ACHP Episode 450 Huggy Bear Mikey

Episode Summary

Mike Palmer, co-host Mikey ("Huggy Bear") and engineer Phil return for episode 450 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast. The show opens with shop and swag talk — new retailers carrying Powstanie San Andres Corona Gorda (Celery City in Sanford FL, Fine Ash in Glendale AZ, En Fuego Cigars in Las Vegas, Tobacology with Brett Frey, and Two Guys Cigars in New Hampshire), the "Smoke & Subscribe" shirt and a very limited run of CH Pod beanies, plus a Patreon shout-out to listener Ben Wilhelmi and a running gag about podcast chart rankings versus The Cigar Authority.

The news block covers Verizon's roughly 10-hour nationwide outage and the $20 goodwill account credit customers must claim through the My Verizon app — which sets off a Palmer rant about corporations making refunds harder than charges. From there the guys dig into the federal indictment charging 26 people in an international point-shaving and game-fixing conspiracy spanning the Chinese Basketball Association and NCAA Division I men's basketball, with bribes of $10,000–$30,000 per game to players at schools like DePaul, Tulane, Eastern Michigan and Kennesaw State. That leads to a longer conversation about officiating, NFL referee pay, replay from league headquarters, and whether bigger leagues are equally compromised. A lighter sports item on Katie Ledecky's second-fastest 1500m freestyle prompts Mikey's own high school swimming stories.

Cigar news starts with Casa Carrillo's new three-cigar social media exclusive collector's box, each stick a unique unreleased blend, awarded through contests and sweepstakes in the brand's "digital ecosystem." That becomes the episode's best segment: a real discussion of cigar brand age demographics — whether Casa Carrillo (and La Gloria Cubana, Montecristo White, Romeo y Julieta) skew older, how Powstanie, RoMa Craft, Lost & Found and Foundation track younger, and how a brand keeps recruiting new smokers as its core audience ages. Next, Davidoff's 11 Exclusive Series editions for 2026 offered to retailers and distributors celebrating anniversaries, now in Bellicoso, Gran Toro and Perfecto with Dominican, Ecuadorian, Nicaraguan and US tobaccos.

The guys also read a press release from Tyler Jeffries of Patina y Viso for Leprechaun Dust, a limited 5x52 Candela Robusto made at NACSA in Estelí, distributed by City of Palms, $12.50 per cigar, 200 bundles of 10, already sold out at the manufacturer level and inspired by Chicago's dyed green river and a conversation with Gustavo "Gus" Cura of Oliva Tobacco. The episode closes with a round of "What's the Score" on an infused cigar for the first time — the Acid 20 Toro from Drew Estate, reviewed by Brooks Whittington in 2020 — with Phil and Mikey landing on 87 and 86 against an actual score of 86.

In This Episode

1. 01
   Swag, Retailers and Podcast Rankings
   New shops carrying Powstanie San Andres Corona Gorda, the Smoke & Subscribe shirt, limited beanies, and a joke feud over who's really the #1 cigar podcast.
2. 02
   Verizon Outage and the $20 Credit
   How to claim Verizon's goodwill credit after the 10-hour nationwide outage, and why Palmer thinks corporations should just credit accounts automatically.
3. 03
   NCAA and Chinese Basketball Fixing Scandal
   Twenty-six people indicted in an international point-shaving conspiracy touching 17 college programs, and what it says about betting money in sports.
4. 04
   Officiating, Refs and League Integrity
   NFL referee salaries, suspicious penalty swings, replay from league headquarters, and whether bribing officials is easier than bribing star players.
5. 05
   Katie Ledecky and Swim Talk
   Ledecky's second-fastest 1500m freestyle ever leads into Mikey's own high school swimming career in the 50, 100 and 500.
6. 06
   Casa Carrillo's Social Media Collector's Box
   Three unreleased blends awarded through social contests, and whether Casa Carrillo's audience is even on those platforms.
7. 07
   Cigar Brands and Age Demographics
   An honest look at which brands skew older or younger, why La Gloria Cubana reads as a classic, and how a brand keeps attracting new smokers as it ages.
8. 08
   Davidoff Exclusive Series 2026
   Eleven anniversary editions for retailers and distributors in Bellicoso, Gran Toro and Perfecto, with undisclosed multi-country blends.
9. 09
   Patina y Viso Leprechaun Dust
   Tyler Jeffries' limited Candela Robusto made at NACSA in Estelí, priced at $12.50, 200 bundles, already sold out at the manufacturer level.
10. 10
    What's the Score: Acid 20 Toro
    The crew guesses the review score on their first-ever infused cigar, debating whether traditional palates can still enjoy an Acid.

Brands & Cigars Discussed

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Transcript

Welcome to the Cigar Hustler Podcast Episode 402. Mike Palmer, your host, and with me today in Engineering is Phil. The fans are happy you're back. I do not know who it is.

What? Phil is not officially back, is he? Sure. Okay.

He's not happy to be back. Yeah, no kidding. All right. And my co-host, Mikey.

Hey, Palmer, look, now we get Coach Preston notifications on our YouTube account. Oh, we do. Step on Kevin. Isn't that amazing?

Isn't that amazing? I don't know how that happened. I subscribed. Oh, did you?

Yeah. That's very nice. And then I comment, too. And you commented, too.

Oh, you're so great. Look at you. I love the white shirt. Yeah, pretty much.

Nice. On today's show, we have a Verizon update, and there is some credit information for time loss. Okay. There's a scandal afoot in college and Chinese basketball that could affect the moneymakers.

Uh-oh. Then, you asked for it, so we have more sports news. Yes. Then, in cigars, Davidoff has a new set.

Someone has a social media special cigar. We got a press release sent to us to an almost dead email account that we don't use, but we're going to read it anyway. Perfect. And then finally, a mini game of what's the score.

But first, Huggy Bear, how did we get some of that sweet, sweet CH Pod swag? " Right. And then we said that his dad was still alive. I got confused with the Monday things.

And you were gonna wear it, and you didn't. How do you know? Maybe my dad wore this shirt. No, you didn't.

He didn't. He didn't. It's the red one underneath. And so, again, here I am, the one that delivers all the time, consistently shows up, provides, and does all these things, and then, you know, then there's you, because you didn't do it.

So this is, my father was, you know, he actually took over Gotham at one period in time. Oh, nice. He was a pimp? Yeah, no, he was famous for blowing up stadium as well.

Oh, wow. And yeah, football, during a football game. Yes. At least Phil got the...

Good job, good job, Phil. Thanks. Thank you. So glad to have Phil.

Posani San Andreas, Corona Gordas is out in the wild, and I have five more retailers that I'd like to mention today before I get going: Celery City in Sanford, Florida, Fine Ash, Glendale, Arizona, also partners with the Ceniza Fina, En Fuego Cigars in Las Vegas, Nevada, our dear friend and former hardcore podcaster, He's a podcast listener who's on, obviously, a hiatus. Former podcast listener? Yeah. Brett Frey of Tobacology.

He doesn't listen to us anymore? I don't think he does. I don't think he has time. I don't think he does.

We got to call him today to find out. And Two Guys Cigars in New Hampshire, our dear friends at the Cigar Authority, thank you very much for your support. If you guys are interested in Postana San Andreas and you want your retailer If you want to carry it, have them reach out to us or comment below. com where you can buy one, get the second one 40% off, spend $100 or more and get free shipping.

Our most recent release is the Smoke & Subscribe shirt. One's already out in the wild. Shipped today. Yep.

Or last week. That's my guy, Team Money, you know. And, uh, yeah, and, and I'm working, I'm, I'm gonna do my best to have a, we're only gonna have like three or four beanies, that's all we're gonna have, just for the record. And I'm having one.

Is that all we're having, the three or four? Yeah. Does that include the three of us? I'm not, I don't need one.

Oh. I won't need one. I need one. So we're gonna have like, so Ben Wilhelmi is gonna get the one, one beanie.

Ben's, Ben, yeah, Ben's gonna get the... Also, Ben just commented on one of the, uh, one of our podcasts, yeah. Oh. Hold on.

They say Palmer's great, I love Palmer. " Wow. Ah. Yeah.

Hey, people miss Phil. There you go. Good to have you back, Philly. And Ben is 100% correct.

If Ben comes to town, I just want you to know, he's not dropping the- Oh, no, no, no, no. He's not dropping the 500. He's just in. He's just in.

Sure. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely.

Flawing her plan, her boots. Well, you know what? I mean, I was going to agree to that until he said the thing about failing the boots then. Oh, man.

Fortunately for Ben, you don't have a say in the matter. Congratulations. Hey, did you guys know? I got some breaking news for you guys.

Okay, tell me. Did you guys know that we're ranked the number one podcast for Industry Insiders? Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Alright. I like that it burns you a little bit. It does, it's funny. I did run into the Cigar Guys yesterday, and they showed me where it shows they are the number one show, so.

Really? Yep. What's it say? On Shopify?

Yeah, on Spotify, if you look up, I forget how we did it, Cigar Podcast, not Cigar Show, not just cigars, you have to look up specifically Cigar Podcast. And where do we rank on that? We don't show because we don't consider, we don't have our, we're not called the Cigar Podcast anyway. It's not a podcast anyway.

Even though it says the Cigar Hustlers podcast. Right. It doesn't go by the name. It goes by how you list yourself.

How do we list ourselves? Well, now we're a network because we have the other guys. Yeah, we're a network. Ah.

So we're the number one cigar hustler, cigar network. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

And men, 18 to 54. There you go. You got to make yourself searchable, super specific to be the number one. Is that what's going on?

I guess so. Well, like I told you, it's not so much what you can prove. It's what that you claim. The Cigar Guys, what's their show?

Cigar Authority? Yeah, Cigar Authority, they're not a cigar podcast, when I looked them up. They're listed in entertainment and comedy. Yeah.

Smart. Okay. All right, thanks for the breaking news. No problem.

All right, you feel better now? You feel better, Phil? No, I do not feel better, but I will continue. All right, earlier this week, Verizon experienced a major nationwide wireless outage that disrupted service It was for many customers across the United States for about 10 hours.

Is your phone back working and everything now? Yes. 10 hours? I thought you said it was the whole day.

Yeah, it was the whole day. That's a whole work day for most people. I woke up and it was working. During the outage, customers weren't able to make calls, send texts, or use mobile data, and many phones showed an SOS signal instead of a normal network connection.

In response, Verizon announced it would provide affected customers with a... Have you heard about this yet? $20. Did you get it?

You could have just said yes. Wait, there's some things you have to do to get it. Yeah, so I'm not, I'm not doing it. $20 account credit is a goodwill gesture for the inconvenience.

While the company acknowledged that no amount of credit fully compensates for loss of service, the credit is designed to help cover multiple days of service you couldn't use because of the outage. Here's what you need to know to get the credit. Watch for a text or notification. Verizon says customers who were affected will receive a text message when the credit becomes available.

You haven't got the text message. I did get the text message. Oh, you did? Yep.

That message will include instructions on how to accept it. Are they complicated? You gotta take a picture with this text message next to the SOS satellite over in Cambodia. Oh, what they did was brilliant.

You know, here's what's remarkable to me. Are you gonna keep going? Go ahead, I'll let you keep going, and then I'll finish. Two, use my Verizon app.

Once notified, log into my Verizon app with your account credentials. From there, you should see an option to accept the $20 credit to your account. If it doesn't appear right away, be patient. It may take a little time for your account to update in the app.

As we're having network problems. All right, go ahead. What were you going to say? You know, this is the kind of things that frustrate me about corporations, okay?

Because the reality is, they take my money every month. Automated. I don't have to say anything. I don't have to do anything.

Click a text message or anything. It's designed to say, "Hey, we just took your money. " That's it. "Hey, we just took your money.

" Hey, by the way, you had no money in your account. We costed you a reoccurring fee, and we're going to wait to take your money when the money's out. Right. Just so you know, there's going to be an additional fee because that money didn't go through, so we're going to need more money on the money, and as soon as the money's there, we're taking it without saying anything.

I'm not saying anything. And you're broke. But you can't put the 20 back? It should be super easy.

Automatic. It should be no problem for them to just say, here's your 20 bucks. Right? Or, you know what, hey, we're just going to waive the month fee or whatever.

I would much rather just an apology. Like, hey, really sorry about that. Did you read the apology? I have an official apology from Verizon.

But that's all I had to say. I'm not looking for the, I don't need the credit or I'm not, you know, I wasn't even agitated by it. Like, shit happens. Right?

navigated through the day, figured it out, called the next people back tomorrow, said, hey, really sorry about that. My phone crashed. I was, you know, whatever. I was sick.

Right. But, like, whoever's running this part, I'm like, you know what? You should probably be fired. We're going to give them $20 back, and in order to get the $20 back, they've got to fill out this application and do all this bullshit.

Like, that's ridiculous. Either just put the $20 back on my account or just credit my account. So they should have just credited your account next month. Here's a $20 discount for next month, and we're done here.

I'm not feeling it. I don't know how that works, if they can send you, I mean, I know technically they can, but I don't know if they have access to your account to put money back in. Right, so to make it easier, all they have to do is say, hey, we're going to give everybody who's affected $20 off the next month. Right.

Done. That's called a credit. Over. Inconvenience fee or something, just list it as a line item.

Boop, over. Yeah, and it was like half the United States, so why wouldn't they just do the whole... Right, well, they know that we're not going to fill that out. Right, nobody's going to fill out, yeah, not nobody, but half the people won't fill out the form, So we only had to send back $60, boss.

It was great. I mean, I'm not wasting my time on the 20 bucks. I'm not doing it. Is it 20 bucks per phone?

No. Per account. So Greg will do it. There's 80 million things going on right now.

You know, between the podcast, between wholesale, between retail, between online, between coaching. I mean, like, you know, being a good husband, like making sure I'm taking care of my wife. I mean, all of these things, cars fucking getting painted. There's a hundred things going on in my life, and I'm sure it's a hundred things going on in everybody else's life.

Oh, you still have that car? What? My car? Yeah.

They still have his car. Yeah, I saw it yesterday. He goes to visit it. I saw it yesterday.

They painted the majority of it. " Is it the same color? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you sit in it and go vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom?

You guys shake it a little bit for me, like we're going around a corner. No. I can't wait to see you when you get out. Oh, I can't wait.

Can't wait to see it. I can't wait to get my car back. I miss you. I'm going to get you the best gas.

I always do give it the best gas. I'm going to get it washed. It always gets the best gas. It's actually got to go to the shop, too, because it's got an oil leak.

That's the next thing. Oh, it's at a body shop, not another place? They can't fix it while they're waiting? No, I trust one guy with my car.

It's Lemon Chasers in Orlando. They are the best. What? What a name that is.

I know. I know. Lemon Chasers. Yep.

They're the best. I was at a bar one night, I had a lemon chaser. Did you? Yeah.

That was a long time ago, though. Yeah, well, I don't go to bars anymore. Is that a drink? Yeah.

You need to keep as many brain cells intact as possible. Well, actually, alcohol erases them, does not delete them. What's the difference? Yeah.

Because you can put information back in. If they're deleted, you can't put information back in. Ah, so it doesn't kill them. Right.

I say delete, but kill, it just blinks them. Okay. If that's more of a vernacular you understand, then yes. - Well, erase and delete are pretty much the same thing.

- Delete, delete, erase, erase. - Yeah. But I understand what you're saying now. Okay.

All right. So, yeah. I mean, that's my rant about Verizon. - Mm.

- Let's give them a $20 credit on the account. - Give me $20 back in the... - Put $20 in the envelope when they mail them out. Just put these people's in there.

Somebody's got to close the envelope. Stick a $20 bill in. - $20 in the envelope. - Let's credit the accounts.

It's so easy. Well, if that was too hard, put the $20 in the envelope. Palmer, maybe they did that in 1920, but they don't send envelopes of money anymore from corporations. I mean, they know it was affected because they texted me.

Right. So they know you're on the list. So they know. Right.

Hey, here's 20. Did Brittany get the same text? No, I don't think so. I think I'm the main, I'm the primary.

You're the main, the primary? Yeah. That was yours, like all three of you got the text message? Greg would go.

Okay, the count of three. Everybody hit the pay button and get this money back three times. 60 bucks. We're up 60.

We're up 60. Got him. Another vacation for me. Another vacation.

Not for Greg. Yeah, for Greg. 20 bucks. Okay.

All right. Next story. All right. In a sweeping scandal that has rocked the world of college basketball, federal prosecutors unsealed an indictment this week, charging 26 individuals in an alleged international point-shaving and game-fixing conspiracy.

The scheme spanned both the Chinese Basketball Association and the NCAA Division I men's basketball, targeting more than 39 players, at least 17 different college programs, and influencing over 29 games between 2022 and 2025. Investigators allege the operation started overseas with games in China. There, fixers recruited and bribed players, including former NBA scorer Antonio Blakeney? B-L-A-K-E-N-E-Y?

Blakeney? You know that guy? He must not be that good. He's playing in China.

No, no, no. He was... Former. Former.

He was a former NBA scorer. Oh, but he's playing for China now, you mean? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, but I guess, yeah, as far as that one goes, but the college games, too.

I don't know. I've never heard of the guy. S. college game.

Once the scheme moved to NCAA plays, Fixers allegedly recruited college athletes by offering bribes ranging from $10,000 to $30,000 per game to intentionally miss shots, turn the ball over, or otherwise affect the score in ways that would benefit their wagers. Among the charged players are current and former athletes from schools including DePaul, Tulane, Eastern Michigan, Kennesaw State, Delaware State, Alabama State, and Texas Southern, some of whom have appeared in games as recently. the season even though the specific allegations relate to earlier seasons the charges brought in federal court in Philadelphia include bribery in sporting contest conspiracy and wire fraud and they carry significant prison and fine exposures if convicted authorities say the case represents a historic threat to the integrity of amateur sports where the presumption is athletes compete fairly and honestly for the love of the game okay we can we can we can We continue to hear about these things over and over again, right? This is a serious issue that's going on in all sports.

It's always existed, but now it's just more and more apparent. It's coming to light now. Well, it's just so much, there's so much more money involved now that it's through the roof. I mean, those allegations are from 2021 up to 2025.

Right. There's only 29 games? I don't buy that for a second. Well, there's more that's just 29 that someone tattled on.

That they can prove, right. They found financial records where the players were giving the money. Right. So there's definitely more.

Yeah. And there's definitely going to be more going. There's more in, I believe, in the NBA and the NFL and all these bigger leagues, right? They're earmarking the amateur series.

But, dude, this stuff is just going to continue to get worse. I feel like actually more for, like, NFL, you could see it more throughout, like, the course of the beginning of the season, kind of the middle of the season, and then they slowly kind of peeled it back at that point. It wasn't so apparent in so many games, or the ones I saw at least. Yeah, so do you know how they find the odds in Vegas?

No. So how they find the odds is they usually take the last five games, they add it, and then divide it. So if it's the over-under for total points, or the spread, or whatever it was, that's what they normally do. So in the beginning of the season, it's a little harder, right?

Because they have to use the previous season where players are different. So yeah, so in the beginning of the season, it looks like they're screwing the pooch, sorry, but once the rest of the season starts going on, they have a little bit more data and stuff, so it looks a little bit closer, but I will tell you, it is kind of crazy that you could get a spread of like three and a half, let's say for football, and it was only, you know, it was like four, and you're like, what the... Well, I'm not even saying as far as them getting the spread right or wrong. I'm talking about the things that occur on the field where you're like, man, that is such a bad call.

I understand that refs will make mistakes. I get that. I understand that refs will miss calls from time to time. I understand that there's a hold on almost every single play on offense.

I get all that. I get all that. But some of the calls and the way that some of these things played out throughout, especially this season, I'm like, whoa, man. That's not even, you're not even trying to hide it at this point.

Almost like every Buffalo Bill game. Yeah, you feel like the Bill's. When you watch that, like, usually in like the third and fourth quarter, you're like, how did the Bill's get back into this? They're like, wait a second.

Then you watch the penalties, like, oh, the Bill's, you know, the other team had, you know, 10 penalties for 300 yards, like 300 yards, Jesus, like, what penalties did they get? Right, and then the next game, there's zero penalties on that team. Right. You know, it's like, wait a second, so they cleaned it all up, like, just like that?

But within six days, they're good to go. Right, it's great. Oh, penalties for this game, zero. Like, what?

What is going on? So, you know, I don't know, dude. It's crazy. I hope that they get their act together and straighten it out, however they do.

You know, this story is kind of funny because I've gotten more into college basketball right now, obviously, because March Madness is coming, right? But those schools that they're talking about, there's only one that really holds any weight, and that's Tulane. They're the biggest school out of all those. The other ones are like no-namers, right?

So I could see how they could do that where nobody's really watching those schools. It's easy to get away with? Yeah, it's easy to get away with, right? Yeah, but there's more money on the bigger shows, the bigger games.

Right, that's what I'm saying. So, like, nobody's gonna see, you know, a $30,000 wager on this no-name school and then, oh, they won. Oh, well, yeah, maybe that happened. That's probably why they did it.

It's just kind of weird, too, how it's interchanged with, or it's integrated with Chinese basketball. Chinese is crooked on everything, so, I mean, to the fact that they... Allegedly. Okay.

You can't just say that. Well, the factories I do work with, there's one guy that works there, and his job is to bribe the inspectors that are sent by the government and take them out to dinner. Right. That's his job.

He's the entertainment director. I feel like bribing is a thing in all other countries. Well, you can't just say a kind of broad scale. I don't think Charlie's going to sue us, Michael, I think we're okay.

They could come for us. I don't think so. Well, however, they did lose Maduro. So, you know, they're not that close anymore.

Right. But I mean, the college players were paid $10,000 to $30,000. I mean, to a college student, it's big money. Right.

What would you have to pay a professional athlete to sway a game? I think that that's more ref involved. I think it's not. Well, that's what I was going to ask.

What do reps make? The refs? Refs. Refs, yeah.

What do they make on an average season? I think they're in the millions. They're in the millions. Really?

Really? Yeah, yeah. Here, let me look it up. I don't think that's true.

I don't think that's true, either. I'll look it up. I would bet that they'd probably make $300,000 or $400,000 at best in the NFL. It's probably less than that.

All right. So, entry level, $150,000 to $250,000. Okay. Okay.

Mid to senior level, $250,000 to $550,000. Okay. The most paid veteran officials are $550,000. Okay, so no million dollars.

So no million. Yeah, and then they make more money when they go into, like, the playoffs. You know, that might be the solution, though. You might have to pay the refs more money.

You might have to pay... You're talking about the leagues. Those guys would be easier to bribe than, you know, a football player is making $10 million. Right.

What do you got to give him to, you know, throw $10 million away, possibly? I guess it depends on what the pot is, right? Uncle so-and-so's got to be in debt up to his eyeballs, and in order to wipe that debt clean, you're going to have to do this. But for me, that feels like old school mob style, whereas this is more corporate kind of integrated.

It's like, okay, here's what we're going to do. We're going to take care of this stuff through the refs. And now the scarier part is that it's directly connected to New York, right? So it's like, oh, that wasn't a catch.

Hey, a quick review, that wasn't a catch. Like, wait a second. Oh, 'cause you're talking about the headquarters. Yeah.

Yeah, but the check cleared, so it's not now. Right, yeah, like, listen, the over-unders 47, it wasn't a catch. That virtual thing in the NFL, the virtual check or whatever, to see how far the ball is, I don't like that. You know why?

'Cause you can't see that shit on the TV. Right. It's a computer-generated image. Right.

it's like oh wait oh no it's a first down like wait a second i'm standing right here that's where the ball was i don't think he was there yeah wild dude yeah great but i like the fact that we argue two different things you're more on the side of like no it's okay everything seems kind of legit and i'm like i don't think so i think it's no i don't i i definitely think there is some stuff going on in all the leagues i mean even like korean baseball you know i think it's going in all of them table tennis there could be a guy that has never been beaten but then when And he's the most betted person for that night. He loses. It's like he loses to the worst guy in the league. You're like, what happened?

Right. How'd that go down? Right. Because the guy's in control, but on the other guy.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Perfect.

Moving on. All right. Nine time Olympic gold medalist, Katie Ledecky, clocked the second fastest women's 150 or 1500 meter freestyle time in history on Wednesday. S.

Pro Swim Series event in Austin, Texas with a dominant victory. 31. Becca Mann was third at 16:35. Ledecky didn't threaten her world record at 15:20, set in 2018, but she used a strong late surge to improve on the second best ever time, 15:24, That she had said at the Pro Swim Series in Port Lauderdale, Florida last April.

I don't have much to say. I mean, sports. I feel like Terrence after this one, uh, it's the second best. I mean, what do you want me to talk about?

Yeah. They didn't even bring anything new. Yeah. And she'd be the 16 year old.

Yeah. Well, that's, uh, that's the age group. Yay. I mean, it's not like she's 40.

Okay. All right, Michael, you got a video. We're gonna have to fine tune on. I swam in school.

So I Well, I was interested in the swimming story. Oh, well, how do you feel about this? She did a good job. That's a fast time.

If you could tell. What was your swim time? I didn't do that event. Oh.

The women's 1500 freestyle? Yeah, I didn't do the women's 1500 freestyle. What event did you do? I did the 500 and I also did the 50 and the 100.

The men's? There's a 50? Uh huh. Yeah.

50 meters? 50 meters. Depending on the pool, it's either up and back or just up. Depends on if it's a 25 or 50 meter pool.

What was your best time? I don't remember. It's so long ago. Yeah, it was 1920, I remember that.

Did you really do this? Yeah, the 50 was under a minute. I sucked it to 500, but it's a really long event, it's like 30 laps or something, and I just had to finish. If you finish, you get one point.

Gotcha. " Right. So, I wasn't there to win, I was there to get the one point. Gotcha.

No, I don't have a video today. I thought you came prepared every day. See, I knew that you were setting that up, because I could see that you're agitated and angry, but like, you know, I could see, I could tell, I can tell when I, I've stuck you a couple times, and you're like, and you've been prepared, so I'm going to tell you that I've been focusing on all these other things, like making sure that I have my jacket, or, I would just go on with your comment that you always, that you're always, I am always, if a video, if I come across a video throughout the day that I think is funny, and I want to share it, then I'm going to share it. However, I did look at videos yesterday, but I didn't see anything that was like, oh, this is definitely worthy of being on the podcast.

So I'm still prepared, but I'm not going to waste our viewers' time with something that I don't think is viable. Like, a woman that places second in fucking swimming, right? See how I just countered your shit? See how I just took your bullshit and threw it back at you?

This is your opinion. You don't know if there's somebody out there who's not interested in this. Yeah, but I appreciate the story because this was close to you. I get it.

It was sports that I could relate to. Right. Relatable sports. Have you guys seen the TikTok video?

Are you guys still watching TikTok or are you guys on Reels? Not really. I watch TikToks. Okay, have you seen the TikTok video of where it says like, when you want to show your boss the great job that you did, but maybe you messed up and you're not sure, so you have to, you know, ask him for like credibility or whatever.

Right. And it's like the little boy that has like the dirt all over his face. " No, I have not seen that. I'll have to send it to you.

You have the weirdest feed, bro. I get a lot of the news stories off of TikTok. Do you? Yeah, well, if they mention something interesting, then I'll go and look it up and then I'll pull the story.

The Google Trends is not very interesting anymore. Really? I check on TikTok from time to time, but not often, because look, they're so anti-tobacco. So I don't see the, like, I'm not.

Oh really? Can I follow a bunch of tobacco, a bunch of cigar people? I see cigar stuff all the time on TikTok. As soon as I'm posting a cigar, they're like, we will not promote your video.

You are an evil person. I literally see. Well, I was gonna say, you post all the time on TikTok. Every time I log in to Cigars Podcast, another video, Cigars Podcast.

So if you post a cigar, they don't like that. But if your name is the Cigar Guys, you're all over. Yeah. There's a talking cigar on there now they keep trying to get me to follow.

A talking cigar? Cigar? Yeah. Cigar Talks?

It's, I don't know if it's a cartoon or a guy in a suit, but yeah, it talks, his name is like Rinaldo the Cigar or something. Really? Yeah. Alright, I'll look that up.

Rinaldo. That could have the name wrong, but next time I see it, I'll send it. You think Renier changed his name? You know what you should do is you should save the video and share it with us and we can watch it.

They're not good. Yeah. What? They're not good.

You see, it's like the Bigfoot and the Abominable Snowman videos that were popular. Right. So it's like that now, but it's a talking cigar. Oh.

Are they, but, Are they so bad that it's funny, or no? No. It's just not good. Just not good.

Got it. You think Vernier changed his name to Ronaldo? No. No, I still see his every once in a while.

He had one yesterday, but I can't watch his stuff. You should smoke me. I am smoking. Pedo, pedo, look, look.

Pedo, pedo. It's like it's gonna fly out of the screen or something, it just keeps going higher. Oh, is that one of the Soras? No, that's one of his.

I don't know what it is. The Soras? Is that the name of his new singer? I don't know.

Don't watch them. Yeah. But, you know, it comes through, and as you're flipping, I see them going, oh, look, look, look. That shit faded kind of fast, but some people are still hanging on to it.

Like, this is good. Sure. It's not. It's not good.

No, not. Yeah. Okay. All right, Cigar News.

Yay. Casa Carrillo creates social media exclusive collector's box. Oh. Only on TikTok.

Only on TikTok. Nope, it was on Half Wheel. Oh, Casa Carrillo is upping the ante for consumers who engage with the company via its social media channels, announcing a new three cigar collector's box that will be awarded to those who earn access through the brand's digital ecosystem over the, oh, it's supposed to be coming, it's misspelled, coming year though, a series of social media contests and sweepstakes, but this is a half wheel, I don't change these. Uh, the three cigars in the pack are described as representing the most exclusive expressions within the Casa Carrillo portfolio, with each cigar having its own blend, unlike previous promotions where the company enlisted the help of consumers to select a cigar to get a larger release, the company says that none of the three cigars will be part of a normal release and they were created specifically for this project.

Mm. Mm. Blend One uses an Ecuadorian Connecticut wrapper, Connecticut Broadly Blender, uh, we don't need to read all this. Okay.

Very long. So this is the next step from the Lozona Palooza. If you comment on theirs, you get to go to a party, and if you comment on this one, you get cigars. So, but this is, you comment on social media platforms, or you comment specifically on their own social media thing that they built?

It just says social media. If you interact with them. Okay. What is this ecosystem?

Is this like a biodome? Right. That's what they're calling it. Everybody's looking for a new word.

Everybody's looking for a new word. Do you think that Casa Carrillo has the age demograph for the social media platforms? Let me ask you that. That's a good question.

First of all, I think the question is, what do you think the age demographic is of Casa Carrillo? For Casa Carrillo? I would say that it's older in the cigar industry. Like Cigar Authority tracks better, they track well in the older age.

The older demographic. He's a 55 to 65 guy. Okay, so you're saying more of like a Palmer age demographic, not a JW. Yeah, well, actually, you know, like JW, look, for every kind of rule, there's always anomalies and exceptions for that rule.

I think JW actually falls in an exception. He's, to some degree, he does promote and talk about things on specific Facebook pages, and he's out of that age demographic, right? But like, your Lozona guys and everything else, I would say that they're slightly younger. They're slightly younger.

They're a younger batch of guys that are involved on their social media. They have some JW age guys, but you're right. They're more between you and me. Right.

Between our age bracket. Right. Right. Do you think Casa Carrillo has that age bracket or do you think they have the older age bracket is my question?

I would think older. I don't follow them anywhere. But I mean, you would think that it's got to be guys your age that like their cigars. When was the last time you smoked a Casa Correa?

Well, it's in specifically, he has his own brand and he has alliances to certain other brands, so there's some things he, you know, just doesn't smoke and we don't care about here, so. Yeah, but like, what's really kind of odd, like, the unique, the uniqueness about owning your own retail store is that people will come in and ask for product, right? I'm in a brand, I'm sorry, did I say retail store? " There was a fire across Korea, you know?

Yeah, that's a random one, I mean, you might get maybe one a month, somebody that went to. Because that guy is usually in an older age demograph, right? At least that's what I would assume. I just don't know how well this is going to track.

I hope it does track for them, I hope that it works out well. I just don't know if they have that age bracket yet, maybe that's what this is, maybe they're trying to gain. Oh, to bring it down, maybe a demographic. Like, hey, we need some younger guys, we need to compete in this space a little more.

Call them in, they die off now, we need younger now. Right? What we do. I mean, that's true, you're not lying, I mean, yeah, they eventually die, I mean.

Just put it on the Twitter, that would be good on the Twitter thing. A hundred percent of people that are born die. Right. It's a hundred percent.

So, yeah, if your age demographic tends to be older, you know. Right. Younger ones. So.

Okay. Do you think when you hit a certain age you will smoke? Do you know Casa Correa? No.

I'm just looking forward to it. I've only got another five years. No, because that's not the space that I started in, right? The space that I've really kind of started and involved into is Powstanie, obviously, and Romacraft.

So when I'm 65, I'll be smoking, God willing, Powstanie and Romacraft, right? Right. Asian Lozona, some of the foundation stuff. Like, those brands follow in that age demographic.

Now, when we kind of age out, there'll be other brands that come in under that, right? Now, the question is, will some of those brands be able to capture that market of those new younger smokers that are, you know, creeping up in age? Or will there be new brands for those guys as well, right? Like, La Gloria Cubana was Ernie's original cigar, and the only guys that really ask about La Gloria Cubana are your older cigar smokers.

Or your cheaper cigar smokers. No, no, not really, man. You know, your value cigar guy, if he's younger, he's not looking for that. Like, well, I know for a minute there, like a while back, I had gone into the, you know, the cigar bit thing, which was, you know, a disease.

Yeah. It grows on you fast. Yeah. We judged you a lot.

Right. But that is like one of the number one cigars that comes across there. Right. Is La Gloria Cubana.

Yeah. But I guarantee you their age demographic is probably older. I think so? Mm-hmm.

I mean, yeah, that is a classic time cigar, if you will. Yeah. It falls into like your Monte Cristo White or your Romeo and Julieta. Yeah.

Like that whole realm. It's like the first kind of boulder in that genre. Do you think as you get older personally that your brand ages with you as far as the demographic that smokes it? Well, that's the question, right?

You know, eventually what happens is you look to pivot into gaining new customers that are in that younger age format, right? So you got to figure out what you have to do at that point in order to continue to grow new customers. I'm not at that yet, right? Sure.

Because we're still kind of tracking up. We're still trending in the right direction. So you're not like, okay, we've kept, and also not only that, but like the really wild part is our vision is to create new cigar smokers across the nation, right? Right.

Which I don't think anybody else really does it as aggressively as we do. No. So, um, they just want them to buy them. I mean, we don't care who they buy as long as they're smoking something.

Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's for, so, and, And so where we kind of we don't really aim hardcore at taking a market share of its current pie was we're doing everything we can to expand that pie, right, right, as big as possible, to make it more socially acceptable that whole thing, right, so, I don't know, I think, you know, if you're asking me that question right now at 41 years old, I think that we're capable of continuing to get a younger consumer, as the brand continues to grow, you know, when we start to kind of grow, I think we're capable of continuing to get a younger consumer as the brand continues to grow, you know, when we start to kind of grow. When we're in our 50s, do you think I can get the 40 year old smoker like I think that I think that we can you know you're 50 thing get the 30 year old smoker I do I do I think if I'm I mean I'm 40 now I think you get the 30 year old smoker right well you're a lot closer to 30 yeah but I think at 50 I could you know I'll do my best to stay connected with society as a whole you know like I mean the fortunate part is I do have kids and they'll get older and I'll be able to understand what they're dealing with and what they're what they're they're into what's kind of tracking for them when they become young I think it's a lot to do with your branding and stuff. I mean, when you have a timeless looking brand, I think you can always break through to those younger smokers.

Castor Carrillo, correct me if I'm wrong, their stuff looks a little older. I love correcting you when you're wrong. Yeah, their stuff looks a little older, right? Um, it's not as modernized, is what you're really trying to say.

Yeah, that would be a better word, modern. Yeah. So it's probably harder to break through. Oh, they just need to, they would, they, if they, but it sounds like they're trying to aim for that, and if they're trying to aim for that, then they need to do some different things for branding.

Yeah, well that's what I'm saying, like, maybe instead of wasting your money on the social media stuff, then maybe you should rebrand a little bit on your bands. Doesn't sound like it's really a waste. Well, they're trying, like, the pledge and, you know, the military-type grab stuff this year or last year, whatever it was. I mean, it seems like they're trying something different.

I think as brands and manufacturers, we all try something new and different all the time. If you're not trying to do something new and different and trying to gain more market share or expand market share, then you're dying. So, kudos to them for trying this. I think there's a few other things that they need to continue to work on, but, I mean, they got a lot of good things going for them.

The guy's been around for a hundred years, so. He had the number, what is it, last year he had the number one cigar? Number one, I think, three years ago. Yeah, The Pledge, right?

The Pledge, yeah. Okay. All right, Davidoff is releasing 11 exclusive editions for 2026. Wow.

Each year, Davidoff offers his retailers and distributors that are celebrating major anniversaries a chance to select a limited edition cigar The company has the company's branding, the, oop, oop, hello, I got out a hint, where'd it go? A program is called the Davidoff Exclusive Series. The company creates a handful of cigars and allows retailers to choose between the different cigars. It then creates exclusive packaging, though it is possible that some of the cigars are sold by multiple, or sold by multiple stores or distributors, though with different branding.

5x55 Gran Robusto, but this year, there will be three options: the Davidoff Exclusive Edition Bellicoso, the Gran Toro, and then the Perfecto. Are you where they did this? I didn't know they did this. I didn't know they did this either.

S. Each is offered in boxes of 10. And then the Davidoff, then there's fancy names for them. I wonder if Patel gets these.

He might. I'm sure he does it, but it's only if it's your anniversary. Oh, so it's that anniversary cigar that Davidoff makes for you. Right, if you're a Davidoff account.

It's my seventh year anniversary. I'm sure they keep track somehow. It's my eighth year anniversary. Because it doesn't specify is it my seven year anniversary with them, Or my seven-year anniversary of being open as a shop, right?

I would imagine it's with them. You think so? Seems a little easier for them to track. I don't think they fact check.

And it's not really exclusive, like you said, though. Well, it's not like you blended it yourself. Here's your options. Yeah, and it's not sold only in your store.

Well, it would be under your band. Like, it would look like it's only yours, I guess, right? Yeah, they make it. Well, I'm sure Davidoff's still on it somehow, but yeah, they let you specify how you want it packaged.

It's customized. I would like a A blue box with a yellow band. Well, sir, someone's already done that. Oh, good, then you can give me a discount.

Yeah, give me a discount. Give me a discount. Okay. All right.

All right. There's a lot of cigars floating around from Davidoff, apparently, in foreign countries. Ooh, Vietnam. Hmm.

I mean, it's an interesting take to try and sell more cigars. Yeah, but I guess somebody has an anniversary all the time. Every year. Every year somebody has one, I guess.

There's maybe only one person that would know this information. Who's that? Davidoff. Your other best friend?

Law. Oh, Law. I'll see him tomorrow. Oh yeah?

Where are you gonna see him at? At Lakeland. I have the nine-year anniversary thing. Oh, that's right.

Oh, for Davidoff. No, I don't think they're a Davidoff account. Oh. He's there with Camacho.

Got it. All right, and because we got a press release sent to us, we have the following story. Okay. Because if somebody wants to send us a press release, we'll cover it on the show.

But check for a different email if you need one. All right, Patina YVizio announces Leprechaun Dust release. Patina and Vizio announces the upcoming release of Leprechaun Dust at a limited edition 5x52 Candela Robusto, Schedules will ship to retailers next month. The release has already sold out at the manufacturer level.

Leprechaun dust is priced at, gentlemen, $14. So this is obviously Tyler. com. And I feel like… Which the only way I use that now is to flip information between the iPad, the computer, and my phone.

I feel like every cigar he's come out with is exactly the same price. 16 bucks? So 16 bucks is what I'm going to say. 50.

Really? Per cigar and limited to 200 bundles of 10 cigars. Distribution is handled by City of Palms. The cigar was manufactured at Naxa in Esteli, Nicaragua.

The project began during several trips to Nicaragua, following conversations with Gusto Curo, of Oliva Tobacco, about the Candela Cross... What? Gus, they call him Gus. Okay, but he put in, especially, he's Gustavo.

Yeah, and you also said, uh, uh, Patina, uh, why? It's Patina, there's a why there. I know that's not pronounced right, but I didn't know how you said it. It's like Patina and Viso.

Oh, and they just put "and" then. Because it's Spanish. But Patina's not Spanish, and Viso's not Spanish. I know.

It's like a weird merging of the cultures. Viso's kind of Spanish. No, they say the same, but it's not like you go to Spain, they go, this is the Viso part of the plant, and you go to Connecticut, and they go, this is the umbrella part of the plant. Oh.

Everybody calls it Viso. Those discussions shape the intent behind the blend. But do you see that he's agitated? Yeah.

I'm not agitated. I wasn't going to correct him. I'm a little tired, but I'm agitated. Yeah, he's mad.

I'm not mad. Why would I be mad? It's Friday, this is the best day to be from me. You're mad because there was a press release sent to a wrong email.

I'm not mad, but you know when you open your computer it shows like on the side stuff you have gotten? Right. So it said Tyler Jeffries sent you an email. Took me forever to find it because that wouldn't have been an account I normally check.

Right. Thinking he was going to send you the million dollars, huh? No, I was curious why he emailed me. I figured we did something wrong again or he was mad or something.

But no, he sent us this nice press release. Perfect. In producing a traditional Candela, the goal was to create a cigar that would not immediately present as one when smoked blind. The finished blend is balanced and approachable without the sharp, grassy notes often associated with the wrapper.

The name Leprechaun Dust refers to Chicago's long-standing St. Patrick's Day tradition of dyeing the Chicago Green River with, as you guessed it, Leprechaun Dust. The release reflects Patina and Viso's Midwest roots. Roots, Lepregun Dust is sold out at the manufacturer level and will be available next month at the following stores.

We don't need to read this list, it's about 15, 20 different stores. Is Cigar Hustler on that list? Wait a minute, wait a minute. I think we are.

You got that right. Oh, you have these? Yeah, Cigar Hustler, I saw Deltona fly by. I was like, oh, Cigar Hustler.

Hold on, wait a second. Hold on, we'll read the list now. No, just say the one, that's fine. Oh, Cigar Hustler in Deltona, Florida.

Perfect. Are they already here? No, they're not shipping until I think next month. And I'm sure Mardo's on that list too.

Mardo's on the list, yes. Okay, yeah. Who is Tyler? Who is Tyler?

Hmm. Yeah. Um, is Moe from Chicago? I don't know.

Because Tyler's from Wisconsin, right? Yeah, Moe's gotta be from Chicago. Yeah. Yeah, Tyler's from Wisconsin.

Okay. As long as one of them's from Chicago, I can understand this correlation. Correlation. Leprechaun dust?

Yeah, of the Chicago River. Listen, it doesn't have to make sense. It's the cigar industry, buddy. Yeah, it's cigars.

It doesn't matter. I got news for you. That's how that works. They could just say they ground up real leprechauns into it.

It wouldn't make a difference. Yeah, it doesn't matter. We call the leprechaun dust because we actually ground up leprechauns and sprinkled on the cigars. You know what?

I think that's better, actually. Yeah. I mean, Sokka said he peed on cigars at one point, so. Did he really?

Yeah. That's why they were sweet-tipped, eh? Because he pissed on the ends of all of them. It's just terribly excited.

I mean, Phil, it's terribly excited. PB, ho, ho, ho, ho. Oh, he's a funny, funny man that does soccer soccer. This is hilarious that somebody that's like, he's great at marketing, right?

At this point, he's just like, I don't know what else I'm going to say, so I'm just going to say I pissed on it. That is funny. Wow, that was a while ago. He'd have to poop on him now.

That's kind of how that went. Yeah. I don't know whether you're sweet. I peed on him.

Fine. I'll just say it. I don't care. Don't say it, I don't care.

Oh my god, they're flying off the shelves. When did you bust out with the glasses? Have you had them all this whole time? No, no, no, I didn't pull the, I forgot to copy over the, what's the score, but I've got it right here on my phone.

Okay. Yeah, it was a wardrobe change. Wardrobe change, yes. These are my dad's glasses.

Oh, okay. There it is. All right, the cigar is from August 19, 2020. It was reviewed by Mr.

Brooks. Oh. It's a Drew Estate cigar. I don't think we've done a flavored infused cigar.

This is the Acid 20 Toro. It's the dark one with the silver band. You're going to go first. I'm still, we've never done an infused, so this is completely new territory for me.

Yeah. We'll go 85. That's a great number. I'm going to go 84.

I feel like this thing sucked. My wife loves this cigar. Yeah. All right, this is the Acid 20 Toro.

It is from Nicaragua. Nicaragua, La Gran Fabrica, Drew Estate, Rappers, Mexican, San, it says Mexico, San Andreas, so, Binders, Indonesian, Fillers, Nicaraguan, length 6x50, it's a Toro, and they smoked 3. Okay, 85, 84, all right, clue number one, even though the cellophane, even through the cellophane, The aroma of the acid 20 is aggressive, and potent notes of cloves, pineapples, cinnamon, allspice, grapefruit, perfume, earth, and leather go along with this extremely dark brown wrapper. Boots?

Phil? Sounds horrific, to be honest. Yeah. I'm gonna stick at 85, though.

84. All right, clue number two. As the second third of the acid begins, the sweetness on the cap The grape has disappeared for the most part, while the infused flavors begin to subside noticeably, replaced by more traditional notes of freshly brewed sweet tea and cedar, followed by lesser flavors of pecans, leather, sweet hay, oak, citrus cloves, citrus slash cloves, and cinnamon, along with just a touch of floral. Phil.

Again, sounds horrific, 85. 84. It's not like it would be a good transition cigar to get somebody from infused over if halfway through. I think it's boring.

Oh, I think it's boring? The more traditional tobacco flavors really began to shine during the final third of the Acetoro in direct correlation to how little of the infused flavors are left in the profile. I don't even know if this thing is still in market. We have them upstairs.

Yeah, I think I may have terminated it though. I'm not positive. The dominant flavors shift again, this time to a combination of roasted espresso beans and cocoa nibs on the palate with secondary notes of brewed sweet tea, milk chocolate, cinnamon, leather, cedar, leather tack, and hay. The sad part is, we listen to so many of these, we can start to determine what descriptions they're using.

You know who it is, you know, you could just pick out base words, say, name this reviewer, Coco Nibs, like Brooks, yeah, you know, and it's terrible, but Charlie does a lot of Asian type flavors, yeah, teriyaki, certain spices he calls out, yeah, it's what they're eating, I was gonna say, it's almost like what we said, it's what they eat, it's what flavors they look for, right, you know what, that's what they need to start including in their, in their reviews, what they're eating, absolutely, He must have a desk full of those, a drawer full. " "Alright, final thought: Even after all the years I have been smoking, I am constantly surprised at how much less pervasive the flavors in most infused cigars are on the palate, as opposed to what is present in the aroma. That is definitely the case with the Acid 20, while both the saccharine sweetness on the cap And the fruity aroma are almost shockingly aggressive. The latter almost knocked me off my feet for the first time I smelled it, even for taking the cellophane off.

The actual profile bears very little of either after the first third. In fact, the second and final thirds are full of more traditional cigar flavors and significantly improved balance, as well as the same amazing construction for both the burn and draw. Infused cigars tend to get a bad rep, but some of these cigars smoke in public, but there is plenty to love about the Acid 20, as long as people are willing to give it a fair chance. Phil?

You know, we as cigar smokers that have been doing this for a while want to rank this low. - Yeah. - Right. - Ranked it up.

- No, but the way that he says it at the end, it's like, oh, he's gonna fucking rank this higher. - Okay. - Like, this is a cigar that's gonna save us all. - Right, yeah, like-- - That's the way it sounds when you're in it.

Just give it a fair chance, you'll love it, it's great. - I really wanna stay where I'm at, but I'm gonna go to 87. - Where were you at before? - 85.

- Oh, I thought you were at 86, but, oh, shit. I'm like, well, you really went on a limb. You went up one point. Might be an 88.

And here's my next question before you answer your number here. How can you smoke regular cigars, right? Yeah. Without non-infused cigars.

Okay. And then go back to an infused cigar and go, man, this thing tastes great. I think you can. Sure you can.

I'll smoke the occasional infused cigar. It's the sacrifices that they make for us. Yeah. I can't smoke one.

Not anything? Like, I like the tabacs every once in a while. No. Especially if I've smoked, like, five or six of regular cigars, for lack of a better word, and it's the end of the day because you get to a point where you just can't taste anything.

Do I think it's an 88 or do I think it's an 86? That is the question, Michael. I'm going to go against my better judgment. I'm gonna say 86.

The score is 86. Yes! Wow! Man, that was a tough one.

Man, that was tough. See, isn't it crazy, though, like how he, in the beginning, it's like, you really want to rank this thing low. And then at the end, he's like, this is the savior of cigars. It is great.

It's Brooks. Brooks is a very positive person. Right. Yeah, for him to rank something like low, low, it's gotta be a turd.

It's got to be terrible. Yeah. I wish they had a list on the website by reviewer. Right.

That'd be cool. That would be nice. You should put in that suggestion in their email. Make sure you send it to the right one, though.

Right. Yeah. I was going to send it from that one everybody's using now, apparently. I mean, that's like the account I hardly ever look at.

If I hadn't seen it on the screen, I would never have seen it. Right. You would have missed out on the... Leprechaun dust.

Leprechaun dust. With ground up leprechauns in it. Yeah. Okay.

Anything else to add? No, I'm glad we're going to carry it. I'm looking forward to trying it. I like a Kendela now and then.

I don't know how. I mean, okay. We're not going to have a lot of them, so. Oh, they're going to sell out and they're going to sell through and I'm not going to get one.

Yeah, pretty much. That's how that works. Yep, that's how that works. Unless we get them after everybody else.

Well, that's your, if there's any left. I mean, there's not, they didn't make that many. Right. What do we got, five coming?

Yep. He's not going to say. No, that's exactly right. Oh, is it really?

Yeah. Five bundles? Yeah. Yeah, no, Steve will have those sold before they even get here.

Yeah. God damn. All right, this has been episode 450 of the Cigar Hustler Podcast. I think it's Monday.

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Show Notes

On today’s Show we have a Verizon update and credit information.  There is a scandal afoot in College and Chinese baseball that could affect The Moneymakers!  Then you asked for it so we have More Sports News!  Then in cigars Davidoff has a new set.  Someone has a social media special!  We got a Press Release sent to an almost dead email account and then finally a mini game of what’s The score!!!