ACHP Episode 435 Robotaxi and Epstein Save Christmas
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Welcome to the Cigar Hustler
podcast, episode 435.
It's December 23rd, 2025.
I guess I should have read that
in a different order.
I'm Mike Palmer, the host of the
show, and with our engineer
boots, I like Turkey on
Christmas.
HIPAA Lazer.
We are here for the next 60 to
90 minutes, bringing you all the
news that's unfit for normal
podcasting.
It's almost Christmas.
All right, in today's show,
Robotaxi has a problem no one
considered.
How did Hallmark go from cards
to Christmas movies?
We have the Christmas movie
everyone has wanted to see, and
then in cigar news, Fiero Tego
has a celebracione, Bocock is at
it again, and finally, Fonseco
Norde is headed north in a
season and he wants to score.
But before we get started, on my
left, as always, he's bigger
than a bread box, but smaller
than a silverback gorilla.
Mike, I want to bring back lion
dogs in 2026, Stepan Kevitch
Lion dogs.
Welcome Mike.
He did a show.
Thank you for having me, Mr.
Palmer.
Yes, lion dogs.
What's a lion dog?
Oh, they're hot dogs.
Hot dogs made out of lions?
Yeah, he did those for a good
6-8 months.
The rock did it.
The rock did it.
Called them lion dogs.
Oh, I don't know.
I wasn't.
I wasn't on that one.
You don't know our Lord and
Savior Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
No, I know.
All right, Mikey, how do we get
some of that chapter pod swag?
By the way, I checked again,
still can't find the hat on the
choices of things that we have
were.
You wearing your glasses?
Interesting.
Yes, there is no page 2.
It just scrolls indefinitely.
It's a you problem.
Has anybody ordered it?
Yeah, yeah.
But now on YouTube, when we put
up a thing, if he wears a shirt
that we make or I wear a shirt
or you do well, they can't see
you that they make.
We can tag it in the show so
people will look for.
It yes.
Oh, like on our Bonnie I.
Don't know how it shows up but I
I marked that with somebody wore
it and then it I think it puts
it at the bottom of the screen
or.
Something you can, yeah, but you
can draw the put the image on
it.
It's pretty nice.
What you want to do is go on to
Chapter pod.com and check out
our latest.
Dot com or.com you said chapter
pod.com like there could be an A
there.
Chapterpod.com and go check out
our latest swag.
Buy one, get the 2nd 140% off,
spend $100 or more and get free
shipping.
I'm I'm going to get the
hoodies.
I'm going to have hoodies for
you.
Don't worry.
Is there hoodie orders out
there?
No, the beanies I mean.
The beanies.
The beanies, yes, we got.
We want the beanies.
I'm going to have the beanies.
I'm going to have beanies for
you.
Perfect.
I promised Buchi I'd have one
for Christmas.
I still got time.
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What are we smoking today,
Michael?
We are smoking the Bam, how's
that the?
Bam.
Twist a little no like.
No, the cigar.
There you go, up too far a
little.
More.
A little more right there.
Perfect.
The crown heads Tennessee wall.
It was under your a thumb.
A thumb, the robusto Gordo,
whatever size that's called.
Robusto Gordo.
Yes, very interesting stuff.
All right, I'm with the news.
A news robotaxi is a problem no
one thought of.
OK, Waymo's robotaxi experiment
hit a very real world speed bump
this weekend in San Francisco.
Can't wait to hear.
This.
It wasn't traffic, it wasn't
weather or human error.
You guys want to guess what it
was?
It wasn't traffic or human
error.
Correct.
It wasn't traffic, weather or
human error error.
Animals.
Boots.
Fire hydrant.
It was the power going out.
A.
Widespread blackout that began
Saturday afternoon knocked out
electricity for roughly 130,000
customers at its peak, and the
ripple effects were felt well
beyond homes and businesses.
As traffic lights went dark
across parts of the city,
Waymo's autonomous vehicles
suddenly found themselves in
unfamiliar territory.
What do we do when the lights
don't work?
Literally frozen place.
Photos and videos quickly spread
across social media, showing
Waymo cars stalled in traffic
and able to proceed once the
stop lights went offline.
They didn't know what to do.
They didn't know when to.
Go 'cause there's no red.
Lights.
No red, no green.
What do we do?
We're just going to stop right
here.
We're just going to wait for
them to come back.
On.
Don't worry.
Without functioning signals to
interpret, the vehicles
reportedly entered a safe freeze
mode, bringing rides to a halt
and creating visible congestion.
Waymo responded by retrieving
its vehicles and pausing
robotaxi service across the city
until Sunday.
While the company framed the
pause as a safety first
decision, critics say the
incident highlighted a larger
issue with autonomous
transportation.
A researcher to the MIT Center
for Transportation told CNBC
that the failure during what he
called the entirely predictable
power outage raises serious
questions about readiness.
Cities lose power, it happens,
and any transportation system
meant to scale has to be able to
function or at least adapt when
infrastructure fails.
This episode doesn't mean
robotaxis are doomed, but it
does under score how dependent
they still are on perfectly
functioning environment.
Until autonomous systems can
handle common urban disruptions
like blackout, skeptics argue
that they're not quite ready to
replace human driven
transportation.
So we need a apocalyptic mode
for the.
Apparently, yeah.
Something, something like that,
right.
Zombie apocalypse.
I mean, so obviously they have a
camera that reads the light or,
or is it like the fire trucks?
They have a sensor where they
can.
I know they can't turn the
light, but I mean do they
visually see it?
Like a camera.
Yeah, like the car does.
They have a camera, they
visually see the light as red
and they stop or it emits like a
signal.
Probably this sees it.
Huh.
So you would think they got a
yeah, some type of a apocalypse.
A setting where they can tell
yeah, where they Nope.
Where they can tell if the
lights red, green or not on.
Right or yellow.
It's got to be more than that.
I mean OK if the light was green
anyways, but a car from the left
or the right, you know, ran the
red light.
Multiple cameras, yeah.
There'd be multiple cameras,
right?
Well, there's.
The thing on the top I guess.
Yeah, So wouldn't the car
register and go?
It's not smart enough to go.
Oh, there's no light here.
I'll just treat it as a four way
stop.
Apparently not.
Well, it's one of those logic
problems where it says light red
stop, light green go.
There's not like, no.
Light on, no lights.
You don't know, but don't know
the light I see, I don't.
Right, yellow.
Hurry up.
Go faster.
And speed up through it.
Maybe this guy's not from
America that created it.
Who was it?
Yeah, well, the the lights are
the same in every country.
It's the ones I've been in.
Like in China, there's still
red, green and yellow.
And they?
Just don't pay attention to
them.
But red means go.
Yeah, but red means go yellow,
yellow means stop and.
Green means slow down slow.
Down.
It's about to turn to red.
Yeah, OK.
That's good.
So would you get in one of these
cars?
Yeah, I would.
It'd be fun.
No way.
Sure, why not.
There's not a lot of.
Crashing the testing phase first
a lot.
Of crashing going on.
Doesn't sound like fun.
Well, this sounds like as fun as
the cars in Super Mario
Brothers.
Remember the ones where their
power is by a coat hanger that
touches the top power things.
That's almost what they're at
now.
Right.
Would you get in one of these
things?
No, what if they gave you like a
pack of Oreos at the end of the
ride?
Nope.
And a Reese Cup.
I want some Reese's cups.
And they gave you your own
cuidado sign.
What if they gave you a cuidado
sign?
When you got out, there was
cuidado you could just lay in
the road.
What?
If it was the tour for Alcatraz,
New York.
No.
You had to get in this.
No, no.
What if it pulls up?
You don't know.
It's automated and then the door
shuts and this robot turns
around and it goes where are you
going?
Yeah, for your safety, I must
keep you in this vehicle.
I guess I'm fucked.
Why wouldn't you get in what you
what's your freight's going to
happen?
It's not going to take it where
you want to go or.
No, I Why?
OK, first of all, yes.
Have you seen one of these?
Yes.
In real life.
Yeah.
Yes, I have passed one on the
highway because they're here in
Orlando too.
They are.
No, I would never get in one,
Palmer.
Why would you get in a car?
First of all, it's unmanned,
right?
Because we've seen how well
Tesla's been doing with those,
right?
People get in accidents or all
of a sudden this thing speeds
off at 120 mph, gets pulled over
by a cop, or it burns up with a
battery or whatever.
I I'm not getting in anything
that I can't control.
That you can't control.
Do you get on airplanes?
Sometimes unwillingly, I mean.
I wasn't even gonna go that far
until you said that.
I can't control.
How about the monorail?
Disney World?
Do you ride that?
No, I do not go to Disney World.
You've never been to Disney
World?
As a child.
Did you ride the monorail?
I mean, I think so.
I don't.
You have to ride them on around.
Yeah, well they just that
controlled by a person.
That or the ferry.
Yeah, but that was when I was a
child.
So that was I have better
decision.
Making not.
So, So what you're saying is the
automation from your your four
years ago is more sufficient
than the current automation that
we're?
Doing I feel like Disney is way
further along than you know,
whoever this guy is from Russia
or Czechoslovakia.
When you go to Disney, are you
afraid of the Wheel of Progress?
The GE right?
Big.
Beautiful.
Room where?
They sing the same song at the
end of each day as it spins.
The People Mover.
No no, the the GE show it's
carousel of progress.
Is it still there?
I don't even know.
I think so.
It's very popular.
I don't know is it is of that
song.
Everybody loves the song.
How about the people mover?
Do you ride that because you're
not in?
I'm trying to go trying to
figure out how big.
What's the scale?
Yeah, I mean I do the people
mover.
OK, what about a ride at Disney?
Just any ride the the.
If I if yeah, if I was to go,
yeah, Why would I?
It's automated.
It's automated.
You're not in control.
Yeah, I guess you're.
Not in control.
I got news for you.
You're not in control at all for
any of it.
I would never ride one of these
things.
Oh man, we should.
You let your wife drive when you
guys go out.
Yeah, so I could sleep, but I
trust her.
Kind of trust a robot computer
too, so.
No way.
It stopped, it didn't.
Like we're just all going to run
the red lights now.
Would you round in one?
Bummer.
Yeah.
Sure I would.
Mikey, would you round?
Out.
I'll get in it now.
We'll tape it for the show.
I wouldn't mind one of the
automated Teslas so that I don't
have to drive at all really.
That'd be nice.
That would be.
Nice.
I'd have to figure out like what
I would do though is I would get
like some kind of sunglasses
with the eyeballs so they thinks
that I'm awake and then I would
just.
Kind of so you think it's why?
Doesn't it?
And then I would take my hands
on the steering wheel so I could
take a nap as it takes me to.
Wear the slinky eyeballs.
Well, but if you take your hands
on.
What if you fall asleep?
This.
Way you.
Know you turn it, you just went
in.
Right there.
Just prop myself up right there.
Yeah, that sounds amazing.
It does.
Do you have a Roomba at your
house?
Other one of those robot
vacuums?
Yeah.
Are you scared of it?
No.
Just curious.
Like getting in and writing it.
You could write on it.
No, I could not write.
On it, I'm just trying to figure
out the level of fear with the
automation.
Yeah.
So it's something you have to
get into.
Why No, I don't want to get into
a vehicle for.
I mean, look at what just
happened, this thing.
What just happened?
And they all stopped.
This robot was so out of tune
that it couldn't treat a out of
power city as four way stops as
or like what happens when it
comes to a stop sign or what
kind of happens when it comes.
Stop sign.
It knows what to do with a stop
sign or the safety features on
this thing are so good that when
the when the light does not
function, it knows to stop so
that there are no crashes
because people that drive can't
get through red lights without
that don't work without
crashing.
What happens if somebody steals
all the stop signs in the city?
I don't know what what happens
if while you're driving all your
tires blow up at the same time.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, that's.
Far fetched.
Robots just wouldn't.
Know not like a big market for
stop signs, I don't think.
You never stole a stop sign when
you were a kid.
Nope, not everyone in the city.
Really, Mikey?
Did you ever sit still a stop
sign when you were a kid?
Yeah, of course.
Exactly.
Just for the record, with your
whole Teslas out here, just, you
know, running these evil streets
and people are going nuts.
People are dying everywhere.
As of October 2025, there have
been hundreds of non fatal
incidents involving versions of
autopilot and 65 reported
fatalities, 54 of which NHTSA
investigations or expert
testimony later verified and
verified and two that NHTS as
office and defects
investigations determine as
happening during the engagement
of full dot dot dot probably
full automation.
So it was 60 since October of
this year.
Yeah, 60. 565 people have died
in a.
Yeah, that's a ridiculously
known number.
How many people have died in
auto accidents since October?
How many auto fatal auto
actions?
That's because they weren't
wearing slinky eyes.
That's right, you got to wear a
stinky eyes.
Yeah, how much higher is the
human error auto?
Accident around 3750 deaths.
That's a lot more.
Sounds like those automated cars
are pretty safe like.
Tesla's doing something right.
You're like over there.
Damn Tesla.
Yeah, but how many people have
Teslas?
Are you kidding me?
Fred Roy has.
One, it's like one out of every
three cars at this point on the
road, at least down here.
One out of every three.
Yeah, 23.
None of us have one.
Fred does.
He makes the He's the one in the
four of us.
Fred's not in the room.
Like Fred walked away.
It's one in four, not three.
Sorry, he read it wrong.
One in four.
And Greg with all his cars, I
mean he can't find a broke Tesla
so he doesn't have one.
He'll find a broke one.
Greg was talking to my friend
Sean about his his Porsche and I
go Greg's real car guy.
He likes to buy broken cars.
I said he's got this, this and
this and I think three of them
are in the shop right now.
This one's busted.
The.
One that you drive is busted.
Oh, you know what's funny is
somebody left like a note on
mine, like, hey, call me.
And I said Daniel and his phone
number.
And so I sent a picture of Gray.
I was like, does it look like
somebody hit was?
Is there a new dent is?
This is this a fresh dent?
And he sent me back the like the
shrugged emoji.
He's like, I don't know.
I'm like, all right, all right.
I'm not dealing with this guy.
I'm not.
Dealing with maybe you hit his
car.
You got to do a walk around
Greg's car every day.
Oh.
Yeah.
And log the Marks and dinks and
yeah.
OK, next story.
What you all right?
How how Hallmark became a
Christmas colossus.
It's hard to know what's more
unlikely about Hallmark's rise,
the two brothers selling
greeting cards one day run of
America's most watched TV
networks, or that their brand
would become synonymous with
non-stop Christmas movies.
Story starts in 1910 in Kansas
City, where Joyce and Raleigh
Hall, son of Methodist minister,
began selling greeting cards.
Their simple message of
connection struck a nerve,
especially when World War One
servicemen and their families.
Over the years, Hallmark didn't
just grow, it helped define
American gift giving, inventing
modern wrapping paper and
partnered with icons like Disney
and Norman Rockwell.
In 1951, Hallmark took a gamble
on television.
Joyce Hall told his sales team
we're going to try our handed
television and soon sponsored
the world's first open written
specifically for the opera.
Sorry, not open opera written
specifically for TV.
Decades later, Hallmark launched
its own entertainment division,
acquired A struggling cable
channel and in 2001 rebranded it
as the Hallmark Channel.
Thanks, Joyce, son of whoever.
Joyce Boom.
Did you know that the Rudolph
the Red Nosed Reindeer was
actually started by Woolworths?
But who?
Woolworths.
It's like it was like Kmart back
in the day.
Oh yeah, they made, Yeah, they
invented Rudolph the Red Nosed
Reindeer.
Yes.
How they invented it?
To sell something, they were
trying to sell Rudolph toys.
And then it has just become part
of the American Christmas
tradition, though, really.
How old is Rudolph the Red
Narrows reindeer song?
From the 1940s, I believe.
I heard he had a very shiny
nose.
Well, only if you ever saw it.
I've never heard of world rock.
You'd say it really glows.
Yeah.
Is that it?
Was that where's that company
basically?
Worse than Wilco went out of
business a long time ago.
They were put out of business by
S S Kresge Company, later turned
into the Kmart Company.
Oh yeah.
How old are you?
Well, my father worked for S S
Kresge and then worked for
County and then retired from the
Kmart Corporation International
Headquarters in Troy, MI.
And that's when it all went
downhill.
Yeah, he left.
He left because it went
downhill.
They brought in Lee Iacocca from
a car industry to run a retail
organization, and he didn't know
what he was doing.
Damn.
So your dad owned Kmart?
No, he didn't own it.
Your dad's last name was Kmart.
Yeah, middle.
Yeah, middle name.
Last name blue light, middle
name Kmart.
Well, that was his nickname.
Blue light.
Blue light, yes.
We call them Blue.
Light.
We call them blue light.
OK, so I don't even know what
the story was about, to be
honest.
I don't know what.
We're just talking about 'cause
you were sleeping.
I found it curious how Hallmark
greeting cards became Hallmark
Television and now they make all
the Christmas movies and have
their own network.
Yeah, when you buy cards, do you
buy Hallmark?
No, I usually buy whatever's
cheapest because cards are sort
of a throwaway thing anymore.
So if you go to the dollar
store, they have a nice
selection of cards that now are
dollar 25.
I'm more of a convenient guy.
I go for Publix.
Whatever.
Is it Publix?
There's definitely Hallmark out
of public.
There, yes, definitely Hallmark
in public.
OK.
I just didn't know if you guys
like do the look at the back of
the card thing or?
No, I don't look to see who it
was made by, but it has a nice
message and only cost me a
dollar.
I'm good.
Generally speaking, my wife
gives me the card and says you
need to sign this and then I
sign it.
Yeah, I usually only have to buy
cards for my wife.
Yeah.
Oh, you buy cards for your wife?
It.
Depends on what I'm giving her.
Sometimes, yeah, write a nice
little message on the inside.
No, you're you're just a
terrible husband.
That's what it.
Is oh, is that what?
Yeah, Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
No, you know, the, you know, I
got the little ones.
So she likes to make cards.
Do you ever buy her flowers?
From.
Her Do you ever buy your wife
flowers?
Flowers.
Yeah, sometimes, but she doesn't
really like flowers.
I do get those at Publix.
OK, what's your How often do you
buy your wife flowers?
She doesn't really like flowers.
She doesn't really like purses.
She doesn't really like purses.
Perfect.
She.
Doesn't really like he's married
a man.
Yeah, he's married.
He married a feeling.
Oh, is it?
Do you call him Ginger?
No.
Yeah.
Do you?
Are you cross?
Because he was quite frantic
looking for you on Friday night.
Where is he?
Well, he had a hat on.
It threw him off.
Oh, I did have a hat.
On and then he put the hat on
backwards.
Threw him off the second time.
A hat on the war bear.
Blacked out hat.
Nice available at thpot.com,
right?
But you still have some left.
Just a couple.
All right, the new Christmas
movie everyone wants to watch,
How Epstein Lost Christmas
Chapter One has been released.
How Epstein.
Yes, this is really a thing.
The Justice Department has
released the first major batch
of documents tied to the
investigation into the late
convicted sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein, following a new law
passed by Congress last month
that mandates public disclosure
of all related files within 30
days.
So the list that doesn't exist,
We now have chapter one.
We.
Found the list.
The release includes 10s of
thousands of pages of material,
much of it long sought by
lawmakers, journalists and the
public.
Among the newly released
documents are photographs and
records referencing high profile
individuals, including former
President Bill Clinton.
Oh, like we did a painting.
Of the guy there fucking,
there's a painting of the guy.
I don't know, I'm just reading
the story.
There's a.
Statue of Bill in front of the
island.
Oh, the small child standing
beside him like.
Those.
Great statues with the peoples.
Maybe it's Monica.
Maybe.
According to multiple news
outlets revealing the files,
former President Donald, I guess
he would be President Donald
Trump.
When they say former, it's a
story coming.
Yesterday.
Well, he is a former and a
current.
Right.
I guess.
I guess you got a point there.
Former and current.
Appears only minimally in the
materials.
Minimally.
Just a little bit.
How many times is minimally in a
10,000 page list?
Twice.
Chapter 1.
Twice.
They said many of the documents
remain heavily redacted grass,
limiting how much new
information can be drawn from
the initial release.
The Justice Department
acknowledged that the sheer
volume of records made it
impossible to process everything
within the 30 day window
required by law.
As a result, officials say,
additional documents will be
released in phases over the next
coming weeks.
That explanation hasn't
satisfied everyone.
Several Democratic lawmakers
have criticized the delay,
arguing that the law does not
allow for staggered disclosures
and that withholding unredacted
or unreleased files may violate
the statue passed by Congress.
The Department of Justice, for
its part, maintains that it is
balancing transparency with
legal obligations involving
privacy, ongoing reviews and the
protection of sensitive
information.
And things we don't want the
public to know.
For now, the Epstein files are
finally beginning to see
daylight, but the full picture
is still far from complete, and
the political and legal fallout
is only just getting stuck.
We've only just begun.
So let's get this straight.
On Tuesday through Thursday
everybody was at Epstein Island
and then Friday and Saturday and
Sunday everybody was at the
freak offs because Diddy,
remember, Diddy was having all
his parties.
Everybody was at the Diddy
party.
Well, he worked Diddy, end of
the show.
Look at that, it is very nice.
Yep.
That's a.
Standard.
Move. 21 minutes in and it Diddy
Diddy.
I can't help it.
Can't help it.
I'm fascinated with the Diddy
party.
I just don't want to go to 1.
I just think it's crazy that,
you know, first of all, these
guys who are billionaires,
billionaires, trillionaires all
found a lot of time to go to
these parties every week.
You think they're busy?
They have billions and
trillions.
What else they going to do?
They have people, they have
peoples to do all the work.
We're busy.
I mean, I know we're not.
I'm not billion and
trillionaires.
I don't have time to go to
Epstein Island or to Diddy's
biddy thing.
Whatever, right?
I think that Boots has time to
go to Diddy's.
Biddy's thing, I think.
That's what the problem is.
He's upset he never got to go.
Yeah, I've been available this
whole time.
You know, his first year none of
us were invited to any type of
Christmas party.
Maybe that was the Biddy Diddy.
I was invited to John Carney's
Christmas.
Party.
Oh, not John Carney his
Christmas party.
Oh, that's right, we weren't
invited.
So maybe, maybe he did a Diddy
Diddy.
Theme.
That's true.
We weren't invited.
Well, I, I I don't get invited
anymore.
Which is fine, you never
invited, but you didn't get
invited.
No, I also did not get an invite
I.
Mean we aren't employees.
I'm off I.
Understand there are cutbacks.
Yeah.
Welcome to my island.
Maybe I.
At least want the invites so I
can say I.
Can't.
Yeah.
He just likes to get invited.
He never dosed anything.
He's safe to invite them.
It was a safe.
Gamble to invite me, you know I
would have opted out.
I invited him to my circumcision
just because I knew he wouldn't,
I'm sure.
It was busy.
I'm sure, yeah.
You just now had a circumcision.
I like to get it redone every
once while it grows back a.
Little trimming.
Little little trim there.
You're Jewish.
No, I don't.
I don't celebrate Hanukkah.
I don't smoke Hanukkah cigars.
That was last week kosher.
Kosher.
Kosher cigars.
Yeah, look at the lights in the
background.
They're green and red.
Buddy, he's a Christmas.
Guy not blue and white.
He's a Christmas guy.
OK, moving on.
That's how we're not, I guess
we're really not to talk about
it other than Bill Clinton had
pictures and Trump was there
maybe once.
It was, it was just redacted and
all that.
I mean, I saw this video today
of this video that was released
of Epstein's.
Island of the Diddy Party
episode. 4 at Epstein's island.
There was like these two little
girls running around inside.
They said it was inside a place
at the island, but how do you
really know how?
Little we talking little.
They were probably like 6.
I mean, they were little girls.
Look, it's hard to say at that
point what that what that was.
I mean somebody.
AI and all.
That it could have been somebody
could have brought their kids
Christmas on Epstein Island,
Yeah, who knows?
I'm sure every party wasn't the
baby oiled and lotioned.
Right.
Yeah, hard to say.
Hard to say.
I mean, you know, it is a whole
island, yeah.
Maybe there's an Island of
Misfit Toys section or
something?
Misfit Toys I.
Don't know.
I don't know.
All I know is that you're never
going to get the truth so right,
Right?
We're never going to know
everything.
Yeah, he's dead.
Just.
You know, I, I think that
there's there should.
Be some they might not even
really be dead.
I think that there should be
some type of punishment for
politicians when they promise
that they're going to do
something and they don't do it.
And it should be like something
really embarrassing.
Oh, like, you know.
Being spanked.
Yeah, like Spanx in public or
something.
Right.
Yeah, it's embarrassing.
And you want to know who I think
should run it?
The guy from Jackass.
What was his name?
Oh, Johnny Knoxville.
Yes.
Is he still around?
Man, could you imagine the hand
that he makes?
This makes him.
Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville.
This is Marco Rubio, and this is
Jackass.
Wow, that would be.
Funny, actually.
Rubio wasn't the guy who did it,
but it's just an example.
Just a name he came up with.
Yeah, or maybe he did.
I actually like Rubio.
He's a padrone guy, so he.
Was in last week's news.
He's the one that wants the font
change.
Hi, I'm Kash Patel, right, so
it's.
Just this huge hand on this
fucking crane that just comes
out and just comes smacks the
show.
I mean, yeah, Trump's talking
about all this stuff about like
he's doing these games and all
this other stuff.
He's like, here's what we're
going to do.
We're going to start holding
politicians accountable.
And the new rule is that if they
say they're going to do
something and they don't do it
within a timely fashion, 90 to
120 days.
Johnny gets a hold.
Of it, they get the large hand
on public television, right?
I think it ain't that deal with
Paramount Plus.
Right.
Or Netflix.
You take that deal, I'd take
that deal.
That'd be amazing.
I'm like, oh, who's going to get
spanked today?
Who's getting?
Spanked this week.
That'd be a great.
Show well, Johnny, come on in.
OK.
All right.
Are you ready?
Yep.
Love him or hate him, Jake Paul
keeps doing the one thing that
matters in boxing getting people
to watch.
Or paid.
The latest Jake Paul fight
wasn't just another influencer
sideshow, it was a reminder that
the sport has changed.
Whether purest like it or not,
Paul stepped into the ring once
again with the same formula.
He's perfected massive
promotion, relentless trash
talk, and a clear understanding
of how to turn boxing into a
modern entertainment event.
From the opening bell thing, it
was obvious Jake Paul came in
prepared.
He wasn't reckless.
He wasn't swinging wildly for a
viral knockout.
He was patient, calculated and
disciplined.
That's the part critics still
struggle.
Struggle to accept.
Snuggle, snuggle, snuggle to
accept.
You don't have to like Jake
Paul.
But at this point, you do have
to acknowledge that he trains
like a real fighter and takes
the craft seriously.
The fight itself had moments of
tension.
Momentum shifts and just enough
drama to keep casual fans locked
in.
Was it a technical masterpiece?
Masterpiece.
No, but it didn't need to be it.
Was can I speak?
It was competitive, it was
physical and it delivered
exactly what the audience turned
in for.
What Jake Paul continues to
prove is that boxing doesn't
live and die on belts anymore.
It lives on attention.
He brings younger viewers to the
sport.
He.
Didn't even cover the article.
What is this?
Huh?
This isn't the story.
Well.
Depends on which story you
wanted.
He lost.
We want the scripted story.
He got knocked out.
OK, how are you not talking?
You want to cover the story
because you gave it to me 10
minutes ago and and this is the
first one I found.
And nobody pre readed it pre
read it.
No, nobody.
Pre I had 10 minutes.
So no, you didn't.
Yes, you did.
You had over an hour ago.
Now we've been doing the show
for 30 minutes.
You had 30 minutes.
No, Yes.
No, Yes.
All right, so this just in Jake
Paul lost and got his jaw broke.
He got his jaw broken.
And.
And I didn't watch, just for the
record, I haven't.
Watched you didn't watch it?
No, I watched the end I.
Don't watch.
After I I left here, went home,
turned on Netflix really quickly
and then watched Anthony Joshua
smile as he reared back and then
break Jake Paul.
Did you think Jake Paul knew it
was coming?
I don't know, they supposedly
Jake Paul says that was not in
the script for him to lose now.
There's a script.
Of course there's a script, but
have you seen some of these
fights?
No, I don't watch these fights.
Definitely a script.
Now The thing is is I don't
think it was definitely in the
script for him to get a broken
jaw in two spots.
Now the X-ray looks a little
fake, yeah.
It didn't look that serious of a
shot, no.
I mean, and he was talking like,
I mean, I, I've never broken a
bone in my body, but I'm pretty
sure if your jaw's broken in two
spots, 1, I don't think you're
talking and #2 I think you're
going to be in a lot of pain.
That's how I feel, yeah.
I don't care how much
adrenaline's rushing.
Correct.
So maybe it was fake, but who
knows.
Huh.
I know there was a lot of money
thrown on Jake Paul, even Drake.
Drake threw like what, 225,000?
For Jake Paul to win, yeah,
Because he's always.
He always wins.
So this was the one.
So like this was so you think
that this was the big one where
everybody bet on him to win?
Right, because we've been, you
know, tricked the past three
times.
That's an interesting take.
That's an interesting take.
You know, you saw the hit and
when you look at it, it's not
like he tries to block it.
He just looks at it like it's
coming and just takes it.
I don't, I don't know anybody in
their right mind that would just
be like, OK, I'm going to get
hit here.
He's still in that corner longer
than Rocky, right?
I mean dude, get out of the
corner, right?
So you think that it's possible
that it was set up that way?
Maybe I just feel like the jaw
being broken in two spots.
I've never seen anybody's jaw
broken in boxing.
I don't think really.
Yeah, like actual broken.
Like I like I've seen guys that,
you know, have gotten smacked in
the chin, you know their glass
chin and you know.
Glass.
Jaw, they're hurt.
And if the term glass jaw, how
do you guys know it's broken?
Because they reported it broken.
Yeah, well, it's not really
broken.
Well.
That's what we're saying.
Yeah.
And like they showed like an
X-ray.
They put up his X-ray, but it
looks like like I've had plenty
of X-rays like that doesn't look
like an X-ray.
Well I mean they could easily.
I could draw you an AI broken
jaw X-ray.
Yeah, no.
So you think this is the end of
the boxing thing where he's
going to do more?
Yeah, he says that he's done for
a while after his jaw is
hurting, right?
If it wasn't scripted and he
really got his jaw broke.
I mean, hey, sure as you're
right for fucking setting us all
up before that.
How funny would it be if this.
Guy just said, yeah, you know
what?
Bam.
But it just, when you look at
the footage, it looked like it
looked, you know, I didn't watch
the fight.
I just caught the end of it.
It looked like he was tired and
it looked.
Like he just wanted to be.
Done.
So he was Anthony.
Drop your hands A.
Little bit stick.
Your jaw out.
Yeah, He just kind of sit there
and said go ahead.
You know, Anthony Joshua was was
working.
Him, was he?
Oh yeah, maybe he's only.
Supposed to hit him.
Hard enough to knock him out,
but not to break it, he said.
No problem.
Look just.
Tap me hard and I'll fall down.
Special delivery and what's?
Great is Anthony Joshua.
Didn't say anything out to the
fight.
He left the ring, he said done.
Yeah, he just.
He left the ring and.
'Cause even the, the guy was
talking to Jake Paul.
And then he turned around and
goes, all right, let's get some
words from Anthony Joshua.
And he's like Anthony, I guess
he's gone.
Wait.
Well, he was talking to the guy.
After the the guy who broke his
jaw was being interviewed after
the match.
Yeah.
The yeah, what the fuck?
Was he moving his mouth?
Well, maybe he can't.
Maybe Anthony.
Joshua can't cover being, like
the dishonest part of the
spectacle.
Maybe, you know, maybe he's
like, he can't, like, dude, I
can't stick with the storyline.
I got to go.
Like, I'm just leaving.
Your jaw's broke in two places.
You're not.
Talking.
You don't think so?
No, they wire your mouth shut
and.
Then you can't talk.
Yeah.
Heels.
Yeah, like.
I mean, your jaw's hanging there
if it's broken like.
Here and here.
Well, he hit me and debate and
that would get dug.
Not hey, you know, it was a good
fight, but I wasn't supposed to
get hit like that.
Yeah, he was definitely like you
could hear.
Him talk.
Yeah.
Then it was broken.
It wasn't broken.
That's what maybe it's fractured
and they're going broke, but
still, even that, it would hurt
like crazy.
Yeah.
Open and close your mouth,
Right?
That's what I thought I was
like, man, I got.
To be in so much pain if you
broke your jaw in two spots,
what was the payout?
How much?
Money did he 93,000,000 each
How?
Much 90. 3 million and he got
that 90. 3 million even.
Though he knocked him out $93
million.
What do you guys want to break
my jaw for $93 million?
Feel free, yeah.
You pay me 93,000,000 then you
can.
Pop what do I get?
I won 93 too.
Apparently they both got paid.
That's what I'm saying.
We're doing this all wrong.
Apparently we should be fighting
every good day.
We should definitely do like a
like.
Remember, like celebrity death
match?
Yeah, but it doesn't want to be
a death match.
It should be celebrity boxing
with no it should be death
match.
Like cigar celebrities?
Yeah, like Steve Sanka.
That's not fair.
No, that's like what's the?
What was the guy's What was the
guy?
Steve, Sanka and Coop.
What was the what was what was
the guy?
'S name in.
Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
Oh, where you hit him and he
loses?
His pants, yeah.
He loses his pants.
I don't.
Know.
I know who you're talking about,
King Hippo.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, who's losing their
pants?
Coop.
Are they white or are they tan?
Are they white or tan, or are
they at a White Party?
Well, they're obviously not
white.
He doesn't.
Have White Bear right?
I'm sure you don't have any
white pants.
He's.
Khaki only, right?
Plenty of white.
Shirts all right moving on we
got we still.
Got normal media stuff to go
through here.
OK, well, I have a Jack Doherty.
Story, but I don't know if it's
right now either.
But he's not a trained fighter
and these aren't controlled
environments like influence or
boxing defense.
Real fights don't come with
referees, gloves or contact or
contracts.
And the risk isn't just
embarrassment, it's seriously or
legal trouble.
At some point the audience
fatigue sets in.
When once felt edgy, now feels
repetitive.
Another argument, another shove,
another clip, another chasing
virality.
Maybe there?
Was a lot more information, but
it was.
Background like on the other
one.
So you probably weren't going to
like it.
That's all you got the.
Internet will always.
Move.
It always does.
But if Doherty keeps finding
himself in these situations, the
consequences won't.
Because eventually the fight
won't be for views.
It won't end.
The camera won't stop rolling.
So Jack Doherty.
Finds himself in a fight, not
him.
He wasn't directly there or he
was there, but he wasn't
directly involved originally
from what I saw from the
footage.
But like his squad was with this
UFC, former UFC heavyweight guy.
Did you see this?
Who is Jack Doherty?
See, he's a guy who crashes.
His McLaren and he's this
YouTube.
Guy, he's a oh, you talk, I
think we.
Talked about this before we've
talked.
About him all the time, talking
about him all.
The time Mikey's enamored.
With this is like the third
story.
And now he his group got in a
fight.
And he ran.
Yeah, he was part of the video I
saw.
I saw him going.
Woo, yeah, he was really
flopping around on.
His jacket, yeah.
He wasn't really involved.
But this is an ongoing issue,
so.
If you watch.
It though it doesn't look like.
I don't know man, like the more
stuff I see on social media, the
more I think it's all fake.
It looks fake.
I mean I saw some of the.
Frantic throwing around and
stuff and it's mostly bad
angles, running people with
cameras and this guy is a former
heavyweight.
Champion and if he's going up
against dudes that are half his
size, I feel like everybody's
going to bed like he's just
knocking dudes out, right?
There's just no way that there's
some kind of reckless flailing
and all this other stuff that I
saw in that aren't guys at.
His level or with his?
Aren't they more reserved
because they could get in a lot
of trouble if they actually hurt
somebody?
Have you ever met Rampage?
Jackson, have you ever seen any
of the Rampage Jackson's videos?
That guy's not reserved at all.
Well, I'm sure there's the odd
guy that's not.
Yeah, but I.
Mean somebody like Mike Tyson.
'S not going to just haul off
and punch somebody 'cause he's
going to kill him and then he's
going to jail.
Did you you ever see the
interview with?
Mike Tyson, when he was up in
Canada, when the guy called him
a felon or whatever, that was a
Canadian.
There's no laws up there and.
He's like, I'm just trying my.
Best not to kill you as well.
He's like, like, like the things
that he said to him.
He's like, come on, Mike, come
on.
And you could tell this guy was
like, oh, man, you know, he was
trying to egg him on.
Trying to.
Get him to throw a punch.
No, no, no, no.
You know, like.
Like the problem with with media
is people will purposely say
something to an individual to
get a rise at em 'cause they
think that 'cause they think
that they're safe.
It's just like TikTok and all
these other things where these
people make these comments
'cause they can hide behind a
whatever, right?
Right.
So this guy made a comment and
he said something in regards to
the fact that, you know, like he
was a convicted felon or
whatever the case may be.
Should you be seen, seen with
the mayor or something like
that.
And Mike did not like that.
And Mike, rightfully so, should
not have liked that.
Let me tell you something and.
Then and when he started to say
some.
Stuff.
You could tell the guy I was
like, uh oh, right.
Like, hey, guess what?
Tyson started to get wound up.
Yeah, like.
Guess what dude?
Like one of the.
Greatest fighters of all time is
about 5 feet away from you and
you just directly insulted him.
If you don't have to, you know,
you need to get out of there one
of the most.
You need to have somebody swoop
in because I got news for you.
If he decides to go forward, no
ones going to calm him down,
right?
No.
Yeah, no.
They're pulling him off.
Yeah, and not only that.
But like, if I was in the room,
I'm like, yeah, he deserved it.
I don't, you know, like I'm, I'm
just at one time, Mike.
And then we'll just call it
even.
Yeah, no, they're like, go
ahead, just.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just, you know, because I think
there's too many people that
speak and they get away with
this stuff, like have a little
bit of decency, have some
respect, you know, But what we
would like to see.
Though is we would like to see
somebody get injured when they
make these stupid acts because
that's why we love Jackass so
much.
Like, Jackass was definitely a
a, a show where people did
stupid stuff and then there was
a retaliation and they would get
injured.
Yeah, but that's like.
But those, that's like friends
messing with each other.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm just
going off earlier.
And just with a nail gun or you
get stapled in.
The ass or something doing
something really dumb but.
I but I was just going off what
you said.
Everything looks fake now.
Yeah, that's true.
There's a.
Jackass has the injuries to
prove.
That that was not fake, right?
There's a video from back in the
80s I.
Think it was where somebody
mouths off to Hulk Hogan, right?
Hulk Hogan open handed, popped
him in the face.
Oh yeah.
And then you see an interview
later and then he popped the
guy's eardrum, right?
I mean, he didn't, he didn't
punch him.
He's all over me.
But still he popped the guy's
eardrum.
Yeah, that guy's hand is the.
Size of.
Well, yeah, it's the size of
the, Yeah.
I mean he smacked him pretty
hard, but the same idea.
Some guy was interviewing.
Him started saying something he
didn't like and he just went up,
right?
Yeah.
I just don't understand.
Like what people think they can
get away with?
Yeah, say.
Oh, you know what this is going
to be good for?
Ratings.
This is good.
No way he's going to hit me.
I could sue.
Him Do you have a?
Football thing in there today?
Nope.
OK, so Speaking of smacking
somebody, oh, DK.
Yeah, the whole DK thing.
You didn't even hit him.
He, I don't think he actually.
Connected.
No, but I mean you heard why no
so.
Supposedly.
This is not the first time DK
has had a interaction with this
individual.
Yeah.
And they?
Keep saying that DK the the the
reason why is because this
person called DK by his real
name.
But then there's other reports
that there was a slang term used
for DK OK.
You know.
I'm I'm going to flip this on
you here.
Yep.
Because like when you're a man
in the arena and you're in the
middle of this thing and you
have fans that are purposely
going out of their way to egg
you on and and all these things,
you cannot engage.
Yeah, you can't.
I mean.
He he was definitely frustrated
because of how the game was
going and he wasn't really.
Did they win that game?
Steelers, Yeah.
The Steelers won, but I mean.
He wasn't really getting thrown
the ball.
Gotcha, right?
So I think he was frustrated in
that, in that aspect.
And that's probably maybe
because I think this happened
like second quarter, dude, you
got a bit like.
When you are in the stadium, you
know that people are purposely
doing everything they can to get
a rise out of you in the same
aspect of they know that they're
safe, right?
So like that isn't.
That isn't a guy saying, hey, I
know what I'm.
Going to do I'm going to do this
and this is going to be good for
I'm going to get a YouTube clip
out of it or something Excuse
me, that's just a.
Guy being an.
Asshole, right?
That's just a flat out right.
So you know at that point you
have to keep your composure.
But if if I'm doing.
A1 on one interview with.
Somebody and that person has
gone out of their way to try and
get some type of click bait or
something at my expense and
you're within arm's reach.
You really should consider what
you're saying.
You know, you have, you should
have some decency, have a little
bit of respect.
I'm coming on to your show for
you, right to help me.
Like this is supposed to be a
double promotion scenario,
right?
Like, no, that that doesn't
work.
Now if you're some coal miner or
whatever that's having a bad day
and you want to yell at a guy
who's making a multi millions
worth of dollars at the end of
the day, the multi millionaire
should be like, yeah, whatever,
dude.
Like my life is 10X years.
Yeah, but I wouldn't even yell
at.
That guy like he's humongous.
He went yeah, but you but like
but.
You're again, you're hoping that
he does some, some sort of
response, right?
Because it would suck if he got
suspended for that or something
like that.
But if you look at it, he didn't
hit him.
He didn't, he didn't connect.
Yeah.
Sports is getting out of hand.
In in one aspect with.
This whole thing with fans.
To the players or whoever's on
the court or on the field or
whatever, Like there's always
something happening between a
fan and a player, right?
Like whether it's after the
game, whether it's before the
game or whether it's during the
game, there's always like
something in the news, like they
got to do a better job.
You know, those, the Redcoats or
whatever, people that are out
there doing security.
I think that's always existed,
man.
But they got to do something
better.
I don't know what, what are you
going to do because.
If you remove it maybe.
More of them if you remove the.
Engagement.
Completely.
You want to know what you're
going to do.
You're going to hurt your
ratings.
Because I got to tell you
there's.
Nothing more frustrating than
like athletes totally ignoring
kids.
I, I think that that's
ridiculous.
You know, I mean, I mean, kids
are one thing, but like, let's.
Say, like, OK, that interaction
where that person was, they were
hanging over the side, right?
Right.
If there was a security person
there, that guy should be
removed.
Yeah, like, hey, man.
Either you get back up.
There, or you're out of here.
No, I mean just eject him.
Well, yeah, 'cause he was.
Really hanging over like you're
out.
So like.
You know that that's wrong, and
for that interaction to happen,
it's.
Not like DK, he went up to him
because the guy was being nice.
Well, he but he went over there,
yeah.
He went over there because the.
Guy was the girl, whatever it
was with blue hair was was a
problem.
So again, so if you had more
security or you had somebody
there, like they could have
stopped or intervened.
Was it in?
Was it in Seattle?
Or in Pittsburgh.
It was in in Seattle.
They had blue hair.
Was it in Seattle?
No.
No, Detroit in Detroit, I'm
sorry.
Seattle played the Rams on
Thursday.
That was a crazy game.
OK, sorry Palmer, We we went on
a.
Rant.
No, I think that you're right.
I you know.
I just don't think that I don't
know if somebody's out of line.
Yeah, just eject them.
And again, yes, all this stuff
is.
Looking fake by the way I've
been watching.
TikTok Yeah, I've.
Been watching like Reels and
TikTok and all this stuff and
it's like I don't even know what
to watch anymore to be honest.
Yeah.
Hey, I'm going.
To do this this this.
Will work.
There's fake news stories on
Tik.
T.O.K anymore you'll be watching
TikTok and it'll you know, some
elaborate looking news story
looks very professionally made
and everything and then you go
and Google it and it goes
there's no record Yeah, that's
not true yeah, there's no record
of.
That man trying to leave the.
Country and yeah, it's like a
waste of my time 'cause I.
Had to Google it or.
It's better education.
For you, because then you get to
practice your Googling.
No, I don't want to Google.
Fine tuning your Googling.
You know, do you think with all
this fake?
AI stuff on TikTok online, You
think people go back to the
regular news?
I think that it's, I think that
it hurts.
It I think that it hurts it I
think that you lose, you start,
believe me, you're going to Fast
forward in six months and you're
going to hear, you know, TikTok
shutting down.
Well, what?
No.
Not shutting down, but.
Viewers are are gravitating off
of social specific social media
platforms because of too much
AI, too much fake.
Stuff.
Yeah, that's too.
Much because you.
Know the first couple.
AIS.
I didn't realize they were AIS
and I felt really dumb once I
explained, like, I just saw this
thing was crazy and they're
like, yeah, that was fake.
I'm like, oh, I've been duded
many.
Times by sports stories, but now
at this.
Point I look at everything, I'm
like, that's fake, that's fake,
that's fake.
Right now you're a little more.
Yeah, can't.
Think of the word your, your
little experience.
Maybe that's it.
Yeah, you, you look at
everything differently now.
You're sort of jaded and you can
think.
I don't think that dog just
saved that Lady from Mountain
Lion.
Somebody asked one of our videos
of those AI.
Is this AI?
I'm like no all the.
Stunts that are performed here
at Cigar House's podcast some
are asked a question about.
Our oh, if our thing was one of
our clips, like is this AI?
And yes, it is.
We have all.
Sorts of technology here.
Oh look, we can.
Barely put the show together,
yeah.
We have AI video now.
We're broke, fellas, and.
Ladies right, all right, now on
with.
Some cigar news, Michael.
Cigar news, Michael.
Cigar News.
Cigar News, Yeah.
OK, first.
Off Cigar Press released their
next 5 cigars.
They've listened for Cigars of
the Year and Postonia San
Andreas is on #6 the.
Robusto I saw this.
We have scored.
We are in the top ten.
We almost cracked the top five.
That's right, Coop.
I mean.
People.
Michael, you have a comment.
Yeah, you know.
Shout out to Fred Ruin's Cigar
Press.
You know, it's, it's always a
great feeling to get
acknowledged.
And I think that we don't get
acknowledged a lot because some
people don't like us or, or
they're just, we just don't make
them comfortable.
We don't make them warm and
fuzzy inside.
And, and we don't, we don't play
by the rules, I guess that or
the guidelines that are
suggested in this industry.
And when you get past that and
you realize who we are and that
we're actually really good dudes
and that we're in this for the
greater good of the industry,
you give us a chance, right?
And if you give us a chance, I
think that you're going to love
what we have and what we have to
offer.
I mean, I think Postana is one
of the greatest cigars out there
in market.
I know 'cause I smoke it
everyday and I smoke three or
four of them, the different
blends everyday.
And I wouldn't if I thought that
they were bad, you know?
So shout out to Fred.
Fred, thank you so much for the
support.
Thor, thank you very much.
It's it's an honor to be on
Cigar Press.
And yeah, it's great to see the
first one that they're the first
one this year to acknowledge any
of our brands.
So hope they're not the last.
Very well.
Said I'm glad I didn't
interrupt.
You at all?
Thanks.
Yeah, me either.
So.
I, I, I thought it was a great
number and I thought it was put
perfectly, put exactly where it
was, number six it was.
Good, I haven't seen one
through. 5 yet, though.
No, he like most places.
He's releasing them in in
groups.
Yeah, look, I'm happy with the
nod, man.
I'm happy with the nod, yeah.
Just to show up on a list, yeah.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, to me it should be #1
you know.
Yeah, I mean.
Regardless of a number, right,
we pasani should be on every
list.
I agree, right?
Because. 1 is a good.
Cigar and when you see some of
these other cigars, like, you
know, I've seen the Cigar
Aficionado one, it's like, what
in the hell are you guys
smoking?
Or you're probably not smoking
them.
That's really honestly how this
Liz is probably working out
here.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say.
You know you got.
Great tobacco, great taste,
great everything so.
I agree.
Thank you, Peter aficionado,
there's.
It seems like there's no rhyme
or reason why Whatever.
Even when they explain how their
voting works, you still don't.
It looks like the same list from
last year to.
Figure it out to be honest.
And they always have Cubans.
On why are.
They even think Cubans should
have their own list, right?
It's not even something.
Readily available to everybody.
It's the same story every year,
buddy.
You know, you know, what's crazy
is every year less and less
people care about Aficionado's
top 25.
That's the that's the wild part,
right?
Yeah.
When no one would get.
The phone call for Hey, this
cigar was #1 do you have it?
I haven't had anybody.
Ask for the new that padrone
60th nobody and we have a lot of
padrone customers.
It's true we do.
And nobody said hey you.
Got that number one.
Cigar.
Not a single person asked.
No.
So yeah, I wouldn't buy that
anyways.
I would I would try it.
I've tried it.
No, I've tried the 60th.
Yeah.
Oh, where'd you get it?
We don't carry it.
I don't know where I got it.
From to be honest.
I've tried it though.
I think I got Somebody must have
brought it at his Christmas
party.
They.
Have a problem at the Christmas
party?
I mean in the room with the baby
oil.
Why would you buy the 60th?
When you just buy the. 50th
Well, it's 10 years better.
It's pointier.
It's easy math right there,
right?
It's 10 years.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Before.
The end of the year we'll be.
Looking at all the major lists
and now we have decided we're
going to rate the raters.
We are.
We are.
Going to build a list of all of
the top 25 or top ten guys that
we come across, right?
And then we are going to
determine who we think did the
best job this year and the worst
job people are going to be.
Berated.
Sure.
Yes, why not?
What do we care at this?
Point nobody.
Likes us.
What difference does it make?
No, but you know what?
Here's the difference like.
I have no problem looking at
someone and say, dude, your list
is terrible.
Yeah, I I thought, and here's
why.
And then and then I could pick
apart every single cigar that I
thought was bad and what was
wrong with it and why I
shouldn't have made a list.
It was terrible.
And it.
And if you're and if that upsets
you, then are you really
striving to get better in this
industry?
No.
You know that.
That's that's just my.
Opinion.
You could you can disagree with
everything that I say, but I'm
gonna give you my input whether
you wanna hear it or not.
It's a great opinion.
Well, it's a great.
Thing about having our own show.
We can give them in their
opinions whether they win it or
not.
Yes, right.
And you will hear us.
Will I have the microphone?
And you don't, so you will
listen to every word I have to
say.
Yeah, five days a week.
Five days a week, you can say
it.
Five times if we.
Want you do that one show a week
and then?
We have the five, yeah, but we
have clips, all 7.
Days so ha ha ha 70. 1000.
Clips.
We're still clipping from three
weeks ago, I think, inundating
you with clips.
We will outwork you.
YouTube just gave up and go
just.
Throw it up anywhere I don't
care anymore.
Just put it in a spot put.
It up.
Let somebody see it, yeah.
Give them their bio.
Fiero, Tego.
Celebrations debuts at world
famous cigar bar.
He was down here.
Apparently.
Well, the cigars.
We don't know if he was.
Fiero Tego has released its
first batch of a new line called
Celebrations that is making his
debut in celebration on the 30th
anniversary of World Famous
Cigar Bar in Fort Myers in Cape
Coral, FL.
It's a 7 by 50 vitola that
Michael Herclots of Fiero Tego
described as a Diadema Perfecto.
It's a size that has previously
been used for limited edition
event releases of the company's
Timeless 1930 and Sterling
Lines.
As for the blend, her Klotz is
keeping it under wraps.
She can't say it's a secret, but
he did say that it is completely
new.
Still can't say it's a new
secret.
He added that the vitola
deliberately evokes change and
development with each puff,
creating a profounding, complex
and compelling experience.
You know, I like about him.
He answers his own social media.
Yeah, not really answers.
But if I comment something kind
of silly, he will say something,
right?
And you can tell it's him.
It's not somebody else, right?
Well, if you want to message me,
I'll.
Answer.
Quesada.
Is produced.
Not even engaging on that one.
Quesada is producing.
The secure available I'm.
Available.
I would send you back Bing Bong.
Bing bong Bing.
I like how the.
Crowd randomly yelled.
Bing bong at Bing bong.
Bing Bong Quesada is producing
the.
Cigars at Tabaco de Porcion
Tabadex factory in the Dominican
Republic.
The cigars are debuting a world
famous cigar bar and come
dressed with bands and boxes
that commemorate the store's
upcoming 30th anniversary in
2026.
So maybe he has not been here
yet.
Celebrating the years long
relationship and support between
retailer and Fiero Ortego.
They have always been great
partners and this was an
opportunity to celebrate that,
her Klatz told Half Wheel
pricing is at $300.00 for a box
of 10250 boxes made for World of
Famous.
The cigars are available both in
store and via phone.
Oh no, online.
Brooklyde said that For
Celebrations will be formally
introduced in 2026 and offered
only at the company's most
supportive partners and during
our most special events.
Wait, so he's made it for them?
But you can get it too.
Maybe that's the way they just
sounded.
In. 2026.
And offered only at the company.
'S most supportive partners yeah
so it's not an exclusive it's
actually smart So what he.
Did what he did was he released
it to a store specifically right
and he gives it kind of a wave
and an introduction gives them
first kind of right to the
exposure of the of that cigar.
But eventually what happens is,
excuse me, you've.
Kind of saturated.
Your consumers in from that
vicinity and then you go back
and you spread it across your
other consumers, bring it out to
your most supportive.
Partners and then those
retailers.
Then will do the same thing,
they will promote it to the to
their consumers, their people's.
Yeah.
Does World Famous have a online?
No, they have a phone number 0.
OK, by phone.
Yeah.
So that's good then?
Bolcock Brothers.
Releases Syracuse Bandit Cigar
Line.
Uh oh, the Bolcock boys are at
it again.
Bocock Brothers has added
another college themed cigar to
its portfolio as the company has
released the Syracuse special
edition Karaha Dominating the
colleges.
Bocock, Pretty Girls.
Zach.
The blend features of Honduran
Coro.
Creepy.
The blend features on Honduran.
Coroho rapper, a Nicaraguan
binder in a combination of
Honduran and Nicaraguan village.
The company has not yet
confirmed the size of the cigar,
but appears to be maybe a 6 by
52 Toro size that has been used
through the company's collegiate
series.
Or whatever size you guys like.
It doesn't matter it.
Just doesn't matter it.
Honestly doesn't matter, no.
It's a brilliant marketing ploy,
right?
You?
You know, they're covering a
place that that no one in the US
cigar industry has done before.
They're they're aiming
specifically at cigar college
markets.
And guess what?
If you're alumni, Syracuse,
you're going to buy the cigar.
You want the cigar.
Yes, we love the Boca.
We love the Boca.
What's in it?
Who cares?
It says my.
It says Syracuse.
It's got my brand.
It's got my college right.
It's Bukaki.
It works.
It's not bukaki.
Yeah, that's.
Weird.
Pricing is set at 2:00. $190.00
per box for 20 cigars, which
works out to about 1450 a cigar.
Oh, perfect.
Maybe 14. 50 or is it?
Is it 14?
It works out to about somewhere.
Around Vocock.
Brothers Collegiate series also.
Includes branded cigars for.
I didn't realize they'd done all
these colleges.
Yeah.
Wake Forest, Alabama, Missouri,
Louisiana, Louisiana State,
Mississippi State, Ole Miss,
Texas A&M and Florida.
Oh, no, Alabama.
I'm sorry.
R&R is working on that.
Those are big, big schools.
Well, the company has not.
Yet confirmed where the Syracuse
Special Edition Crow Ho is being
made.
It is previously said that it
produces its cigars at an
undisclosed factory.
There you go, It doesn't matter
again.
The factory is, it doesn't
matter, you know, and that's
brilliant, that's brilliant.
We actually really is in the.
Research and Development
Department at Alabama.
Dude, these guys are going to
build a.
Big, not a big, but a good book
of business just by focusing on
these college and you know what,
I don't hate them for it.
I think it's a great idea.
It's a great idea.
I thought the younger people
were like.
Against cigar smoking.
Not all over the alumni.
Yeah, you know, like it doesn't.
Matter, the old rich guys.
That used to go to school there
that donate a bunch of money any
way that you can figure out.
To penetrate a new market, to
expose people to cigars is a
good thing for this industry.
So look, I don't care if it's
toilet paper wrapped up with a
band on it and they're calling
it.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter long as it
says Syracuse on it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you like to announce a
Postana?
P For Pittsburgh University
Pittsburgh that's got APP
Pittsburgh No, you got to go.
You got to go.
Phoenix.
No, You got to Philadelphia.
Ivy League one idly college
shirts with.
AP Princeton.
Start with Princeton.
Princeton.
There we go.
Or Harvard and Harvard shirts
with an H you won't wear.
It's a.
Little Yeah, they're all those.
You start with AP.
Y&H are the.
Pi want to focus on markets
where.
People are so anti any of it and
I want to go in there and change
their minds.
Well, they're not.
Kind of like the Polish.
People there, old white guys,
it's probably a lot of Pollocks
I go to.
Princeton or Yale or he drops
the races by the.
Pollocks, I am, I'm I'm
polished.
Too.
We think he makes it OK then,
yeah.
You're known as German, yeah.
Come on, we know the rules.
We know the rules.
You know the rules, I don't.
Tell him by we know the rules
you can insult.
Yourself.
You can insult your own people.
Yeah, there you go.
Then it's.
OK, Fonseca do Nord.
Or Canada.
What was that?
Oh, that was it's.
Fonseca DU.
Do Nord NORDERER Canada we need
to get John.
Mcavage on the phone, we got to
see what I imagine it's some
type of French or.
Something.
Yeah, obviously.
Slated for early 20. 26, a new
addition regional release from
the Cuban made Fonseca brand is
slated to arrive in Canada in
early 2026.
It's called the Fonseca do Nord
Era Busto Extra, measuring 5 1/2
by 52.
That's called Genos in a Cuban
cigar world.
Is that generous?
GENIOS Spanish for generous I
guess.
Makes sense?
The same vitola.
As a Cohiba whatever the H
Upman, Connoisseur A and the
handful of other additional
regional releases, production is
limited to 6000 boxes of 10
cigars for a total run of 60,000
cigars we can count.
Pricing has not yet been
announced, but the cigars are
scheduled to be on retail
shelves in February.
They just don't have any
pricing.
Just waiting to see if prices go
up on.
Other cigars according to it,
Right, Right.
You see?
What happens on the first of the
year, then we'll decide you
don't know tariffs and all this
other stuff.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe they're making
them at the Altatus factory and
they can't get them.
Or, allegedly, maybe they're
made in Canada.
Chain Z is uh.
Shut it down, according to a
source familiar.
With the release, while images
of the cigars and their standard
banding have been released, they
will be required to comply with
Canada's plain packaging
standards, and they will arrive
at retailers in dull,
nondescript boxes and take the
fun right out of all of it.
But there will be the 11th.
Addition regional release for
Canada and the first in
approximately 7 1/2 years took a
long time make these and
there's.
A list of all the.
Other ones they've made.
Bloody bloody, bloody, bloody,
bloody, bloody, bloody.
The Fonseca brand is.
Not one often used for addition
regional releases.
In fact, this will be the third
time it has been selected since
the program began in 2005.
All right, you guys ready?
This is the last one for the
year, is it?
Yes.
You mean the last?
One with.
Two cigars.
This is the last full.
Game tomorrow, you're
interviewing Santa Claus.
This is the last full Game
tomorrow you're interviewing
Santa Claus.
Oh, OK.
What Santa Claus doesn't smoke
cigars?
Yes, if he doesn't play, what's
the?
Score.
Why not, hey?
There's a story here about a
cigar.
We're not doing.
I'm going to, I'm going to wish
for this.
You're going to what wish for?
Santa Claus to play.
What's the score?
Why don't you do enough for
Santa to play?
I'm.
Going to write a I'm going to
write a letter then.
Write a letter to Santa you.
Better send it express if you
want him to get it by tomorrow.
It's magic.
He doesn't have to you.
Can just throw it in the
mailbox, it'll arrive right?
Better hurry and get it done
then.
Now the.
Last, what's the score for 2025?
What's the score?
So I can't even get it right
now.
Cigar number one is from
December 22nd, 2025.
Brooks Whittington Cigars
Dominican Republic General Cigar
Company Limited Edition.
This is a redux.
It's already been reviewed once
but we didn't do it.
The Cao Arcana Thunder smoke we
have smoked.
It on the show.
I don't think we gave it a.
Good review.
Do we?
Do you want to go first or you
want me to go first?
On this one, I'll go first.
OK. 65. 86.
The Cao.
Arcana Thunder Smoke Country of
origin Dominican Republic
Factory General Cigar Dominicana
Rapper Honduras Orlancho San
Augustine Binder Mexico San
Andreas Filler Cameroon, South
African and Zimbabwe 6 1/2 by 50
two, 1299 Original release date
September 2024 The only smoked
one cigar 'cause it's a redux.
I'm not going to tell you the
original story.
That I thought that would give
too much of it away, yeah.
But I do have it boots 70. 86.
Clue #1 The.
Cigar delivers a rich and
evolving flavor profile
highlighted by strong espresso,
creamy oak, Raisin, Raisin
sweetness and later what
sawdust.
No positions into coffee beans
and charred meat, maintaining
full flavor throughout the
smoke.
Sounds like he likes it. 7587.
Despite a massive band.
Covering most of the cigar, the
rapper shows appealing character
with a dark mottled brown color,
toothy texture and complex pre
light aromas that include
barnyard, cedar, spices and
Raisin sweetness, all of which
carried nicely into the Cold
Draw Retro Ale.
It's the holiday.
Season 82.
Big jump.
Oh big jump for you.
I'm I'm just feeling good at 87
clue number.
Three construction.
Is inconsistent with early burn
issues requiring multiple touch
ups and a reoccurring need for
correction in the final third,
along with an occasional
metallic note replacing the more
pleasant floral nuances from the
first half. 82, 85.
Final.
Thought considering where some
of the tobacco is used in the
blend is grown, I remain a bit
surprised at how few overly
unique flavors there are in this
profile.
Having said that, the profile is
enjoyable, especially the first
half which features a
combination of creamy oak and
charred meat in the top spots.
In addition, while the overall
construction was a bit better,
it still had to keep my lighter
handy throughout the two hour
smoking time.
After a year of rest, the cigar
is now a better smoke than it
was when it was first released
and has evolved enough to make
it one of the standout releases
in the Arcana lineup so far.
You say the word.
Outstanding.
In these cigars, it is the best
of the worst cigars in the world
of the cigar not all.
Cigars.
Truly stands out above in the
world of Cao.
This cigar, the Arcade King And
who's the Who's the who's?
The Raider, Brooks.
You should be paying attention,
Brooks.
Yeah, you should be paying
attention.
I'll.
Be playing with you later.
It's going to be 87.
This is an 87.
He rates all this stuff high.
He cheated.
Didn't he?
No, I didn't.
Cheat he would have to have.
Seen it this morning, went up.
This morning I don't.
Ever go on their website?
He can't spell happily.
Oh.
God.
I thought this.
One was going to be easy and
then he just.
Did that to me.
Well, I'm not going to tie.
Him I'm going to go 88, OK, the
original.
Review scored in 80.
Five.
OK, this one scored.
In 80.
Seven.
Yes, he cheated.
I did.
Not cheat, that's.
The first one I ever nailed.
He cheated.
No, I knew it was.
An 87.
I just couldn't stay at the same
number.
How would you know it's 87?
Because he cheated, he read.
It too, I felt it.
I felt it in my bones.
I I just was like.
He always writes everything.
It sounded great but then
horrible.
Take his phone away.
I'm not even on.
My phone, well, I try.
To do 2 positive one.
Negative.
I mean, there's no other way to
do it.
I can't just do it the way it is
because they don't give all bad
or all good comments.
The only thing I did on my
phone.
Is I messaged Julian Gordon?
Tell me quick, what's the
Thunder?
Smoke Rated no, that's what he
texted.
No, I sent.
Him a picture of us podcasting
sent him a picture of his Dick
Julian.
Here's my Dick.
Send me a pic, tell me what this
was.
Wow, it went dark.
Why are you so aggressive over
there?
I I like aggressive Palmer.
Super aggressive, all right,
this is.
The second cigar.
May 6th, 2011.
Jeez.
Charlie Minato, OH.
Boy, 92.
He should have went first.
It's a Pinar del.
Rio 1878 Cubano especial Kappa
Maduro lancero.
It's a wine cigar.
Nope, it had the longest name I
could.
Find of any cigar piano Del Rio.
Piano Del Rio Cubano.
Cubano.
Especial Kappa Maduro.
Lancero Kappa Maduro.
Lancero.
This one is so old the.
Review is.
Written different.
It took me a little longer to do
86.
Like where's my?
Standard.
When did they start?
Reviewing cigars. 2005.
Is that what it was?
Something like that?
OK.
This one was not tagged with
their.
Other name So this was one of
the original half wheelies, I
think 8680.
Six from the man over there.
All right, 85.
All right.
Where you said the name, it's.
Very long.
It's a lancero.
It's a 7 and a quarter by 3/8.
The rapper's Brazilian
adaparaca.
Adaparaca.
Triple fermented.
Binder.
Dominican Creoho, 90. 8 Filler
Dominican Creolo 98 and
Nicaraguan Creolo 98 country
Dominican Republic factory
tablet Calera Don Leonos Leonci
Leonci.
MSRP. $5.55, $5 and. 55 cents
yes 80 this one it.
Spent 13 months in his humidor.
He was a Zicar cutter.
He used a Calibri boss two
lighter.
Oh wow, he drank a coke smoking.
Time was one hour and 40.
What was he watching on TV?
That's the only thing he does at
list.
I had a hard time finding the
score.
We're never going to.
I feel like.
I feel like.
He watches.
Animal Planet, Animal Planet, I
think he's a lot of animal.
Planet.
He's a big soccer.
Guy. 80 I can see that 85, 80.
Five.
That's where I was.
I don't care.
I didn't listen to you now.
I'm not doing anything that you
say.
Oh, you both said 8585.
Wow.
Clue number.
One, the cigar shows a
surprising and impressive
recovery in the second third,
delivering A consistent and
enjoyable profile of oak, herb,
cocoa and moderate spice with a
lengthy full bodied finish 86.
85.
All brain hurt.
Clue #2.
Visually, the thick pigtail and
dark Brazilian.
Rapper.
Paired with the black bands
create a bold, striking
presentation and when on point,
the cigar offers artesian style
characters with respectable
strength in the medium to
medium.
Full range 80. 6.
Mr. Booty Guy he's talking
about.
The cigar like it's.
The best cigar ever.
This is 2011.
It may have been.
And this is a happier time for
him.
This is a young.
Of yet to be stricken down by
the industry.
Yeah, young sprout Charlie.
Yes, he was.
He had short hair.
Back when he had short hair, he
had short hair.
Yeah, yeah, just spikes.
He was yakuza at that.
Point.
Yeah, he was yakuza before.
He had his body tattoo
completely coming.
Yeah, it was like a it was like
the end of Dragon.
Ball Z yeah, this was he had.
Just the Rook Super Saiyan Super
saiyan auto. 87 clue #3.
Flavor consistency is a major
issue, as multiple samples
suffered from harsh, foul pine
and rotting wood, notes 1.
So bad.
It had to be put.
Down early while the final third
becomes dull and collapsed in
complexity, undermining the
overall experience.
Is this the final one?
There's a, there's one.
More paragraph, but they weren't
called.
Final thoughts back there.
It was called in the end in the
end.
So I'm using.
That as the final thought.
In the end, 82.
Rotting wood rotting.
Wood and.
Something about the pine.
Being rotting wood.
Moldy Wood Rook 82 What are you
going?
To do 85 Isley Whisper.
Can only hear he's cooked.
He's cooked.
Got him.
My God did.
You hear that, Boots?
Yeah, I heard.
That he's got headphones on,
Well, that.
Was the question if we.
Whispered because Mikey couldn't
hear me, but only you could.
Oh yeah, so say the number.
Well, I don't have headphones
on.
In the end, now that you
experienced your first El Nino
Diablo PSA in a while, some
parting thoughts on the PD.
On the PDR, I haven't had any.
I haven't had any in any of the
other vitolas, but in a couple
of conclusions.
A The Lancero vitola might not
be a good idea for this blend.
B.
These don't seem to age well.
They were marked as medium and
as outreach to the value price
would jump out to the value
price market.
Neither of which explained the
cigar.
I like Brazilian rappers of both
varieties.
I like lanceros, I like cigars,
so don't try to be too much in
terms of strength.
Unfortunately, I don't like this
limited vocabulary for Charlie.
Monroe Yeah, Well, very.
I don't like.
I don't like Charlie no like
Vitola.
I like Lancero.
I no like.
This lancero, Charlie no like
lancero.
Well, Brazilian Araparaka.
I no like this Araparaka.
Probably when he first wrote it,
it was probably.
Way worse than that.
I can't wait till I know more.
Words.
This is a horrible cigar and.
Everyone said, oh wait, I can't
write that.
Let's go back to creative
writing.
I went to my creative writing
class.
I caught with Columbry.
Carter.
All right.
Is that it?
Yes, sorry, it's hard to tell,
but yes, but he has I know like
he gives the score and.
Then there's comments.
After the score.
So it's not like the other ones
where you read it and then
there's a score, so you read it.
The score is in a paragraph.
I had to find it and then
there's an explanation of the
score. 80 What you going to do
booty?
What you going to do?
When Charlie come looking for
you, Haruk.
Mikey has to hit it on the.
Head to beat me today so I'm
going to go 79 OK so hold on no
you.
Already said.
Your score, that's fine.
That's.
Fine, I'm going.
To I'm going, that's fine.
I'm going to tell you I think he
won because I think it's going
to go lower than that.
Oh yeah, it's a 66.
Yes.
The second, third.
Is the only part that piqued my
interest and I'm indifferent to
whether it's worth the small
price of admission.
That was.
He has never changed the way
that he rates a cigar or how he
talks about it.
I mean, I guess like he's used
more.
Elaborate.
Words.
More words, yeah, I guess, but I
drank a Coke.
He's.
Still saying the.
Raisin, nutty blah blah blah.
I had a coke.
Now Ronnie Wood, I don't know
how I.
Don't even know how that would
smell.
Got my boardroom shirt on today.
Yes.
Why is that important?
Because I like boardroom.
I heard you on the phone.
Earlier, right before you came
in here saying, oh, maybe you
were just talking to him or
something.
You were saying I'm going to
wear it on the podcast today.
No, I was just talking about.
Apparel in general, like if, you
know, sometimes I'll wear a
shirt that somebody gave me to
give him a shout out.
Yeah, me as well.
So you don't.
You're not.
You don't even have a.
Camera.
I'll take a picture and put it
on the Internet.
Take a picture.
Funny, most of them are as he's
changing though.
It's weird.
I'm going to.
He sort of holds his shirt.
Up as he's not buying.
Anything nice for his wife
because she doesn't like
anything.
She doesn't like any girl stuff
apparently.
What does she like?
Just curious, she told me for
her Christmas present.
She wanted the house painted and
our dog tore up our couches so
she wants the couches fixed.
The couch is.
Fixed not not new.
Couches.
No, no, she wants them.
She really likes the couches, so
she just wants them fixed.
So are you going to get?
Are you going to?
What are you doing for
Christmas?
Are you going to paint the house
you think would be easy?
I mean.
I'm not construction, but yeah.
The the house will be painted
OK, all right.
Fellas, come on over on
Christmas.
Day, I need all of you at the
house.
Yeah.
Merry Christmas.
Merry.
Christmas we're painting.
Yay Christmas bonus.
Everybody gets to help, hey?
Everybody grab a roller.
All right.
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Yep.
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