ACHP Episode 481 Old Man Dementia Fighting
Episode Summary
Episode 481 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast finds Mike Palmer and co-host Mikey wrestling with brand-new wireless mics and auto-switching cameras (and no Phil) while running through a loose news block: a 651,000-bottle water recall from Wisconsin-based Valley Springs Artesian Gold, the temporary closure of Hamad International Airport and Qatari airspace amid Middle East conflict, and a disturbing elder-abuse case out of Winston-Salem, North Carolina where assisted-living staff were charged with filming fights between dementia residents. They also cover two teacher/authority-figure sex-crime cases, including Louisiana ex-mayor Misty Roberts, and turn the conversation toward parenting, consequences, and talking to kids.
The cigar news segment leads with Fratello USA's 250 — a 6x54 Toro with a Nicaraguan wrapper, Pennsylvania binder and Dominican/Pennsylvania filler, rolled at Joya de Nicaragua, released in 250 boxes of 13 to mark America's 250th anniversary at the 2026 PCA Convention & Trade Show in New Orleans. Next up: two all-new Caldwell Long Live the Queen releases under the Crafted & Curated series — Forbidden Fruit Claro and Oscuro — both 6x60 Gordos with Mexican San Andrés wrappers, made at Tabacalera Mina del Rey, limited to 400 boxes each at $16.50. That price sparks a good retail discussion about why big-ring Gordos usually live in the $8–$12 value lane and how little ring gauge actually affects production cost.
On the legislative front, Oregon's proposed ban on internet cigar and pipe tobacco sales has been amended to strip out cigars, leaving vapes as the target — a win the guys frame as proof the industry's "we are not the same as vapes" messaging is landing. Hawaii and Utah remain the only two states banning online cigar sales to consumers, though reversal legislation is pending.
Elsewhere: a road-rep travelogue from Jacksonville shops (Waterwheel, Ash Street, Tobacco Cove) selling Posada Cigars, including notes on the Habano moving better than the Connecticut and the Urbano Toro; a candid take on paid celebrity cigar photo ops (Bert Kreischer with Rocky Patel) versus genuine advocacy like Joe Rogan with Foundation; and a What's the Score segment on Brooks Whittington's review of the Alec Bradley Black Market Bootlegger.
In This Episode
- 01New Gear, No Phil, YouTube CommentsMike and Mikey debut wireless mics and auto-switching cameras while reading listener comments, including feedback on the Skip Martin RoMa Craft interview.
- 02News Block: Water Recall and Middle East TravelA 651,148-bottle Valley Springs Artesian Gold water recall and the temporary suspension of flights at Hamad International Airport due to Qatari airspace closure.
- 03Elder Abuse Case in Winston-SalemThree former assisted-living employees charged after allegedly staging and filming fights between residents with dementia.
- 04Misty Roberts and Teacher Misconduct CasesThe Louisiana ex-mayor's conviction for carnal knowledge of a juvenile, plus a Rhode Island PE teacher case, leading into a parenting talk about actions and consequences.
- 05Celebrity Endorsements vs. Real AdvocacyWhy a staged photo of Bert Kreischer holding a box feels inauthentic compared to genuine fans like Joe Rogan with Foundation cigars.
- 06Fratello USA 250 Debuts at PCA 2026A 6x54 Toro with Nicaraguan wrapper, Pennsylvania binder and Dominican/Pennsylvania filler rolled at Joya de Nicaragua, limited to 250 boxes of 13 for America's semiquincentennial.
- 07Two New Caldwell Long Live the Queen ReleasesForbidden Fruit Claro and Oscuro arrive as 6x60 Gordos with San Andrés wrappers at $16.50, sparking a debate on Gordo price points.
- 08Oregon Strips Cigars from Online Sales BanOregon amends its bill to exclude cigars and pipe tobacco, while Hawaii and Utah remain the only states banning online cigar sales.
- 09What's the Score: Alec Bradley Black Market BootleggerGuessing Brooks Whittington's score on the Honduran 5.25x54 Robusto Gordo with its creamy oak, graham cracker, coffee and cocoa nib profile.
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Transcript
Welcome to The Cigars Podcast episode 481. I'm Mike Palmer, your host, and with me today is, why is it stuck on you? We have new equipment. We're working this out.
We have no Phil today. " And then as my co-host, Mikey Szczevankevich. Hi. It's me.
Okay. On today's show, now even water isn't safe. We have a Mid-East travel update. Old people are in the news again.
And then one kid in Louisiana took the term play Misty for me way too seriously. Oh, that sounds interesting. Then in cigar news, we have a PCA cigar announcement. Two Queens will be here soon.
And we are back on in Oregon. Okay. And then we wrap up with a what's the score. I don't know how we're going to do that.
Are you going to play against yourself? I guess. All right, but before we get started, Michael, how do we get some of that CH Pond hat swag? com where you can get all of our swag.
Mike, go ahead and talk so we can show that hat off. Oh, here it is. Look at that. That's beautiful.
We only have a few of those left. Make sure you check those out. If you buy one, you get the second one 40% off. We have brand new lighters as well.
Triple torches that say smoke and subscribe and single flames. So jump on it while the swag is still there because they sell out. Did, uh, Frank Stiletto get his letter? He, I, it shipped, I think, yesterday.
All right, I didn't know if you knew where I kept them, that's why I asked. Gotcha. Okay. All right, now on with the, what?
Ooh, should we cover our, my YouTube? Oh yeah, do the comment, sorry. Hmm. Let's see here.
What do we got today? Feels so weird without the microphone. We had a, I know, I love it. I missed the microphone.
We had a lot of comments. There was an old one. Yeah. Jason Ritchie commented on the Skip Martin Romacraft interview.
He said, "Great interview, fellows. Learned a lot. " There was one on when What's-His-Name Died, The Wrestler. Yeah, but those are shorts.
" Oh, that's an old one. Did that yesterday. David Morris, 7700, says at 642, I see Palmer didn't red light today. The airstrikes in Iraq have killed the militia members.
Brother, come out of 2003 and join us in 2026. I don't get that, because the news said it killed the militia members. Because you said militia. Like militia members?
That's what they called them. It's the Iraqi militia. Or Iran militia. I can't remember who we're fighting.
All right, um... So David Morris. And... 50, I proved you wrong.
Wow. And that's all I got for today. I thought I had more, but, um... The other ones...
One was, like you said, the Hulk Hogan short clip, and then Burger King says... " We have no mics, we're working on wireless mics, we got some upgraded stuff, equipment, thank you, and we have replaced Phil with the upgraded equipment today. Yeah, there's nobody switching. There's no one switching.
So it's going to be a little odd. It's going to be perfect. It's going to be the greatest switching ever, ever. I don't have it as part of the news, but there is a burger war going on.
Really? Yes. Between the arch and the... Between the Arch and the King.
So did you see the video where the president of McDonald's tasted the arch? Yeah, he half-assed, took a bite. Took a tiny little bite? Yeah.
Okay, well the king went and did, the president of the king went and did a video and he just bit the shit out of the thing in a whole big bite. Got it. Now they're saying there's conspiracy theories because the owner of McDonald's keeps calling it product, doesn't call it burger. Right.
Like maybe there's no burger in it. Interesting. And then not to be outdone, the owner of Wendy's came in and he bit half of his in one bite. Oh, nice.
Yes. You know, it's funny what trends and what goes viral, so. Right, yeah. I like it, I like they're all fighting.
Hey, yeah, and if the arch is available, I'm down with trying that thing. Well, I told you, it's out. Yeah. It's out.
I had Burger King last night in the car, but they didn't have the new water. After you had yourself a cry? No, no, the last stop was a good stop. Yeah?
Okay. That's why I put them for last. Well, they were second to last, but I put them at the end. To make your day?
Jacksonville is huge. Right. I didn't really tell, I was almost in Georgia. I think it's like the largest city.
In Florida? S. S. Like, as far as size, or it's up there, it's like top three or something.
Every time I looked, it was an hour to get to the next shop. Yeah. I'm like, this is ridiculous. Jacksonville is gigantic.
Gigantic. Yeah. All right. Down with the news.
More than 650,000 plastic bottles of water are being recalled. Okay. Now you can't even drink water. Why not?
How could they ruin water? I don't know. I'm sitting like this today. I feel so free with my lights.
According to Food and Drug Administration, Wisconsin-based Valley Springs Artesian Gold is recalling six of its products after they were bottled under insanitary conditions. Okay. What is that? Nobody didn't wash their hands?
Somebody was dirty, yeah. It's terrible. Now you get no water. So what's the bottled water company?
Wisconsin-based Valley Springs Artesian Gold. I don't think we have that down here. I don't think we have that either, but Romatron probably has that. Oh, he might have it.
Yeah. You think he's drinking? Romatron, don't drink the insanitary water. Anything else about that?
How it happened? According to the FDA enforcement report, the recall of 651,148 bottles of water was initiated on February 6th. No, they don't explain how it happened, just in sanitary conditions. That's a ton of water.
I know, that's over half a million bottles. Yeah. Would you drink the water? Probably.
If you had the Valley Springs water, you got the notification, would you just drink the water anyways and say whatever? Probably. Yeah? I mean, other than us, we talked about this before, other than us mentioning it on the show, And if you mention it on the show, we wouldn't hear about it.
Right. But you know about it now. Well, I mean, I see now I'm in the circle of trust with FDA, apparently. I get all these notifications when anytime anything is recalled.
Right. And this isn't going to kill you, it's not a level one, which is weird because now we know the levels. Right. So, yes, what is it going to, give me diarrhea?
I have diarrhea most of the time anyway. How would I even know? I'm into these fig bars. Okay.
Well, apparently, if you eat too many fig bars, it gives you diarrhea. Mmm. But they're delicious, they come two in a pack, and they're low calorie, you know, low sugar, no added sugar and everything. They're really good, but when I went out last week, I ate six in a day, and then I shit for two days.
Holy moly, dude. Well, that's all he took is a snack. I take snacks during the day. I don't stop and eat during the day.
Okay, that's smart. Yeah. I take snacks and drinks, and then if I'm really hungry, last night I had a headache at 8 o'clock, So I drove through and got chicken nuggets at Burger King. - The life of a road warrior right there, buddy.
- Right. - So why don't you bring like beef jerky or, you know? - I don't like beef jerky, it always gets stuck in my teeth. - You're a teeth guy.
- Yeah, yeah, I'm a teeth guy, I don't like that. Well, like yesterday I took chicken, what else did I have? I had one pack of the fig bars left, granola, or what's the kind bars, And there was one other thing. Oh, and some watermelon.
- Some watermelon? So you didn't have the watermelon or the... - I ate everything. - Oh.
- As the day, you know, but I eat breakfast at 4 o'clock in the morning. By 11, I'm starving. - Right. - So...
- Okay, so water's a problem. - Water's a problem up there, don't eat it. - But not big, don't eat it? - I don't drink it.
- But don't, uh, but if you had it, you'd drink it anyways. - I wonder if the bottles are just dirty? Like, they forgot to wash the bottles? - Yeah, like, what's the level?
Like, how bad could this be? Right. I mean, they didn't wipe the end of the hose off before they started squirting into models? Yeah, I don't know.
Could be. Didn't clean the tanks? Yeah. That's just weird that it left it so vague.
Yeah. I mean, there's no, like, E. coli, Listeria, like everybody else gets on their food. Right.
They would tell you. Yeah, they have to tell you. Freedom of Information Act. All right, now for Middle Eastern listeners, the Hamad International Airport closed flights temporarily on Wednesday.
Really? So if you're over in that part of the world and you had a flight planned out of the Hamad International Airport, I'm very sorry, the operations remain temporarily suspended, in line with the closure of the Qatar airspace by the Qatar Civil Aviation. Oh, Qatar is closed? Yes.
Well, the airspace. Well, that's interesting, because why would they close their airspace? Are they that close? Yeah.
Well, you never know where they're going to shoot a missile at now. You think they shot... Maybe they shot... They're just shooting them everywhere at this point.
You think they could've shot down a commercial plane? Oh, I'm sure they'd love to. I think that's happened in the past. I have no drink at all.
Accidentally. Oh, that makes me happy that you don't have one. Because you sit there and suck down your water. Yes.
So, what I heard yesterday on the radio for our war update is apparently we have wiped out They had their navy. They wiped out their air force. The one boat, the one plane? No, no, they had more.
I think they had five boats. And a submarine took that out, too. I think Pakistan took out the submarine. Yeah?
So anyway, yeah, there's no navy, there's no air force anymore over there. Apparently Israel, if you've seen the video, Israel has lasers that shoot missiles out of the sky. Really? Have you seen the video?
The video was amazing. That's their air defense system? Right, so they show this, it's dark, they show this missile coming over, and then this thing comes up, and it charges, and then foof, shoots its laser beam, hits the rocket, blows up. Are you sure it's real?
It's not AI? It was a news thing. Yeah, I know. It's hard to tell anymore.
Are you okay with the nose, man? You've been hitting the nose with my mustache a lot. My mustache is twisted, and it's tickling my nose. All right, well, I mean, get it together.
Your wife will call in a minute, I'll have time. I'm very relaxed over here. I feel nice, there's no mic in my face. I miss the microphones.
I don't miss it at all. I feel it's not giddy-ness when we talk. It's definitely picking this up. Are you kidding me?
Yeah, but, oh, there's a delay, too. Okay, we're okay. There's a five-second delay. Because it switches after you start talking.
Right. So I was afraid it was missing the beginning of the talking. No. All right.
So don't go to the airport until further notice. Come here for all your travel safety news. That's all your travel safety news. Yeah.
Authorities said support information has been compiled for travelers currently stranded in Doha. Airport teams are continuing to respond to inquiries, so just come back tomorrow, we'll give you another update. Yeah, I mean, that's gotta suck if you're there, if you're there on vacation and you're stuck. Right.
There's cruise ships apparently stuck over there. Really? Oh, war. Because they've closed the Strait of Hormuth, I think is what it's called, and that's the way the boats have to go to get out.
Oh, yeah. I saw that one of their naval ships was in international waters, and they thought they were safe because they were in international waters, and then we blew it up. Oh yeah, I saw that too. Yeah.
Yeah. Hey, you know what man, as long as we can keep a minimal number of boots on the ground, just a presence, but not, I don't want to see it all out. I don't think anybody wants to see that. No, nobody wants to see it all out.
Well, we are fighting narco-terrorists in some other country right now too. Are we? Mexico? I think it was Ecuador.
I think it was Ecuador. Really? Don't quote me on that. I'm not sure if it's Ecuador.
We're going to quote you on it anyways, and we're going to tell you. I read a brief article that, yeah, we were fighting narco-terrorists with somebody. Did you get it from South Dakota News? No, but I did go to South Dakota News yesterday.
Alright, more old people are in the news. A lot of old people stuff going on. More sex? Nope, three former assisted living employees in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, were arrested after investigators say they organized and filmed fights between elderly residents living with dementia.
Oh. Old People Fight Club. Wow. The guy's got dementia and they go, "You know what?
You don't like that guy over there. " I don't even think you have to do that. No, that's what they're doing. Oh, really?
Yeah. They have to instigate it somehow. Do they? Yeah.
And then they film it in bed. Wow. I would be so mad if that was my old person. Yeah, you go to visit your dad and all of a sudden his face is black and blue.
How did that happen, dad? And they go, he fell down. You know what's crazy is this is a serious issue. Like it's, I mean, we can make light of this joke, of this thing, but, you know, there's a lot of...
Elder abuse. I constantly hear about this over and over again of all of these things, these terrible things that are happening to our old people. Elderly. We do a terrible job of this.
We do. According to the police, the residents, many in their seventies and experiencing significant memory impairment, were allegedly encouraged to hit one another while staff recorded the incident instead of intervening. World Star. In one case, a resident could be heard calling for help while being struck.
Authorities began investigating, receiving a tip in June. The employees were fired and later charged with assault on an individual with disabilities. That was going to be my question, like what are the legal ramifications of that, if you're a person that is interacting or like causing that, right? Oh, it's my laptop.
Yeah. That's okay. Like how much trouble can you get in? It's got to be, maybe those punishments need to be more serious.
I don't know what the punishment is for assault on individuals with disabilities. It's not listed. Whatever it is, I don't think it's enough. No, it's not enough.
They gotta be something. Maybe they can just get them for assault specifically. Well, I guess maybe it's probably worse for someone with a disability. Right.
If they add the person, some description of the person, it's probably worse, I would think. Okay. All right, you know who Misty Roberts is? Well, we're going, we're just burning through this stuff today.
It's all right, who's Misty Roberts? Tell me. You don't, you haven't heard of Misty Roberts? No idea.
She is the ex-mayor of a town in Louisiana. Why would I know that? It's all over the news. It's been in the news for four days.
You're my news guy. Have you covered Misty Roberts? No. But how would I know?
I heard it yesterday on two different shows and quite in detail. Yeah. So she's guilty of having sex with a teen. A mayor.
Mayor, female mayor, Misty Roberts. Yeah. An attractive middle, I think she's 42, middle-aged blonde woman. Okay.
Had a party for her kids at her house. Ah. What kind of alcohol would you kids like? She's a cool mom.
Right. Oh, she's a cool mom and she's the mayor. She's a cool mom. So, kids show up, she's having a party, she goes to hang out with the kids, she's got her little bikini on.
Her son's friend comes over, Misty is a little drunk. she is a little drunk. Okay. She fancies this 16-year-old boy.
Okay. So he starts drinking fast to catch up. They're making out in the pool. There's some pictures.
Okay. He goes, we should go upstairs. He's at it. Yes.
Okay. But he's drunk. Okay. She goes, great idea.
They go upstairs. They have sex. A couple of kids videotaped through the window. There's, they're obscured a little bit Because of the furniture and whatever, and then this kid confesses to his girlfriend and tells her and she dumps him.
Okay. Then she gets back with her ex-boyfriend. Okay, so this is a timeline. Yeah, well this is what came out yesterday they went to court.
So then the boyfriend convinces, gets back with the old girlfriend, uses this information to get the old girlfriend back. Okay. And then the son finds out. Misty son.
How does the son not know? Wasn't he at the party? And he was upset at the party? Yes, and he was upset with his mother's behavior, but I don't think he knew about the sex.
Okay. Maybe he was drunk too. Who knows? Probably.
Probably so. Let's assume. So he gets mad at his mother. She says, "It's not my fault.
" Okay. He's the one who did it. Right. So then the kid's parents find out.
Okay. Misty gets arrested. Misty goes to jail. So she was, let's see.
Let's see, a jury has found Misty Roberts guilty of having sex with a minor and let's see, what else, she had sex with a 16 year old boy at a party at her home, she was found guilty and charged today of carnal knowledge of a juvenile and indecent behavior with a juvenile. Okay. Both are felonies. Oh no.
The first one has a sentence of up to 10 years. Okay. The second sentence, the second charge has a sentence of seven years. So she could go to jail for 17 years.
Okay. And obviously she's no longer the mayor. She's no longer what? No longer the mayor.
She lost that. She lost that. Okay, so if the roles were flipped, if it was a dude doing it to a 16-year-old girl. I think it would be a lot worse.
It would be terrible. It would be terrible. Right? Right.
Like they would not, not okay. Yeah, now I don't know the laws in Louisiana, but there's no mention of statutory rape, which is usually what comes with this. I'm sure it's a thing if she's getting charged. Well, maybe that's the carnal knowledge of a juvenile.
Right. I mean, maybe that's just a fancy word for statutory rape. That's a fancy word. Because carnal knowledge means she had sex with a juvenile.
I don't know why they don't just, you know, call it that. Right. Was he a strapping young man? He was a lot taller than her.
Yeah. She's a very chesty woman. She's a very chesty woman? Very chesty woman.
I'm sure this kid was, you know, she didn't have to ask twice. - Well, apparently he asked her, so. - Right, so how did he use that to get back with his girl? - No, no, he lost the girlfriend.
- Right. - But the old boyfriend found out and told the girlfriend. - Ah. - He's like, "Hey, I know we're not dating anymore, but--" - Oh, what a weak move.
- Bobby's banging Timmy's mom. - The one time? - Yeah, apparently. - Do you think he went back for seconds?
- Oh, I left the best part out. - Oh, okay. - There is DoorDash receipt. - Yeah.
He ordered one of those day after pills because apparently he left it in the garage. Well, he's 16. Right. Sure.
You know, that's what happens when you play without a goalie. Right. You know? So that came out in court too because DoorDash supplied the receipt.
They had the driver. So why was that in court? To kind of debate and say this confirms that it happened or something like that? I guess, yeah.
Because, I mean, why else would she take it if they didn't have sex? Was Misty married? There was no mention of a Mr. Misty, so I'm guessing, no?
There was no mention, because Mr. Misty... Would be very upset. I...
Yeah. That would not be okay. It's a big pool. It's a big pool?
It was a picture of the pool. It was a nice, big house. Well, she was the mayor. Right.
Well, now she's a... How do you... How does... What part?
What do you want to ask? I don't understand how... I mean, no matter how drunk I am, I am not taking a 16-year-old girl upstairs in my house. Okay, that's different.
Guy to a little girl, I mean, that's way worse. That's way worse. I know it's way worse. No, a 16-year-old boy, this is a badge of honor.
Well, I'm not saying if I was a 16-year-old boy, I would bang the mayor. Right. I mean, that's fine. You know, and I don't know if my, if I found out my son...
Right. banged the mayor, it might be... All right. Yeah, I don't know why your mother's so upset.
Yeah, it's not that, I mean... I've seen the mayor, she's hot. You're not 12. Right.
Yeah. You know, in two years, if she would've waited two years, it'd have been okay. Could've hanged tight. Right.
Misty's not waiting. She's not waiting. Apparently she's very promiscuous with the 16-year-old boys. Hmm.
I mean, like at what point do, you know, like even from the other, like this, this son. Right. Like, hey, we're all gonna get shit-faced at our house. Like, okay, you think, you think, like you kind of have the idea of what your mom is, right?
Like, what, like what she's, how she looks and what she's capable of. Yeah, everybody, everybody's gotta, you know, go, dude, your mom's hot. Right. If everybody's saying that, like.
Well, maybe the plan wasn't for her to be hanging out, I mean, hanging out in her pink bikini sitting on the edge of the pool with all the boys around her. But you got to play this out in your head. Like, you got to work some of these things out. This is the problem that we're doing, you know, like, we're not teaching our kids.
Out of plan. Like, you got to play, you got to play life three moves ahead. Like, you always got to be, you know what I mean? Right.
In every aspect. Like, okay, if I do this, what are the, what could happen? right oh mom's a bit handsy right yeah it's probably a bad idea you know she bought that new bikini son of a bitch right like you have there's no way that this this kid did not see that come now look i'm not i mean one apparently they were making out in the pool so i mean don't you go up and tap your buddy and go look stop kissing my mom like shut this down right mom you gotta go inside this is not okay right like you're done you're done go upstairs right something i mean I don't know you have to stop it before it happens right unless the mom's a little handsy mom's a little handsy unless the 16 year old is probably like he's the the guy like he's the top one in the group right and the his son her son is not right oh I got you right like he's like dude your mom's hot mom's hot I'm gonna bang your mom you know right um and then at that point I'm like you're not coming over like you know you're right yeah no do you see what I'm saying right you're out so like no you can't come hang out no I don't know I don't I'm not doing this right right like I'm not risking it I think that they're like I think that it's important I know that like this is wild and no we do not condone this behavior no but I think that it's important that you teach kids to understand actions and consequences and kind of move think about the next two or three moves as to when you do something what's going to be the result right hey let's all go hang out and I'm going to get drunk because my mom's going to get his booze and hang out with us. Like, probably not a good idea.
No. Right? Hmm. There's been a lot of this in the news lately.
Yeah. Females banging kids at school. Yeah. Well, this isn't at school.
No, no. This isn't the mayor. But, I mean, teenagers. But it's the same scenario.
Like, if a 16-year-old boy bangs the teacher, like, everybody brags about that. Right. That's how you get caught. Right.
The thing is, don't tell nobody. Well, you have to, I mean, why aren't you going to bang, why aren't you banging the teacher, you're not going to tell somebody? The whole point is for you to, you know, it's a clout thing, like, you got her, you know? You know, Mrs.
Smith? Guess what I did. Right? That's totally a thing.
Right. I mean, it's not like, you know, I'm just going to tell my boys. No, because then one of them is going to tell somebody. And that's how you get caught.
Right. It's doomed all the way around, right? Sure. The adult, the woman adult, because I'm not going to say male adult, it's totally unacceptable.
Totally different, totally different thing. The woman adult needs to think that through as well. Like, what's going to happen here? I sleep with this kid, this kid's going to tell everybody.
He's not going to keep it to himself. " Right. She's out of her mind. Even with alcohol.
That's what I mean. People just don't... I don't know. It's wild.
Well the next story. Okay. Physical education teacher. Oh god, you got another one?
There was another one, that's what I mean, they're all over the nose. Oh my god. Got disturbingly hands-on, a married, she was married, a married high school physical education teacher, has been charged with sexually assaulting a student whom she admits sexting and kissing, but denies ever getting fully physical with him. Okay, so she was testing the limits.
Right, she seemed, right, I mean it probably would have eventually happened. Right. But hey, so - Same scenario here, like, I'm going to send a picture. - Right, yeah, she's 39, she was an attractive woman also.
- Okay. - Unfortunately, I guess. She started sending flirty messages to a boy when he was in her sophomore class at Ponganeset High School in Gloucester, Rhode Island. - Alright, so probably also 16 or 17.
- Oh my word, after she found his number online. She went looking. - She stalked him. - She stalked him.
- That's some next level stuff right there. She's crazy. - She's crazy. - And this one's a teacher?
- This is a PE teacher. And apparently she grabbed his face and gave him a big kiss, and that is what she got in trouble for. That's how she got caught. Yeah, I mean, keep your hands to yourself.
Well, I mean, she was sexting it. She couldn't help it. She couldn't help it. But even that, I mean, you know, you're gonna go, "Mrs.
" Right. You're not gonna believe this. Not gonna believe this. There's evidence!
Right. Here's a nipple. There's a nipple. She has nipples.
She has nipples. Look, she bent it on picking up a volleyball. Dude, what is going on, man? Four stories this week about teachers and boys.
Why do you think that is? Why do you think that the articles, the news articles are covering, because you've got to know there's ones that are the other way around. There's got to be a dude in there somewhere. Way more disturbing.
Right. Right. I don't know, maybe like you said, maybe this is more socially acceptable. Maybe we're supposed to be more outraged.
There isn't a big uproar about it. - Yeah. - Because I'm gonna tell you right now, if you touch a girl, like, pfft, dude, tarred and feathered, let's go. - Right.
- You know, in the town square. - In the town square. - Right, I'm talking old school, I'm talking Salem witchcraft, let's go. - Salem witch hunts.
- That too. - Yeah. - Yeah, well witchcraft is what was-- - What gets the hunts. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Or trials, Salem witch trials, that's what it was, alright. - Oh, poor boots, I don't have boots to save me today. I'm on my own. You're saying the stupid stuff.
David Morse, do not engage on any of the bad things that I say. The only highlight on Palmer. List of times. Only highlight on Palmer today.
He's sitting there with a stopwatch. I love it, dude. That guy is dialed in. So impressive.
Alright, you got a video? I do not. There wasn't a video on yesterday's show, was there? No.
I was thinking about covering a video today, but I did not get it. I'm kinda entertained, so my boy Nick's at Cigar Den, he's been doing these videos where he'll talk, and then it'll flip over to him moving somewhere else, and it'll flip over to him moving somewhere else, and it was, like the first one he did was hilarious, because it was a snow day, and they were closed, tomorrow we won't be open, there's a blizzard, and he's jumping, jumping, jumping, jumping, jumping, jumping. There's a word for that, it keeps the audience intrigued. Yeah, so it was pretty good, but now I feel like it's become a little redundant.
And I'm like, alright man, let's go mix it up, you gotta mix it up. Well, you know, you find a new thing and it's easy to edit and you're like, I'll do four or five of these. This is fun, yeah. Right.
So... Well, we got cigar news, but I want to talk about something else. I don't even remember, uh-oh. My nose is itchy.
I know, it's bothering me. It is bothering me too. Alright, do you know who Tom Segura is? Yeah.
The comedian. Yeah, he works with... He's hilarious. Bert Kreiser.
Right. Yeah. He does like five different podcasts. Does he?
He does one by himself. Right. He does one with Burt. Okay.
He does another one with Burt. Uh-huh. Well, wait. He does his, and then he does, then him and Burt do one together, then I think he's on one that Burt does, and then I think Burt is on one that he does, and then he does one with his wife.
Okay. They're all terrible. Are they? They're all terrible.
What do you mean? Well, I was watching his shorts the day before yesterday, so last night, and you know, I listen to real radio during the day, but at night, I don't know. I love it during the day, but at night, I don't like the content on it at night, so when it gets after five, I think it is, or not five, six, I'm looking for other stuff to listen to. Okay.
I don't like the nighttime stuff. So I thought, oh, Tom Segura's got a podcast, I'll listen to that. So the one with his wife is called In My Mother's House. Okay.
They basically just sit there and chat about their day, sort of, and then they like to watch videos, and they don't really talk about the videos. Okay. They just sort of talk between themselves. Right.
It's terrible. That's not for you. I mean, they have commercials on them, so I mean, somebody's paying, but he is Tom Segura, so I mean, he's got some name recognition. Yeah, but there's probably a world of people that want to peer into that, you know.
Oh, it was terrible. And even the one with Kreicher, they were talking about fast food. Yeah. Who had the best?
French fries. I mean, we talk about fast food. Who has an entire show though? No, how long is the show?
Who has the best friend? I don't know, I couldn't get past 15 minutes. Oh really? Right.
These things are important, man, we gotta know, what is the best fast food? I don't think so. Donald's. And then they get on these tangents about, okay, they're not fast food anymore, like, hey, have you ever been to Outback?
Oh, I love Outback, they're bloomin' on it? Oh yeah. I think that's good. It's terrible, terrible content.
Okay, sorry you feel that way. They were terrible. Sorry, Tom, if you're a big fan of our show, I apologize. Well, Bert did a picture with Wild Bill about Rocky Patel.
I saw that. The funny part is that I don't think that he smokes Rocky Patel from the interaction that happened up here. Right, no, I don't think so either. But they gave him a free box of cigars.
" And the cigar guys have got a picture of him on the beach holding their box. Oh, really? Months ago, months ago. Ran into him somewhere.
Yeah. So, I mean, if we would have gave him a box, Greg would have gave him a box of cigars. Would you want that? A box of cigars?
Would you want a picture of Bert taking a picture, holding the Postana cigars? I don't know, why not? I don't know if I'd want that. Why not?
He put, did he put the picture on his Instagram or was he on their Instagram? It just doesn't feel authentic to me. Oh, he does that same face. Yeah, I don't know, but like, it just feels Addy, it doesn't feel real to me.
Right? Now, if Bert's like, man, I love your cigars, these are great, that'd be a totally different scenario, but cool, man, you know, it's like, hey, let's take a picture with him, and I'm like, okay, but, you know, to shove a box in front of a person and say, hey, take a photo with this, yeah, I'm not about that, I don't think that that's- I mean, if you want one, I can make one. I know, and that's the other thing, like, dude, we can have everybody, we can have the Ayatollah, who, right before he blew up, holding a, you know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Oh, did you see, two days ago, it was me sitting at a big conference table with all the ayatollahs, and I'm pushing a box of beepers across the table to the... Oh, on the title? Yeah. The thumbnail?
On the thumbnail. My mic popped off here. Uh-oh. And then yesterday was Richie pumping gas into his car, and it was gas prices whiplash again or something like that.
With a bolt of lightning or something? No, no bolt of lightning. There's an audio thing. Oh, God.
I'm just going to let it hang. Are we off now? It's going to let it hang. It is what it is.
Where is it? It's there. Don't worry. Your pants?
Don't you worry. No, it's right here. Oh. All right, down on Cigar News.
So, no, I mean, I don't think that I would want a guy... Like, I just... The only guy that I would want supporting the brand... Right.
would be a guy who loves the brand. Likes the brand? Yeah. Some kind of, like, consumers already see it, like, oh, this is bullshit, right?
Like, this is not legit. Well, you don't think somebody looks at it and goes, ooh, Bert Kreischer likes it? Maybe, but I don't know. Somebody would.
Still, for me, it just doesn't feel right, you know? If Bert loved the cigars, hey, man, these are great, I'm a fan, dude, like, awesome. For one, I'd probably send him a box, hey, thanks for your support, appreciate it, whatever, you know? Just like Rogan with Malone.
Foundation. Yeah, like he legit likes those cigars. Right. That's perfect, right?
Like one of the craziest things for me was when we kind of got going, there was a running back, his name is Michael Turner, Turner the Burner. And he came up to me at PCA when we were just getting going. " And like, you know, say, hey, let's take a picture together or something like that. And I'm like, oh, this is fantastic.
Because you knew that that guy was, he was all about it. He, you know, he was, he loves cigars. He loved our cigars. So that made me feel good, right?
But the other way around, no, I wouldn't dig that at all. Hey, I need you to take a picture with us. It's just tacky. " Yeah.
I'm a member, they've got a private lounge, I'm a member down at the boardroom. Casual flex for you. Right. " Yeah.
" Because he lives in Fort Lauderdale, he was up there visiting. Oh, he doesn't know? No. Well, I have problems finding it every time I go, but it's the Valuetainment building, cross the street from the big church.
Dude, you should have put them in touch with Daniel right down there. Oh, I wouldn't even think of that, I was busy flexing. I see that, but that bigger flex there is like, let me have you speak to my name. I don't know if I have Daniel's number.
Let me give you my guy. I could have got it though. Yeah. It's alright, you'll do better next time.
Right. Okay. Alright, Cigar News. Cigar News.
New cigars coming out. Fratello USA has announced their 250 cigars debuting at the PCA. Another quincident, ten notable. In honor of America.
Right. Here we go. We get another new cigar that will celebrate the 250th anniversary of founding of America at next month's 2026 PCA convention and trade show. He did not list the dates again.
He did in one of your other articles. Oh, did he? April... Maybe it's at the end.
He says the 18th through the 21st, but it's the 17th through the 20th. Oh, really? Yes. Fratella USA 250 will show off.
It's a 6x54 Toro that uses a Nicaraguan wrapper over a Pennsylvania binder and fillers from the Dominican Republic and Pennsylvania, exotic Pennsylvania. Ooh, earthy tones. The cigar is being rolled at Fabrica de Tobacco's Hoya de Nicaragua. Okay.
What do you think this cigar is going to cost? Hoya? Yes, $250 cigar. Mmm, $16.
They've made $250, hold on, they made $250 boxes of 13 cigars, they did it right. Thirteen colonies, thing of the date. Ah, $25. $20.
Okay. Nice. Uh, Omar had a, some long-winded, uh, thing. He's been doing a lot of videos lately, have you seen those?
Yeah, you know what, what's funny too, is like, he's in a lot of, he's in more spots than you'd realize. I saw his stuff at ABC. Yeah. So.
Is he considered a boutique brand? He's 100% a boutique. Oh, then Waterwheel carries one boutique brand. Oh, no, no.
That was at Ash Street. Never mind. I went to so many shops. It's hard to get confused.
So how did it go, like Waterwheel? You went to Waterwheel Jacksonville? " And I go, oh, no, I'm with Posada and your cigars. And then he immediately tells me that he's leaving in three days, or the 26th.
He's not going to be the manager anymore. I'm like, okay. And he goes, you just missed the guy that's going to be taking over. I go, oh, sorry.
Okay. I go, well, can I leave a price list on my card and a couple samples? And he goes, sure, I'll give them to him. He immediately swipes one up and starts to light it up right there.
Of course. That's what I would do. Right. I go, can I go look in your humidor?
And he goes, certainly. " And you said that to him? " He goes, "They don't really sell here. " Right, there are plenty of boutique shops.
Plenty of boutique shops in Jacksonville. So then he tells me again that he's leaving. Right. Wants to make sure that I know he's leaving.
I'm going. I'm going. " Okay. " He tells me the manager's name.
" And he goes, "Oh, no, he knows what he's doing. I've been training him. He'll be fine. " Alright.
Well, it doesn't sound like a-- In and out in 10 minutes. Doesn't sound like it's going to be very fruitful? No, that one probably not. No.
But Ashtoree went well. He actually just texted me again this morning, thanking me for coming by. Yeah. That one's probably going to be good.
Okay. Then four boxes at Tobacco Cove. They're doing well with their stuff. They want to switch the Connecticut for the Habano.
Connecticut's not doing well. But they're going to sell. Habano's not doing well? No, no.
The Connecticut's not doing well. Really? Yeah. That's kind of surprising.
Yeah, it is. I thought so too. But then they told me, no, we're going to sell through on that, and then we're going to bring your Urbano in that we tried last time you were here. I was like, oh, okay, that's what you want.
I've been smoking a lot of the Urbano lately, too. I did yesterday. The Toro. Smoking it now.
Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Gotcha. Right here.
Right here. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me.
Oh, yes. There you go. Oh, the trade show, which takes place 18th to the 20th in New Orleans. There you go, you got it right.
No, it's 17th to the 20th. Maybe the 17th is the day we can show up and set up, maybe the actual show. Right. So that's only two days, is the show just two days?
18, 19, 20? Oh. That's three, last time I checked. I got you.
Okay. Alright, two new Long Live the Queens are coming soon. From Caldwell? Yes.
Mm-hmm. There are two all new versions of Caldwell's Long Live the Queen line heading to stores as part Part of Caldwell's Crafted & Curated Series, which is aimed at releasing limited editions, there will be two new Long Live the Queens, both offered in a loan 6x60 Gordo Vitola. Okay. Interestingly, the blends are new and not the same as the originals, they are new.
Right, but he liked the name, so he just stuck with it. Right. So, both the Long Live the Queen Forbidden Fruit, Clairo, and Oscuro, uses the Mexican San Andreas wrapper, although the one is classified as Rosado. Okay, so it's a lighter, almost like a reddish, yeah.
Yeah, the Rosado Rose. Right. Well, you're so smart. The Clairo uses an internal blend entirely of Dominican tobaccos, while the Oscuro uses a Sumatra binder and fillers from Dominican Republic and Nicaragua.
- Okay. - All right, the Long Live the Queen, Forbidden, oh, we don't need the sizes. Oh, there's only, nope. - Well, you already said there, a 6x60.
- 6x60. - What's the retail on those? 50. - Woo!
50. - Productions limited, 400 boxes of each. Cigars are made at Tabacalera, Mina Del Rey. - See, that's always weird to me, 'cause like, normally you're Gordo Cigar Guy, and I could be wrong here, And I could be wrong here, but I think, I like to think, that I know a couple things about retail, when it comes to 660, when it comes to that bigger gauge, more people look for value as far as price point than they do flavor profile and it being, you know, higher priced.
- Right. - So, like, 1650, is that a price point that is good for a 660? Maybe it is at this point in this market, but I would tend to believe that it's probably something like a 12, Maybe 13, as you're really kind of pushing that limit for a 6x60. So how does a 660 become cheaper than a Toro?
Well, it depends upon the tobacco. It depends upon, I mean, a lot of those things. I mean, realistically, do you think that there's a big difference in the cost of making a 5x50 Robusto or a 6x60 Gordo? I would think.
- Material-wise, no. - There's not more tobacco? - There is, but material-wise, like, the cost is pennies. - Oh.
- It's not, it's not a significant difference. - Gotcha. - I mean, maybe labor might take a little bit longer, but still, you know, your cost isn't that much more. - Is the rolling times gotta be longer 'cause it's a bigger cigar?
- Yeah, but again, you're rolling in a third world country, it's not like it's, oh. - No, no, I, yeah, I was just curious, It's my own information. So, you know, that's why you usually see, when you usually see the 660s that are successful, usually they're more value-based. 8 to 12 range, something like that.
Hmm, interesting. Alright, Oregon. Oregon. Oregon.
Oregon. Oregon. Home of Buck Knight. Anyway, we did a story a couple of weeks ago, how they were outlining online sales.
Yeah. Right. Right. They decided that was stupid.
Apparently, we look at paper, we think this is very dumb, and we remove. We remove. Last month, the bill was introduced in the Oregon legislature that would have banned internet sales of cigars and pipe tobacco to consumers in the state. However, upon further introspection, the bill's introduction, the bill's primary sponsor included an amendment that would stripe the proposed legislation of language surrounding cigars.
Oh, so they're going to remove cigars? They're going to remove cigars. So apparently you just can't buy online vapes. Yeah, I mean, it's a question of what they're really trying to do with this legislation.
Are you trying to regulate vapes? Are vapes still this problem? Then why are you lumping cigars into it? And I think that's something that this industry has been really pushing for is, look, we are not the same.
We're two totally different things, you know? I think it's what these people did, they just, everything that was smokable were gonna just... Right, tobacco, shoom, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, these are cigars, these are fine.
Let's pump the brakes, you know? My kid's not gonna be able to bring a cigar in, buy a cigar illegally, sneak it into high school, and then smoke it in the bathroom, and it'd be undetected. That's just not, nor does the kid have the desire to do that, right? So, like, if this isn't a problem, why are we over-regulating it?
It makes no sense. No, no, no. Has Jack ever asked to try a cigar? He's your oldest.
Of course. Right? Of course. Well, but, okay, so this is a little bit of a different scenario, right?
It's like, Dad is, Dad's the guy. Right. Dad's the cigar guy. Sure.
Right? Dad smokes all the time, right? And Dad takes care of himself. It's not like...
- Not like you're sickly or something. - Right, it's not like I'm unfit, it's not like I'm morbidly obese, you know? If Jax wants to race, we can race, you know? - Right.
- Like, no problem. So, you know-- - Isn't that how you blew out your calf last time? - I popped both calves, yes, being-- - Yeah, when you're on the little scoot around? - But like, at that point I was going all out, all out.
So yeah, I'm getting older, you know? - Trust me, I understand that. But I think that some of those things are more avoidable if I would do something like stretch or, you know, like, we'll race, give me about, you know. - Yeah, give dad a few minutes here, I gotta loosen up.
- I need about five minutes to get ready and then I wouldn't have a problem. But no, for me, I'm just running routes extremely hard and making cuts and all this other stuff. Like, okay, it's probably not in the best interest of my body, but I'll still do it. And then I would do it even after I pop my calf.
So yeah, so has Jax asked? Right, but is the answer no? Yeah, the answer's no. Like not happening.
- Not even just a puff? - No. Nah, that's not, that's not in, that's not in the conversation at this age bracket. - Right.
- You know, he's got a better chance of banging his female phys ed teacher than he does smoking a cigar with me right now. - Oh, wow. - Right now. Or teacher for whatever that will, you know.
- I do think there's an age line where I wouldn't be high-fiving my son if I find out he banged the teacher. - Of course. - Yeah. - Yeah.
What's that line? - I'm thinking. - Go ahead. - 15?
- You think 15 is 15 and below? - No, no, 15 and higher. - 15 and higher is acceptable. - Well, not acceptable, but less offensive to me personally.
Less offensive to you personally at 15? Yes. Okay. I'm at 16.
I think 16 is fine. Where I'm like, oh my goodness. Where you gotta look at everybody like, oh man, that's terrible. Yeah.
Right, wink, wink. Like, wow, dude. Okay, now listen. But now, at that point, you gotta have serious conversations about everything else.
Well, yeah, sure. I mean, I'm not encouraging him at 15, you know, your teacher's hot. Go out and wax the whole school. Yeah, I had that parent-teacher conference.
But, you know, there is a time when, like, you've got to have a conversation with a kid and say, listen, are you doing the right things? Are you protecting yourself, you know? And every kid is different. Like, Jax, you know, I'm fortunate enough where he's still very much a kid, and I'm holding on to those moments as long as I can.
You have to. Right? So, you know. They go fast.
Yeah. So, you know, from a dad's perspective, I'm not encouraging any of that. Right? Sure.
I'm encouraging, you know, I'm encouraging, let's play sports, let's keep active, let's hang out with our friends, let me know when friends aren't making the right decisions so that I can help you navigate through it, right? Those are the important parts of the conversation, but no, at the end of the day, yeah, I feel like 16. " You know? Why did it just cut to me and I wasn't even talking?
I think it's fine. It's gonna be great. When you talk, my microphone goes off, and when I talk, your microphone goes off. There's a slight delay before it switches, I think, at times.
No, I just meant the, I mean, when I talk, yours still picks me up a little bit. Yeah, of course. We're in the same room, buddy. I'm so nervous about what this is gonna be.
It's gonna be, look, jump off the cliff, build a plane on the way down. Yeah, I understand, yeah, I know. We're building a plane on the way down. And I got news for you.
I got news for you. We're one of the top podcasts in the cigar industry, we give out more content than anybody does, by a long shot, so, you know, if this one was a little rocky just because we wanted to push the envelope a little bit more and get a little bit better, I'm okay with that, right? Alright. But if you go to Hawaii and Utah, you still can't buy cigars online.
No. Hawaii still shut it down? Hawaii and Utah remain the only two states that ban online cigar sales to consumers in their states. That's insane.
Though there's proposed legislation in both states that would reverse that law. Oh, really? Yes. So, in Oregon, just waiting on the governor to sign it.
" So they're working on just removing the legislation of any type of regulation for online sales? For Oregon. Oh, but Utah and Hawaii aren't working on that yet. Hawaii has legislation, but they haven't decided yet.
Utah has come up a couple of times, but I haven't heard anything from Utah. We're waiting on Charlie to give us that news. I'm waiting on Charlie, I'm waiting on Charlie. Come on, Apfel.
Let us know if anything changes. Oh, it's a female governor. Oh, I wonder if she's banging everybody. I wonder how old she is.
And if she's throwing house parties. She's throwing a pool party at her house. Yeah. " That's a terrible idea, Mom.
No parties, no alcohol. Apparently, she even asked the kids what kind of alcohol they wanted. Of course, she's a cool mom! Right.
Right? What do you drink when you're 60? What do you think? White claws and fruity things?
They don't do wine coolers anymore. Well, you're not supposed to be drinking any of those things, so, you know. No, no, but what do you think they ask for, though? Uh, it's just a, I'll tell you that.
It's a question of what their icons are drinking that they see on whatever format. Oh, gotcha. You know? Uh, like, the scary part is, for younger kids, it's more often than not, it's energy drinks.
Like, hey, I want, give me that ghost. Let me try that, let me try that. Like, that's a bigger problem. - So Four Loko.
- I could see that that would be more along the lines, yeah. - They did not look like an inner city crowd. - An inner city crowd? - Yeah.
- What do you mean? - Four Loko is more of an inner city drink. - It's more urban? - Yeah, urban, I guess that would be the word.
Urban, inner city. - Yeah, no, I mean, like, for me, the argument is always, even coffee, like, hey, let me try that coffee. I'm like, no, no, you're not trying the coffee. - No, no coffee either.
- No, not at all. They don't need caffeine. Are you kidding me? I got one kid that goes.
I got one kid, Justice wears everybody else out. - Don't you like the kids drink that Prime stuff? Is that an energy drink? - Not the energy kind.
And that's, and that, the regular Prime has kind of moved, we've moved through that, we've moved on. - Oh, well, I mean, you read a new book. - They like, no, no, I'm just saying as far as demand is concerned, they weren't about it. - Oh.
But, like, they'll drink, like, Propels, like, you know, flavored water, stuff like that, with locale, I don't mind that, you know? I mind that when they waste it, that shit drives me nuts. They take a sip of it, and it's just sitting on the counter. - You find it in the back seat of the car, under the seat?
- And I'm like, dude. - There's $75 right here in my car. - Right, I'm like, you guys gotta be kidding me. There are two plates in my car right now, half-eaten muffins.
- Oh. - See ya. - You just got it back, you're not keeping it clean. - On the way to school, they like to eat, and then they figure, My manservant dad will take care of this.
I can't take this in with me. Yeah, like where do you want me to put it? I'll just leave it here on this chair. Friends can't see me eating a Tootie Fruity Muffin.
It's gonna be amazing. Tomorrow I'll come back in this car and it'll be gone. Oh, then I'm gonna make them eat it on the way home. Yeah, no, no.
Eat that on the way to practice, there you go. Right. Alright, it's time for the-- how are we gonna play What's the Score? Uh, I'll just do it.
That's no fun. No. Alright, time for the industry's favorite game. What's the score?
No flipping, no flipping, no flipping that time. Didn't know what to do. Didn't know what to do. They're both talking, what do I do now?
Oh my God. Well, you can make one a priority over the other. We tried that, it didn't work. It worked too well, is the problem.
January 27, 2018, Brooks Whittington, the Alec Bradley Cigar, the Black Market Bootlegger. Black Market Bootlegger. Alec Bradley. Alec Bradley.
Alec Bradley. And this is recent? No, 2012. Oh, 2012.
This is probably Raices. 88. Black Market Bootlicker from Honduras. The factory is Tabaco de Oriente.
Oh, Audible. Wrapper is Nicaraguan Binder, Sumatra. Okay. Filler, Honduras, Panama, and Nicaragua.
Length five and a quarter by fifty-four is a Robusto Gordo. It's a fat shorty. Fifteen dollar cigar back then, and they smoked three. Eighty-five.
I'm gonna drop eighty-five. The cigar delivers, oh, clue number one. The cigar delivers a rich and consistent profile built around creamy oak, complemented by flavors of graham cracker sweetness, coffee, cocoa nibs, and spice that keeps the experience engaged. Oh, boy.
We dropped Coco Nibs off the jump. Coco Nibs. I'm going to say 88. Clue number two.
Construction is strong overall with a razor-sharp burn for much of the cigar and very heavy smoke production that creates a full and satisfying smoking experience. Brooks is all about this. He likes this one. I'm going to say I'm going to move up another point.
I'm going to go 89. Clue number three, the draw tends to run a bit loose at times and the occasional floral note on the finish can briefly disrupt the overall balance of the flavor profile. Flavor, profile, disruption, inconsistent, burning. Flavor, profile, disruption.
86. Final Thoughts: I have smoked a number of the Black Market releases over the years and have found them to be an enjoyable, albeit fairly linear blend. While the Bootlegger shares some similarities in both profile and flavors compared to what I remember of the original blend, there is a noticeable increase in spice on the finish, as well as more sweetness on the Retro Hill, although I did have to touch up two of the samples. A couple of times, construction overall was quite good, and if you like cigar that put out a lot of smoke, there are very few releases that can beat it in that regard.
S. may not find it different enough to compare it to more readily available black market releases to warrant the larger price and having to have it shipped from our friends to the north. Mmm. Where do I go here?
Where are you at? I think I was at 86, because you're the bad one? Maybe I'm at 88. It really doesn't matter, just pick another one.
I think I need to split the baby here, and I'm going to go 87. 87. Oh! It's like, Boots would have lost, Phil lost without even being here.
Poor Phil. Poor Phil. I hope he's having fun on his movie set. On his movie set?
Yes. More fun with Phil? Phil, no, it was Phil and the Seaman. Phil and the Seaman?
It's a nautical adventure. The nautical adventure? Yes. Okay, anything else to add?
Next week on the 10th, I'm on Chai Town Cigars. It's Tuesday at 7:30 Central Time, so what's it, 6:30 for us? Yep. It's 30 Eastern Standard Time, probably just gonna stay here.
- Okay. - And then on the 26th, 27th, we will be at Bow Weevil, sure. - Oh man, get it together, buddy. - I got home late.
Bow Weevil, then had to do the upload. Bow Weevil Cigars and Humor Refined Cigars in Dothan, Alabama. - Looking forward to seeing you guys out there at the end of the month. So, okay.
Make sure you like and subscribe. I didn't say that today, so make sure you like and subscribe - Thank you for wherever you're viewing or listening to this podcast, even though it's looking at Palmer. - Let us know if you enjoy the infotainment. - Edutainment, it's edutainment, it's edutainment.
All right. - All right, guys, we gotta go. - Thanks a lot, bye. - My thing was I would flip the microphone out.
- It's gone now. - I gotta have a new thing. All right, guys, we gotta go, bye. - Bye.
Show Notes
Now even Water Isn’t Safe! We have a mid east travel update, Old People are in the news again, Then one kid in Lousianne took the term “Play Misty For Me” way to seriously. Then in Cigar news we have a PCA cigar announcement =, two queens will be here soon and we are back on in Oregon! Then we wrap the day with a what’s the score.