January 22, 2026· 48m

ACHP Episode 453 Set My Elephants Free

Transcript

OK, All right, Fire.

We're all ready again.

Are you on?

Are you on Palmer?

I'm on Palmer.

Put your phone down.

Phone is off.

I'm paying attention to Palmer.

Put your phone down.

Phone is down.

You got to lock in for probably

25 minutes, 25 minutes.

Do that for us.

Phone's longer.

The show's longer than 20. 5

minutes. 25 minutes.

Should be here by then.

Oh.

All right, I'm good, but I can

push this button.

Go ahead.

You're gonna shit.

When do you realize this?

It's shit.

OK.

All right, I'm good.

OK, Palmer, let's.

Go.

All right.

Welcome to Cigar House for

podcast episode 453.

I'm Mike Palmer, your host.

With me today in engineering is

Greg.

I wish I had emails so I

wouldn't have to do this step on

Kevitch.

Very accurate.

And then Co host it with me is

Mikey.

I wish Greg had e-mail so he

wouldn't be doing this with us.

Oh, good job he switched.

Good job.

Yes, Greg.

No, it's not.

It's not, Greg.

I wish I had an e-mail so I

didn't have to do this.

This is Greg.

Why is everybody texting me

Congratulations.

I don't know what's going on in

my life.

Richie called me yesterday.

I told him.

He sort of spoiled the oh, I'm

so sorry.

Like no, no, we just didn't tell

him.

Yeah, yeah, He was.

He was gone.

He was out of the circle.

He.

Was yeah, he was gone that day.

Yeah, I was up on a plane.

When it happened, we understand

all right, we get.

It we found out I don't know

what.

You're we just we just exactly.

You know, you were on a plane.

We still found out.

Yeah.

Didn't stop us.

It's OK.

All right.

In today's show, we have a

hacking story that hits way too

close to home.

Usha, I think that's how you

pronounce it, is making history.

Missy, Kimba, Lucky, Lulu and

Jambo are about to sue Colorado

to be set free.

And then how can the same cigar

be number 21 day and then #14

two days later?

Oh, I know that answered that

question.

Then in cigars, we have a new

vitola, but not a new cigar.

Monaco gets an exclusive cigar

and Habano's exclusive cigar

ain't that exclusive no more.

But first, Michael, how do we

get some SCH pod swag?

What you want to do is like and

subscribe wherever you're

viewing or watching.

I don't know why I struggle on

that.

I'm like.

You don't know what the word.

Is yeah, wherever you're viewing

or watching.

And then check out Chapter

pod.com for our latest swag

where we just dropped this

month, the Smoke and Subscribe

shirt.

Shout out to my boy Mark Palmer

who has the Smoke and Subscribe

shirt and then a couple of

comments from our last show.

See, money says.

Funny thing is, Phil's camera

quality is still better than

Palmer's.

Oh, that's new one.

I didn't.

See, yeah, but but the reality

is it's only for 20 minutes, and

so there's that.

See what else I got here?

Other comments?

Oh, Nargar said.

Congrats, Greg.

I saw that.

Congrats Greg on on your number

2, my boy.

Brett said if math is your

enemy, you shouldn't gamble

Phil, which I love.

He's 100% correct.

We'll have to resay that later.

If if Boots makes the if Phil

makes the show, Phil makes it

and we'll do one more Here it

says Boots.

How is it working with Jennifer

Aniston?

I guess that's with him dressed

up as a leprechaun or something

like that.

I don't know, I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't know what that

was.

So all right.

Also, yes, I received something

and I wanted to show you this.

OK.

I got this lovely note.

At Target.

It says from Michael to Mike BFF

with kisses and hugs and.

From Rosales.

Yep, it is.

Oh, the jacket.

My very own son.

Of a bitch, I didn't get one.

Weasel.

Cause how does that look?

Does that look OK?

That looks terrible.

It couldn't be too small.

Looks good.

OK, You didn't have to switch.

You didn't have to switch them

down.

Let's say it looks good.

I like the other color better

my.

Very own weasel team sweatshirt

or whatever this thing is

called.

So I'm going to put this on once

you kind of get into your next

story, just to rub it in your

face a little.

Bit rub it in my face.

Yeah, No, yeah, no, don't it.

I like the other color.

OK, so yeah, that's all I got.

Let's go.

All right.

Now in the news, that's OK.

Does he know about Preston?

I mean, he's no longer.

The number.

One he probably has not heard.

Yeah.

All right lol Reem of Camacho

Cigars wants the community to

know that his personal Facebook

account has been compromised and

it's currently being exploited

for fraudulent car sales.

Such an odd thing law no longer

has access to the account and is

actively working to recover it

any vehicle listing or messages

coming from that profile are not

legitimate and it should be

reported immediately so now on

the phone with us today live is

law room we're.

Going to give Law a call right

now.

Greg, can you hit the Bluetooth

button on the keyboard?

I mean on the soundboard?

No, I tried and it said I can't.

Oh, so I hope that's not part of

our problem we're having with

everything else.

OK.

That board right there, I have

no.

Idea what the fuck down boards

the moment the buttons with the

funny stuff on it.

There's a Bluetooth button.

What?

Who are you on?

Are you on Palmer 'cause I'll

get up.

I'm on Palmer now.

You're on Palmer.

I got it.

You got it.

Hit it.

It's flashing.

Blue.

OK, there it is.

All right.

Hold on.

Just confirming that

everything's still recording.

All right, I'm connected.

So like this, Greg, It's

supposed to be like this.

That's the way the

professionals.

That's the way the pros do it.

And it actually you both put it

behind so you don't see it on

top of you you.

Know what you're doing.

But if you wanted that, I

wouldn't have to do the fancy

hookup, I could have just made

it where it only works on one

side.

Of the headphone.

All right, it's Li.

Have it.

I have his full name, Lawrence.

I don't.

Like it like this I got to do

this I.

Don't like it with a hat?

Push that whole thing in the top

of your head.

Do you think he's eating the

sandwich right now?

Hello.

Hey, it's Cigar Hustler podcast.

Hey I'm calling about the bobcat

I wanted to see.

I'd like the Chevy Celica that

you have.

Yeah, you know what?

You can get those, but you have

to send the money to my Zell

account or my Venmo.

Don't send it to my Facebook

account but I can get those to

you, OK?

Oh, perfect.

Yeah.

So I mean if if anyone's going

to get scammed I should be

making the profit like your

money should go to me not some

stranger like that's fair or

better.

OK, so, so your Facebook got

hacked, Yes.

And people were actually sending

money.

And yes, they did.

Really.

Yeah.

People are.

How stupid are people?

I, I'm kind of, I'm evaluating

myself right now because you

know, you're only as good as the

company you keep and I'm like, I

might be pretty stupid too.

Then I.

Mean it's well, I know they.

Thought they were sending you

money.

You apparently are very

trustworthy.

You know, yeah, we.

Well, I have, I have a lot of

friends that friends and

quotations that I haven't talked

to in a decade that are like, so

sorry about your uncle.

Is that Rolex still available?

And like, could you at least

have the decency to put a period

between those two sentences?

Like, he deserved to get

scammed.

I'm like, yes, it's available,

just send it to me on Facebook.

So sorry about the death in your

family, is it?

Can you take cash?

OK.

Yeah, unfortunately my uncle's

still alive.

Unfortunately.

But yesterday was looking at it

while we're on the air and he's

going.

His uncle had 15 cars.

He did.

He's like, do you look at this

man?

He's like, oh.

Bob gave it 3500.

Oh gosh, I'm thinking that right

now.

Dude, I.

Coughed and laughed at the same

time.

That was how funny that was.

OK, so do you have your Facebook

page back now or is it gone

forever?

It's gone forever, and here's

why.

The They're getting assistance

from inside Facebook.

So my.

The two factor authentication

was removed and then they have a

recovery process where you just

go to facebook.com/hacked and

it's like, oh, we recognize

you've logged in on this device

previously, you can have your

account back.

They scrubbed all my devices

from that.

And you can only do that from

inside Facebook.

Wow.

From inside Facebook.

Yeah, they.

Just fired all those people.

It's one of them that's one.

Of those guys, what are the

guys?

They laid off.

I, I actually got on the phone

with somebody from Facebook and,

and tech Yeah.

And you know, obviously in India

and they, they closed my ticket

prematurely.

Wow, they're.

Just so they I filed three

tickets in the last 24 hours and

now I'm banned from filing

tickets.

And they just, they just respond

like go to this link and click

on it and then they end the

ticket and.

He's done and.

Who is this guy?

Who is this guy on the phone?

Quickly make him go away, hey.

You know that guy who we we took

his account.

He's here.

He's calling us.

Give him the link, he's

probably.

Sitting right next to the guy

scaring me.

You're.

Not going to believe this.

Somehow he found our number and

he's here.

Ban him quickly.

Quickly.

OK, I take it right now.

Hold on.

Oh my goodness, man, here.

Here's a Here's another little

gem I found out if you want to

contact Facebook support, you

have to pay for it.

You can.

Only.

Contact them.

You can only contact them if you

have a meta verified account

which is $15.00 a month.

They.

Get a blue check and they

probably took your blue check

away.

Well, yeah, it's gone now.

I unsubscribed.

That's one.

So now, so I'm going to stay

with this La Ream guy for a

while.

I'm going to, I'm going to, you

know, reach out.

It's like he doesn't.

Exist now because he has no

Facebook, Yeah.

It's like, you know what they

took?

Away the picture no.

The picture still there should

have.

Kept the yellow van.

It's just it's, you know what?

They're mad.

That he went from yellow to

black it almost.

Feels like the appropriate

ending for you like this like

like the Zeno guy of law has

officially died, right And this

is the Facebook you were

Facebook murdered is what it was

like.

That's the crazy part.

And Phoenix.

Reborn from the Facebook ashes,

yes.

Exactly this is this is how you

you will rise as Camacho law.

He does Instagram.

Which is the same company, by

the way.

He's just for the record.

Shouldn't see him Saturday.

Saturday at the event.

He was all excited.

He didn't have to smoke.

Just as you know, the cigars.

Yeah.

Got to mix it up, mix it up.

There was three of them.

It was like a little fraternity

they had sitting there.

They're all huddled together

behind their Camacho.

Thing right that's nice that's

pretty nice they're acting

really cool yeah, they're.

Acting like they're cool.

Hey man, his.

Voice got a lot deep throwing.

Throwing cigars at all the women

when they walk by.

Yeah, all few of them.

Yeah, the one old lady loves.

The the one.

Old lady and her.

Niece that was with her.

Yeah.

She had to drive.

The lady couldn't drive.

Poor thing.

All right.

Well, we won't keep you any

longer because we know that

you're doing the sales summit,

but we just wanted to get it

right.

He's at the meeting.

Yep.

Which we love, you know, we, we

have good friends in the

industry that take the calls in

the sales summit.

We appreciate you, Justin.

That'd be Justin.

Justin is the worst if Justin.

Andrew is there.

Put him on the phone.

Let me.

Go look for.

Him real quick, yeah.

He might go to all the meetings,

he doesn't care who he might.

Be a speaker might be a you

know, they may have paid him to

show up moving over.

We actually pay him just to

stand in the corner and judge

us.

Exactly.

Exactly all.

Right, well, we'll let you go,

brother.

Sorry to hear about your

Facebook account, dude.

And I.

Appreciate that when?

You make the new one.

I want to be your first friend.

All right, I don't think I'll be

making a new one, but if you do

want some of the stuff on that

list, though, send it to my

Instagram all.

Right buddy, have a good day.

Take care.

You too.

Bye.

Alright, it was Laureen from

Camacho's cigar.

Camacho.

Law, how we doing with the

flipping over there?

A lot of flipping good, you're

doing good lots of flipping

'cause I, I heard of me talking

and then I saw you flip it

afterwards.

So it's just.

One of us, we're sorry.

It's gonna be a.

Slight delay today.

Don't hit three.

There's no camera there.

Yeah, it just goes black.

Do I push both of them when you

both are speaking?

No, no.

That doesn't.

Work 1st 10 minutes are fucked

up.

All right, Missus Vance, the

wife of Vice President JD Vance,

has already made history in a

couple of notable ways.

Do you know Michael?

I have no idea.

When she became Second Lady in

January 2025, she became the

first person of color and the

youngest Second Lady since the

Truman administration.

Interesting.

On January 20th, 2020, sixth the

Vance announced that Usha.

I think you're saying Usha.

Usha is pregnant with their

fourth child, a baby boy

expected in late July.

Both Usha and the baby are

reported to be doing well, and

the couple shared how grateful

they are for the military,

doctors and White House staff

who are supporting their family

during this busy and joyful

time.

The announcement isn't just a

personal milestone for the

family, it's potentially A

historic first in modern US

political history.

Usha Vance may become the first

sitting second lady in more than

150 years to give birth while in

office.

The last known instance of a

vice president's spouse giving

birth while serving dates back

to the 1870s, making this a

remarkable moment for the vice

president.

Vice Presidency.

Usha and JD Vance met at Yale

School, married in 2014, and

already parents to three young

children.

You want to guess their names.

No, I do not.

Ewan, Ewan.

Vivek.

Vivek and Mirabelle, that one's

pretty obvious, OK?

Her journey from a legal, legal

career into a national spotlight

underscores the blend of

personal achievement, public

service, blah, blah blah blah

blah blah blah.

OK.

Why do you think it is that

there hasn't been other VPS or

anything like that in office?

How much?

Pressure.

They don't have sex in office,

you think?

That's what it is.

They're old.

A lot of them are older.

A lot of them are.

Older.

Yeah, they've already had their

children.

Years but.

But Kamala wasn't old.

Kamala could have had a baby.

Yeah, you know.

Maybe.

Maybe she didn't want.

To I guess not, but I I agree

with the the stressors of the of

the job, you know, sure, like

I'm not just not in the mood,

honey.

Right honey, I had to.

We just.

Took Nicolas Maduro right or we?

Just took Nicolas Maduro.

I'm all wound up.

Let's go, Let's go to.

Pound sound.

Tell me I'm the greatest.

Who's?

The best VP?

Oh my goodness, we're terrible.

We're.

Terrible people.

We are straight.

To hell.

OK, next.

All right, illegal.

First of its kind is cropped up

in Colorado.

That sounds almost like

something out of a schoolyard

debate.

Can an elephant sue to leave a

zoo?

No next, next story.

Hold on.

Uh oh.

It's frozen.

It's.

Frozen too.

Oh shit, where'd it go?

Oh man, all.

Sorts of technical problems here

it we're just.

Rolling along the middle of the

week here.

This is a shit.

Show, yeah.

Don't worry, we'll piece it

together and we'll still look

awesome.

We'll still.

Get there we go.

Alright.

Or we'll just leave it and still

look awesome.

But you would get to flip.

Back to me as I was talking that

entire time.

You're you're.

On it right now.

No, not now.

You're not OK Now you are all

right.

I'm.

Going to talk again right back

on.

Now I can see, now I can see the

color tone against your face,

all right.

The question isn't about trunk

size or how loud they trumpet.

It's about whether elephants are

persons under the law.

The case centers on five

American African elephants.

This is.

Stupid.

This is why this isn't.

The first time, yeah.

Oh.

My God.

Missy, Kimba, Lucky, Lulu and

Jambo, who live in the Cheyenne

Mountain Zoo in Colorado

Springs, and animal rights group

the Non Human Rights Project.

The NHRP filed the lawsuit

again.

Sees OH filed A lawsuit arguing

that these majestic creatures

are so cognitive and socially

complex they should be allowed

to challenge their captivity in

court, much like a human

prisoner would under the habeas

corpus.

What are we doing if the?

Elephant.

Can spell habeas corpus I'll.

Tell you what they might be.

Able to They're very smart

animals.

In legal terms, that means

asking a judge to decide whether

their confinement is unlawful.

But here's where it gets tricky

Habeas corpus is written for

persons, traditionally human

beings, and that's exactly what

Colorado's High Court had to

wrestle with during the hearings

justice probe the limits of the

concept, even wondering aloud

whether extending it to elements

might lead to questions about

pets and other non human

animals.

It opens the door for other.

This is.

Wild.

Where is this happening?

Colorado.

That's a lot of weed.

Yeah, it's really high and

unanimous ruling.

The Colorado Supreme Court

ultimately said no, elephants,

no matter how intelligent,

aren't legal persons under the

statute, and therefore I have no

standing to bring such a claim.

How they know the elephants went

out?

They're like.

Maybe.

The elephants like it there.

Wait.

A second man right we.

Like it here?

What if?

It's a human.

The court wrote that the

question wasn't about how

majestic or smart the animals

are, but whether the law is

written applies to them, and it

does not.

The decision ends this

particular bid to use the court

to secure freedom for the

elephants, but it hasn't ended

the broader conversation.

Advocates argue that as science

uncovers even more about animal

intelligence and emotional life,

legal systems should evolve to.

Critics say the expanding legal.

These people are crazy.

Can they pay?

Taxes.

I would like them to pay taxes,

then the.

Elephants.

Yeah, well, if they get jobs.

That, you know I we're going to

need them to check in somewhere

well they.

Want to put them in a There's

two or three different elephant

preserves in Florida that they

would have to be put in because

they've been in captivity so

long.

Not in Florida, sorry, United

States.

They've been in captivity so

long, they would not survive if

we, you know, took them all the

way back to Africa.

I mean, I understand that you

would say Florida because you

know well there.

Is 1 in Florida right?

But Florida's the best one,

right?

So, right, OK, so so for.

Now Missy, Kimba, Lucky Lulu and

Jambo will remain at the zoo and

the debate continues.

What a.

Waste of time of our judicial

system.

I mean this is this.

Colorado, they, they can't do

illegal drugs because it's

legal.

So they have a lot of freaks.

On they're bored, so they're

bored right Hey, check this Hey,

what do you?

Got on the books that we can

talk about.

There's this elephant thing.

Bring it, bring it.

I don't care what it is at this

point, just bring it.

I'm looking at this and it says

that the elephant, you're

arguing the fact the elephant's

a person.

Is that correct?

Yeah, yes, I'm gonna have to.

I'm gonna have to review this

for a few weeks and get back to

you on that.

What if I just say one of them

is just Jumbo?

Just jumbo.

Sounds very smart.

Jumbo.

Yeah, just name it Missy or

Lulu, right?

All right, last night developing

pallets put out their top 25.

They did.

Now it is my favorite top 25

because it's fast.

It just, they just crank it,

just zip right through 35

minutes start to finish.

You know what's?

Funny is because like, so I, I

put the put the kids down at 9

and I'm like, all right, this is

perfect.

I'm going to put them down.

I'm going to turn on developing

pallets, right?

And nothing happens right at

9:00 when it comes.

Yeah, they fight you.

And there's, there's, there's

this whole thing.

Oh, the kid.

You mean I'm like?

Yeah, and Aaron, I thought you.

Meant them yeah I'm like brush

your.

Teeth like, come on, let's go,

let's go, Come on, we're gay.

Come on.

Mcdavish, put your shirt down so

by the time.

By the time that I had

everything sorted out and I sit

down it was like 929. 30

they're, they're on like #3

yeah, they're.

So I, I go, I'm here and I'm

like, and I actually saw that he

requested me and I'm like, Oh my

God.

This morning only you commented.

So were you like the only one

watching?

It looked like no.

There was a couple of people

commenting.

Maybe if they're not my friends

that I don't see them, I don't.

Know there were some few.

There were a few other comments.

Yeah, I turned it on while I was

getting ready and before I got

my toothbrush.

They were like on #6 So I was

like, Oh yeah, I.

Wonder how much the Dunes and

Seth's ad space are too like

because we got the Postonia.

Oh, you went off.

We got the black.

And then I like, I want to do

like a cartoon character of like

around.

I just want to have like June

kind of chasing Aaron with like

a hammer or something in the

background.

Why not?

June making fish sticks.

And he's.

Handing them up.

Handing.

Them to Aaron, right?

Yeah, like here's a fish stick,

right?

And then John's over here

getting syrup out of a tree and

he's going to hand it up to

Seth.

Well.

John's is going to stay the

same.

It's Postonia.

But, well, you can do something

for.

Oh, you still want the Postonia

logo on the fish sticks?

Yeah.

I think that'd be funny.

How much you pay for John's?

I don't.

Remember, I have no idea.

Reasonable.

I can't imagine.

I would imagine if they were

different prices his would be a

little higher.

I wonder.

If there's a bulk buy, if I buy

all the three squares, what do I

what about?

Loomis, you know what his I'm

touching his.

It's nothing he could say.

There's one.

Doesn't he?

He has somebody he can say with.

This damn probably.

Perdomo or something?

No, it's.

Drew Estate Drew Estate What was

the.

Number one cigar.

I never made it all the way to

the end.

It was an Aladino.

Oh, and they had one that didn't

even have a band and it was a

brand I never heard of before

really.

But anyway, on this show we were

ranked #14 yes, but half wheel

ranked #2 same cigar.

Different cigar.

San Andreas Toro.

Same cigar, different batola.

Yes.

OK, Yeah.

I will tell you that the Toro

was a little bit edgier, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

I already mentioned I like the

Bellicoso better.

Bellicoso is very good.

They're all great.

I love the Corona Gorda but but.

It's such a big difference

though.

What's that?

14 to 2.

Yeah.

Hey, at least we ranked there.

I mean, there's a couple that

just totally that's true that

just, you know, well, really.

Just the one.

No, there's 20.

There's two.

What was?

The other one.

Cigar Snob.

Oh yeah, yeah.

I don't even just count them.

They don't do.

Did they do it as a video or

they just put it in the

magazine?

I don't know, I don't either.

I think that they do it as a

like a website thing but.

Also in the magazine, I mean,

they are a magazine.

They are a magazine.

So.

I did appreciate developing

pallets, putting it up this

morning because then I didn't

have to listen to six through 1

after I found it wasn't us.

Oh.

Nice.

I can just go look.

Well, thank you very much for

developing pallets for, for the

nod as well.

Man, We appreciate you guys,

especially John.

Not so much Aaron.

June, I like June too.

Seth, I like June.

Seth seems all right.

I don't know Seth well, but Seth

seems all right.

Everything to him sounded like

it tastes like Coco, barnyard

and something else.

Coco.

Nibs No he.

Didn't say nibs, just say Coco.

He didn't mention Barnyard Coco.

'S is go to.

Yes, OK.

All right.

Do you have a video?

I do not.

Thank God because that video

last night was hard to fit in,

just creates extra work.

But you did.

It and I'm proud and it.

Turned out well.

I'm very proud of you.

It was nice to have it without

the music.

Right.

See, I did that for you.

But didn't boots play his out

loud?

But I couldn't.

I didn't hear his at all.

He did it first and he didn't.

He turned it down.

Oh, did he all right?

All right, Cigar News Sereno

Cigar Company has released a new

vitola in its Eleanor Rose line

that was inspired by the length

of the classic 45 RPM record

format.

Greg, how do?

You feel about developing

pallets, giving us the nod for

14.

I like those guys.

Yeah, they're good dudes.

Yes, but how do you feel about

them giving us the ranking?

Not your personal opinion on

their personality.

Yeah.

All right, do you feel?

It was justified, not justified.

Should we have done better?

Yeah.

What do you got?

Are you mad?

At them for making us 14 well, I

think.

We always should be doing

better.

He's like Bruce Willison, Fifth

Element, thrilled Greg.

What do you think about Eleanor

Rose being a cigar the size of

an RP45?

Sounds smaller. 4 1/2 by 45, so

it's not even the hole.

It's a four and a half.

What do you mean It's not even

the the cigar?

Is a four and a half 4 1/2 by

45, but they based it on the 45

RPM record size.

Oh, got it.

OK.

So is it from like a hole to

edge 'cause it's I mean that

hole's big, it's not a?

45 gauge.

It's just, it's just a play on

words like they all do this.

Oh.

Just a 45.

Everybody does crazy stuff like

this, you know, Like the, you

know, it's the our 100th year

cigar.

So it's $100 whatever, you know,

same.

Thing.

It's a Ecuador Habano 2000

risotto wrapper covering a

Nicaraguan binder grown in the

Halampa region and a filler

blend of tobaccos from

Nicaragua, Peru, and the US Like

the rest of the line, it's

produced at the LA Corona

factory in SLE, Nicaragua.

That's not.

No, all right, it's a totally

different guy.

Eat.

Cigars at MSRP of Greg.

How much do you think the cigar

is?

How much you?

Think it is Greg.

It's 14.

Dollars it's.

Like booches here?

12.

Dollars 799 Seven. 99, it's only

40.

It's only 45. 8.

Dollar.

Package in a 10 count bundle

that have a retail price of

7995.

A total of 3000 cigars were

produced.

The RPM 45 was created as a

seasonal smoke cold weather.

Yeah, little guy, cold weather,

little.

Guy for the guys that don't

smoke big cigars in the Are you?

Giving in now, that is the

thing.

No.

OK, so listen, it is a thing.

But the reality is, if you want

to smoke a big cigar, you'll

figure it out.

That's my argument.

But I don't want to waste half

of a big cigar by smoking

outside in the cold.

Oh, why don't?

You build a little heating

apartment like that one guy,

it's way.

Too expensive.

I don't have that kind of money.

Then steal it.

Steal.

The money, yeah.

Or the tent gonna.

Start coming in earlier.

I'll turn on the cameras in the.

Morning, Rob.

A bank something.

I smoked in a Blizzard in

Norway.

Did you?

Yeah, yeah.

But it was Norway.

He just did it so we could tell

people.

I spoke in a Blizzard in Norway.

It's pretty accurate.

What size was a cigar?

That was a full size cigar.

Did you smoke the whole?

Thing Did you smoke the whole

thing?

Was it in snow?

Was it a Connecticut?

What was it it?

Was later in the day so it was

probably Maduro so.

It's it's probably survived.

Yeah, it did fine.

There you go.

See.

He's a man.

Be a man.

He just.

Likes, I'm not going to Norway

anytime soon.

If I go to Norway I'll smoke a

full size cigar.

How's that?

OK, fair.

You don't smoke full size cigar

now.

Sure, I.

Do, but I'm not in Norway, so

you don't.

Smoke little cigars.

As of the code, no.

I just had two little cigars,

and I gave them to other people.

OK, it's a tighter format, but

the blend remains intact

intentionally, and it's an

expressive at least.

In 2021, the Eleanor Rose was

named after homage to The

Beatles song Eleanor Rigby.

I heard about that rose.

There are now 4 different

Vitolas in the line.

We don't care what they're

called, they all have Eleanor

Rose in it.

We have the John, we have the

Ringo, we have the.

Chipping to retailers the last

week it shipped, that was the

only.

Two I know.

John, George, Ringo and Bobby.

I don't know Bobby.

That's the cousin.

That's her cousin.

Cousin.

He was also Beatle, though he

played the.

Cymbals only had one song.

He played the cymbals 1

triangle.

Yeah, and then a triangle on his

second song, Cowbell.

Did he ever do any cowbells he

was known?

As the percussion guy.

OK.

All right, the first Addicion

regional release for Monaco will

pay tribute to one of the

principalities most popular

destinations.

Greg, have you smoked a cigar in

Monaco?

I have not.

Is it on your list?

No.

Oh, I wait till your wife finds

out you have.

To ask my wife.

It's her list now, so.

Prova SAS, which is a note to

blow, is the distributor for

Cuban cigars in France and

supplies cigars to Monaco.

Oh my.

God.

Oh my God.

We forgot Paul McCartney.

Paul.

Yeah, that's Bobby.

They call him Bobby.

They.

Call him.

That's kind of a big one, dude,

You know what I mean?

Like, like the fact that you

pulled George.

Hey, he didn't.

Get it?

Either he's sitting right there.

The fact that you pulled George

was incredible because that's

the one you forget.

I only know him as a single but.

We just, we just blew over Paul

McCartney like he wasn't a

Beatle.

Oh my God I can't wait to see

the comments on this YouTube.

Oh great.

Local tobacco authority have

announced the new Ramon Alonos

casino Addicio and Regional

Monaco Ramon.

Alonos, yes, OK.

It's a casino regionally, OK,

And it's in Monaco.

All right, all.

Right, all right, it's a 5.

And an eighth by 55 Parejo

Vitola known as the montesco

within the Cuban naming system.

The name Vitola as Romeo and

Julieta Y Churchill's pricing

has not yet been announced.

You want to guess the price, but

it.

Doesn't say it.

No, you said it.

Hadn't been announced.

Production is limited.

I just said that, yeah, but you

started for a minute to think

about because maybe.

Because here's why.

Maybe they said, but we're

speculating between 17 to 19

dollars or something.

Did I say?

That no so.

No, but you would have said it

after I guessed it.

No, no.

I wouldn't have asked you to

guess.

OK.

What's the production?

Paul McCartney, buddy.

They making Paul McCartney.

Paul McCartney?

Yes.

Bobby, They call.

I call him Bobby.

Bob.

Yeah, Bobby.

I can't.

I hope we ran into him and I

said look, Bobby, hey, it's.

Bobby, how are you doing?

Bobby, that's just for you and

me.

No one knows.

It's the symbol going.

It's.

Not as much fun as a triangle

saw you.

Did anything else or anything

limited?

6000 numbered boxes of 10

cigars.

The first regional audition

dedicated to Monaco.

Recognizes the enthusiasm and

expertise of Manganesque

aficionados.

OK, that's the word.

I got it.

So we're releasing the cigar.

We have no idea the price, but

it's for the people for.

The peoples we made 6000 of

these little guys.

There you go.

We are delighted to see such an

words emblematic project come to

life, celebrating both the

legacy of Ramon Alanones and the

excellence of the Manganesque

market.

Well, the release date is not

yet.

We don't know when we're doing

it either.

By the way, the release date has

not been announced and cigars

appear to be coming as soon

sometime.

Between now and eventually.

There's more weird words we're

not reading this I love.

That like, where does the

conversation go?

Hey, we need to do a press

release for the cigar.

Like, well, who's making it?

OK, let me.

Make notes of who's we're not

sure how many you making 6000

we're making 6000 produce. 6000

OK, what's?

It going to cost.

We haven't decided.

I have no idea.

OK.

When are you going to release

it?

Come back to me on that one

whenever they.

Get the 6000 done as soon.

As they get here at.

The factory, we don't know what

it is so.

So put some big.

Words in it manganese.

And throw in manganese.

Throw in manganese.

As much as possible and make the

names that you can't say yeah.

All right, I feel like we're

doing things kind of backwards,

guys.

Press release, maybe later the.

Phonico 35 was released for the

Middle East.

A year later, the Ramon Alano

Silver Jubilee arrived in Asia.

Exclusive.

Got it.

But nobody's talking about us.

So press release.

Press release.

It's like if somebody here were

to steal $9000 of cigars, then

it makes it into, you know, did

I see?

A story that the guy really

didn't that he put out a a press

release said he didn't really

steal 9000.

I have no idea, I saw.

Something I thought, I thought

that's what it was I meant to

talk about.

It was last week I.

Mean you know what though?

If if it isn't true, he might

have a case.

If you know somebody, somebody's

well, I.

Think it said something like he

said somebody else said I could

have these.

Like, like Jameis Winston and

the crab legs.

Yeah, right.

Like, do you even know who that

is?

Nope.

I don't think so.

Last year, Habano's essay

celebrated.

Ask Greg if he knows.

College ball player.

It did happen when he was in

college.

Ball he.

Guessed he googled it real

quick.

No, I actually.

Remember what the guy looked

like?

It was all over the news.

He just took crab legs from like

Publix or some shit like that.

Somebody said that's right,

that's correct.

Yeah, he would go in, see an

employee, they'd give him crab

legs and he'd leave.

Then eventually he came, showed

up for his crab legs, and then

he got in trouble.

Was the employee like his boy,

just his friend?

No.

Well.

You just knew that Jameis

Winston was a star quarterback

for the Florida State Seminoles

at the time, and he was a

starting quarterback for the

Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

And then he became, then he went

to the Saints and now he's just,

I think, with the Giants.

Oh, do they give him crab legs

up there?

Probably.

I don't know if I'd take crab

legs up there.

Why not?

Not as fresh Florida.

OK, We get them right here.

You think?

New York's not as fresh, no.

They have to fly them in or

drive them in.

They can't just go out in the

water and get them pretty.

Confident we don't get crab legs

in Florida, Yeah.

I'm pretty sure we don't get

crab legs here.

Dude, you ever?

Heard of stone crab?

You only eat the claws.

I'm pretty sure that if I'm

having crab legs, they're

Alaskan.

Well then it would be Alaskan

king crab legs, right?

That's a completely.

Different thing.

Yeah, Much bigger.

Much.

Bigger.

Much bigger.

OK, Paul McCartney, buddy.

All right.

Moving on, Bobby.

Yeah Bobby, Last year Habano's

essay celebrated the 15th

anniversary for the Kahiba

Bahiki BHK flagship line by

showing off the new Hik BHK BHK

58.

Attendees at the gala dinner

during last February's Festival

de Habano were given the new

cigar as part of a new 4 count

sampler box that included one of

each of the BHK Vitolas, the

three existing ones, and the new

BHK 58.

Those 4 packs will be coming to

retailers around the world, but

they won't be cheap at their

tobacco.

The Swiss distributor for Cuban

cigars has announced that they

will release the cigars to La

Casa del Habano franchise stores

on February 3rd and Habano

specials on February 10th.

The four cigar sampler are

priced at. $500.

Wait, I have two prices.

I have Freedom Dollars and then

whatever.

CHF is freedom.

Dollars, I'm going to say it's

got to be close to 1000 bucks,

1000 bucks, OK.

And you're saying 505 hundred?

Bucks for cigars, yeah. 2140. 5

But I thought we removed Zenchi

from the equation.

Why is everything still so

goddamn expensive?

He's.

Got to pay for his legal stuff,

I say.

OK, it makes sense.

Makes sense.

I thought he was no longer

affiliated.

Retarded.

Well, there's affiliated and

there's I'm not telling you

where all my money is unless you

give me some more.

Try these Bahiques for 2000.

For context, in Spain, the Cuban

cigar prices are amongst the

lowest in the world.

The existing 3 Bahique BHK

cigars are priced at Cigars are

priced at Cigars are priced

between 270 three $125 per

cigar, but those.

Are 500 clips in Spain?

Greg, have you ever smoked a

cigar in Spain?

Have you had one?

In Spain?

No.

Never been to Spain in the cold?

Nope.

No What?

Countries.

Have you had a cigarian, Greg?

Yeah.

So we have Norway, Japan.

Japan.

Japan, Italy.

Italy.

Italy, England.

England.

China.

Yeah, he.

Had one in China with me.

China China France is 6.

Canada.

Yes, Canada.

OK, I've.

Never been to Canada, Bragua.

Obviously Africa can't count

that 'cause that's where they're

made.

Have you?

Blessed the rains down in

Africa.

No, that's why there's no

vampires.

OK, you know, it sounds like

Greg's quite the world traveler.

Yeah, it's.

Seven or seven or eight there.

He's living here in.

Florida over here just grinding

away every day.

Going to football practice 6.

Days a week.

But you do have Preston.

He doesn't have Preston.

Yeah, he doesn't have Preston.

That's true.

All right, now it is, I believe,

Hold on, there's Switzerland

pricing.

We probably don't care about

that.

Oh, they're $500 in Switzerland.

OK, Ducks.

About the leaves, Wow, it's a

long cigar.

Cigars are getting it to

himself.

At this point, yeah, Cigars.

Are completely different than

the original Cohiba Bahike, a

limited edition that was

released to celebrate Cohiba's

40th anniversary.

Next month at the Festival de

Habanos Haban OSA will celebrate

Cohiba's 60th anniversary.

It's an entirely different type

of flying altogether, yes.

Now it's time for the industry's

favorite game.

What's the score after?

I say.

Industry's favorite game, You

have to say, what's the score

with us?

Yeah.

Ready does he never.

Watch the show at all?

No.

Nothing.

Never.

All right, now it's time for the

industry's favorite game.

What's?

The score.

There you go.

Now play the music.

Which one is that?

Is it this one?

I just pick one.

Shit, when do you realize this

game's shit?

He really likes that one.

All right, Greg.

You know how the game's played

do.

You know how the game's played.

I think I have.

An idea OK all.

Right, all right.

First cigar.

We're only at 35 minutes, so let

me stretch this out a bit.

So what's going to happen is

Palmer's going to announce a

cigar from half Wheel and he's

going to announce the author of

whoever reviewed it.

And at that point you need to

decide what you think the score

is going to be.

And then I will decide what I

think the score is going to be.

And then he's going to talk

about the the description of the

cigar.

Same scenario.

He's going to give out three

clues.

And as those clues are

distributed, we are also going

to make decisions and change as

far as clue.

Then he will give out the final

thought where we get to give out

our final review and whoever is

closest or dead on wins.

OK.

Closest or dead on wins, Yeah.

Not over, right?

It's not over.

Fine is this the price is not

price is right, price is.

Right.

OK.

Can I go last?

You want to go last?

Yeah.

You're the guest.

I'll let you go last.

Sure.

You're smart with math.

That's fine.

You want the advantage?

I get it.

There is an.

Advantage there, yeah, yeah.

OK.

All right, First Cigar October

18th, 2017 by Charlie Minato.

It is a flavored infused cigar.

Nicaraguan Reviews.

Rocky Patel, Java Red Robusto.

2016 Java Red by Charlie.

Review yes, by Charlie I'm.

Going to say 85.

I'm going to say 88.

OK.

Is that mic close enough to you?

Do you sound OK?

Can hear myself OK.

But he is he one ear covered or

both I got.

Them both covered.

All right, cigar reviewed is the

Java Red Robusto.

Country of origin is Nicaragua

factory La Grande Fabrica.

Drew Estate.

Wrapper is undisclosed, binder

undisclosed, filler undisclosed.

The length is a 5 1/2 by 50.

It's a Batola is a robusto and

they smoked 3 cigars.

I'm going to stay at 85.

Yeah, no.

Reason to change.

Agreed.

Sometimes.

You can't.

There is a reason, but like in

this scenario, it doesn't really

make much sense with this.

Yeah, and.

They didn't give you any

information.

With an infused cigar.

All right, clue #1 the wrapper

and cold Draw deliver a fun

dessert like profile with

chocolate, maraschino cherry and

ice cream sweetness that feels

playful and unique without being

overwhelming.

Playful and unique.

Maraschino Cherry I.

Don't even know what that is.

It's a.

Type of cherry.

Thank you.

That's what I'm here for.

I'm going to say 86.

He went up.

I I did I'm.

Going to stick with 88.

OK, clue. #2 the contrast

between the sugary cap and the

smoky, woody, earthy core

creates an interesting smoked

Manhattan vibe that keeps the

first third engaging and well

balanced.

Smoked Manhattan is.

He drooling?

He's not drinking either.

I just mentioned Manhattan.

Nope.

No, I haven't been drinking.

Got the shakes.

Or anything over there?

Yeah.

Just for the first two days.

Yeah, that's gone now.

You should.

Never drink again 80. 6.

I'm gonna stick with 88 his.

Liver right now is just

rejoicing.

Who?

Doesn't know what to do.

Yeah.

Like I guess I should start it's

all this.

Clear, fluid, not spicy coming

in.

Guess you should.

Start sorting out these toxins

and I'm operating again.

Doing a factory reset in here?

Come on, already throw something

in here.

Oh look, Paul McCartney.

Bobby, third clue.

Well, pleasant.

The cigar lacks meaningful

flavor development and becomes

repetitive with a frequent burn

issue and touch ups eventually

hurting the overall enjoyment.

Hey, we're podcasting right now.

We could help you figure out who

should get credit for your for

your blends.

Oh, OK, well, we'll figure.

Yeah, it's Skip.

Can you send?

Me.

One of those new jackets who do.

We.

Who do we?

Who do I credit?

Who do you want me to credit?

This is this was our thought

process OK.

Let me it's a team.

Effort.

So everybody gets credit, but

yeah.

When Greg.

Gave us the forecast for this

year.

It was less than last year.

So the real question is what

comes?

He hires a sales guy and lowers

their forecast.

It's, you know what I mean?

It is what he's not, you know,

doing his best, I guess so.

So.

So Mike and I, we're wondering

who's going to get credit for

sales.

Yeah.

For what year you last year or

this year?

For every year, well, for this

year, I guess.

OK.

Well, I guess that'll that's too

the time we're just.

Trying to respond to the, you

know, being big Dick, Yeah.

OK, but but Mike Palmer.

Yeah, I.

Can't hear him?

Mike Palmer's responsible for

sales, yeah.

But I don't I'm not responsible

for the forecast.

We can.

Barely.

Hear you because you're not on

the We're not we don't have

headphones on well.

This whole thing was only fun if

he was.

If we were.

Fucking busting this.

Well, he'll be able to hear it

later.

All right, Mike.

Because Mike said sales people

don't focus on who gets credit

for the for the wins.

They they, they focus on on

growing the business for next

year.

Right, that makes sense.

Basically, how do I?

Take all these accolades and

then double down on what we

just, you know.

Yeah.

Mike says.

Mike says you fucking make it.

I'll figure it out how to sell

it.

Right.

You must be really bored at the

factory.

Is is there?

Nothing is there, Is there?

Well, he probably has.

You just don't listen to him.

That's the difference.

All right.

Love you guys.

If you guys really believe in

Alex's blending powers and you

think this Sumatra is going to

be a big hit, you bet you better

send in another fucking double

down on that shit now.

Another production you.

Guys don't have enough tobacco

for it right now.

Uh oh.

I would have ordered more.

It's Mike.

'S you sell 200.

And fifty boxes of each side in.

Like 5 minutes you can't hear

Greg, but Greg says you guys

don't have enough tobacco for it

right now anyways.

Well.

OK, we got to go.

Bye.

We don't buy tobacco just in

case, you guys.

Decide.

You're going to actually sell

something all.

Right.

OK, well, you know, we'll,

we're, we're going to do our

best over here for you Skip, and

we'll get back.

That he should, he should.

He should send Alex

congratulations.

For which one?

The San Andreas for everything.

Send Alex.

All right, so, So you hear that,

Mike, Send Alex.

Congratulations.

Alex works really hard, so he he

needs, he needs the, he needs

the motivation.

So then maybe you should be nice

to him.

Alex does work, is he?

Working.

For somebody.

Else.

Now we were just having a

conversation about where he's at

this year versus where he was

last year and why that is.

Oh.

OK, that's good.

Did you make him cry in like,

joyous?

In a joyous way?

Can't control if people cry or

not.

I can tell you like, you know,

holding people accountable is,

is its own skill.

Greg didn't respond, but I

booked our rooms at the QC, same

place we booked last year with

the dates.

I sent him a text.

I'm going.

To take care.

Of it as soon as my emails off.

Yeah, well, we had an e-mail

issue today, so we're sorting

that out.

But again, we're on the podcast.

Love you guys and we'll talk to

you later.

So this is being recorded for

the podcast?

Yes.

So this is great content.

You're welcome.

I didn't even know you were

recording.

We just wanted to call and fuck

with my father.

No.

Thank you.

Yeah, I said, hey, we're on the

podcast.

You're on the podcast.

Legally, you have to say that

all.

Right love you bye bye bye never

says he loves me.

No.

So hurtful.

How did this fall on me?

You know what it is?

I I told you that you blended

the cigar and gave you credit

for the San Andreas yesterday

show that they heard today.

Maybe could be I mean I.

Don't forecast what we buy.

Yeah, no, he's this is.

You guys don't even tell me this

is kind of.

Standard approach it just.

Sort of shows up, he's just.

Saying that you need to do

better.

That's what he's saying.

That's, that's, that's to

briefly summise.

Yeah, yeah.

I I.

It was him saying, you know, you

need to do better, and he's

right, so do better.

Name all four Beatles next time,

OK?

Bobby.

Ringo All right.

Oh, this is fine.

I didn't forget what we were

doing.

Did you guys give a vote after

the last clue?

Don't think so.

Carry on.

Well then.

Give a vote after like say the

score for the last clue.

Oh no.

I actually said it was.

You said it was.

It got shitty burnish.

Basically shitty, yeah.

OK, I'm going to go 84.

Yeah, that was.

Going to be my number.

I'm going to go 83.

All right, well.

This might not be something many

of our readers would ever

consider buying.

Many people will.

I've smoked some other flavored

cigars over the years, including

Java's, and my biggest issue is

with the Java Red is it just

seemed flat after the midway

point.

There wasn't a ton of

development from the tobacco and

I oddly found myself needing

more flavors.

While there's a good chance I'll

never smoke another one of these

in my life, I'm not opposed to

it.

It's a decent enough cigar, but

not my cup of tea.

Those who just Scroll down the

score will probably assume it's

due to my opposition of flavored

cigars.

It's not rather burn issue or

problems across the samples I

smoked. 82 I'm going to make you

decide, yeah.

I'm going to have to stick with

8380.

One you shouldn't get.

Away the other way got.

Em the other way got.

Em OK.

Anything else to add Sir?

Just set this up today on

January 30th taping for the

February 2nd show.

I have a special Co host coming

in now.

I asked Preston, but he was

especially unavailable on the

same day Mikey was unavailable.

You're not gonna get him on the

show, so I got.

Drew Tucker from First Responder

Cigars of his former minister or

family man who teamed up with

his retired special forces

brother to sell cigars.

And they do a cool podcast about

military life and cigars and

current events.

So we're all looking forward to

that here on the show.

They're great dudes.

Yeah, they are.

They're great dudes.

I thought that the big guy

stepped away from the podcast

though.

I don't know.

I haven't seen the podcast.

I haven't seen it since you were

on it.

But he didn't mention that

Saturday.

I sat next to him all day

Saturday.

Yeah.

OK.

Yeah, you know, be are you going

to put him in this chair or that

chair?

He's going we're going to talk

about his brand, talk about his

cigars and how they donate money

and that stuff and then he's

going to do this job over here.

Otherwise you might I'll be

doing both of them from this

chair.

So told me to read a couple of

stories.

We'll talk about it and then

we'll so you're.

Going to be you're going to be

the Grand Pooh bot then.

Don't I do all the work from

over here anyway?

No.

But that doesn't that makes you

the a great supporter.

Well, I'm still doing this too,

so I'm doing both jobs that day,

you know?

What?

I'm not going to give you a hard

time because, you know, we just

skip just kind of gave you a

really hard time.

So yeah, but.

I couldn't hear him so oh.

That's fair.

OK.

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Show Notes

On todays show we have hacking story that hit way to close to home. Usha is making History, Missy, Kimba, Lucky, LouLou and Jambo are about to sue Colorado to be set free! How Can The same cigar be #2 and then #14 in two days…….then in Cigars, we have a new vitola but not a new cigar…Monaco gets an exclusive cigar and Habanos exclusive cigar aint that exclusive no more!