joshua Haberski?
That's right, not even from from
a restaurant.
Yeah, no, this is from a
legitimate tobacconist.
That's right, right.
Not somebody who's making fried
fish or whatever.
The French.
Fish and chips.
Oh, croissant.
Oh well, it's London.
Oh, it's London A.
French company in London, so I
don't know how confusing that
gets.
Yeah.
How do you say croissant in
London?
Croissant mate.
It's a it's a croissant.
Mate well.
At least OK, so.
Please Sir, can I have some
more?
Congratulations on your word.
Thank you very much.
That's amazing.
Very well deserved.
Thank you.
I would even argue that it's
more deserved than Joshua
Haberski.
I would think it's a higher
level.
Yes, I would agree.
So, so congratulations Sir.
Thank.
You very much.
Thank you.
Oh, look.
Oh, look who's here.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Mr. Boutique, welcome.
Welcome to the show, Sir.
It's nice, Nice to see you.
Hello A.
Bing bong.
Thank you.
A Bing bong.
A Bing bong.
A Bing bong.
OK, no, I looked in the back and
I didn't see any car that
resembled anyone that you've
driven before.
So I was like, oh, maybe he's
not here.
I've been driving my brother's
car for a month.
Yeah.
For a month, yeah, I thought
that.
I thought it was Greg and I saw
a Honda.
I was like, there's no way
that's him.
Yeah, well, so we just said fuck
it, we just started.
Going.
Yeah, we had to go.
We're very busy, all right.
So go ahead Palmer, get into it
and whilst health set up boots.
You missed your introduction.
Oh, I'm here.
Now let's get on with the news.
A small business is shrinking.
The job market basically said,
yeah, never mind, we're not
doing great right now.
According to the ADP, the US
private sector lost 32,000 jobs
in November, and that's right
after they revised last month.
Up to 47,000 jobs gained,
biggest drop since early 2023.
And the hit came hard from the
little guys, small businesses.
A big bumps.
Automatic Data Processing, or
ADP, numbers have been standing
at in as the unofficial
scoreboard while the
government's been shut down.
Yeah.
We we, we just got an update
from the devil off thing.
Hold on.
Beep boop Beep boop boop beep
boop update.
Oh, we'll have to talk about
that when we do the other stuff
later.
OK, good.
It's good.
It's juicy.
I've been standing in his
unofficial school.
I'm very excited now.
Well, the government's been shut
down, so analysts were watching
closely and got blindsided.
Everyone expected job gains.
Instead, we got a punch in the
mouth.
We'll get the full official
report on December 16th after
the Fed meets next week.
But here's what we know right
now.
Mom and pop shops got smoked.
Companies under 50 employees cut
120,000 people.
Yikes.
Biggest companies actually added
around 90,000 but even they're
slowing down.
Some industry shrank,
manufacturing, construction,
finance, pro services.
Others grew education, health,
hospitality.
So it's a mixed bag.
But the headline is still jobs
disappeared.
Why?
Depends on who you ask.
Economists say consumers are
tightening up.
Some manufacturers say, hey, we
don't know what's happening with
the Trump's tariff, so hiring is
on pause.
Commerce Secretary Howard
Lutnick jumps in and says
tariffs aren't the problem at
all.
It's the shutdown crushing small
business, plus the ramp up and
deportations.
So is he saying all the Mexicans
are gone?
Because Mexicans are gone, no
one's buying nothing.
And he swears hiring will bounce
back soon.
But here's the one thing
everybody does agree on.
This week's job picture gives
the Fed even more ammo to push
for bigger rate cuts next week.
And Wall Street noticed gold
popped as traders ran to the
metal that always shines when
investment rates drop.
Gold.
Gold, they say.
Golden in our hills.
OK, so.
Silver and gold.
So, So what do you think?
What do you think it is the
reason why there's all the job
losses for small businesses?
What do you think?
I think the mom and pops are
cutting back, like they said,
because they're scared and
they're afraid that things are
going to go.
I mean, if you if you were a mom
and pop, you probably do less
work than you actually could be
doing because you have
employees.
So if you let one or two go, you
just do a little more work and
then you save all that money.
OK, so but you're probably
letting them go because numbers
are probably down.
Right, right.
That, or the fear.
I don't think a mom and pop
store pulls out just because of
oh God like like.
Well, you asked for my opinion.
Yeah, I know, but I'm just
telling you.
Where I'm at point counterpoint.
Yeah, but Michael, you
insufferable.
Oh sorry, that's SNL thing.
Oh, very aggressive.
So, yeah, but OK.
And what do you think?
You own a small business.
I do.
You and you're in construction,
yes.
How, how's the, do you cut back
people in the past couple of
months or are you still kind of
tracking where you're at or
what's going on?
No, I'm to be honest, like I
hired 3 guys in the past two
months, but I've also kind of
evolved like my, my business,
right?
So like I used to do just kind
of residential remodeling,
renovation mostly and for rental
home companies, well, I got into
apartment complexes and I'm
shifting into insurance
companies and you know, I'm just
shifting a little bit.
All right.
So you're pivoting a little bit
and now you're having a little
bit of growth because you saw
maybe a little.
I wouldn't say like as much
growth as I have had in the
past.
It's definitely down ticked a
little bit on the growth.
But yeah, I mean, pivoting's
helped.
OK.
And but the original space that
you're in, you're saying you
think that that's less than what
it was.
Yeah, I think people, yeah, are
doing less right now.
But we're also in holiday times
too, so it's hard to tell,
right?
Yeah, that is true.
All right.
I mean, I think it's, I think
it's a little bit of all of that
stuff.
I think that there's, I think
that there's a pull back.
I think that no matter if you
if, if it's, you know, a ton of
people that are immigrants,
you're pulling them out of the
cause.
Illegal immigrants, you pull
them out of the economy, it's
going to affect your economy.
I think that tariffs are
definitely a, a, a factor to
that as well.
I think that people are pulling
back on spending.
I think that all of those things
are occurring and I definitely
could see that small mom and pop
stores would definitely be
feeling that you know more than
more so than your big guys.
Right.
The bigger companies have
contingencies that mom and pops
aren't don't have access to.
Well, normally what they do is
they just fire the top dogs,
fuel the growth, get them the
hell out right and they get
back.
Oh, sort of like somebody we
heard.
Looks like a possible right.
Yeah.
OK.
All right.
Yeah, Well, it's good.
It's good, good, great news
coverage there.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Next story Yes, shredded cheese
sold at Walmart, Publix and
other grocery stores recalled
due to metal fragments.
This.
Is big.
This is huge.
This is a big one.
This is a big one.
More than 1,000,000 bags of
shredded cheese sold at major
retailers including Walmart,
Publix and ALDI have been
recalled because the products
may contain metal fragments,
according to the Food and Drug
Administration.
In a December 1st notice, the
FDA said the shredded cheese was
manufactured by Ohio based Giant
Lakes Cheese, Great Lakes Cheese
Company.
It was sold in 31 States and
Puerto Rico.
The recall is rated as Class 2.
See, that's serious.
That's the second worst, I
think.
Oh, really?
By the FDA, which means the
product could cause temporary or
medically reversible adverse
health consequences.
Oh, medically reversible?
So this won't kill you, right?
Maybe some bowel discomfort?
Some anal bleedage.
Maybe some metal detector action
at the TSA ports or something.
Oh yeah, maybe.
Although the potential for
serious injuries is remote, the
FDA noticed covers nearly
236,000 cases of low moisture
part skim mozzarella shredded
cheese, which represents the
largest portion of the recall.
Oh thank God I don't eat the 2%
stuff.
Each case includes between 4:00
to 12:00 bags of cheese.
The recall covers 15,490 cases
of a of Italian style shredded
cheese, 4298 cases of pizza
style shredded cheese, 4131
cases of mozzarella and
provolone shredded cheese.
And it goes, it goes on and on.
Let's catch 3 years ago now over
there.
Is it more cheese?
What type of cheese do you eat,
Palmer?
And the lakes.
We buy Publix brand slices and
then my wife likes to buy
shredded cheese.
I don't know why it's cheap but
we use it on different things
but it's usually Kraft or the
Publix.
Brand any of those flavors.
I don't know actually, because
pizza style, we've got that
before.
We don't do the Italian style
because we don't even have
Italian food.
But we currently at the moment
we have cheddar and the the
white and yellow together, which
is Colby.
Colby, Thank you.
The products have sell by dates
ranging from January to late
March 2026, according to the
FDA.
The recalled cheese was sold in
31 states as well as Puerto
Rico.
The recall covers 26 grocery
chains.
It's basically.
Everybody.
Yeah, it's a cheese pandemic,
right?
Well, that's not the right term,
but yes.
Close enough.
So I was amazed by this recall.
It was so large.
And basically, if you've bought
shredded cheese in the last two
weeks, you should really just
throw it away, right?
No way to tell.
So anyway, I went and looked up
what else has been recalled in
the last 30 days.
OK, just 30 days.
So November to the end of
November.
You'd be amazed.
What's been recalled.
Tell me.
A tabletop camping stove.
Yeah.
The gas could leak and could
explode.
That's pretty good.
Children's helmets not safe.
Bicycle.
Helmets.
Not safe saving the kids.
Baby formula that might have
Botulism in it.
What's that?
Botulism.
Yeah.
It's a bacteria that will hurt
you.
Well, it's the stuff the women
get injected into their
forehead.
But I guess if it goes to the
stomach, Botox, that's Botox.
Botox is Botulism.
What it does is it numbs your
nose in that area.
So like.
How do I have?
Questions get into the formula.
I don't know.
Oh well, there was this crazy
party.
It could be that it got too hot.
Don't worry with dirty hands.
That he wasn't there.
Uncleanly conditions?
Oh wait, the list goes on.
An E bike that may burst into
flames while charging.
Of course.
Amazing.
Yeah, a play, a play yard that
can close on the babies.
It's like a a pack and place
that can suddenly just close.
Yes.
Costco Prosecco.
Oh no.
Plastic in the, in the, in the
that's.
A big one in our house.
My wife just switched to
drinking Prosecco.
That's not her favorite one, but
we don't go to Costco.
Oh.
Yeah, we buy the Costco
Prosecco.
Mike, he definitely goes.
To Costco.
Out with the melatonin pills,
Michael.
The hell we are.
It's just plastic.
You know what, we're just going
to, we're just going to play it
through a sifter.
It's just plastic.
We'll go, we'll work through it.
We, we will be reasonable.
A peloton bike where the seat
could come off and then oops,
metal pole up your ass some.
People would enjoy that.
You know, you take a pumping,
you're right, and you're pumping
next, You know, the seat's gone
and ow, ow, ow, you know.
I don't think that was a defect
for some.
Frozen pasta meal that killed 6
people.
A frozen pasta meal.
It's tainted with listeria,
which is another bacteria.
A frozen pasta.
Killed 6, made 27 sick.
You know, listeria is the stuff
that you see in the mouthwash
commercials.
It's not Listerine.
It killed 6 people.
Killed 6 people.
A frozen pasta dish.
In the same family, 6 people.
No, just six people.
They didn't give me specific
names.
Random 6 people.
Random 6 people.
Some 1000 crazy ways to die.
Some people just looked at the
pasta.
Right, and a Ford Bronco.
But cars are always your.
Call 1 Ford Bronco.
No one particular style of Ford
Bronco.
Tell me it's been bursting into
flames, because that'd be.
Hilarious.
No, it won't stop.
Yeah, it won't stop.
No brakes?
No.
Brakes.
No brakes.
You think we'd have that squared
away by now?
How is all this still happening?
Yeah, that's a lot in 30 days.
Yeah, February or October wasn't
any better.
There was more in October, too.
And yet here we are still.
Here we are just.
Living amongst the We're still
alive.
We're what the best country in
the world.
Think of the bad countries.
Title for the show Living
amongst the Recalls.
Well thank God that there are
these recalls so or other people
will be laid off.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah.
This is ridiculous.
It's fueling the economy.
In today's world, with
everything we have, there's
still the The baby food has been
on the recall list for three
months.
There's always recalls on Baby
Food I.
Think it's all the same brand?
Just stop eating the brand.
Like what did you do to the
Peloton bike to change it?
And then you're like, oh shit,
the seat falls.
There was one guy and it fell
off and he, you know, got caught
and then he had to make up this
crazy excuse.
I think that's happened to more
than the one guy.
Probably manufacturing in China.
They went, we put smaller
bracket on cheat, we'd be fine.
We save you money.
No, save you money, no problem.
Say $0.05.
Oh, that's great.
Where are you from?
Taiwan tariff by making you.
Right, we absorb the tariff by
making smaller bracket.
You're fine.
Good to go, right?
OK, and now you hit it and the
seat pops off.
Next thing you know, you got to
pull up your ass.
I don't think it's woo Hoo, I
think it's ah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I've never.
It's a metal pipe.
It's a metal pipe with no cover
on it.
So, you know, it's not like it's
got a rounded top or.
Something.
Is it a woo Hoo?
I wouldn't know.
Would it be a woo Hoo for you?
Boots are.
You sure?
You trying to tell us, did you
just buy a Peloton bike for this
week?
No, we're.
Going to get you one for
Christmas.
I give you deal on his bike,
don't worry about the seat he's.
Fine, it's going to be.
Fun now behind.
From Russia, perfectly. $10.10
dollars.
Yeah, the peloton is Russian,
all right.
This highly contagious winter
vomiting disease is surging
across the country.
From baby food, it's a.
Terrible time to be alive in
America.
You can't eat anything, you
can't exercise, and now you're
vomiting randomly walking
around.
Oh man.
Like a South Park episode.
That's right, it's the Norovirus
is a concern all year, but
experts say it peaks during the
winter months.
It's unclear why, said
Hartford's healthcare chief
epidemiologist, Dr. Ulysses Woo.
A lot of this has to do with
hand washing and close quarters.
Sherry Piperdis, a professor at
physician's assistant studies in
Quintapec University, says a
newer variant also plays a role.
The older strains that people
had immunity to are now changing
and so the immunity, our immune
system hasn't seen this new
virus, she said.
Do you have a question Boots?
Yeah, I do.
How are you pronouncing all
these words?
But you can't pronounce football
players names.
I pre read this.
Jawan.
Jetting.
And how do you know it's
Piperidis?
I mean, it's PIPERIDIS who knows
what it is.
No, because nobody's heard of
these people.
It could be any name you wanted.
Epidemiologist.
So he's like I.
Can I know epidemiologist?
Juan Gilbert.
Juwan Jetting Jawan.
Before transmission is much
easier than it has been before.
This winter is expected to be no
different, with wastewater data
from wastewater scan showing the
virus is spreading early.
The wastewater data is very,
very important, said Pepperdice.
In a small sample of population,
we can in that kind of project
that what we can kind of project
that to other towns being ready
or preparing for the season.
So I guess they're watching it
in the wastewater.
It's going town to town.
Experts say washing your hands
frequently can help prevent the
spread and avoiding contaminated
surfaces.
Water and food.
Don't eat the food.
You're going to get it anyway.
It's just amazing hygiene.
Stay away from Shakuri boards.
Stay away from Shakuri boards at
the holiday parties.
No double dipping.
It's the holiday season and
vomiting's happening everywhere.
Now in sports and gambling, the
San Antonio Spurs edged the
Orlando Magic 114 to 112 on
Wednesday night.
I was actually there last.
Night money maker's L right
there, buddy.
Yeah, it was.
I actually left like 30 seconds
left and then I had to go to the
bathroom, so everybody was
watching on the TV.
When I came out, they tied it
up.
I was like, oh, let's go back
down to the seats.
Maybe it's going to be overtime.
We'll go back down to the seats.
Franz gets blocked.
It was horrible.
It blocked it thanks to a wild
finish kept by Luke Cornett's
game saving block at the buzzer.
De Aaron Fox took over.
De Aaron is that?
Correct, Darren.
Yeah, that's right.
No, no, that's right.
No, De Aaron's right.
Yeah, it's D.
I just think it's hilarious how
he can barely pronounce these
ones.
Took over because you guys know
who these people are.
You don't know if the other ones
I got right.
I don't know epidemiologist.
I don't know those ones.
Well, I thought you meant the
names took over late, scoring
the Spurs final 10 points.
His last two came at the free
throw line with a 1.4 seconds
remaining after Jonathan Isaac
fouled him on a drive.
Orlando still had a chance,
slipping the ball to friends
Wagner.
Franz.
Franz.
Yes, not friends.
Maybe it's France.
It's France.
Franz Wagner under the rim but
Cornett denied the layup as time
expired, his third block of the
night.
The Spurs have now won seven of
their last nine despite missing
Victor.
Oh yes.
Oh, not getting there.
Yes.
No, go ahead.
Wem pajama Wem pajama Wem pajama
What is he evening wear What
the.
Yes, Victor, Wem.
He doesn't even have AJ in the
in there.
The Y sounds like AJ when he
follows an end, but you guys
know.
Basic grammar.
We call him Wimby.
It's Wimby Yama.
Raymains out with a strained
left calf.
Wagner led the Magic with 25
points and Jalen Suggs added 24
and 3 steals before fouling out
in the final. 2nd that guy's a
stud that sucks.
Desmond Bain, coming off the
back-to-back 37 point outing,
contributed 14 points and six
assists with a pair of clutch
buckets late.
The Los marks Orlando's third
set back in 10 games since Paulo
Banchero went out with a
strained groin.
Oh, you heard his PP How?
Did you pronounce that?
Yeah.
I don't think that that's right
though.
Banchero is the paello, maybe
like paella paella or something.
Maybe he's that rice dish with
the fish in it.
He got it, I mean.
He's winner.
San Antonio also got a spark
from Dylan Harper, who posted 16
points, 5 rebounds and five
assists off the bench, while
Devin Vassell added 15 points,
six boards.
Fox accounted for seven of the
Spurs 19 turnovers but delivered
when it mattered most.
Bam.
Bam.
And this was his pick of the
week.
And if you followed it, you lost
money.
So how do you feel about?
I got the Patriots 1 do.
You do you recoup the people who
followed your bet.
So so.
But if you bet like 50 on the
Patriots and you bet 50 on,
you're back at even.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's not really progressive,
just saying, just saying money
makers.
I actually lost my bet on Monday
Night Football.
I did pick the -7 Oh.
My God.
But I also picked Wendell
Robinson and the parlay of that
man, he just trashed that game.
The Giants, like, just stopped
playing after the first quarter.
I don't know what happened.
The Patriots are looking like a
dominating team.
It's crazy.
I'm kind of pissed off about it
because it's supposed to be.
The Bills are supposed to be at
the top.
The Dolphins were going to get
us a chance.
Everything got fucked up again.
The Bills been playing like
absolute shit.
So I was like, Oh my God, this
thing is wide open.
And here come the Patriots, just
strong as ever.
But here's the reality, buddy.
The Bills were on top for a
while only because of the
transitional period of the New
England Patriots.
Josh McDaniels came back.
We got a new head coach who's
been a team guy, the whole, I
mean, I don't understand how
Tennessee let Mike Vrabel go.
He's a great coach.
Yeah, you pick the right guy in
the draft, like.
Yeah, I like Drake, man.
My goodness, my goodness.
It's it's fun to say that I'm a
Patriot fan.
It's crazy too, because he
doesn't.
He plays kind of like Brady.
Like he doesn't even throw the
same guy.
That's because it's the system.
Yeah, there's no star wide
receiver on that.
Daniels is brilliant.
McDaniels is a brilliant
offensive coordinator.
Well, that terrible head coach.
That McDaniels.
Josh McDaniels.
Yeah, yeah, Mike, no
affiliation.
Right.
But but you know what, in the
same breath, if you put Josh
McDaniels as a head coach, he's
not going to succeed like
they've tried him in all these
other places.
Yeah, he belongs in New England,
right, Mike?
Yes.
There you go.
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Did somebody send a message to
us?
No, we're covering our ass just
to be sure all.
Right.
I just made sure, yeah.
We're ahead of the curve, buddy.
I just know we get messages all
the time so I was just trying to
figure it out.
People are out to get it, so
he's always just covering.
Her own buddy.
He's always disclosed.
Are they?
Yeah.
I just saw a thing where nobody
talked about.
I tried to rile them up on that
show.
Nobody talked about us.
You know, like, this has been a
topic of discussion kind of all
week.
And I'm going to tell you
something.
You if you're and and Matt
reached out to me.
Matt Booth.
Matt Tai.
Matt Tai.
Yeah.
And I I feel like maybe a couple
things were misconstrued.
For one, I totally understand.
Excuse me.
Why Matt Tai would not name a
name that's not his.
That's not his platform.
He's always been like the kind
of steady Freddie and would
always, you know, it's burn
cigars, not breech.
I mean, it's the logo.
Yeah, it's, it's, you know, the
the show's main thing.
But the other guys, and I use
this as an example, the other
guys should have stated, you
know, I think this guy is a
problem in media and and here's
why.
Sure, right.
It's but and the example that I
use, it's like Stephen A Smith
saying this basketball player is
terrible.
He flops a lot.
He's making bad decisions on the
court and he's not putting up
the points.
OK.
Well, who is it like?
I don't really want to disclose
that.
I mean, we all know who he's
talking about.
Right, but you guys know, but
like that, you know that that
doesn't that's dumb.
That's dumb.
You should say this is the
problem and here it is.
Why?
If not, there's never a resolve.
You leave this guy in existence
and you know, and our
interview's the fucking best
anyways.
They didn't even mention that
shit.
Do you think there's any I?
Think he asked them
specifically, is there somebody
you have a problem with or
somebody?
I think that was one of the
questions.
Not that you have a problem
with, but there's someone you
think's doing a bad job or not
making the media look good or
something like that.
I did.
I did hear that question.
It was a good beginning.
And they they wouldn't name the
names.
Oh yeah, because then Eric
Gersman said I love Coop and I
hate Fred Rui as a joke.
Yeah, right.
Which is very witty and funny.
It was a funny, funny thing,
yeah.
I mean, yeah, between him and
Fred, like those two guys are
hilarious.
So.
But they should have named
names, Name names, damn it.
You think there's fear?
And reprisals, yeah, maybe.
I don't know, We're a little
vengeful.
I mean, we're never going to
like show by your door, but we
will show up.
On your TV show, I don't
honestly don't think they even
considered us in the
conversation.
Yeah.
To be honest.
I was trying.
I don't think they considered us
in the conversation.
So when they're talking about
media, you don't think we're
even considered in the same room
anymore.
No, I don't.
Yeah, I don't think that.
Wow.
I don't think that they consider
us that.
So other than those four or
five, who else do you think they
think is media?
Bear.
Bear well, he's he's on coops.
You talk about the Coalition.
The big dog is Charlie, his half
wheel.
Right, they didn't mention him
either.
Yeah, I mean, Cigar Aficionado
deserves to be in the
conversation.
Yeah, I was thinking more audio
video than print, but Fred was
there and he's print.
Well, he also does a podcast
now, so.
But it's not a cigar show.
Right.
So yeah.
Well, I feel like our viewers, I
mean, we have plenty of viewers,
right, dude?
Growing like growing.
I feel like we're definitely a
media source.
If you you can go back in the
the past seven years of us doing
this, I've never been like, OK,
yeah, like this is 0.
Yeah, it's never been this, this
flood of new people.
We're catching a wave here,
which is incredible.
Right.
And you're definitely smoking a
cigar.
And we're talking about cigar
things, so we should definitely
be cigar.
Media We broke the Davidoff
Davidoff layoffs.
Oh, what?
Do you see what else I got
today?
Yeah, you know what I should do
is we should make choice one
shirts.
I don't get it because.
Coop has this choose five theory
thing that he says.
Oh, I have no idea what that is.
And it's like the four other
options before you get to cigar
Media as to like choice 12345,
You broke it down.
The article that we talked
about.
I know that you're kind of old
and you don't remember.
These things I don't remember.
There's so much going on in my
life.
We used to do choice one Choice
1 chapter pod.com.
Choice one, yes, he did mention
on that he's taking a step into
other industries.
Yeah, he's giving you reviews on
Mcribs, bro.
Oh, is that what it is?
The food.
Yeah, you didn't see my comment.
Yeah, Instruments.
No, Yeah, I always tell him he's
my favorite food show.
Right.
You have a video today?
No.
OK with no video today.
All right, let's slide up some
cigar news.
Oh, we're cigar media now.
All right, let's go.
We're just media in general now,
supposedly because we cover
topics.
You know what we cover?
News, sports, entertainment and
cigars.
Here's.
What I'm going to tell you, I
don't care what you call us, as
long as you watch, that's all
that matters to me, is that,
hey, you know what?
We're not a news source, but
we're entertainment.
Perfect.
I don't care.
We're not an entertainment, but
we're a news source.
Love that too.
Whatever you do to listen and
watch, we are grateful for the
fact that you're here and that's
the bottom line.
I forgot to print it, but
Listening Notes is listed us as
one of the top five podcast
period to listen to.
Really.
Yes.
Wow, I'm not sure where
listening to notes is, but I did
find that there you go.
So it's obviously an incredible
source.
Yeah, it's obviously an
incredible intuitive source of
information in the world.
Was anybody else above us that
was Instagram?
I, we just said we're, I asked
where we ranked and it's, it
came up we're in the top five.
I didn't say the other. 4 You
know, here's what's crazy.
But not, I'm sorry, but not all
cigar podcasts just podcast
worldwide.
So we reckon against Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan, yeah, That's why he's
probably.
The.
One, so you know what's funny is
here's the thing.
You think that these guys would
say, hey, you know what, let's
let's have that these the this
platform, they kind of cover
everything.
They're doing everything they
can for the cigarette industry.
We should really kind of embrace
it and help them and help and
help us in the same breath so
that we can all kind of grow.
But instead, we're going to
continue to talk about you guys.
We know you all.
Why?
Because whether you hate we hate
you or we don't hate you,
whether you hate us, we still
love you and we want you to get
some attention.
Yeah, we're not fucking leaving
and.
We want you to do better, yeah.
Do better.
Oh any church we still love you.
Choice 7.
There's so many churches.
Right.
Now I'm going to put, you know,
instead of us being choice, one
of them push choice 985.
There you go.
All right, Reaching is moving to
a new, larger factory.
Oh.
Reaching.
RACHING.
Reaching.
Reaching.
Reaching.
What about raching?
It's ratching, right?
No, it's.
A Chinese What about rak hing?
No, it's not rack above it had
nothing like that.
What about RA Qing?
China based humidor giant
reaching technology group moved
to a brand new and much larger
factory space in Dongguan,
Guangdong, China.
Guangdong in southern China,
that's.
This is a real place.
That's where I used to go.
Wing Chung.
To Wangdong.
Dong Guang, Guangdong province
in southern China.
Bless.
You.
I saw that, shooting the glare.
Sounds.
Lovely.
No, we're all going to stay away
from him.
He's got the vomit disease.
The new The factory spans over
30,000 feet, or 30,000 square
meters.
That's about 3 football fields
in total space.
It includes both a stainless
steel and metalworks factory, a
13,000 square meter wood shop,
and a large storage and
inventory facility.
And it's operated by over 400
staff, which means Chinese
people not including another 200
in their corporate office.
And they have a dishwasher.
According to CEO Liam Chen and
sales director Ellen Hu.
This is this is so great.
The 100 million U.S. dollar
factory is currently making
approximately 40,000 pieces per
year, but it is capable of
expanding to over 100,000 units.
Racheen has been on an
aggressive international
expansion since 2021 and are
turning out to be a leading
player in the humidor cabinet
business with presence in over
40 countries and a growing range
of products.
The most recent addition is the
RR Cigar Humidor, a large cigar
humidor cabinet with rounded
edge design and unique premium
calfskin leather casing and
unique color schemes with names
such as Havana Tan, Trinidad
Brown, San Diego Red, Caribib,
BE in Black, and British Green.
No Nicaraguan color.
When you think British, you
think 2:00.
I don't.
I'm not Chinese.
That's what they're doing.
OK, I did make the.
Day I would think red would be
British you.
Think red would be British like?
Red Coats.
Why Havana tan?
Because everybody Havana tan.
I.
Don't know, sounds a little
Chinese people are racist.
Trinidad Brown.
They're profiling.
That sounds.
Really good point.
San Diego Red.
Makes no sense.
No, they're not a red state.
Like the 49ers?
You know what?
Everything.
Everything but San Diego Red,
British green is racist, right?
Havana Tan.
Trinidad Brown, Caribbean Black.
They're just keeping up with.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Relationship.
And British Green.
This is like one of my most
wanted humidors of all time.
Really my most my most wanted
cigar thing I'm.
Looking at them right now, they.
Kept the the big tall one with
the word yes.
It's like 3000 or $4000 or so.
Well, you get your stimulus
check, you're halfway there.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, is it much?
For the jet posse, get a used 1.
You can't find.
I tried this with Greg a while
back.
Now that you're in the business,
you know, yeah, now that you got
to have a place to put your
cigars.
Now that your blend boots the
blend master, are they making
blend master right, right.
That one I had I only paid
$800.00 for.
Yeah several years ago.
They should be cheaper now.
Is it a ray ching?
Well.
No, the one you had was a was a
regular cabinet.
Though the regular wooden
cabinet that said Rocky Patel on
it.
The ray chings are like all in
one temperature control,
humidifier control.
I love my ice box.
It is a cool oh.
Great.
Yeah, Greg made you the ice box.
Right.
Yeah, it is cool looking.
Yeah, that's that's amazing.
All right, Ellie Blue is
updating ashtrays now.
Filled with the segundos.
Because that's all I smoke.
Segundos.
This month, Ellie Blue is
introducing an updated version
of its Obsidian ashtrays.
Oh man, I can't wait.
Which will replace the company's
existing Obsidian ashtrays.
New Obsidian?
New.
Obsidian, we've eliminated the
Obsidians and we're replacing
them with Obsidians.
Yes, the new versions are being
sold as Obsidian Vacar
Collection.
Like the outgoing models, the
ashtrays are made from a single
piece of Obsidian.
Oh.
Which is carved and polished by
hand.
The Obsidian, which is volcanic
glass.
Oh, that's the dragon glass that
kills the White Walkers.
Is that it?
From Yeah.
Game of Thrones game.
Of Thrones that cools and
becomes stone comes from Mount
Ararat, a volcano a volcano
located in Turkey.
Ellie Blue says the Obsidian is
a 4 million year is 4,000,000
years.
Old.
Oh wow.
It's just laying around they.
Just found it, wow.
They just found it.
It's been there for 4 million.
Years somebody's been hanging on
to it.
For 4 million.
Years, yeah.
Four of the models.
Four of the models are replacing
existing models.
These ashtrays are priced same
as the items they are replacing.
Oh, so they did not raise the
price?
In most cases, the basic layouts
are the same, but the shapes
have changed slightly.
Well, they're handmade.
So listen, they're just the same
ashtray, just come by and
please, we need to get them off
our hands.
We gave them a new name.
Nobody's buying these things.
Yeah, like with the outgoing
versions they are offering in
black and bright.
What they do with the old ones
just throw them away.
No, they melted them down and
made new glasses.
You.
Can't melt the glass.
That's the whole reason they.
Threw them in the volcano.
They.
Threw them back in the volcano.
So Ellie Blue is French, so so
duty back in duty 40 million
years in the garbage.
Garbage.
Oh, new one, new one.
Nice.
Let's sell.
Look has new sticker each is
price the same as the model they
replaced the Ellie blue Obsidian
vacar ashtray that holds once
once a car at a time.
OK.
Is how much you can do Either
wait, you can do EUR or Freedom
Dollars?
This thing was just found in the
middle of some area near a
volcano.
Yeah, and it's 4,000,000 years
old.
Yes.
Wait, I'll give you a clue.
It's not close to as long as
they've had it.
So it's not 4,000,000 bucks,
it's not 4 million.
Dollars not 4 million dollar 150
bucks, 900 bucks.
Well, you guys said it at the
same time. 150. 900. 810.
Boom. 810, how did it?
First of all, how do you come
with the $10?
Because, because what they do is
they.
Carried the one, add the four.
Easy.
It cost $10 to make it and they
want to get even 8.
Actually, if you just give us
$810, it'll pay for all the ones
we threw back in the volcano.
By the way, I just looked at
these things.
Yeah, they're fucking beautiful.
They are.
They are.
They are.
Beautiful.
They really are.
They really are incredible.
All right, this one's a deal,
OK.
This one's a deal.
This ashtray holds 2 cigars. 2.
This is a deal.
I love smoking too at the same
time.
All right, so.
Well, maybe you and a friend.
Oh yeah.
You know what?
It's an ashtray.
That is a great audio clip.
I love smoking too.
At the same time, coming out of
Boots's mouth.
Incredible.
OK, what's the, what's the price
there, Mr. Bootsy?
Oh, this is another ashtray.
Yeah.
Oh, there's several.
This holds 2 cigars at one time.
It's probably like buy one, get
one half off.
So I'm going to go 1200 dollars,
12120 dollars.
He's relatively close.
I'm going to say something
obnoxious like 1340. $810 What?
It's the same price.
It's a deal, I told.
You It was a deal.
You know what it was?
Alfred forgot to fucking change
the stickers.
That's what happened.
All right, three Cigar ashtray
8. $110.
I'm going to stick at 1340.
$1100 OK, still a deal.
Who won that one?
That's a deal, too.
We're yeah, you're a little
closer.
All right, 4 cigars.
This is the biggest Vecar
ashtray they make.
Mikey, go first, who's the
winner?
1500. 1320. 01350 Oh my God.
There in.
Addition There are two new
models.
The Ellie Blue Obsidian Vecar
Ashtray Tobacco Leaf is designed
to hold one cigar.
There's also the Ellie Blue
Obsidian Vetcar Ashtray
Horsehead Ashtray, which can
hold up to three cigars.
Both of these models are priced
at 1515 dollars.
The leaf line is a chance.
It is made of soap.
I know, but the people are
getting.
Tired the dish soap they're
getting tired they're.
Getting tired?
That car hasn't even aired yet.
That car is a combination of
that which means fire, and car
which means stone Firestone.
Firestone.
Like the tires?
Oh, they are they round?
No, it's shaped like a horse
head.
Is the rubber?
No, it's nothing to do with
Firestone.
Ellie Blue says it will continue
to sell the previous models
until it runs out of inventory
of each skew, some of which are
already sold out.
Oh, so they didn't throw them?
Away.
Maybe there's a discount?
But they're the same price, so
why would I buy the new one?
Right.
That's what I'm saying.
You have to incentivize the
discount or something.
Of note, all the US dollar
pricing is rounded converted
pricing.
If Reyes International, Ellie
Blues American distributor,
chooses to sell these items in
the US, it's possible that the
American MSRP may be different.
We'll never see them.
Never say never, buddy.
Never say never.
Never say never.
Things happening you are not
aware of foundation signs with.
Brigham gone for two days.
A lot can change in 2 days.
Brigham, yeah, it's Brigham
Foundation signs with Brigham
for Canadian Distribution
Foundation.
Weyishipa International.
We ship at the COD International
League Foundation Cigar Company
has announced that it is that
it's cigars will soon be
available in Canada.
Brain Canada.
Really.
And he will be made Night of the
Canadian Roundtable.
The two companies have been
signed an agreement that will
see Brigham Enterprises
distribute Foundation cigars in
Canada.
Foundation says the first
shipment is scheduled to arrive
this month.
We've admired Foundation for
many years, not only for the
quality of their products, but
also for the unique storytelling
and marketing approach.
A said Richard Joseph, premium
cigar category manager for
Brigham Enterprises, in a press
release.
A Retailers and consumers across
Canada have been inquiring about
these cigars for a long time,
and we're thrilled to finally
make them available through
Canadian Tobacconist.
This is a meaningful addition to
our portfolio and we are truly
grateful for the trust that Nick
and his team have placed in us
to represent their products here
in Canada.
A.
A Founded in 19 O 6, Brigham is
best known for its pipe
business, but also for the
Canadian distributor variety of
cigar brands, including Crown
Heads, Espinoza Premium Cigars
Inc A That ends the story.
That's the end the.
End of that story.
I think that foundation needs to
come out with a limited edition
cigar.
Please tell me and I would do
like a Terence and Phillip.
Yes.
Foundation Cigar.
Do you need a Terence and
Phillip bar?
Is that the the two beer guys?
No.
No.
Let them keep going, yeah?
Who's another guess?
One other guess.
No, another guess.
That's the only guess I have.
It's the two Canadian guys on
South Park.
You, ma'am, are racist.
Yeah.
Oh yes, Terrence and Phillip.
And then we can give them like a
reggae theme because it's
foundation.
Terrence and Philly.
We can put like, yeah.
Steel.
Steel drums.
And reggae, it's like it's a new
blind.
All.
Right, and the latest issue of
Cigar Press put out a list of
the top 30 cigars every human or
needs.
I have the list.
You have the list.
Who put this out?
Cigar Price.
Fred Rui.
Oh yes.
You want to know everybody
that's on the list, Yes.
No, they have them in mild,
medium and full.
So there's 10 categories of 10
for everybody, yes.
Ten.
Well, you have to read the one.
I don't want.
First of all, Posani is not on
that list.
There, well, you have to read
the one.
Maybe just tell me, is Posani on
the list?
It's honorably mentioned.
It's honor.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
It's not.
Yes, it is.
I've got it right here.
I yanked it out of the magazine.
Honorable mention.
Honorable mention A Fuente and
company, Hemingway Black Label
Trading Company.
Where are we at Postagna San
Andreas.
Honorable mention so.
We're going to make the top ten
you.
Need to make the top 30.
Well, there's 10 in each
category.
Yes.
San Andreas would be bold, so we
didn't make the top ten in bold.
So do you want to know who you
were up?
Against I want to know who beat
me.
All right, A Fuente Company Opus
X.
Nope.
Ashton Virgin.
Sungrown.
Nope.
Devitoff.
Wait, did you say full and the
sungrown is full?
I guess this one is devitoff.
Late hour?
Nope.
Drew a state.
Liga Pravada?
Nope.
La Roma family creed.
I haven't had that one.
I don't know.
I'd still smoke with Sonia over
it, but it's I'm like I would I
would try that one.
OK.
LFD Airbender.
Nope.
My father, la Beju.
That's a good one.
That's a GAR.
The Drone 1964 anniversary.
That's that's an OK cigar.
It's not the best 1 you.
Said 50th Toro.
I'd be.
OK, tua he selecione de
quesador.
I'm only going to say nice
things about P chanting.
And finally, the Romacraft.
Yes, Neanderthal.
The Neanderthal?
Which one?
And it just says Neanderthal.
They didn't give the number,
they didn't get the letter.
Specific like they didn't say
the Bellicoso of Arcgar.
It looked like the HN on the.
Picture on the bottom of the
list.
I mean, if you'd have said if
honestly, the.
Romacraft was second from the
bottom, Tetwah tell you was in
the end.
I saved him Tetwah.
Hey, I saved him for effect to
be left.
Ah, got it.
Because like, if you'd have
said, well, I'd say, what are
the notables that are on there
that weren't Postonia?
And you said, well, Roma could
have Neanderthal.
I'd be like, all right, I got to
give you that one.
I didn't say him first.
Yeah, OK.
Well, congratulations to the 10,
to those 10, we're very yes
happy for you guys.
You deserve all the attention
and love that you get from media
sources.
And here we are.
Here we are.
OK, all right.
It's time for everybody's
favorite game.
What's the score?
They suck.
The first cigar for today.
Well, there's only one cigar
today.
So the cigar for today.
Oh boy.
December 3rd, 2025 Charlie
Minato, Black Label Trading
Company Cigars, Limited edition
Nicaraguan Review of the Black
Works Studio Killer B Maduro
Pyramid.
You're still doing new ones,
huh?
I like the new ones.
Charlie Minato.
Charlie Minato, You want me to
go first?
Yeah, Yeah, the.
New ones are at the top of the.
Page, I mean you, I just want
you to know, I mean, you've lost
this entire week.
You lost yesterday, and you lost
the day before as well.
I didn't just.
Be fair, he got the one dragon
stone ashes.
Yeah, the volcano glass.
That could be your volcano.
That could be your only win for
2025.
Just.
Could be.
Yeah, the week's the year's
almost over.
But hey, who knows?
All right, let's go, baby. 86.
86 Miami boots.
I don't think I've ever smoked
smoked.
I've smoked a killer bee before.
This is brand new.
This is a special edition killer
bee shaped as a pyramid.
Let's go money maker.
Cigars shaped like a pyramid.
Yes.
I'm I'm gonna go 82.
All right, Cigar reviewed Black
Works Studio Killer B Maduro
Pyramid.
It's from Nicaragua factory
Fabrica Ovahe Negra Rappers USA
Connecticut Broadleaf and
Ecuador Binder, Nicaraguan
filler, Nicaraguan, Length 5
inches, ring gauge, 54 shape
round.
And they smoked 3 cigars for
you.
Answering, we have a note.
As noted above, the sampler has
an MSRP of $312.00 and $13 per
cigar, and there are 1000
samplers each.
Each sample contains 4 Black
Works Studio Killer Bee Maduro
pyramids.
We have one more note.
My first thought is that it
looks like a smaller version of
the Roman Craftabax Craft 2013
La Campania de Panama Sobrera
Soberania Soberania.
The cigar was a 5 by 46 by 60, a
lot thicker than this release.
But the two cigars share a lot
in common.
The red hued Connecticut broad
leaf wrapper, the lighter
stripes extending the foot, and
the most importantly the unique
trumpet shape.
That's OK, Sometimes your cigar
looks like another person's
cigar.
It happens.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm going to tell you,
first of all, that Locum Panna
de Panama, Soberania, it was by
far one of the greatest cigars
I've ever had in my life.
It was absolutely delicious.
And I hope one day that Skip can
source the tobacco and remake it
because it was every bit of
fantastic.
And you're right, the reality is
that Skip is not the creator of
that cigar.
He wasn't the original person
who made it, right?
So it is what it is, you know.
Sure, things happen.
Maybe a Tiger Lily, a Carol
Baskin.
I mean, you know.
Sometimes things happen, that's
just the way it is.
We get it, only so many shapes
you can make.
Yeah, we know the Black Label
didn't go out and say hey.
Right, this is cool.
I want to make this one.
They made this cigar 12 years
ago, right?
So.
Nobody will remember, right?
Yeah, exactly.
I have these really cool shoes I
want to wear while I smoke this.
I'm going to slide up to an 88
booty.
Yep, I didn't realize it was
that size.
Let's take a 82.
OK, you said 88 too.
You said to understand him. 88
or 82?
Right, I can never understand.
Them clue #1 the flavor
development is impressively
dynamic, constantly shifting due
to the cigars pronounced taper
even early on.
Transitions from burnt toast and
wood into dark fruit sweetness
create an engaging and involving
profile.
Retro hills add yet another
layer, introducing roasted
notes, nuttiness, and hints of
dark fruits that keep the
experience interesting and far
from 1 dimensional.
I'm good at 88.
Booty.
I'm gonna go to 84, say like
that, I guess.
Combustion issues.
Oh.
Here we go.
Become a reoccurring problem,
especially in the second-half.
Cross the three cigars.
Multiple touch ups are required
to correct uneven burn lines and
sluggish combustion.
Even with the good smoke
production, at times the
inconsistency disrupts the
rhythm of the cigar and makes
the final stretch of the smoke
feel like work.
This is the stead of enjoyment.
86 Who's looking it up right
now?
No, no, I had to return a
message.
How much Stick 84?
He had combustion issues but
this guy has reviewed and had
combustion issues before and
this is not affected I.
Feel like he may have seen this
one.
No, I.
I don't I can't read.
There's a lot of work.
I think the only time I've ever
been on their website was when
you guys were getting ratings.
That was it.
OK, next.
All right, clue #3 there is a
notable bitter sick period in
parentheses near the end of the
second third where each cigar
turned sharply unpleasant for
several puffs.
The bitterness overwhelms the
profile.
Especially jarring for a cigar
built around toastiness.
I don't know what that word is.
Toastiness.
TERROIR.
Toron.
It's not Toron, there's no end
and dark fruit sweetness making
that section feel like a quality
dip before the flavor and evenly
correct itself. 82.
So he liked them in the
beginning, then he had a
combustion issue and now it's
been bitter and he's sick.
Sick period is.
That a thing?
For a couple of puffs, I don't
know.
It's in parentheses.
I assume that makes it real.
Generally what happens is he
starts to vomit at that point.
Cause.
'Cause it's winter.
Season.
Oh, he's got the neuro.
Yeah, the norovirus, Yes, the
new one.
We're all immune to the old one.
Yeah, so it's 82.
Yeah, I'm going to drop to an
8080.
Yeah.
At the end, it's very simple to
look back at my experiences and
chalk this one up to the unique
vitola.
Similarly to how you wouldn't
want to enter a low rider in a
race around an auto cross event,
art cigars are probably not the
best candidates to achieve the
highest score on a website like
this, the one where a handful of
combustion issues can torpedo
the number you see next to the
box.
That's exactly what happened
here.
From flavor perspective, this
wouldn't be the style of cigar
that I would blend, but I
enjoyed most of the 90 minutes I
spent with each cigar.
Unfortunately, after the first
third the cigar struggled with
strain, consistently lit.
If I were smoking the cigar at a
tailgate in between a light beer
and a hot dog, I probably
wouldn't care all that much, but
that's not the task here.
If you are a big fan of whiskey
or whiskey and like to taste
similar flavors in cigars, this
is worth a try.
However, from a technical
standpoint, it's a long way away
from some of the other more
normal looking killer bees I've
smoked.
I can't see Charlie at a
tailgate eating a hot dog,
drinking.
A beer?
I was going to say he looks like
a hot dog and light beer guy.
He thinks so.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's cashmere suit jacket,
right?
Cashmere.
Is that what Nike Air is made
of?
He has one.
Yeah, he's got, he's got one.
I see him more eating things
with chopsticks.
And oh wow.
Not because he's Asian, just
because that's that's why I
could see him doing that because
he's more I'm too good for a
fork.
Well, maybe he'll have Charlie.
He's not.
He's not pretentious by any
means, but I don't know.
I just picture him eating.
Anyway, maybe he picks up the
hot dog with chopsticks.
Not impossible as long as I cut
it up.
I mean, I have seen sausage
eaten with a chopstick.
And he probably does cut up his
hot dog.
Think so?
It's like Seinfeld where they
cut up the Yeah, it's dessert.
I'm cutting up the Snickers bar,
right?
OK.
I'm sorry.
Final score, gentlemen.
This is for all the money,
Michael. 82.
You're sticking to 82, huh?
I think so, yeah. 83.
Wow, you fucking signaled him.
No, I didn't.
Yes, you did.
You mad about?
I've been asking for him to do
it every.
Week.
You coughed, and you looked up.
Oh, I was looking away.
That's.
So I'd like to change mine to
84. 85.
It's 85.
Wow.
Come on, you beat him 85 to 95%
of the time.
I would have beat him today too.
I would have beat him.
No.
Well, I.
Paid 83 and then you complain.
He said 83 and then you yelled,
but he wasn't going to go 79,
that'd be.
Ridiculous.
He was at 80 the entire time.
What did you just say, 8282?
Wow.
Well, Mikey is legitimately
angry about the situation.
Because they sandbagged me, he
said.
And I went like this.
You got to throw him one every
once in a while in case.
You admit it.
That's fine.
He'll stop playing.
He'll take his ball and go home.
Wow, I.
Don't have a ball?
In this, that's why he showed up
late.
He was upset about losing.
He was not going 83, he was
going. 80 No, you know, I was
thinking in my head the whole
time this whole thing was going
on.
Yeah.
I was like, you know, I'm going
to do whatever Mikey says.
I'm going to go +2 only because
I always fucking lose by like
+2.
Is that the rule of thumb?
No, like I'm just like I've been
thinking about.
I'm like man I always fucking
lose because I always go like 2
under.
Somebody had to tell you that.
And he hits you.
He.
Didn't break that.
Down.
Somebody had to tell.
You No, no, no, no, no, somebody
said.
Listen man, here's your trick.
No, I was.
I was literally just thinking
that in my head when this whole
thing was going on.
You go first next time.
All right.
OK.
Anything else?
Damn I have to +200 average?
Oh yes, yes, we have some more
information I almost forgot.
Wow, forgot I'm here.
What?
Thank God I'm here.
Yes, keep me on track.
Just real quick, I don't want to
interrupt too much.
Too late.
Did you guys cover the Tyler
Jeffrey thing?
Are we not doing that?
The what?
What?
Tyler Jeffrey Thing.
He had a release with MO of the
leprechaun dust or whatever.
He had another one.
Yeah, last night you guys didn't
see it?
No, yeah.
Wasn't covered anywhere.
I mean I I stick 'cause I'm
looking for stories every single
day.
Leprechaun dust.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what he's calling it.
Oh, so it's not out yet?
No, he's making it.
Whoa.
I don't, I don't think it's, I
don't think it's released yet.
But he did say it is coming
soon.
Did Tyler make this one or like
the last time when he didn't
make it and but he considered it
Tyler's?
He supposedly said that he
created it because he was he
wanted to work with Candelo.
So there's a Candelo, but it
tastes nothing like candela
because he doesn't like candela
then.
Why does he want to work with
Candela?
Just paint it green.
He said that there was a certain
somebody there.
There's like some cigar blender
that's really good at using
candela.
Hiding Hiding the flavor of
candela, but using candela.
Well, he really wanted to work
with.
Him.
Was this like a Facebook live or
something?
Yeah, actually, I don't think it
was alive.
I think it was recorded because
they did like little leprechaun
dust words and stuff across it.
OK.
Oh, good for him.
Well, let's entertain this
because I'm going to tell you
that there's two candelas that
are worth a shit in the
industry.
Yeah, and by the way, I know the
one.
You're going to say which one?
The Femorian.
Because listen, I used to think
that the Femorian sucked, and
I'll say that right on here.
And then he smoked other.
I smoked it with Skip and they
got 'cause I told him I was like
bro, I was like there's only one
cigar I think I've ever touched
of yours.
I didn't like it was a Femorian,
I said, but I didn't really
smoke it.
Like I only smoked like one puff
and I didn't like it or.
Something.
No, no, I just didn't like it.
She's.
Never puffed something it
doesn't give it a chance.
No, because Ched always loved
them, right?
And then Ched was like, oh, he's
like, you should try this.
And I tried.
I didn't like it, so he gave me
one.
I just want the whole thing.
It was great.
I don't know what.
I don't know why the very first
one I ever smoked wasn't good
or.
'Cause you one puffed it.
No, maybe 'cause that was what
there was another candela that
was just released back then that
I really didn't like.
It was horrible.
It wasn't by Rome or anything,
it was by somebody else, but it
tasted like nothing but grass.
And I think maybe that was in my
head, like I was like already
expecting that and I just didn't
give it a chance.
But no, the Femorian is.
The illusion one's pretty good
too.
I never got the smoked up.
The Illusion 10 I.
Haven't had that one.
Hey, you want the information
now?
Yes.
All right, we don't know exactly
who was released, but supposedly
they all had pee pees as far as
we know, and there is a rumor
floating about that Davidoff may
be up for sale.
And that would that's why
they're trimming the fat.
Yes.
Wow, 'cause now to.
SCJ.
More profit.
Well, I mean, there's only a
couple of companies that can buy
Dabenoff St.
GS, definitely one of them.
Right, right.
That would be my pick.
They gobble everybody up.
Can you imagine if Oliva did?
If Oliva bought Dabenoff, yeah.
Good day goes right to Cigar
page.
Oh, they spent all that money on
that big.
Bill Oliva owns Cigar Page?
I thought that was SCG.
Nope, no SCG owned CI.
The competition they're building
next to each other up in
Pennsylvania, OH.
Yeah.
Wow.
They could throw rocks at each
other.
That's a big rumor.
Yeah, that's a big rumor.
From an insider.
Will they be sold?
Will dab it off be sold is the
question.
That would make sense why they
like I said though, right?
They just all of a sudden went
everybody's out.
You you heard it right here on
the number one cigar media
platform.
Yeah, none of you other bastards
have this information.
Wow.
So sorry, sorry I said it out
loud.
I meant to think that in my
head.
Say nice things about people
sometimes.
I like coop shirt.
Even if it is the wrong color
for the day.
That's the pants.
Oh, the pants.
Bad for the industry, OK.
Oh, that's it.
That's it guys.
That's all we got TuneIn
tomorrow when we might have more
information.
Yeah, tomorrow.
Yeah, tomorrow.
Tomorrow night.
What's tomorrow?
Friday.
No, we have no.
This goes up tomorrow, Monday's
episode, right?
Yeah.
We're doing a show tomorrow
night with Mr. Eric Espinoza
from Espinoza Premium Cigars.
Yep, all right.
Well, this concludes the
podcast.
All right, guys.
Thanks.
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Show Notes
On today’s show Small Business is shrinking and with it valuable jobs, Don’t eat shredded cheese!
Avoid the Winter Vomit Disease!, and In sports The Money Makers Give a bad tip! In Cigars China is ramping up some accessory production, we have more Elie Blue products offered, Foundation is going North and then an update about the Davidoff Layoffs!