December 15, 2025· 1h 4m

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today yet.

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Bing bong.

You're very pretty, Mike.

Thank you.

You know that that one wasn't as

good as.

No, I tried to be nicer today

because you complained

yesterday.

Glad we got that housekeeping

out of the way.

What did I complain about?

That I'm getting shots in.

That wasn't a complaint, it was

just a.

Yeah, it was just a statement, I

think.

Yeah, sounds.

Like you were complaining, it's

hard to tell the difference

anymore.

On today's show.

Snoop Dogg is not an Olympic

coach.

NASA has lost a spaceship.

Disney says if you can't beat

them, join them.

And then in cigars, Joshua

Haberski has been named one of

the top 2020 fives somethings.

LFD is releasing a new cigar.

Oasis has started making us

wetter.

We have wants to score a mini

game.

And then to round out the show,

we say goodbye to a legend.

All this and more on today's

episode 429.

All right, that we heard.

Hey, we said, hey, don't worry,

you're fine.

Don't make it.

You won't make any noise, all

right?

OK, I'm going to be super quiet.

Should I, should I not eat these

chips?

I'm like, the chips are not a

problem.

They're fine.

Just.

Don't.

Don't shut off your phone.

Don't shut off your car alarms

and make sure your phone's on

mute.

All right, well, go ahead and

jump to you.

I'll make sure you can come back

in and start over.

No, you're good.

Keep going.

That's.

Hilarious.

Before we get started.

Great Mikey.

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Have my my our soundboard guy

just walked away so.

Yeah, no, but the car alarm.

No, I'm here.

Oh, he's back.

Bing Bong.

Bing bong, that's my connection.

Now you left.

Oh, he's.

Gone right now.

The news.

Mikey, tell us about the news.

Well, he left.

How's he going to comment?

I'm going to have to read it

twice.

Right.

So, Boots, what'd you get going

on this weekend?

Well, you know what I was

thinking.

You got a you got a DJ thing you

want to plug.

Oh, actually I do have a wedding

tomorrow all.

Right.

Well, plug that.

DJ Boots Entertainment for all

your DJ needs, come on by.

So can anybody go to the

wedding?

No, this is.

Didn't we crash it?

This is a private one.

It's in.

It's in Saint Cloud actually.

Oh, Kissimmee Saint Cloud.

Yep.

Nice.

Actually, Robbie Doyle will be

there.

I'm sorry he's an avid listener.

Is he getting married?

He's not.

No.

Yeah, right.

Secret wedding.

Yeah, he's definitely.

Are you DJ ING?

I am DJ.

He just plugged that.

See, we tried to do something we

didn't have to repeat again as

soon as you came back.

And apparently it's anything we

say we got to repeat.

All right, back to the news.

All right, Mikey, tell us

nothing.

Snoop Dogg named honorary coach

for US Olympic and and

Paralympic teams If you had

Snoop Dogg becomes an Olympic

coach on your bingo card,

congratulations, you're living

in the right timeline.

Somebody want money on that?

Snoop Dogg has officially been

named an honorary coach for the

US Olympic and Para Olympic

teams, and somehow it makes

perfect sense.

What started as Snoop popping up

around Team USA events has

turned into a full blown

cultural crossover moment that

blends sports, entertainment and

straight up vibes.

This isn't about X's and O's,

this is about energy,

confidence, and showing up with

the right mindset.

Snoop has been everywhere around

Team USA, cheering, encouraging,

cracking jokes, and connecting

with athletes in a way that

feels genuine, not forced.

He's become a hype man, a moral

booster or morale booster,

sorry, and honestly, a walking

reminder to enjoy the moment

while you're chasing greatness.

Do you want to say anything?

I mean, there's more, but this

is where I pause.

How many people do you think

will log in and watch the

Olympics just to hear Snoop Dogg

talk?

Wasn't he in the last Olympics?

He was there.

I mean, he showed up everywhere.

He was everywhere.

So apparently he was parlaying

into this.

Well, he, well, he was like a

ambassador.

Yeah, he announced.

He was like an announcer and

stuff.

And now he's a coach.

So yeah, what's next?

You think he's a participant?

I think it's a little old for

that, unless there's a smoking.

Like a blunt rolling

competition.

Hash contest.

That'd be nice, right?

Who can get the highest not

jumping?

Who can get the highest OK?

All right, it goes beyond just

showing up.

Snoop is also partnered with Fan

with Fanatics to help raise

funds to support the Team USA

athletes, using exclusive

merchandise and activations to

bring real financial support

behind the scenes.

That matters, especially for

Olympic and Paralympic athletes

who don't always have massive

endorsement deals or year round

spotlight money.

It's not just vibes, it's

tangible help.

That kind of support hits

different.

Olympic and Paralympic athletes

live under the insane amount of

pressure, years of training for

moments at last seconds.

Having someone like Snoop

around, someone who's been at

the top of his game for decades,

brings a different kind of

perspective.

He's lived through the

spotlight, handled criticism,

evolved with the times and

stayed relevant without losing

who he is.

Carly Ham, and I don't think she

won't say anything.

Calling Ham honorary coach isn't

about pretending.

He's running drills, is about

recognizing leadership.

That doesn't come from a

whistle.

It comes from presence and from

putting resources where your

support is.

OK, so who do you think would be

better than Snoop Dogg to do

something like this?

Announcing or coaching or you

know, as far as I'm not talking

about just a coach, I'm talking

about just entertainment

purposes.

Entertainment purposes.

Yeah, I mean that that's what

he's doing.

Kevin Hart.

You think Kevin Hart?

That's a great pick?

Yeah, that's a great pick.

I don't know if he'd be as good

as Snoop Dogg, though.

How about you?

Fucking Will Rogers.

Will Rogers, I think he's dead.

Yeah, he's not gonna make it.

I like he's gonna make it.

Maybe Bob Hope?

Bob he also isn't he big?

Big supporter of the military,

so why wouldn't he support the

Olympics too?

Yes, he's dead also.

Yeah, all my icons are dead.

Leave me.

Alone, all your heroes have

passed.

All my heroes are gone.

Anybody else?

Well, Morgan Freeman's still

alive.

Who is?

Morgan Freeman.

Yeah, but I don't see him doing

that.

No, he's not that big a fan I

think.

Bill Cosby.

Sports, he's not allowed to run

people's Yeah, I got my jello

pudding with.

Me.

Wow.

I was going to say The Rock, but

I don't, I don't know if he

would just be standing around.

I don't.

I don't see him getting it as

involved.

Standing around.

Snoop is.

I don't think he has has added

entertainment value.

Right.

I think Snoop's a perfect

choice.

I mean, he's, he crosses all the

borders now.

I mean everybody, when I when I

did the story that I started

playing Snoop in the house and I

never listened to Snoop.

You started listening to Snoop.

Yeah, I said.

Yeah, Alexa, play Snoop.

Really.

Yeah, and I knew the first 3

songs.

I was surprised as you are.

Well, did you get hit with gin

and juice?

Yeah.

Yeah, that one played.

I don't, I don't know the names

of them, but that was the first

one I played.

Yeah, that one I can sing to

because I knew the words.

Did you get Snoop Dogg?

He.

Did the crossover into cooking.

He does all sorts of stuff, so

right, it's a perfect.

What about?

What about 50?

$0.50 He's too busy fighting

Diddy.

But it'd be a perfect timing. 50

would be good.

Perfect timing, yeah. 50 would

be good.

Didn't you think of any women,

any women celebrities or

athletes or something that would

be a good fit?

Yeah, the one that roasted Tom

Brady.

I was just thinking the same

thing of the.

Comedian.

Yeah.

She'd be hilarious.

She would be hilarious, yeah,

but she's not very clean though

as far as her act.

Glazer, Nikki.

Glazer.

Nikki Glazer.

Yeah, I'm.

Sure that she could.

She probably knows how to turn

it down and turn it up.

I mean, she's an entertainer,

right?

Yeah, that'd be a good fit.

What about the bad friend guys?

Look.

At those guys the.

Two comedians, Bobby Lee and the

redhead.

Oh, the comedian to do a

podcast.

Yeah, Bobby Lee's the Asian guy.

Kevin Hart is the ultimate guy,

I think.

You think so?

Kevin Hart would be funny, but I

think the way Snoop's doing it,

he's actually part of it.

I think Snoop's the best pick,

yeah.

Yeah.

I really do OK.

Not even terrific, Tom.

Brady Yeah, No, Brady Now

there's like a flag football.

There is flag, isn't there is a

flag?

Is there flag football?

No, wait, what is this What I

don't know.

There's flag football.

Is this Winter Olympics or is

this?

This is winter.

It's.

Not going to be flag football on

that.

No, it's too cold.

Yeah, snow flag football.

What if you did like a like a

ultimate panel like Tom Brady,

Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky?

I don't think that those guys

would would segue into really

great announcers per per SE.

No Dick Vito.

Who's that?

Boom, baby.

Still don't know?

NCAA give me another.

One basketball.

Oh yeah, I don't watch.

No.

The money these kids have to

have to do this is just

ridiculous.

I follow a couple of winter

athletes on on TikTok and stuff,

'cause it's entertaining.

Oh, and the one girl who does

the the rugby, I mean there's

this one girl, she she's a

bobsledder.

She had to come up with $4000

the other day to pay for the

rental truck.

She had to have to drive her

bobsled around Europe.

No kidding.

You would think if she's a

bobsledder though she would just

have like a truck and trailer.

She's in Europe though, she's

doing the European games right

now.

I guess.

Wow, there's no, there's no like

Larry over there that does this

thing for people.

Nah, she sells, uh, she sells

swag.

She's got a couple of count, she

put out a calendar.

She's got some sponsors from

back home like the like the

local BBQ place or something

sponsors her and stuff is just,

I mean you just don't think

about the kind of money they

have to have.

I wonder what the fanatic swag

looks like that Snoop is going

to.

From what I read it's it's

really nice and it's exclusive

and it's limited.

Is it?

Yeah, which I thought was

another good thing he's doing.

I mean, he's teamed up with with

somebody who provides gear and

he's doing his own gear for the.

Is it already available or no?

I think it is.

I'm curious.

OK, I'll check that out.

I'll look right now while you

talk about the next thing.

All right, NASA loses contact

with the Mars spacecraft after

more than a decade on the job.

There's people on it.

No, it's just a spaceship after

quietly.

How do you ruin every story?

I have this great story like

they're people.

So now it's not a biggest story

cut.

They're quietly doing his job

around Mars.

For more than a decade, one of

NASA's longest serving

spacecrafts have gone silent.

And engineers back on Earth are

working the problem.

So they're turn it on, turn it

back off, see if it works.

NASA confirmed it has lost

contact with the Mars orbiter

that's been circling the Red

Planet for years, collecting

data, relaying signals from

Rovers and helping scientists

better understand Mars

atmosphere and the surface.

The communication drop wasn't

planned, but it's also not panic

time yet.

I think I'd be panicking.

According to NASA, the

spacecraft stopped responding

during a routine communication

pass.

These orbiters operate millions

of miles away, so even small

hiccups, solar interference,

power fluctuations, or onboard

computers slipping into safe

mode can knockout contact

temporarily.

When that happens, a spacecraft

essentially shuts down non

essential systems to protect

itself and waits for

instructions if it can hear

them.

Oh, the particular orbiter.

This particular orbiter has had

a long, productive run for more

than 10 years.

It's helped map Mars, monitor

weather patterns, and most

importantly, act as a middleman

between Rovers on the ground and

Mission Control back on Earth.

In many cases, Mars missions

don't work without orbiter, like

this one quietly doing the heavy

lifting overhead.

NASA engineers are now cycling

through recovery procedures,

sending repeated Hail Mary

signals and waiting for a

response.

Just got to unplug it and plug

it back in we.

All I said that when you.

Were but they did that we all

know.

They tried that already.

You could do it again.

Then they tried Control alt

delete.

They tried that.

Control delete didn't work.

Either it's hard to unplug it

when it's in Mars.

Send somebody out there.

You know how long that takes.

You ever see Hot Shots, you

can't get anybody there.

You ever see you can.

But what was it?

Was it Hot Shots, Pardu or

whatever?

Yeah, yeah, with Charlie Sheen.

Yeah, where they're on the ship,

or is it the regular one?

Hot Shots I You know what?

I think Hot Shots didn't have

Charlie Sheen in it.

I don't remember anything in

outer.

Space they did.

No, I'm just saying how to solve

the problem.

Like the guy's hat blows off.

He says put so and so on a boat

to go get my hat and he's like.

Oh, the the ship captain's.

Hat it was a joke, it's not

tracking well already 'cause

you're fucking making it

miserable for me.

This is perfect.

Now I'm starting to get jaded.

OK.

All right, continue.

Follow.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the

the topic you brought up.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

How about your?

Kid, you kids in your fancy

movies.

Yeah, Charlie Sheen wasn't in

there.

Yeah, you, you said, Charlie.

Sheen was in the other one, I

don't remember the scene where

he shoots.

He was in Hotshots.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember the scene where he

shoots the chicken from the bow

and arrow.

So you have seen.

It I've seen that clip several

times.

This process can take days or

even weeks.

Space is unforgiving, and so is

Michael Impatience.

It's part of the job.

Unforgiving.

You're still here.

It's also worth noting that this

isn't uncommon.

NASA has lost contact with

spacecraft before.

Oh, they do this all the time.

Sometimes temporarily, sometimes

permanently, only to regain

control later when you're

operating aging hardware in deep

space well past its original

mission timeline.

Every extra year's borrowed

time.

Best case scenario, spacecraft

wakes up, phones home, and gets

back to work.

Worst case, it joins a long list

of silence that no still

orbiting Mars, having already

delivered more science than

anyone originally hoped for.

Either way, oh, sorry.

When you're good either way,

it's a reminder that space

operation isn't clean, easy, or

guaranteed.

Sometimes, even after a decade

of success, the universe reminds

us who is really in charge.

How much junk do you think we

have?

We've sent out this kind of

floating around in space at this

point.

You can track it.

There's apps and stuff you can

put on your phone where it'll

tell you like it's going over

you now, you know, And you can

see the just the the blip

through space of garbage.

Yeah.

Really.

They'll give you, they'll give

you the location of the things

that we left on the moon and if

you got a good enough microphone

or a microphone telescope, you

can find it.

Really.

Yeah, no way.

Sure.

Are you sure I'm?

Positive 'cause this is the

whole.

Conspiracy that never happened.

Well, yeah.

And that's one of the things

where they say that's how we

prove it it us.

I've never seen that image.

There's like a giant mirror up

there.

You can, you know, if you have

the ability, you can shine

something on or.

Something a mirror.

A mirror, yes.

They left the mirror, yes.

For that particular reason, so

they can bounce stuff off of it.

Oh, I thought it was like a

vanity mirror.

Or.

Something, yes, they left like a

little vanity mirror.

The guy dropped it when he was

combing chair right.

The ship took off and he goes oh

I dropped my mirror.

Where's the Tesla thing that

would they shot into the space?

The car thing?

Yeah.

Do you know where that is at?

Not personally, no.

It's probably going to Mars now.

Want to know where that is?

Maybe some guy.

Well, where's the car they drove

from?

From the movie where they flew

the Fiero in outer space, I

mean.

Fast and Furious.

Fast and Furious 17 or whatever.

That's not real.

That's not real, no.

Oh, but the Tesla car is.

Yeah, the Tesla car actually

happened.

Tyrese was really in space.

No, he's not.

That's a lie.

We should call him up.

Call Tyree.

You can.

He's in outer space all.

Right, let's go next, Next.

Coop's going to have Marlon

Wayne's.

Did you look up the fanatics,

Chloe?

I did.

I didn't see any Snoop Dogg

stuff.

Maybe there's a special website

or something?

Maybe.

All right, Disney, Let's Open AI

uses characters in AI videos.

Really.

Yes, that sounds like a

disaster.

Wouldn't.

Happen doesn't sound like a good

idea.

No, the Mouse House inked a

licensing agreement with Open AI

and invested $1 billion into the

company.

A billion.

They just had that laying on the

table.

You're about to see some wild

stuff.

Bart Simpson can Ding Dong ditch

the old guy from up.

And nobody's firing off a

That's because Disney just cut a

deal with Open AI.

And yeah, Hollywood's sweating

the Mouse House.

Oh, sweating.

Sorry.

The Mouse House dropped 1

billion equity investment into

Open AI and cracked open the

vault, licensing more than 200

Disney characters across Marvel,

Star Wars, Pixar and the core

Disney universe to use inside

Open A is Sora app.

Really.

You users can now prompt

animated or illustrated AI clips

starting these characters.

Important caveat, the only only

covers animated visuals.

No real actors, faces or voices

are getting sorified.

SOR is their animation AI.

Yeah, You saw Sora.

Sora popped up briefly.

Especially in the in our

industry, in cigar industry, you

saw a handful of dudes just

posting random things.

And I'm like, OK, this is not

going to last long because the

first clip was funny.

The second one, I was over it

already, right?

You know they're not.

Does it look real?

Semi real but it's it's still

limited so there's only so much

you can do.

You can tell you, I mean, it's

obvious and like I don't see the

value in it.

I don't see in in our space the

way that they've been, the way

they they utilize it.

It's not a a good way to it's.

Still kind of limited, yeah, but

I mean, like the videos with

them.

You know, I, I just fought with

a sword with some dude.

Now I'm lighting up a cigar off

to the side.

Yeah.

So I mean.

How was that?

But like 4 different people did

that same type of video so like

there has to be like the option

like smoke a cigar after you

have a sword fight or something.

Yeah, but it's just not even

funny.

It's not even.

It's not even interesting.

No, like you said, the first

time you're like, oh, this is

cool.

And then you know, by the time

you see the 4th company do it,

you're.

Like or the same guy do it 8 or

9 different times.

I'm like OK dude, I got it.

You got your you got Sora, not a

boy.

So are you excited about what do

you, what's the first thing

you're going to do with one of

the Disney AI characters?

He's got it on his only fan's

page.

Yeah, I don't know how to do any

of this.

Yeah, it's an app.

I've never used it.

He's.

Going to make videos of him

banging all the Disney

princesses.

No, he's not.

Are they animated Princess?

Princesses.

Princess.

I Prince, I said the the female

version.

Thank you, Palmer.

Oh, OK, maybe Princess then.

Palmer is not firing on all

cylinders of the.

Yeah.

What's going on?

Did you red light?

No, I didn't really.

I can't hear you well over

there.

You're not talking loud today.

Am I not talking loud?

Well, he can hear you.

He's got headphones on.

I mean the volume is the same.

I feel like I'm at the same

level here.

Maybe you're just a little

deafer today.

That is very possible.

As the days goes on or as the

days go by, he will become

deafer.

If you get.

If you become less and less

coherent to visually and

auditorial we.

Can always go back to the

headphones.

No, we're not at that yet, but

OK, so they they paid the money.

So you can do this.

You can do like I've been doing

the ones for Postana with the

different Christmas characters.

You can do like look alike, you

know, draw a look alike.

Right of Spider Man.

Of spider man.

I mean it's pretty damn close to

the actual spider man.

But if you say draw spider man

smoking a cigar to go oh, I

can't do that, it's a violation.

Oh I'm sorry, I forget the word

look alike.

Draw someone that looks like.

Right, exactly.

Spider Man.

Like I can't do that.

It's a violation of copyright.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I need a look alike of Mickey

Mouse smoking a cigar.

Oh, fine, here we go.

Perfect, right?

All right, So what does Disney

get out of it?

Money, control and a seat at the

table.

According to the Wall Street

Journal, Open AI is paying

Disney to use his characters

with guardrails in place to keep

things kid friendly and out of

fiction hell.

Oh, he's out.

Boots is out now.

Boots is out.

Sorry, Boots.

Some sort of generated clips

will even land on Disney's Bob.

On Disney Bob, Iger says This

lets Disney thoughtfully and

responsibly extend the reach of

its storytelling, which is CEO

speak for.

We're not getting left behind.

Industry folks say that move is

really about control.

Disney characters were already

popping up in AI videos without

permission.

This deal puts Disney in the

driver's seat and makes it the

first major studio to officially

green light Sora usage.

It's a historic pivot for a

company that usually protects

its IP like Scrooge Mcduck

guards his vault.

Don't think Disney suddenly went

soft.

Just a day before announcing the

open AI deal, Disney sent cease

and desist letters to Google,

accusing its AI tools for

generating content that leans on

Disney IP without permission.

AI caught 1-2 translation.

Open AI gets the keys.

Everyone else gets the lawyers.

Big picture Hollywood has been

dragging its feet on AI deals,

mostly because actors unions and

V visual artists are worried

about being replaced.

Disney just blinked first, and

once Mickey jumps, the rest of

the industry usually follows.

OK, so do you think that this is

good or bad for the

entertainment industry?

Think it was going to happen

eventually anyway.

OK, it's probably, you know,

it's the way it's going to go.

Aren't there some actors that

already signed deals where their

likeness can be used?

Yeah.

So I mean eventually, but we

won't even have actors anymore I

guess.

Yeah, you should be able to just

AI them.

Right.

You just AI everything, right?

I mean, you would think that the

movie industry with all the

special effects has had the

ability to do it for years

anyway.

Right.

What about you boots you think

is good or bad for the industry?

Entertainment industry.

I'm trying to figure out why

Disney gave money to Sora other

than to be able to sue other

people.

They invested in the company to

have control of the.

Company.

Yeah, but how does Disney get

paid paid from that?

Well they said Sora has to pay

Disney money to use it.

Open AI has to pay Disney money

every time they use Mickey

Mouse.

There's rights to that, You

know, there's probably more to

it than that as well.

I think that there's definitely

something to be said about

having your characters being

used on social media platforms

in a market space where they're

constantly looked at right

there.

There's significant value in

that.

Yeah, the more you see them, the

more they'll be utilized in

other things.

Yeah, the more you think about

them, more you want to buy the

the, the sweatshirt or the the

toy or, or you go to Disney.

Yeah, all that stuff.

I think that all of those things

are beneficial.

I don't know though, man.

You think that like we keep the

B word, the billions keeps

coming up in all of these

topics.

Like what are we doing?

And everybody's just throwing

this money around like it's.

Like they're everybody's got

billions to just spend boom

stuff.

Boom boom, you're hearing.

You're hearing it more and more.

I'm cool with an M.

With an M with no B just.

Yeah, just just an M.

An M would be nice.

I don't, but an MMM doesn't

necessarily solve a huge amount

of problems.

It's all sum.

We could get another camera or a

light.

We could, yeah.

We Yeah.

We can get a camera, man.

Yeah, we can get the one.

Because if we have a million,

it's going to be huge.

Then I guess you're going to

want a robot that runs it for

us.

Right, this one's a sword

camera.

Yeah, right.

I don't know.

I This is why I keep thinking

that there's going to.

So we're on this cutting edge

thing where AI is becoming more

and more apparent, right?

Right.

It just feels like 2000 tech to

me.

Fakey.

You know, when, when things

regressed and popped, like I

feel like you're gonna see,

you're gonna see a lot of this

money being thrown around on all

of these different platforms, on

all these different open AI or

whatever, ChatGPT, all these,

all of them and only one or two

I think will become the superior

to the others somebody.

Will rise to the top.

And you're going to lose

billions of dollars is going to

or will be lost on these other

companies.

So it's definitely a bold move

for Disney.

I don't know if it's the right

move, you know?

I'm sure they they did some type

of research.

You know, if we're going to do

this, who do we do it with?

Oh, I'm sure of that.

But that doesn't mean that they

won't screw it up.

They've screwed up plenty of

things.

Sure, you know.

Maybe maybe Disney did it and

they invested so that way maybe

they'll absorb them later once

it builds to a certain.

Level they can control it.

Yeah, makes sense.

I mean, but it, I know a billion

dollars is a lot of money, but

is it a lot of money to Disney?

No.

Or they're like, we'll just

raise the prices next year and

we'll cover this.

Disney Plus is going up, right?

It's going up $5 for everybody.

We need to cover our open AI

buy.

Well, Disney Plus pretty much is

on everything.

Like you buy a phone, you get

Disney Plus, you know, you, you

buy whatever service on TV, you

get Disney Plus, you know, so

they're, they're in everything.

They're pushing.

Yeah.

Well, that's how they get the

Billy.

You get Walmart, the shopping

thing where you get the

delivery, you get Disney Plus.

Do you get it forever or is it

like you get it for?

While you have those

subscriptions.

You get it for like 12 months

and then all of a sudden they

start charging you and you don't

notice and you're paying another

2990.

A lot of those things, some of

them are built into your bills

already, like your Verizon bill,

whatever.

Yeah.

When I lived out here, we had

HBO apparently connected through

the Wi-Fi service.

We had AT&T.

When we moved and cancelled the

Wi-Fi, we apparently we

cancelled the HBO too.

Yeah, the big companies have

figured out that the best way

for you to to for them to take

money from you is for you not to

realize that it's happening.

Right, exactly.

Yeah, your Wi-Fi service is $52,

but you don't know that 32 of

that is a streaming service.

Right, right.

And it's highly effective.

Yep.

Right, 'cause you know, when it

turned down, they're like, Oh

well, you know, I like watching

some on HBO.

It's free, right?

It's bullshit.

It'll do.

They know it's not free.

Right, right.

OK.

All right.

What do you got?

What's next all?

Right.

This is a cigar news transfer,

Michael.

We're going from pop culture

into cigar news.

Cigar.

News Now some cigar news Cigar

Oasis Plus 4.0 debuts just in

ahead of schedule.

That's how the Cigar Oasis

website describes the arrival of

the new cigar Oasis plus four

point O slow Cigar Newsday.

Sorry, it's new.

It's newest electronic

humidifier that wasn't moisture

until next year.

However, the company has started

selling the Oasis Plus Four

Point O 4.

Anybody want to guess?

300 bucks.

This is the four, the four point

O. 350. 199 apparently it's the

daily days.

Yes.

Still, the Oasis Plus is the

company's mid range option

marketed for large desktop

humidors or small cabin of

humidors.

It's an electronic humidifier

that must be plugged into a wall

outlet and use a two piece

design.

The bottom is a cartridge where

the water is refilled.

The top houses the fan control

unit and the rest of the rest of

it is the operational part.

Once plugged in, user set the

humidity to the desired number

and the humidifier turns on its

fan to draw moisture from the

reservoir and provide humidity.

Makes sense.

Water in fan go.

Water in, moisture out.

Yeah, the sensor detects when

the humidity has reached the set

level, which then turns off the

fan, obviously.

Makes sense and off moisture on.

Until it is needed to provide

more humidity.

Fan on bring up moisture.

Thank you.

From the outside, you know I

won't mind to talk and say that

in your voice.

Yeah, every.

Time fan on, humidity up.

From outside the Oasis 4 point O

looks very similar to the

three-point O model.

They're the same size, 6 inches

by two by three, and have the

same layout with a large screen,

three soft touch buttons.

Basically it's the same thing,

they just put a four.

Up here's what we're going to do

4 minute ABS and just crush the

five minute AB market like.

One last minute, same ABS.

Right, exactly.

The Oasis XL and Plus models are

nearly identical and also the

same size, but the Plus is more

powerful.

Fan oh there.

You go even a bigger Here's what

we did.

We added a fan that's more

powerful, 199.

But you'll never know.

Is it quieter?

No, the fan's bigger, it's

louder.

That's it.

Yes, it's like.

Cigar Oasis says that the unit

has smarter connections with the

Cigar Oasis app, which is

available for iOS and Android.

That allows for instant readings

of large temperature or humidity

swings, but less frequent

updates if there is no changes

in humidity.

So you can put it on an app and

you can control it from here,

from here.

Look, that's just insanity.

If, listen, if you're a cigar

person and you have a decent

humidor at home and you have

cigars and you feel the need to

check an app to make sure that

the humidity levels are fine, I

don't know what we're doing

here.

Hold on, it's my 12:00 humidity

check.

Didn't see you last night.

Sorry.

OK.

Well, also there's a charge it's

399 a month or 1999 per year for

the app.

How many of you suckers are

taking are are subscribed to

that?

Now I use the Gobi one.

You don't have to pay for it.

That little tile one that you

put in there?

For humidity.

Yeah, it just tells you what

the.

Humidity is how often have you

checked that thing?

I check it like once every three

weeks. 4 weeks but I put bovitas

in the humidor.

So once a month you check on

this app.

Yeah, but I also have a a a

grommeter.

Yeah, a high grommeter.

I also have one of those on the

front, but I don't always trust

that.

Is it digital or analog?

No.

Analog, yes.

It's not going to be accurate.

So you can't just walk into the

room and check it.

Yeah, you can't just look at it.

Are you not home once a month?

I mean, I can't, but I just have

it to dial in it's.

Just so much easier to look on

his phone.

I mean really, really, I just

put the bovitas and I, I really

don't have any.

Work, this is Yeah, this is the

latest.

That's right, you've got bovitas

in it, so it only goes to

whatever the bovitas are anyway.

This is wild to.

Me so he's checking the system

that doesn't eject.

Pretty much.

Can we start doing like a can

you tell us what day of the

month it is?

We'll put him make a part of the

show.

Right now.

Humidity of the week of the

month.

I checked my gobiat and I'm

running at 69%.

Sure, which is odd because I

have 68 bovitas in here.

Perfect 68 Bovitas. 68.

Bovitas oh percent. 68%, yeah,

not 68 different bovitas.

Well, yeah, I guess you could.

You could have the small ones.

Being super.

Wet Bing bong.

Super wet, right?

All right.

Joshua Hiberski.

Oh, our guy our.

Guy, he's got another award.

Our our PCA.

PCACEO and President named one

of the hills with the Hills is

the legislative magazine.

He has been named one of the top

lobbyists of 2025.

Now he claims he has been named

the top lobbyist, but he's just

one of them.

In the cigar world or in the

world?

In the world, Oh yeah.

Can I imagine there's not like a

whole lot of lobbyists for

scenarios.

There's probably 3 or 4, but no

he's.

Well, we knew that after this

whole California to boggle.

Right.

Joshua Bursky, the CEO and

executive director of premium

cigar association PCA has been

recognized by The Hill is one of

the top lobbyists of 2025, an

acknowledgement that underscores

his influence in Washington's

advocacy world.

Huberski's work centers on

representing the premium cigar

industry's interest before

lawmakers, regulators, a niche

he's been cultivating.

He's cultivated into serious

clout on Capitol Hill.

Under his leadership, the PCA is

pushed back against restrictive

legislation, amplified

grassroots engagement, and help

shape federal and state policy

conversations around tobacco and

specialty products.

The distinction from The Hill, a

respected nonpartisan outlet

covering Congress and the

political landscape, is a nod to

Habersky sustained advocacy

impacts and relationships he's

built across the the policy

community.

Bersky is also known for his

broader involvement in

government affairs, education

and thought leadership,

including work as a lecturer at

George Washington State

University Graduate School of

Political Management for the

cigar industry and the broader

world of trade association

lobbying.

This recognition isn't just a

personal milestone, it's signals

that even niche sectors can be a

major player in DC's corridors

of power.

Congratulations, Mr. Haberski.

Congrats, I'm looking at the

hill, the top list.

It's where it's really long.

It's it's a disaster.

By the number of people.

Yeah.

Yeah, it might be all of them.

I don't I don't know how many

there.

Are say grass roots is one of

one of the thing one of the

subjects as a.

Person.

Yeah.

No, he's yeah, He's in the

second category.

The second category, they said

corporate.

Yeah, he's in that one.

In corporate.

That's where I saw his name.

You got to look close.

There's a lot of people's.

Holy moly, associations.

It's it's associate.

It's got to be associations.

I I thought he was incorporate.

Corporate is the first one and

then associations is the second

one.

OK, whatever the second one is,

he was in that one when I

looked.

I think they're alphabetical.

They're not.

Oh yeah, they are.

ABC.

Let me see.

Holy moly.

Gee, there he is.

There he is.

Joshua Bershey.

Yeah, how many names you think

are on this list?

I don't know, I got tired of

counting.

Holy moly, there's a ton of

names. 250.

Maybe more than that.

So maybe all of them are listed,

all the lobbyists.

Congratulate.

But he's how?

So how does he determine his top

25?

Or no, nothing said he was a top

25.

He would of 2025.

Top lobbyists of 2025.

Yes, got it.

Not the top 25.

OK, he's changed his profile

picture on Facebook.

That's how I found out.

As top 20.

Five.

Yeah, there's a little.

No, not just of 2025.

Top lobbyists 2025 Yes, he did a

thank you.

What he did a thank you video.

Oh, did he?

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't see the video.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Speaking of videos, Michael, do

you have one for us today?

I do.

I'm sorry.

We should have done that

earlier, but I don't think you

were paying attention.

Yeah, while we're on the subject

of Joshua Haberski, was the PCA

was the one doing that

educational thing at.

At the college, yes.

At the.

College, right?

How did that go?

I saw some.

OK now I'm confused because I

saw pictures of people at 1 and

it was different people.

Yeah.

So there was one that that Mr.

Smoke Inn.

Was that Abe?

Yeah.

Was that the same one Joshua

was?

There I didn't true.

Oh.

OK.

Then.

It looked like they had a decent

amount of people.

Yeah, the people from executive

over in Melbourne went.

I saw their photos.

Oh, OK.

Oh, so you could?

I thought this was just for.

You could college students.

No, you could no no non college

students.

They wanted you to pay to go.

Alright, I'm sending this to you

guys right now.

OK, I have a top.

I have a clip from a top podcast

show.

Oh, from ours.

Alright, perfect.

Very controversial statement

that I wanted to controversial

bring up.

I have to.

Phone down below my head again

and everything the.

Top.

Yep.

So go ahead and listen.

Yeah, just listen to the auto.

Just keep away from the mic.

So when you put it in OK.

Beep boop, beep boop.

Got it.

That's the only spot.

On the Falcons Bucks.

I'm going to be.

I'm going to be there.

Yeah.

You're.

Going to be in the game, yeah.

So you can bet out the window.

All right, let's go.

We'll just do Tampa Bay on the

money line.

Tampa Bay outright, Yeah.

What's the spread?

4 - 4.

Tampa's -4 So you're saying

Tampa money line they just had a

bad loss.

The New Orleans The Sun.

The Falcons are looking rough,

man.

So the Saints division game?

I don't know, man.

I don't know.

That's a you.

Ain't going to take your home to

you.

Why was it on me for 75% of the?

Video.

All right, that's what I'm.

Taking because you know how you

get sometimes all right, so

money makers I want to talk

about this money makers because

you said.

Crazy game by the.

Way you said, hey, hey, here's

my pick of the week.

I'm going to take Tampa on money

line.

You didn't even take -4 you took

Tampa money line outright.

Win.

Bro the only thing I can tell

you is Vegas made the call

'cause they were winning.

Yeah.

And fourth quarter, they lost in

like what?

A Falcons scored two touchdowns,

3 touchdowns, 22 touchdowns in

the fourth quarter.

One super late, missed the two

point conversion.

Then they still get the ball

back and then they drive all the

way down with penalties.

They've had 124 yards of

penalties the whole game and

then they kick a field goal 1 by

I heard this this morning on the

radio and I was like, oh, they

lost their game.

So.

A must win situation for Tampa

Bay.

Yeah.

That was completely nuts.

And I believe that I said to

you, I don't know.

I don't think they're going to

win.

You actually asked do you think

they're going to win?

And I said no.

And money makers, I just, I got

news for you.

I think that if we just went

back and we tracked the money

makers betting so far, I just

have to pick the opposite of

what you pick at this point.

Well, I will tell you this.

One for three at the.

Moment I will tell you what I

did.

One for three.

He's done it 3 * 1 time.

He's been one time.

OK.

Alright, I'll tell you what I

did last night.

Though OK, tell me.

So I did, I did do my early bet

on Tampa to win, OK, for 40

bucks it was going to pay out

like, I don't know, $120.00, OK.

And then when I saw this fourth

quarter going how it was going,

I was like, you know what, I bet

you Vegas just going to try and

fuck everyone.

Here it is.

So I put $40 on the Falcons at

that point, which they were

down.

It paid out $260.

I made money even that late in

the game.

Yeah, you can live bet.

So I.

Mean they were, they were

winning, and you bet for them to

win.

No, they were down to times they

were down.

No, because I saw what was

happening.

I was like, these guys are

scoring the whole game.

They couldn't freaking really

score the Falcons.

And then all of a sudden in the

fourth quarter, it's like Kirk

Cousins is revived and Kyle

Pitts is catching everything and

these no name wide receivers for

the Falcons are catching stuff.

And then there was this one

really controversial call at the

end with the fumble, right where

Cousins fumble and they go, oh,

we don't know who had it, so

we're just going to give it to

the Falcons.

They said Ty goes a runner.

I'm like, this isn't fucking

baseball.

Ty, goes the offense.

Yeah.

I don't know who had it, so I

let's just say it was a Falcons.

So I was like, you know what?

So touchdown.

Falcons.

Oh, wait, sorry, no, they hadn't

gotten it yet, but they were.

Going out for that's what they

said next.

Oh, they were going down for the

field goal.

I was like right before that,

though, I had placed the money

because I was like, they're

going to let these guys go all

the way down.

That's what's going to happen.

It's not Tampa Bay's letting

them go down.

It was the IT was really the

referees because then there was

the one where he caught it and

he went out of bounds at the

end, the Falcons player.

Yep.

And it didn't look like it was a

catch.

I just kept it going.

Yeah, there's like, oh, it's a

he's looking.

The referee's like looking at

him and he's like, oh, it's in

bounds.

Like it was.

Moving frantically for those of

you who can't see him, Yeah.

It was not in bounds, but hey.

He was mimicking the move of a

running back going down the

field.

So, but more importantly, you

know, it's kind of odd, it's

kind of strange that your picks.

My pick was wrong.

And you know, and now, like you

say that like you did this other

pic later like, oh, I've changed

this.

No, I did.

I did change it.

I don't know.

I don't know there's.

Got to be some way he can tell

all his fans that he changed his

bet.

Well, you got to be.

Everybody that took the

information and lost.

You got to be in the group.

You know what, like the, the,

the only thing that we can do

now, the next step of this is

that he actually shows the

screen of his bets and we post

them.

We post them and we post them.

I could show you the screen.

Well, not now.

Camera on me.

I could show you the screen so

thank you so much.

Oh, you were at that game.

Yeah, I was at the game.

You were probably freaking angry

as hell.

No, I figured, Nope.

I kind of had that sense that

that was going to happen.

I'm like, this isn't good.

They're they're not stopping.

The opposite of what you said.

So a couple things happened.

Well like 1 is so you know,

we've jax had a football game.

So then we arrived.

We were, we were at the game a

little late.

And so we sit down and Jack's

look, Jack stands at all these

games.

Yeah.

Yeah, he stands.

You get another fight.

What did you get another fight?

Kind of so.

Oh yes.

So, so the guy says to me,

excuse me, can you have him sit

down?

And I turn around very politely

and I said, I'm sorry, he's

going to stand the whole game.

And he goes, what?

I said, I'm very sorry, man.

He's going to stand the whole

game.

He's a kid.

He's a kid, you know, and if

he's in your line of sight, you

can just, you can, or you can

stand up or whatever.

Yeah, Jax is what, 3 1/2 feet

tall?

4 feet tall, Yeah.

He's taller than 3 1/2.

Yeah, but this guy could stand

up and see over.

Yeah, so, so I turn back around

and the guy says just like that.

Controversy.

How much cash you get on you he

needs to bail money and.

There was something, dude.

No, this guy disappeared.

He just.

Disappeared.

I was like, so then you hit him?

No, I was like, yes, I don't

know.

I'm just so comfortable in that

space.

It's weird.

Was it closed fist or open fist?

Oh, so so then was.

It like a was it like a Will

Smith slap?

He.

Was an older he was an older

guy.

Oh, he.

Took pity on him and and just

punch him in his stomach.

So I said I I was like, oh, OK,

So then he's like, I paid good

money for these seats.

I said, oh, OK.

I said, well, I got to tell you,

I pay good money for these seats

and I've been paying good money

for 10 years, so he's going to

stand and turn back around.

Hit you in the back of the head?

No, don't just beer on you.

I think I think he moved.

He changed seats with his wife.

What a what a clown.

Bro honey, change seats with me.

This guy's an asshole.

Wild man, people are out of you.

Should have asked me if he was

related to that last crazy lady.

You.

Know what happened to the last

guy?

You sat behind me, Sir.

That's why you got to buy the

tickets.

It was probably his wife because

it was a lady last time I think,

wasn't it?

No, I think it's always.

Been a guy.

There was one lady with Brittany

where she had she addressed, oh,

that's scary.

She got to address somebody at

Jax's game last night, too.

I was like, uh oh.

I don't think Brittany is as

political as you.

Because, you know, like when you

play flag football, sometimes

you grab shorts when you're

trying to pull flags or

whatever.

Yank the kids pants.

Off oh, they call it flag

guarding if they.

Think, yeah, but like, so one of

our players, I don't know if it

was my kid or not, but one of

our players tried to grab and he

snagged shorts a little bit, but

he instantly let go and then

went back to trying to get the

flags.

And then like the next play

after that, so this lady yells,

they're trying to pull the

shorts.

And apparently Brittany was

close to this, this girl.

So, so she's like, I can't

stand, I can't sit next to this

person.

So she moved her chair and then

she this lady yelled at again,

they're pulling the shorts.

So Brittany goes, they're not

trying to purposely pull shorts

like she erupted and then we

didn't hear anything from.

Lady get up in life.

That entire crowd the rest of

the night.

Fear of their lives I gotta.

Go.

I gotta go.

So yeah.

Mikey's keeping this very clean

for everybody.

There was a lot more said.

No, that was it.

The coach looked at me and said

the coach, the coach on the

other side goes, what's going

on?

And I said, OK, well, here's

what happened.

Is somebody on your side yelled

something about shorts?

And then my wife said something

back to that person.

He's like, OK, I'm like, as long

as we're fine, that's their

problem.

Like that's not my issue.

Was that that guy's wife?

Like, do we need to fight?

Are we fighting 'cause this is

what's?

Going on, no, they were pretty

cool.

The coaches weren't bad

yesterday so.

Very high temperament.

It's a very brief glimpse into

the likes we have.

We don't really talk anymore

about personal stuff or, you

know, personal coaching or

anything.

Like it, It got scary.

Got scary.

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EGM Cigars officially lands in

the US.

What started as a European house

brand has officially crossed the

pond.

EGM Cigars is now being sold in

United States.

A Swiss cigar retailer, Etor

Gabrielle Moschellini, launched

the EGM brand in 2022 after

years of running.

Is your hand OK?

Oh, I thought you were just

twitching.

I am not OK.

A successful online business

near the Italian border.

While he While he built his

early following selling Cuban

cigars, customers kept

gravitating toward his own

Dominican made brand, EGM,

smartly stamped with his

initials.

As Cubans became harder to find

and more expensive, EGM picked

up steam and quickly built an

international following.

Three years later, the momentum

pushed EGM into the US market.

Or Shirali is clear.

EGM has never meant to be a

Cuban substitute.

It was built to stand on its

own.

EGM and its sister line and

parine are now distributed

stateside by City of Palms out

of Fort Myers, FL, with plans to

exhibit at the next PCA trade

show.

Both lines are produced at the

ABAM factory.

Abam.

Or is it ABAM?

Abam.

It's in capital letters.

A Bam.

A BAM factor.

I want you to say like this

though.

A Bam A.

Bam, back to the Dominican

Republic using all Dominican

tobacco.

The core EGM line comes in 11

sizes.

Oh my Lord.

From petite coronas and lanceros

to modern big ring gauges with

pricing from about $16.00 to the

mid 50s.

There God most landing in the 20

to $30 sweet spot.

That the sweet spot now 20 to

30.

Dollars.

I don't think so.

I don't either.

Empyrene is a smaller, more full

bodied line featuring older

tobacco aged at least five years

in larger formats.

Both.

Oh, bottom line, EGM isn't

easing into the US.

It's arriving with confidence, a

clear identity and already

proven global following.

I mean, I have a small issue

with this article.

OK.

The way that they said, well,

it's not supposed to.

It's not a competitor or

replacement of Cuban cigars.

He says that.

Yeah, like that doesn't sound

like a reigning endorsement for

your brand.

And no.

And the fact that he made his

brand is because Cubans were

getting harder to find.

Yeah, yeah.

Like none of that makes sense.

No.

So, you know, well, what is it?

So, so for one, do you think, do

you believe that Cuban cigars

are better than New World

cigars?

Because if that's the case, then

why are you making new world

cigars?

And if you're making new worlds,

like, I don't understand what's

going on here.

Oh, double negatives.

He had a shop on the border of

Italy sold Cuban cigars.

Cuban cigars got harder to get,

so he said I will make my own

cigar.

And you know what?

They need 11 different vitolas.

11 different vitolas.

Not only 11 different Vitolas,

but they're not as good as Cuban

cigars.

Yeah, but they're still, they're

good.

They're just not as good.

Not a substitute for here, it's

just another cigar.

Like what?

What are we doing?

Well, I'm selling so many.

I'm coming to the US.

We're.

All 11 vitolas.

Taking like, I don't know this

guy.

I'm not trying to, I'm not

trying to smash.

This guy can.

You name 11 different vitolas.

Can I name 11 different vitolas?

Probably, yeah.

Yeah.

All right, I'd have to.

It would.

It wouldn't be easy.

Right, so this guy literally

makes every vital almost.

Well, I mean, there's got to be

more than 11.

I didn't, I didn't even realize

there were 11 different ones.

I mean I know you can do a

different size, but does every

different size have a you know?

Like if I did a a a 6 1/2 by 57

does that have a name or is it

just a 6 1/2 by 50?

7 It's a different size though.

Yeah, you can name it whatever

you want.

Nobody's going to look at the

vitola size.

So there's not like an official.

Official list.

Somewhere there is there's an

official list, but the, you

know, like the whole creator

art.

Yeah, you can call it whatever

you want.

Right this.

This is a loopy loopy.

This is medio tiempo.

What does that mean?

So, so wild.

This is the Bing bong.

Oh, that's a great size, Yeah.

Great size.

It's a industry.

Standard comes in a Bing bong.

Comes in a Bing bong.

Like it's got like it's bulbous.

It's got like a yes in the

middle bulbous.

In the middle right, small in

the ends, big in the middle

right.

I forgot to pull a What's the

score?

But I have another story.

You forgot to pull.

What's the score?

Yeah, I meant to do it this

morning and then I didn't get to

it.

And then other things started

happening and I just realized it

because I know it was going to

go before this.

Unless there happens to be 1

here, we might be surprised here

in a minute.

All right.

And finally, WWE legend John

Cena announces his retirement.

One of the biggest stars in

professional wrestling history

is officially calling it,

calling it a career.

WWE icon John Cena has announced

that he will retire from in ring

competition, closing the book on

a legendary run that helped

define an entire area era of

sports.

CNN debuted on WE Television in

2002 and quickly became the face

of the company, carrying WWE

through its post Attitude era

and onto the modern age.

Over more than two decades, he

became a 16 time World champion,

a multiple time US Champion, and

a cornerstone of countless

WrestleMania moments.

Whether fans cheered him or

booed him, John Cena was a must

see TV beyond the ring.

Cena successfully crossed into

Hollywood, becoming a major box

of his draw while still

returning for Special WE

appearances.

He also earned massive respect

for his charitable work,

granting more Make a Wish

request than any other celebrity

in history.

Sounds like a good guy.

Yeah, he does, don't he?

I've seen some interviews.

He seems like he is.

While his retirement marks the

end of an era, Cena's influence

on wrestling will be felt for

generations from You Can't See

Me to Never Give Up.

John Cena didn't just headline

shows he became part of West ES

identity, and even as he steps

away from the ring, his legacy

is already untouchable.

Sad day.

So he's there's no more matches,

it's over.

There's one more one more match

he's doing like next week or

something then.

Next week and that's it.

So no WrestleMania and none of

that stuff.

Unless he comes back as some

type of announce or something,

he's not going to wrestle.

Any right?

Do you follow this closely or

no?

I thought his last match was

going to be at WrestleMania.

Right.

Me too, yeah.

Is that I saw a poster today.

I assumed it was coming up soon.

Was it not when I was doing

research for this little story?

Yeah, I mean, it's probably

coming up soon.

Because there was no actual

story, there was just people did

videos saying he was going to

retire.

Because WrestleMania is like the

Super Bowl.

Right.

It is for WWE, OK.

Unless he's got an injury or

something where he can't.

Maybe that, maybe that's it.

Because I mean, those guys beat

the hell out of themselves.

And when you get older, man.

There's no stuntman, Yeah.

He has been around for a long

time.

OK.

Do you have a what to score?

No, unfortunately.

OK, so here's what we're going

to do.

All right?

I have pulled up a recent

article here on Half Wheel, OK,

and I am going to do host.

What's the score?

Because I know that you want to

play this game.

Yes.

So without further ado,

gentlemen, it's the score.

Where Palmer gets to play.

OK, so I'm looking at the first

article here and it's going to

be the Florida Las Santillas San

Andreas.

Toro, December 11, 2025 By

Brooks Whittington OK Palmer

Palmer, you are our guest today,

so you get to pick.

Your first score floor lesson

tilas.

I'll go 86.

OK, Standard 85.

Don't critique my every.

I didn't.

Hey, this is how the game's

played.

You want to play?

Here we are.

OK Cigar review Florida Lesson

TS San Andreas Toro Country of

origin Undisclosed factory

Undisclosed wrapper Undisclosed

binder Undisclosed filler

Undisclosed Length 6 inches Oh.

At least they told.

US Something Ringgage 54.

It is pressed.

MSRP $13.

Available November 2025.

Regular production cigar smoke

for the Review 3 Hallmark.

I'll stick at 86.

I mean, everything was

undisclosed.

You know nothing about it.

Yeah, I feel like my score is

going to be undisclosed 85.

OK, now look, I'm just weighing

this, so it's not going to be

perfect.

Each of the three cigars starts

out surprisingly light, with

virtually no spice or pepper and

a slightly bitter dark chocolate

note.

Very shortly after lighting the

cigars, distinct flavors of

powdery cocoa nibs and creamy

almonds take over the profile,

followed by secondary notes of

bitter espresso, cedar,

barnyard, plain oatmeal, tree

bark, and light cinnamon plain

oatmeal.

But.

Then he takes plain.

Oatmeal, but then he takes

cinnamon later.

What have you put cinnamon in

your Romeo?

Who knows Palmer?

I'm going to go 84. 84 I'm.

Going to go 86. 86 OK During the

second third, the amount of

spice on my tongue picks up

noticeably for the first and

last cigars, while the second

cigar continues at about the

same level as the first third,

main flavors of dark chocolate

and coffee beans emerge.

More coffee beans than dark

chocolate for the second cigar,

along with additional flavors of

cocoa nibs, toasted bread,

cinnamon chalk, earth, cedar,

leather tack, and dry hay.

The retro Hale features slightly

more black pepper and

significantly more Raisin

sweetness, and while the citrus

peel note is now present on the

finish all on all three cigars,

the second cigar has the most.

What is a Coco name?

I always wonder what a Coco.

Name is great question.

Write that down.

All right.

Thanks for the question.

Coco name is I'm going 87. 83.

We're just flip flopping back

and forth, OK?

Clue #3 The final third sees a

new combination of toasted bread

and gritty earth on top of the

profiles, but there is also a

quite a bit of the powdery cocoa

nibs from the first third

present, along with coffee

beans, cinnamon, cedar,

barnyard, pencil lead and

granola.

As the final third burns down,

the amount of spice on my tongue

continues to increase, and while

it does have a slight impact on

the overall balance, it never

becomes overwhelming.

Is there a final thought?

Yes, I'm going to stick at 87.

81. 8781 OK.

Right, the difference.

Final thought, I have enjoyed

quite a few of the Flute Less

and Tia cigars in both blends in

the past, and a new My Father's

cigar is always one I am eager

to try.

The Flute Less and Tia San

Andreas Toro is full of

chocolate notes with powdery

cocoa nibs dominating the first

and final thirds, while dark

chocolate is a main player in

the second third and an ever

present Raisin sweetness is just

icing on the cake.

Yes, there were some problems

with the burn line at various

points and the flavors in the

final third were not quite as

distinct as the first 2/3, but

even with those minor issues,

the Florida Listen Tia's San

Andreas Toro is an extremely

enjoyable blend that is well

worth trying out.

Palmer.

I'm gonna go 90.

Boots 89.

Have you seen this?

No, it's 90.

Wow.

Boom.

Boom, wow, and now you got two

people teeing off on you.

How's that make you feel?

You haven't seen this?

No.

Do you even know?

What cigar this is?

Have you smoked this cigar?

I can't.

I know the name but I can't

picture it in my head.

I got to be honest, the way that

you guys were rating it off the

off the jump, I was like, you

guys are way off because it's

Brooks, even though it says on

his clothes, you have reason to

believe that it's it's from

Nicaragua.

But if it's not, it could just

be the, the, the leaves that

they grow there or they, that

they, and then they brought them

over to their Honduras factory,

right?

Could go either way.

You said it was all undisclosed

for factory.

Yeah, but then he said it was my

father.

Correct.

But they have a factory in

Honduras and a factory in SLE,

so or maybe they just had

somebody else make it, who

knows.

So you guys were rating it

really low for Brooks.

I'm like, oh man, this isn't

going to do it.

And then you popped at the end.

Both.

I just jumping around in the

middle.

I mean, it doesn't.

You don't have to track your

score based on what you're

saying.

You just listened and then the

final score, the final thought

sort of gives it away.

I was trying to bring Palmer

down.

Yeah, I figured you were.

Yeah.

Wow.

I was like, man, maybe he'll

follow.

Nope.

I think, I think that if I was

going lower, he might go lower.

I don't know if I would trust

you.

It's not like you have a

outstanding track record of just

crushing at this game, really.

Weren't saying anything negative

Show Notes

On todays show Snoop Dog is now an olympic coach, Nasa has lost a space ship, Disney says if you can’t beat them join them, then cigars Joshua Habursky has been name one of the top for 2025, LFD is releasing a new cigar, Oasis has starting making us wetter, we have a what’s the score mini game and then to round out the show we say good bye to a legend…..all this and more on. Todays episode 429