ACHP Episode 466 Cigars and Ofsetting Felonies w/ William Marante

Transcript

So you don't watch the show? I see the snippets on Instagram. What days are you guys on? Five days a week, bro.

Damn. Monday through Friday. Are you on SportsCenter? Yeah, ESPN?

Yeah, we're right up there. Are you right before SVP at night? Yeah, that's exactly it. I will make a conscious decision to make it a point to tune in.

I think you need to do better, Willie. All right. I will try. All right, let's get into this.

All right. Okay. Let's see. Welcome to episode 466 of a Cigar Hustlers podcast.

I'm Mike Shepponkevich, your host. And with me today, as always, is Phil McGuffey in engineering. Hello, peoples. Hello, peoples.

And my co-host, Will, Will E, Will E, Marante. Willy Marante. Willy Marante. Willy Maranta.

You can say your last name, but you can't pronounce mine? No. Can you say mine? Absolutely not.

Okay, so there you go. So let's just call it even. Hi, Mikey. And we're moving on.

What's up, Willy? He is a, he's a bonafide cigar expert. That's what this says. Bonafide, wow.

Yeah. On today's show, someone is going to lose their pickle. It's a pickle, this isn't Ding Dong Ditch people, you can't fly over El Paso, then in cigars, a big one, Jonathan Drew, formerly Jonathan Drew, now Jonathan Son, his name isn't Jonathan Drew, a new cigar and another horoscope, and a new cigar and another horoscope cigars. All right, you ready to get into things?

Let's do this. I'm excited. Okay, so, apparently. Did you say horoscope?

Yeah, that's what it says. He does. Maybe that was what's the score? No, no.

He doesn't have what's the score here. If he doesn't, I'm going to look one up for us. Yeah, we got to play. I have one that I think that we should do, if I can find it.

I was talking to Willie about this upstairs, so, I mean, we definitely have to play this game. He hyped it up. Like, it was the second coming. It is.

It's a fun game. A lot of people play along. They try and guess. So, anyways.

Pickleball. There was a huge pickleball fight in Ponce Inlet, and a couple was arrested after a brawl with seniors at Port Orange Country Club. That was a real thing? Yeah, a Sunday morning pickleball match at Spruce Creek Country Club in Port Orange turned into a full-blown physical fight, ending with two arrests after deputies say the victims were both over 65.

So, do you play pickleball? No. Are you a pickleball guy? I haven't even attempted to play pickleball.

Do you do any type of, do you do tennis? I, no, I like baseball. What? I like baseball.

Do you play baseball? I used to. I still get into the cages. " I picked up boxing lately.

Yeah. He did say that upstairs. Not even Balancesto? No, bro.

No? When have you met a Cuban from Hialeah that plays basketball? I know a couple of Cubans from Hialeah. They're not from Hialeah.

They're probably from Miami Lakes. Hex. It's a totally different, totally different Cuban? Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Is it a taller Cuban? Too old.

I wasn't blessed like that. All right. All right. So anyways, Anthony Sapienza, 63, and Julian Sapienza, 51, they had an argument, escalated, and then there's alleged attacks left on one elderly victim.

What did they argue about? Medicaid fraud? Probably, you know, if the shot was in the sink or out of the sink. Like, you don't even know what the sink is, because you never-- The white line?

Yeah, it's like a, there's a, I don't know, yeah, it's a, there's an area, I don't really know the rules of pickleball. I don't, I've played, I've tried, but then I realized that this is not for me. It's in the Olympics. Is it really?

So is flag football. Flag football is way better. Way better. Way better.

You have to at least be physically fit to play flag football. I mean, a lot of people that I see who play pickleball, they got a high BMI. So what I know about pickleball is like tennis meets ping pong on an open court, right? Yeah.

And what it is, is it's like, it's for people that aren't athletic and you can kind of play this wreck. I used to play racquetball when I was younger. Yeah. And we bang it against the wall.

Yeah. Now, I mean, it, it, it, now obviously pickleball has gotten serious and there are people that are, you know, athletic that are in this and it's super intense. More often than not, I've seen something always go sideways on these damn courts. Like, how important is this game to you where you're going to lose your mind and beat up a six-year-old person?

I think people would just... In all fairness, it was California. So that makes it okay? They said Volusia.

Volusia's here. Yeah, no, no, no. Orange County. Yeah, I think this happened here.

We have Orange County's here. I've heard of this store. So we have our Port Orange is Florida. So now what?

Florida man? Wow. Florida man on a pickleball court? Yeah.

I think the issue with people is people have just grown very soft. Because if you don't remember, when we were kids, the game was not pickleball or racquetball or any of that. It was wall ball. You guys remember wall ball?

We used to play Slam. Yeah, the same concept, right? I remember Slam. Yeah.

You throw the ball. Yep. You have to run the bases and stuff. Yeah.

Okay. So wall ball was a little different, right? So wall ball is you just playing with like a tennis ball and you have to hit the wall with the ball. Pretty simple.

Right. If you don't hit the wall. Right. You have to touch the wall.

Right. And if you don't touch the wall before someone pegs you with the ball, then you're out. This is very similar to slam. Yeah.

Right. So I played highlight as a kid. You play what highlight? Did you really highlight?

Oh, I'm like, wow, I just wanted to throw a curveball in there. This guy's whipping balls at, you know, 150 miles per hour or something. I used to know a guy who played highlight. Growing up, one of my dad's friends did play, and I had much respect for them when I finally got to see it live.

Right. And how heavy that damn thing is, and the fact that they can still get that thing at 100 plus miles. Right. Impressive.

Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, so, yeah, I don't know about the whole pickleball thing, man. pickleball thing man you know i guess it's good that people are going out and kind of being active like that's always a positive but at the end of the day losing your mind and and beating the crap out of somebody over a game i mean i've seen you know so the gym that i go to they have two big basketball courts and it can and those they have games every single day and those games can get intense right that's basketball that's understandable yeah you could see and i've never ever seen it I've never seen it escalate to a point, and it probably has, but I've never seen it escalate to a point where, like, we're going, everybody's just swinging, right? Oh, yeah, but that's, uh, you're in Maitland.

You gotta come to the hood. Oh, no, no, dude. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. The best of the best come to this court.

I get it, I understand. You got a Genesis? Yeah. I used to go to that gym, and it does get heated.

But then, someone told me it used to be the old Orlando Magic facility. It already was. I mean, basketball's been embedded in that building since the inception of it. Yeah, 100 percent.

And, but, I don't know, like, how are you losing your, and you know what's funny is like, so they play pickleball out there, there's a couple pickleball courts, and you can, there are a couple guys that always have interaction with me, you can tell when things have gone sideways for them, they're usually chippy as soon as they're walking back in, I'm like, hey man, how are you? Fine! Like, oh, okay, dude, like, have a good day, I mean, I had one kind of chirp with me today, I'm like, I don't, like, okay, I don't know what's going on here, so. Control your emotions, people.

Enough is enough of this. I used to play basketball, you know, when I was younger. You played it recently, I saw you, I went to your game. You did, you went to the championship.

Yeah. And we won. Yeah. No, but, so, I used to play with all those guys back when I was younger.

King of Deltona, look at you. Right, I won the championship and retired. Yeah. You definitely weren't point guard though, I could tell you that much.

No, I'm just a shooter, man. You're a shooter? That's my game, that's it. Yeah?

Yeah, I'm just a shooter. Anyway, so back in the day, right, if you play outside, right, you're a street baller. If you play inside, you're, you know, regular basketball players. So we play street ball a lot of time.

Man, I used to see games where there was one in particular, I know, that we used to play the same five. It was me and four other dudes I grew up with. And we were playing this mixed match team. And actually, one of the guys that coaches the basketball league with you was in this game.

Okay. They ended up losing. I shot a three at the end of the game. We ended up winning the game.

And their, their like, ringleader or whatever you want to call them, their captain of their team, pulled out a knife, and he started going after one of our guys. And he got stomped. All the guys I play with are from Jamaica, Queens. So, a little different.

You know, they're a little rougher. Okay. They just started stomping them out. You know, that's a street ball.

You know, regular basketball, I've seen a couple of times, guys get pushed, you know, into out-of-bounds and stuff, and they get a little, you know. They take their basketball a little more serious up there in New York. Oh, yeah. I could see that.

Oh, yeah. That's why I said, like, you want to come see some, you know, high intense stuff, and people really, they get in the fights, come to the land. Street ball's a little different. Even downtown Sanford.

Go to the outside park in downtown Sanford? Yeah. Oh, boy. Okay, all right, well, we're moving on now, because we were talking about Pickleball, but anyways, so there's an update, it says Samantha, because Mike Palmer does not know how to spell, Samantha Guthrie update, the FBI shared a video of an armed person from the front door, did you see this?

Haven't they had this video for like, forever and a time, and now is when they want to release it? I mean, possibly. Maybe they could. It's a front door video, so that means the families had it.

Well, apparently, so apparently, they had like, the person disabled the ring camera somehow, and they had to try and pull it from somewhere. Data, cloud. Yeah, that's... If I disable the camera on the wall, it still goes to the cloud.

I understand, I understand your logic, I understand what you're saying. This is what they are saying, so, you know, we can kind of draw our own lines and kind of come to our own conclusions. You're probably right, that wouldn't make the most sense. Yeah, they probably did just release this um probably I also heard that uh you know I also heard a rumor that uh an arrest warrant is going to be issued today for a particular person as well so oh um we'll see how that kind of yeah they've been saying this since last night but I know they released the DoorDash delivery guy he's back out so he's no longer a person of interest they thought it was a DoorDash guy it was a DoorDash delivery guy that was released yo could you imagine like you dropped off the cheeseburger wow and like Like, oh, I was just there a couple days ago.

You're a suspect. Knock, knock, knock. Oh, man. That's what I read this morning.

I heard this morning on the news. I was like, DoorDash guy got released. Okay. Poor guy.

It says the Federal Aviation Administration issued unexplained notices late Tuesday. Oh, this is the next story. So, but anyways, continue with the kind of Samantha Guthrie thing. Do you think she's still alive?

No. You think she's dead? None of these stories ever pan out, right? Like, they're always.

Yeah. DOA. If she's alive, she's definitely in some type of Mexican city somewhere. She's gone.

You think she's in Mexico? Yeah, she's in the system now. I mean, we watch all these shows and we want to believe that they're alive and they have them in a chamber or a basement somewhere, but the reality is they're most of the time there. Yeah, 72 hours are usually dead, but this was in Texas, though, right?

They're by the border. I thought it was like Arizona. I know, but I think Palmer said it was by the border when we were first reading this thing. Yeah.

Arizona, I'm pretty sure, is... Because we started talking about elderly... Arizona connects to the border. Right.

We started talking about... You gotta kind of feed it a little bit. You can't just give them the answer right away. " Maybe.

I don't know, I think Arizona kind of borders Mexico. Yeah, well we... Have you heard of Arizona? No.

No? So we were definitely talking about elderly trafficking. Yeah. Remember?

I think that's why. Is there a market for that? There was a big market. Palmer had a whole thing on it.

I didn't. I was the same thing like you. I was surprised. I was like.

I mean, gum jobs can only go so far. Damn. I mean, this is crazy. Did you see the video footage of this person?

With the head down. The ski mask. Ski mask, backpack, head down. Like, they actually kind of knew where the ringer was.

The ringer was, which is kind of weird, because the moment they walked up, he was like, gloved up, everything. Oh, he's a professional. None of this has ever smelled right since the get-go of the story, so there's always been something a little off in the story. Right.

Who do you think did it? The kids. I don't know. You have no idea?

Someone close. I feel like you have an opinion, and you're not giving it to us. I don't know, nothing's adding up. Right.

Like, just like... Okay. Is it like another Casey Anthony story? You said that, not me.

I don't know. I'm just saying. Who do you think did it, Phil? I think it's someone closer in the house.

Yeah? Yeah. You think it's family related? Yes.

I mean, she's been out there, you know, so I don't know. Hmm. Hmm. It's been what?

It's been almost a week? Yeah. Well, I hope she's okay. I hope that everything works out, and I hope that she's found.

And, you know, right feel terrible for the Guthrie family. Yeah. All right, moving on. Federal, the Federal Aviation Administration issued unexplained notices late Tuesday closing an airspace over El Paso and a large patch of southern New Mexico west of Santa Teresa for 10 days.

El Paso International Airport is closed to all flights, the city said. The orders close off all air travel in the affected area, which could cause massive disruption in the nation's 23rd launch. So, why do you think we'd close the airspace? Area 51.

Yeah? Aliens? Yeah. We're testing something.

Oh, we're testing something. Yeah, that's why you need the airspace. Okay. Independence Day, right?

Well, we're not quite there yet. Area 51 was out there. Right? So that's what you think is going on?

Absolutely. You think there's some type of... Area 51. Area 51 needs the airspace.

So it's... To test out something radical to protect us from the large... It's like men in black all over again. Willie, do you believe in aliens?

It's like men in black all over again? Do you believe in aliens? We ask the hard questions here on the Sugar House podcast. I wouldn't say aliens, but I think somewhere out there we're not the only living form.

Extraterrestrials. I think there's other living forms, we just don't know about it. okay but what do you think it is okay so but if you don't think it's aliens and they shut down the airspace what could they possibly be working on i mean military testing you i understand that you're saying that i mean outside of the alien joke it has to be some kind of military like what though new jets new concept or anything you want you want to fly them out and protect people if anything the today's day and age is going to be some type of new drones Yeah. That's what I was thinking.

But that all goes together. Yeah. It's still aviation. Yeah.

So you're closing the air because it's something aviation-related. Correct, yeah. It's not like here we're just protecting Disney. Yeah.

Well, also, aerospace gets closed because you don't want anybody flying and taking pictures down on the ground either. So, like other countries, you know, which other countries fly over us all the time. We just don't know. You're going to have to build something really fast in 10 days.

Well, I heard on social media, so it's, you know, it's gotta be true, that we don't have enough missiles if things escalate, so we have ramped up production for missiles out in that area. Yeah, they do do ordnance out there. " And like, realistically, if we feel like, if you feel like the integrity of the United States is on the line, like we could be affected, do I need your permission to protect the United States? Like, this is a whole blurry line, right?

I mean, no, you don't. The federal doesn't need permission. The federal doesn't need permission to do whatever they think is best to protect us, so. Right.

Especially if there's like an eminent threat. Let's just send boots out there. You can investigate on the ground. No, I'm good.

We need actual boots on the ground to investigate this. Yeah, we need to get Phil over there covering... My days of that are over. covering Texas, 'cause that's where everything's going on.

Yeah. Or Arizona. Or Arizona. Possibly Nevada.

Maybe. Nothing in Florida. Yeah, Florida's fine. We just got pickleball fights.

Yeah. That's all we got. Life is good down here, baby. Yeah, just leave us alone.

We're good over here in the corner. I mean, we actually decided to participate in winter this year. It's kind of awkward. I love it.

Oh, it's refreshing. It's nice and cold. It's horrible. Okay.

All right, let's get on to some cigar news. The meat and potatoes of a Cigar House is podcast. Oh, is it? Yeah.

Drew Estate. Jonathan Drew, partner for Jay Son & Son, enters cigar retail and domestic manufacturing. So, did you hear about this? I did.

I was actually very intrigued with the video when he dropped it. Yeah? 'Cause he had an opus in his hand. That's what I said!

Oh, yeah, he did too. I love Jay, and he's a marketing brain, so I was like, Are we getting some kind of Dominican Liga fusion collaboration? Like, I mean, everybody was talking about it at shops, right? Like, what is that?

Because he doesn't do anything without having something behind it. A plan, yeah. So. Okay.

So he's opening up this big 7,500 or 7,500, how big is it? 7,500 square feet. Yeah, and it's like a manufacturing center. They're going to produce 500 cigars a day, supposedly.

They're going to have like a food place there. So it's a live music venue, it's a cigar bar. It's a cigar bar and it's also an online store. So you can see them like making this, rolling the cigars and stuff?

Correct. But you have that already down there. 7,200 square foot it says. You have that all over A Street.

Any cigar shop you go to A Street you have people. Sure. And rolling. Okay.

The interesting is it's going to be in Wynwood and that's a very niche area to put something like that. Yeah, so we're going to deep dive in this a little bit, we're going to talk about this one for a few minutes. Number one, I want to ask you, how do you feel about him opening this? Are you excited?

Are you like- I'm excited. I think that's, I think the future of shops are that, our experiences, just like the future of cigar events and everything, it's more in the experience world, so he's providing a different experience to come visit. Given the area, that's the trendy area, right? Brickle, Wynwood, so when you're trying to think outside the box, you're not going to do that in Kendall, downtown Miami or anything like that, you've got to go to the trendy areas and get that fame.

Who better than him? Okay. And what about you, Phil? Are you excited about the Jonathan San, Jason, Jason, manufacturing, online, food place, retail, yada yada?

- No. - Why not? - This will be interesting. - 'Cause I've never been to that area anyways and I probably still won't go there.

- Okay, I got a question for you though. What if he hires you to DJ? - Oh, I'm in. - You see?

Gotcha. - Yeah, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, I love it. Call me up.

- Okay. There's a lot of interesting things that have kind of played out because of this. And I really kind of want to break them down and really kind of take a broader scale. Number one: is his non-compete clause or was his contract up at this point in time with Drew Estate?

I think it might have been. I think that this is close to it coming to an end, right? But the way they worded it was like it's still like Drew, you know, like Drew will be a part of this. Right.

So that's the first question, right? It looks to me like this was planned for him to kind of break away and do it himself, right? Like, hey, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to step out, you know, like once I'm done here at Drew Estate, I'm officially going to launch this project in my own, you know, for myself, right?

Now, I think that it's possible when you talk about 7,200 square foot, when you talk about Wynwood and its location, you talk about all the many things that it's doing, it's going to be pretty expensive to build this, right? Now, obviously, JD's all right. He's doing, you know, he's pretty well off, but maybe he didn't have enough or maybe he wanted somebody else to have, you know, to bring capital and be an investor in it. And that's why he's at, maybe his initial plan was I'm going to do this by And then he kind of walked it back and said, well, you know what, maybe we could do this together and this would make sense.

Would that, do you think that something like that might track? It could, I mean, like I said, prime, prime real estate area. Right. I mean, that's...

7,200 square foot, bro. That's like saying you found something in Winter Park, you know, Baldwin Park, you know, for us up here. Down there, Wynwood is, you know... Dude, it's probably 4X Winter Park, 5X.

65X. So what's the relevance of the partner? Like, who is he? It's Drew Estate.

So it's Drew Estate and Jonathan Drew. It's Swisher International. Okay, so what do they bring to the table is what I'm asking. Money.

He will always be tied to Drew no matter what he does. That's him. Maybe they're just boys, right? That's just him, though.

That's him. All right. So, I mean, that's my first question. Here's my second question.

So, how should I feel about it if I'm a retailer? And I'll dive into that a little deeper after I hear your response. At the end of the day, as a retailer, you got to worry about your MLB, what runs in your four walls, your customer service, your inventory, and stuff like that. So, depending on where you're at, I would say this is how you would look at it because we all know customers come and go depending where they're at, you know?

Oh, of course. I mean, we all share customers. Everyone shares customers. I have no problem with that.

That doesn't bother me. This can be a good thing because it will drive people to the South Florida market. Okay. You know, he is a beloved figure, so you're going to get those out of towners that are probably going to pop into memory that still do, but now have an extra reason to come out.

So on the one side it could be a good thing for the South Florida market, now if you're a South Florida retailer and you have a partnership with such a brand, you know, you're gonna take a hard look at this behind closed doors, because you're like, am I competing now with someone that I'm doing business with? Right. Okay, what about you Phil, what do you think? I think what Willie just said was probably spot on.

Okay. - I've never understood why brands would try to compete anyways. - Oh, I understand. I know why.

I compete. - But yours is a little different, right? - I would agree with that too. - Yeah, yours is a little different than what you're asking of these guys, right?

It's like, maybe what they're doing will hurt the brand because this is only the first of many. you know who knows i think you guys are both thinking too small on this okay personally uh you're both kind of focusing on local retailers and the reality is that that press release specifically said online store oh so it's not local no it's local but it's also online No. Right? Now, I remember that this is a thing.

He, you know, I remember he, JD used to say all the time, well, you know, we're never gonna get into that online space. We're never gonna get into that retail space. We're never gonna do that. We're never gonna do that.

We're never gonna do that. I've heard it a hundred times. We're officially in that online space. But is the online space for whatever he's gonna make just there?

Like for John and son, whatever, like whatever is being hand rolled or made there? No, I don't know. Is he going to sell that online? I don't know.

Is the website going to be like direct to consumer? Yeah, I don't know. But here's what I will tell you. If you were in that position, would you just sell the 500 sticks that you make a day?

No. In that location? Or would you, who has a direct link to Drew Estate, now be officially direct to consumer? Yeah, well, that's where everything's gone and that's where the money's at, right?

Right. So, if I'm an online retailer, should I be upset about it? I don't know. Like, these are questions that I'm asking.

It's gonna play out interesting. Well, I mean, yeah. Before I get to my opinion on it, I'm gonna make another statement, which I think is interesting. There was an app back in the day.

Do you remember this app? It was the Drew Diplomat app? Right? You bought stuff, you got swag.

Yeah, there was a whole thing, and it never really kind of worked right. There was always some kind of issues with it. But you had to sign up. But as a retailer, you went out of your way and you encouraged your customer to log in to this Drew Estate app because, hey, they're going to bring people to your store, they're going to do all these things.

And now you have this national database that's gigantic. The National Database in an AI era? And an AI, sure, right? That's gigantic, right?

That has been cultivated and built with people that supported your brand, right? As a retailer, as a small retailer, as a big retailer, medium retailer, and now you got all that data. You're going to tell me you just want to sell the 500 sticks a day that you make out of that barn? Right?

We will soon see. So, okay, so now, you know, if we're going to assume that, hey, we're going to go direct to consumer, we're going to do Drew Estate, and, you know, we're going to, you know, we can essentially undercut- I can't see the day Drew Estate goes direct to consumer. I just personally don't see it. Really?

Well, I think that you just saw it in this article. I think you just saw it in this article. I mean, that's how a lot of people are going anyways, though, right? We've read a lot of articles in the past episodes of this, and a lot of people are doing that, whether they're a small company here.

That legal culture, that drew culture, I just can't see it going direct to consumer. Why not? Just me, who I am and how I see and view the industry. I like to probably still believe in certain aspects.

I want to believe that legal culture, that drew culture that at some point we've all loved. Okay. You know, that brotherhood, that camaraderie and all that, I want to believe that will never go direct to consumer. Do you believe in money?

What happens when it does? And I'll come back and have that conversation with you here. What happens when it does? I'll come back and we'll have the conversation.

Because like, here's the reality, here's the reality, right? We're all, a lot of retailers are mid or smaller, smaller or mid-level retailers, right? You got a couple of guys that are like a tier above, Small Batch, Smokin, Atlantic, right? Those guys are big, but they're not the giants, right?

And then you have these giants, you have CI, right? The person that's been running the hardest against CI recently is Cigar Page, right? Backed by Oliva, direct to consumer, right? Right.

Well, you're not employed in the cigar industry currently, so you can say whatever the hell you wanna say. No, I'm just being honest, like I don't, I understand all that, I just think I'm gonna believe in the brotherhood and stuff like that, like I think what they have built, there's only two brands that move people like that that I've ever seen. Okay. You know, I've never seen guys flock to Jonathan Drew and Pete Johnson like that, you know, like when you do events and you're at these Rocky Mountain events, guys flock to a Pete Johnson and Jonathan Drew.

I just don't see the day that they give that up. I could be wrong, but I like to still believe. I know. Santa Claus is still alive, too.

And the Easter Bunny. Yeah, I know. And the Dallas Cowboys. Okay.

Listen, Mickey Mouse is just a guy in a costume. I got news for you. I haven't been an annual pass holder for years. You got to give that up.

I'm never letting it go. Okay, so, CI, Cigar Page, and let's say hypothetically Drew Estate, now you have three big dogs all competing for that space, and they all have the financial backing to take a big portion of the consumers, right? Yeah, they gotta take it from someone, or where? Right.

Sorry. Who does Drew Estate acquire? Right. You got this list, bro.

You got all these guys. You got the swag. You can go direct. You can lower your price.

You can compete at a level. And you're going to tell me, no, they're going to. I got news for you, buddy. I got news for you, man.

Which one do you think? Listen, I have my own experiences with Drew Estate, right? And I support the brand. They're in the store.

We've navigated through those issues. But I'm going to tell you, at the end of the day, when it comes to any big company, the only thing they care about is the bottom line. Period. The bottom line.

Now, look, people can be, am I mad about it? No. Is it something that upsets me? Absolutely not.

Will it upset others? 100%. Right. It's called capitalism, right?

It is what it is. It's not a pretty thing at times, but that's exactly what's going on here. You're seeing this progress over the course of the past five, ten years that these big dogs are aiming at going direct to consumer. Right.

And whether they're going to say it or not, I believe that that's what's about to happen. And I guarantee that if you spoke to people at Drew Estate, some of them would say, yeah, that's what's happening, but don't believe it, I can't say it. I would bet the farm that that's what's about to happen. So yeah, so you probably see a little bit more of this whole thing, Mikey, because you're a retailer, right, so you do ordering through them, you know, you do all the events and stuff, so you probably see maybe a pullback and how they're kind of forming that bubble of direct-to-consumer.

Your leaguer consumer, your asset consumer, that brotherhood, they don't give a shit, they want to be part of the Drew Estate Brotherhood. They don't wanna be part of the retailer brotherhood, so now, could a retailer argue foul? Could they say, hey man, I helped you build all this stuff and now you just took my customer? I mean, you could, but what's gonna happen?

There's nothing you can do about it. You're just a number. It's too late. Yeah.

It's too late! You already did it! Yeah. I love my brick and mortars and I hope that, you know, it's not that, you know, like, I could be wrong and in the next few years I'll come back and be like, Mikey, you were right.

Would direct-to-consumer for Drew Estate hurt your retail business, Mikey? Damn, you beat me to it, I was just going to ask you. Oh, sorry. I don't think so.

No? I don't think so. You want to know why? Because, you know, fortunately for me, the writing was on the wall at an early age.

And when it happened, man, it sucked, dude. It was one of the worst feelings I've ever had in my life. Mike, you got behind a brand, you built a brand, you cultivated the brand, and that brand smashed me on the head, and just like you, I refuse to believe it, I'm like, no, that's not right, that's not the case, that's not what's going on here, something else has to be going on here, right? You don't want to believe it, until like the second or third conversation that I'm having in person with someone, and I got tears in my eyes, man, I'm fucking, I am upset.

But I am drawing the hard line and I'm saying, hey, I'm not placing an order at this show, you know? And what did they care? I mean, it was what, a $25,000 order? Yeah, move on to the next one.

They're like, pfft, next? Who cares? Right? So, no, I don't think for one second that it's a brotherhood, buddy.

Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, that's, that's, I don't think it is a brotherhood for those guys.

I mean, there's such a big giant, like, the only thing that does ever matter to those giants is money. Yeah, and I wish them the best. I hope it's successful. I hope it goes well.

I can't wait to go down and check it out. I'm going to go down there when it's done. I want to see what it looks like. Oh, I'm, of course, I'm excited for it.

You know, it's the, it's the future. These things are happening. But now as a brand owner of myself, who is direct to consumer, but protects my brand, I will not discount. I will not discount, I will not compete against a retailer working an angle that I think is shady, right?

I will always give that retailer the opportunity because I want them to grow. You guys, if you're a retailer and you say you wouldn't carry my product because I'm a retailer, I got news for you, man. One of the biggest dogs is about to go direct to consumer. And they're not the only ones.

Oliva's already doing it, STG does it, all of these brands do it. And they don't protect you. Yeah, they just call themselves a different name. Right.

Right. Disguise. Gotcha. And I got news for you.

I don't think Pete Johnson would ever do it, but if he did, I'd say, hey man, good for you, if he went DTC. If Roma did it, hey, good for you, man. Go do it. Go direct.

What is, what is the, is it just because it would kill the brick and mortars? Is that why it's such a bad idea? It, right. Okay, so you asked me the question of if Drew went direct to consumer, would it really impact me?

The answer is no. I didn't sign up to the Diplomat right away. I'd never encourage my customers to go onto their site. I never, ever said, hey, you need to be a part of this and get the points and all that stuff.

So we don't have that customer here. Now, do we have customers that like Drew Estate? Yes. Yeah, everybody does, right?

We have customers that smoke acid, customers that smoke Liga, online and in-store. This is going to affect those stores if it does go that route. That consider them on their annual calendar, you know, big 12 annual event, like, you know, it's a part of their revenue when they do that event cause the influx of the sales for that specific brand and what it does, so if it does happen, that's where those stores are going to have to have a real hard conversation of what are we doing. It's going to rip the heart out of a lot of these retailers.

And that is why I want to believe what I believe. You know, like. Yeah, I get it. Sunshine and rainbows, buddy.

I want to believe it, too. Unfortunately, desafortunadamente, no. Speaking in Spanish? Oh, let me do this for you.

Duolingo. Wow. Solo hoy. Wow.

That's brave of you after the week we've been having speaking in Spanish. Yeah. Why? I like Spanish people.

I don't know, man. There's a lot of people upset out there. I like white people too. There's always going to be people upset and people not upset.

Let me ask you something. Where were you born? Were you born here? I was born in the great city of Hialeah, Florida.

Hialeah, Florida. And were your parents born here? No, I was first generation born here. So you're first gen.

So am I. I'm first gen. Hybrids. What's the difference?

Can you say the word hybrid with that mask on? Hybrids. You can't say words, period. Good point.

Wow. Unbelievable. All right, moving on. Alright, moving on.

Claro, a company best known for its humidors, has announced a new cigar that comes by the way of JRE Tobacco Company. The company is in the midst of a multi-stage release of Mission Zero, a limited edition cigar that was blended by JRE Tobacco. It's offered in a lone 6x52 Torpedo Vitola that uses a Cameroon seed wrapper grown in Honduras, over a Honduran binder and fillers from Honduras. Pricing is set at, how much do you think of the cigars?

Claro, humidors, now we're going to do cigars, cigar good, JRE, $12, $12, American doll hairs. C. Okay. And for, let's see, you hear that sound?

That's the sound where he starts to crank up his brain. I mean, there's smoke coming off the top of his head right now as he's thinking. Yeah. I'm going to say $15.

Pricing is set at $30. Hey, I was closer. $300 per box of 10. Of course, $30.

Wow. The company has leaned into a space theme for this release, specifically the idea that a lit-belly-coastal cigar with its pointed top and orange-colored bottom looks like a rocket. Oh, they're in trouble. As such, Mission Zero is described like a space mission, with Claro replacing terms like the first-third, second-third, and final-third with liftoff, mid-orbit, and re-entry in its marketing.

Didn't Fratello have a... Fratello is very spacey. Yeah. I would say that's kind of different.

But he had like a specific cigar. Is it at least 20% different? Right? Yeah.

Could you argue the fact that you could confuse both brands? I don't think you can, to be honest. No. So, I think that they should be fine.

I love their humidors though. Great humidors. Okay, so what do you think about a humidor company getting into a cigar and into the cigars? We've seen this before.

Have you seen this before? We have. We've seen this story before. How did it end up?

Not well. It did not end up well. Right? Who was it?

And the cigars weren't bad. They weren't. They weren't bad. Zycar did it.

Oh, that's a big company. Right? Who's this company? Claro.

Is that a big company? They actually do have really good humanors. Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah?

Yeah. Okay. So, do you think this is going to end up okay? I wish them the best.

I wish them the best too, I don't know man, like dude, it's a tough landscape, you know, for me, there's a lot of good cigars, not at the $30 range, and in the market that we're living in right now, a brand new cigar entering that world, I mean, you're going up against the Davidoffs, Padrons, Atabeys, you know, like, it's a heavy list to go. It's not going to go into. Yeah. Off the back end of an accessory company.

Yeah. And you're not even really getting in at an entry level where someone would even consider. Oh, 30 bucks. I don't know.

I mean, it's Jerry. I'm sure Huso's going to make him a delicious cigar. He's got good tobacco. He has really good tobacco.

But that price is going to be steep. A little steep. They got an uphill battle. For me, as a small brand, I mean, it took over...

This is our 11th year, right? And I really feel like our biggest notoriety that we received was at about the 10-year mark, right, so far. So, that means, if we're using that as a gauge of measurement, that means by 2036, if Claro's still hanging out there with cigars, then maybe they'll make it. You think it's 10 years?

You think that's a fair statement, 10 years? Yeah. Have you seen a brand blow up under than 10 years? I've seen a couple, only, you know, Like I can think it's a Tuaje.

That was a different time. Foundation? Foundation, but the guys experienced. Yeah.

Room 101? Room 101 probably did it in a shorter period than 10 years. So you're basically saying like the founding boutique guys. Yeah, the earlier on guys had an easier entry level.

Artisan has done some great stuff, the guys from Apupa, but they've been around too on the retail side for years. Right. But their brand itself has been... Yeah, they're doing pretty good.

Okay. All right. Well, wish you the best, Claro. I'm excited.

I mean, I'll try the cigar if we can get our hands on it. For sure. You know. It says each box comes with five aluminum tubes, four rounded ones, and one that looks like a rocket booster.

The rocket booster, looking one also doubles as a cigar stand. Claro says production is limited to 350 boxes. The company says around 25 retails will carry the cigar, while Claro will begin selling the remaining inventory directly to consumers, beginning later today. See what you did there.

Well, this has been a thing, like, if you do watch the show, you'll see, like, almost once a week, like, there's a direct-to-consumer thing, you know? I don't have a problem with direct-to-consumer, as long as you protect your price point, right? I don't have a problem with it. So keep it at an even scale where you're buying it direct is the same price you would buy it in the humidor.

Yeah, if my MSRP is $10 across the board, then if you want it for me, the MSRP is $10, right? If you want to offer a discount on a five pack and it's 5%, okay, I have no problem with that. You want to do 10% on a box? Fine.

That's kind of your average store discounting when it comes to buying product, right? Right. Anything more than that, if you're not protecting your brand, like, okay, then what are we doing? Right.

And I'm going to tell you, the funny part is like, the real question is, is direct to consumer the way where it just completely works? And I'm going to tell you, in my opinion, I don't think it is. I think that it's a part of something that benefits everything as a whole. Right.

If you protect the brand and you have the opportunity, if a retailer doesn't do their job and carry the product and keep it in stock, then there needs to be a source where that customer can get the product. But isn't a catch-22, like if you're direct-to-consumer, you walk in, like let's say, come into my store, and I already know your product is direct-to-consumer, then why do you need my partnership? You're already going straight to the source. Well, perfect.

That's why I'm telling you that it's actually required for all of it to work, right? You need the retailers to believe in the product to introduce the product to consumers, right? And, in turn, the retailers have to know that they can trust you, right? Like, it has to be this symbiotic relationship.

If that doesn't happen, if there's betrayal on one side or the other, then you got a problem, a big problem. Now, I have no problem saying, "Hey, I've never deep discounted my product. I got an 11-year track record. " So much to a point that if I've had a limited edition sell out to retailers and I couldn't carry it on our store, I don't.

I take care of the retailers first. And I'll even take it another level. If I have it, if I have the LE, if I sold it, if it's a new cigar, whatever it is, right, and I'm shipping it out to retailers and they haven't had a chance to put it on their site and produce it to customers, I won't put it on my site. So you would give it to the retailers before the site?

Every time. Not I wouldn't, or not I would, I do. Every single time. I will do everything I can to help a retailer grow and build and become successful.

Now, if they want to screw it up, that's on them, right? If they want to say, "Hey, you know what? 40% off on Postonic. Great.

" Right? There are going to be a lot of stores at the moment they hear DTC. They're going to be like, have a good day. And you know what?

That's fine. Because guess what? I hope that they're pulling Drew Estate out of their store. I hope that they don't carry Oliva.

I hope that they're, you know, I hope Ashton's not in there. Because guess what? I just named the three big dogs that are in this industry. Right?

Oh, but they carry those? So that's okay? Because Oliva doesn't protect their brands. No, I could buy...

Ashton doesn't protect their stuff. I could buy a Leva for five bucks on CigarPage. Yeah, who was the other one that I just mentioned? It's not official yet, that's one.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. To be determined, TBD. Mm-hmm.

" I don't want to be right, dude. Yeah, you do. I really don't. You want to hear me come back and say you're right?

I really don't care. Man, you know what, dude? I just want people to be good people and look out for each other. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Well, see how it develops. I think I'm going to be a call on this podcast. Valakari Lure team up for Narius. Oh, Lure?

Yeah. Last year, Lure Cigars and Valakari Cigars teamed up for a release called the Redfish. This week, the two companies are releasing another collaborative project, this time in honor of the Chinese Zodiac calendar. Callender.

I haven't seen that before. No, this is brand new. This is the first time ever. However, I never heard anything called the Nereus, or whatever you're saying.

It's a five and a half by 60 box-pressed Gorgito that is made entirely of Nicaraguan tobaccos. This includes a sun-grown Habano seed wrapper from Esteli, a binder from Esteli, and five-year-old fillers from Condega and Esteli. It is made at La Tabacaria Cigars in Esteli, Nicaragua. well notably this is a different blend from the redfish each cigar has an msrp of 30 30 30 phil i'm gonna go 29 15 i was closer and you guys had it backwards and a production is limited to 250 bundles of 10 cigars balakari which distributes luer cigars will ship the cigars tomorrow february 11th the company says that the that nearest will be sold at 18 retailers we're excited about the These are two new projects coming out of the factory.

This blend was something that Lou and I both liked, and it seemed fitting that we did another collaboration. It's been a great experience developing cigars that showcase the signatures of both brands, said Nimr Ahmad, owner of Valakari in a press release. Valakari features classical imagery and lure has fishing-themed branding. The name Nereus is a nod to the Greek mythical sea creature.

Hippocampus, how is it Chinese related? Which is described as having the upper body of a horse with the lower body of a fish, offering a year of the seahorse release. Got it. Seemed fitting as this year honoring the horse is the Chinese Zodiac.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. More words, more words, more words. Have you, have you tried any of the lure stuff? Never.

Have you tried any of the Valakari stuff? Once or twice. Okay. Are you excited about this cigar?

I like the price point. It's not bad, 15 bucks. You know, for the run that they're having at that quantity, at that price point, should be a get in, get out concept for them, and it should be effective for them. 60 ring gauge, though.

I mean, I don't know. That's always tough. There's a market out there. People still like their beer.

There's a market, but as a cigar guy, do you like a 60 ring gauge? How often do you smoke a 60 ring gauge? Um, not ever. Okay, what's your average gauge that you smoke?

Um, I used to be high on Toros, and then post-COVID, it's just like Robusto. Yeah. Coronas. Okay.

So 52, 50s, 48s. I never explored with anything 60 plus. The only 70 gauge I ever attempted to smoke was when Espinosa did their first La Bamba and Junior had given me one and I tried it on the 4th of July and three hours later. What happened?

Not the jaw lock I want in my life. No? Did it make you sick? No.

No? But it's just not for me. But respect to those people that can smoke those big gauges. Yeah.

Okay. All right. It's that time for the industry number one game. Yes.

What's the score? You got to say that with us. He didn't know. We're going to try it again.

Ready? All right. It's that time for the industry, number one industry game in the world. What's the score?

All right. Today we have July 26, 2020, Charlie Monado, Cigars, Dominican Republic, La Aurora. Oh, this is cheating. Limited edition, La Aurora TAA Exclusivo.

Because this is cheating. You know why? Because Willie really knows the numbers of La Aurora. All right, so here's how this is going to work.

Next brand. What? No, no, no, no, we're going to do this. You just got to guess the score of a cigar.

You're going to guess the score. You're going to guess the score. So here's what's going to happen. You're going to guess the score.

Was it the 2019 release? Yeah, the 2020 release. I think you're going to guess the score Phil's going to guess the score and then I'm going to give you the next set of information and you're going to guess again make your adjustments when we get to the final thought that'll be the last words and then you get to decide what where you're going to be in the score so we'll fill and whoever is the closest or dead on will win the first round or this is just the one it's a one round game today of what's the score so where are we at -87. -87.

-87. Phil? -86. -87, 86.

Okay, Cigar Review, La Aurora, TAA Exclusivo, Country of Origin, Dominican Republic, Factory, La Aurora Cigar Factory, Rapper, Ecuador HVA, Binder, Dominican Republic, Cibao Valley? -Cibao. Wow. Okay.

Filler, Dominican Republic, Sabau Valley, and USA, Pennsylvania Broadleaf. Length, 6 inches, ring gauge 50, obviously the Vitola is Toro, MSRP, $12, box of 10, $120, release date June 8th, 2020. Number of cigars released, 500 boxes, totaling 5,000 cigars. And the number of cigars reviewed was three.

Willy. I just, the same rating? Uh, you can, you can change it, you can keep it the same, you can do whatever you want, whatever your little heart desires. I'll keep it at 87.

With your hope-filled world of people not being capitalists. 87. 87. I'm gonna stay at 86.

Okay, 87, 86. Clue number one. The cigar transitions nicely from woody honeyed sweetness with minerals and black pepper They add up their flavor into deeper notes of Cedar, Toast, Creaminess, Citrus, and even Muffin-like Bread readiness. The retrohale especially shines with layers of sweetness, fruit, and French bread character.

88. Ooh, moves up to an 88. Phil? 86.

I'm going to stay. Don't fall for that. He's trying to trick you. I'm not trying to trickle.

Okay, clue number two. Full flavor with classic La Aurora richness. It delivers full flavor with medium, full-bodied, and strength, staying true to La Aurora's bold profile. When construction cooperates, the cigar offers a super clean, creamy finish, and a very developed final third.

Willie? 85. Really? The construction line.

Eighty-six, I'm sticking. Clue number three, inconsistent construction and drawing issues, burn and smoke production can stall around the halfway point, sometimes requiring a recut or touch-ups. Wow. When the draw isn't right, the cigar becomes overly strong and heavy, impacting the overall experience.

I'll stay at eighty-five. Willie is staying at eighty-five. Phil? I feel like, you know, this is Charlie once again, he's super political.

Political, 86, I'm staying. Okay, 85, 86, final thought, he's super political? Well, when it comes to, you know, this is a bigger brand, he's gonna be like, hey. No, he's not, he's not even remotely close to that.

All right. He's brutally honest. Okay. Too honest.

Yeah. Some people feel that way. There's no teriyaki in this, so it's definitely not getting over a 90. Okay, final thought, in so many ways, the La Aurora TA exclusive is all over the place.

What started off like La Aurora's Bread and Butter, full flavor, medium elsewhere, ended up with gut-punching strength. But the most defining part of the cigar is the draw. When it's good, the rest of the cigar is very good. If it's not, the cigar can be a pain to smoke.

Despite all that, the flavor was actually rather consistent from cigar to cigar. It's one of the weirder cigars to describe, given all the variables. But if the question is a simple matter of good or bad, the answer is the former. Final score.

84. 84 from Willie. Phil? 85.

So I have an 84 from Willie. Yes. And I have an 85 from Phil. Yes.

The final score is? From the La Aurora TAA 2020. Go, go, go. Is 88.

Yes. And Phil has won it. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. He's very excited over there.

You see what I was telling you upstairs, like, the description was great. I mean, I would have been, I let you win, you do know that, right? Oh, get out of here. Given my path, I don't think I know that score?

I know you know the score. I see you post stuff about them all the time. I don't know. I don't know.

I mean, to be honest, when you hear construction issues and it's Charlie, I would be in that 84 or 85 at best range. Right. We were talking about this upstairs. You know, it's like, you know, these guys will count off a lot for a burn line or, you know, any of that kind of stuff.

Again, this is a bigger brand, right? Like, a well-known brand. I don't think they're going to go very low on it. I'm going to look up one real quick and see if I can find this really quick.

By the way, Lure Cigars, Willie, if you try one, the first one to try is the Fish Stick. It's a very good cigar. All right. I got one for you.

I want you guys to do this one, too. All right. Is it Postana? It is.

Yes. It's a Postana SBC 24. But here's the twist. Instead of it being from Half Wheel, it's from Cigar Coop.

Oh, 10. So this review was February 10, 2026. 5. I encourage you guys to go and watch, go and read Cigar Coop's page and check out his reviews, all right?

So, let's go. I'm just winging this off the cuff here. So, blend and origin. Barbara Pohl of SPC 24 is a combination of Mexican Habano and Ecuadorian Connecticut shade, leaves intertwined.

The remainder of the blends consist of all Nicaraguan tobaccos. Wrapper, Mexican Habano, Equin, obviously I just said that. Binder, Nicaraguan. Filler, Nicaraguan.

Country of origin, Nicaragua. Factory, Fabrica de Tobacos, Nica de Sueño. Phil, you go first. Okay.

I mean, everything you said sounds great. I'm going to go 89. Okay, 89. Willie?

91. 91! He's a nice guy. Okay.

We're going to go, I'm going to skip appearance. We're going to go pre-light draw. a straight cut was used to remove the cap of the spc 24 once the cap was removed it was time to commence with the pre-light draw ritual the cold draw yielded notes of cream and wood overall this was not a pre-light draw that had me doing handstands flavor wise since the pre-light draw is not factored into our numerical score or value rating there was no loss of points here at this point it was time to toast up the spc 24 and move into the smoking phase of the cigar now he says And he says this doesn't affect it, but he did not like it. Phil?

I'm going to stick an 89. I'll go 88. Okay. Tasting notes.

I'm going to give you the first paragraph on the tasting notes. I'm going to jump to the burn, and then I'm going to do final thoughts. All right? So, tasting notes, first paragraph.

The SBC 24 opened up with notes of cream, wood, mixed pepper, natural tobacco sweetness, It was a natural tobacco sweetness and a slight berry note. Early on, the natural tobacco and berry notes moved into the forefront. Meanwhile, the wood, cream, and pepper notes settled in the background. There was a slight fusion between the natural tobacco and berry notes.

Meanwhile, the retrohale delivered a combination of wood and pepper notes. Phil? Berry, huh? Berry.

You've never done a coupe one. This is fun. Yeah. This is before...

Or he said we were bad for the industry, so I'm going to stick at 89. I'm staying at 88. Okay. Burn.

The SBC 24 was at times prone to meandering along the burn line and required multiple touch-ups to keep it on track. While the touch-ups did the trick, this cigar required more touch-ups than I prefer. This ash was light colored. The ash wasn't overly firm, but it wasn't loose or flaky either.

Meanwhile, the burn rate and burn temperature maintained ideal levels. Oh, Phil? I wonder what that level was. Um, man, I wonder, you know, if he's like the other guys, I'm gonna go 82 because of the burn issue.

Ooh, 82, okay. Yeah, I feel like Coop is a slasher. I'll go 85. Here it is.

When it comes to barber poles, Powstanie's track record has been very good. The Powstanie Wojtek Toro landed number four on the 2022 Cigar of the Year Countdown. Bang. And the Powstanie SBC 18 landed number 15 on the 2020 Countdown.

Bang. In my opinion, the SBC 18 is still the best of the SBC collection. With the SPC 24, it simply doesn't match up to those other Barber Poles in flavor. I do like the fact that the creaminess was sustained with the SPC 24.

In addition, the $16 price point is a bit high. Ultimately, I suggest placing the cigar in the "try a sample" category and see how you feel about it. What year was this written? Uh, 24, so it came out...

Before he hated this. 24? Yeah. Right.

Two years ago. $16 wasn't that bad of a price point in 2024. It's actually, this is our newest one, so it came out last year, it's 25, it came out in 25, but it was blended in 24. So super affordable because somebody just made a $30 cigar that's only going to make $300.

$16. You think a $16 limit LE is expensive? LE, right. Okay.

Yeah. Curious. Get your feedback. Man, this is hard because Coop is different.

You know, I'm going to stick at $82. $82, okay. Willie? I'm going to stick at $85.

Middle of the road, huh? So I have Phil at $82, and I have Will at $85. Willie, $16 is a great limited edition price point. Yeah, that's what we think.

You know, for... I agree. Everyday people. I mean, that's...

Right? Coop's not there, though. All right. Well, the final score from Cigar Coop was 87.

Oh man, I should have stuck. Yes. I thought he was really going to count off. 87.

Willie, you are the winner. All right. Congratulations. So you finished tied for today.

So not a loser, not a wiener. Not a loser, not a winner. Tie. All right, anything else?

I'm excited to say wiener. He loves that. He loves that. No, I don't.

Anything else to add before we let you go? No, it was great being on with you guys. How about where are you going to be? Let's plug that in.

Where are you going to be? People want to see Willie. Yes. Are you allowed to say that or no?

Not yet. You're not allowed to disclose. I'm enjoying the downtime right now. Okay.

All right. But you are going to be, I mean, I was going to plug it. So that's what I was trying to do for you. But if you don't want to plug it, that's okay.

You can come back on when you're there. We'll talk about it. Okay. People want to know.

Yep. Alright, thanks for watching. com for all your swag and apparel. Make sure you like and subscribe wherever you're watching or viewing.

If you buy one piece of swag, get the second one 40% off. Right. You know, I'm sure there's some comments from the YouTube page. Unfortunately, we didn't get to that today.

As you can see that I am at the helm of things. Yes. I'll make sure that we do all of that before the end of the week or Monday morning as that's how it's gonna record. So, Willie, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Thank you for having me. We wish you all the best, man, we always do wish you the best. I know that sometimes on the podcast it could come across that we don't wish you the best, but we do. We're always going to cut jokes and play things, and if we ever hit a sensitive subject, let us know and we'll shut it down, all right?

Yeah, not a problem. All right, brother. All right, thanks everybody, goodbye. Thanks, bye.

There you go.

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