ACHP Episode 516 HUlk Hogan Behind The Pain

Episode Summary

Episode 516 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast finds hosts Mike Palmer and Phil McGuffin battling a post-PCA head cold alongside guest host Law Reem of Camacho Cigars. After the usual CH Pod swag and Patreon housekeeping and a run through listener comments, the crew works through the day's news: the new Netflix Hulk Hogan tell-all documentary covering Terry Bollea's steroid use, the Gawker sex tape lawsuit and his firing from WWE; a Florida woman charged with aggravated assault after throwing beer bottles at a toddler in Fort Walton Beach; the world's largest condom maker Karex raising prices on shipping and petroleum disruptions; and a former MrBeast employee suing Jimmy Donaldson's companies over alleged sexual harassment and parental-leave retaliation.

The cigar news turns to Viaje bringing back the Geisha along with the Jalapeño and Fat Jalapeño as part of its pepper series, and the United Kingdom's generational tobacco ban — anyone born after 2008 will never legally buy tobacco or vapes there, with no concessions carved out for premium cigar retailers. The guys also watch and roast a post-show thank-you video from PCA president Joshua Habursky, which leads into Law's story about being repeatedly mistaken for former PCA head Scott Pierce — including by Steve Saka — at a past trade show.

"What's the Score" goes double Camacho. First up is Charlie Minato's 2014 review of the Camacho Liberty 2014, a Honduran perfecto the guys peg near 89 before Minato's blistering "monotonous harsh pepper" verdict lands it at a 78. The second is Patrick Lagreid's take on the Camacho Powerband Robusto, where syrupy apple sweetness, maple and pepper push it to a 92 despite a sour, metallic final third.

Law closes out with an inside look at Davidoff's PCA booth: Davidoff's first core line launch in nine years, AVO's first in five (the Honduran-made, full-bodied Expressivo), a new Zino blend, and the event-only Camacho Liberty 250 — a 6x56 with an American wrapper and American filler, limited to just 17,760 cigars in 10-count bundles. He also talks about the AVO lounge with its lime-air bubble mocktail, the Davidoff soirée, and how the 2026 floor layout kept exhibitors trapped in their "zoo exhibits."

In This Episode

1. 01
   Show Open and Listener Comments
   Palmer and Phil, still sick from the trade show, welcome Camacho's Law Reem and read listener comments about the podcast's walking-death virus.
2. 02
   Hulk Hogan Netflix Documentary
   The new tell-all covers Terry Bollea's steroid admissions, the Arsenio Hall denial, the Gawker sex tape lawsuit and his WWE firing.
3. 03
   Florida Woman and the Beer Bottles
   An Okaloosa County woman is charged with aggravated assault after throwing beer bottles at a three-year-old who tried to help her off her bike.
4. 04
   Karex Condom Prices and the MrBeast Lawsuit
   The Malaysian condom giant raises prices over shipping and petroleum costs, and a former MrBeast staffer sues over alleged harassment and leave retaliation.
5. 05
   PCA Wrap-Up and the Scott Pierce Mix-Up
   The crew critiques Joshua Habursky's post-show video and Law tells how Steve Saka and Nimish Desai both mistook him for former PCA president Scott Pierce.
6. 06
   Viaje Geisha and Jalapeño Return
   Viaje's next retailer shipment brings back the Geisha in two blends plus the Jalapeño and Fat Jalapeño from its pepper series.
7. 07
   UK Generational Tobacco Ban
   Parliament's tobacco and vapes bill will permanently bar anyone born after 2008 from buying tobacco, with no carve-out for premium cigars.
8. 08
   What's the Score: Double Camacho
   The guys guess Half Wheel scores on the Camacho Liberty 2014 (a brutal 78 from Charlie Minato) and the Camacho Powerband Robusto (a 92 from Patrick Lagreid).
9. 09
   Camacho Liberty 250 and Davidoff's PCA Launches
   Law details the event-only 6x56 Liberty 250 limited to 17,760 cigars, plus new core lines from Davidoff, AVO (the Honduran Expressivo) and Zino.

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Transcript

Welcome to A Cigar Hustler Podcast 516. I'm Mike Palmer, your host, and with me today, back from his circumcision, Phil, I want my foreskin back from McGuffin. - Welcome to the coffee. Say hi, Phil.

- Since when did we put me in that place? - Well, you know, because of your extensive movie career in the male porn industry that you decided to go next step. - I don't care if I was in male porn. I just want to see the money.

- It's all right. Their money. - Yeah. - I'm dying.

Hold on. - You want to do male porn? - What? - I don't know.

Let's get through the beginning and then we'll talk about this. - I'm doing the best I can. And with me today is our guest host, Mr. Law.

Black is so much better than Yellow Ream from Camacho Cigars. That's very true. Thank you for joining us. Matches my soul now.

I hope you don't get sick. Me too. Do you guys have health insurance here? Probably shouldn't have kissed when you came in, but you just got aggressive.

I didn't know what to do. You just have a very kissable face. You know why Palmer's sick? Why?

Because he had to do certain things to get these wireless mics for you, Ream. So things happen. Yeah. But what happens in New Orleans stays in New Orleans.

53 and he goes what's what's that in blowjobs? Wow. Gotta cut that out. On today's show we have the Huckster, the Hulkster, I spelled that wrong twice, I fixed it once.

The Hulkster tell-all on Netflix, Florida woman picks a fight with a toddler, now the war has gone too far, and Mr. Beast may have also crossed the line, and then Viaje's bringing it back in the UK band smoking, and then we have a double special Camacho. What's the score? Oh.

But before we get started, I'm told he is prepared. Law, how do we get some of this CH Pot swag? I'm glad you asked, Mikey. com a cigar hustlers podcast where you can now purchase for the full year at 10 off and don't And don't forget to like and subscribe wherever you are viewing or listening to this show.

Excellent job. You have to keep talking because Phil's up roaming around the studio for some reason. I got some comments from yesterday's podcast. You want to go through those?

Go. " They don't sound any better. "By the end of the show, even I was coughing. Who knew you could catch the walking death virus via podcasting?

" Then you have Ruckus Unchained. What about the sling bag from last PCA? We still have some of those. Maybe we can do something.

Alright. I mean, that's a sick-ass sling bag. Can I curse? No, not really.

We're monetized now. Oh. Congrats. So there's a list of questions they ask you at the end, and one of them is their excessive swearing or foul language.

A lot's changed since you've been here a while. I see that. There was no holds barred last time. The old bar last time.

Right. Now we have a list of things we can't talk about. " I don't know what that means. " I just don't know how to read.

Oh. Yeah. Phil, how are you feeling? I'm good.

I usually stay far away from the coffers. We only see them for showtime. Yep. " Yes.

I ad-libbed. It says Lysol the Hat first. That's okay. Yeah.

And then you have Datacache 2004. Does Phil seriously have no idea as to how IVF works? No, he doesn't. He doesn't.

No. Well, first of all, I didn't know that there was a lot of masters of this science. Everybody knows how it works. I don't understand how you don't know.

It's pretty well known. There's different ways, just like there's, you know... No, no, test tube, petri dish, squirt, squirt, egg, egg, you're done. Yeah, but then you can have another lady carry it, or you can carry it, or you know, there's a whole bunch of different things.

But that doesn't change the fetus. All right, this is over. Hey, there's a remote there on your table. Hit stopwatch and hit start.

I guess I should have brought that up earlier. Oh, okay. It's usually Mike's job. I can't see anything.

I'm trying to look really cool with these glasses on. At the top. The button says stopwatch. Just hit that.

Hit stopwatch. Stopwatch. Aim it at the thing. Okay, now hit start.

Where's that button at? It's probably a play button. It's probably not start. Oh, there we go.

It does say start. Oh. There we go. How many minutes we have, Booty?

Uh, five. So add five to whatever it is. All right, now on with the news. We have a Hulk Hogan Tell All on Netflix.

Have you guys watched it? No. I don't have Netflix. Somebody give me their Netflix.

The series released on Netflix in 2026 follows Terry Jean Bollet career from the Masked Super Destroyer to WWE Hall. Everything is blurry today. This is it. This is what the war has done to Palmer.

Hall of Famer and his death from a heart attack on July 24, 2025 at 8:71. Hogan admits in a documentary that he began using steroids a few years after graduating high school in 1971. So, a few years after Arnold Schwarzenegger. And continued after the 1988 ban, publicly denying it for years before acknowledging the use of 1994.

Dr. George Zohan, charged in 1991 for distributing steroids to wrestlers, identified Hogan as a recipient, Leading to Hogan's appearance on the Arsenio Hall Show, where he lied about his use in a 2012 Gawker, published part of a 2007 sex tape featuring Hogan and Heather Clem. Anybody seen the sex tape? No.

No. I haven't either, it seems odd, huh? Does it? Heather Clem?

I mean, I've seen the Kardashian one. Oh, okay. All right, 2016, jury awarded Hogan $140 million later settled for $31 million after the company shut down. Would you guys settle for $31 million of a sex tape with you and some girl?

I would settle for like 10 bucks, I already did the sex tape. I already got the part I wanted. Like they give me the money or I have to give her the money? No, no, they give you money.

You have sex with a woman, not your wife, and they give you, you ask for $140, they give you $31 million. And you're poor, imagine if you had money. Right, exactly. I'd be up to five or six by now.

Hey, maybe she wouldn't care because now you're rich. Maybe. Look, it's a one-time thing. Here's a new house and a boat and an airplane.

Right. I mean, look how much Bill Gates' wife put up with. Right. What'd he do?

Oh, what didn't he do? I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything about that.

I don't know anything about that. Right. I mean, look how much Bill Gates' wife put up with. Right.

Oh, what'd he do? Oh, what didn't he do? I don't know anything about that. Right.

I mean, look how much Bill Gates' wife put up with. Right. Oh, what'd he do? Oh, what didn't he do?

I don't know anything about that. " Yeah. That's, wow. Yeah.

And he goes to that guy, doesn't he have his own contacts, you think? You would think so. A man of his level? I mean, he's got to have like an inner struggle.

You think he has a chlamydia drug dealer? I got doctors I can get stuff from without asking Epstein. You should ask him if you can get chlamydia drugs. That's how you know he's a virgin.

I don't know. No, I'm not ruining that relationship. I mean, you know, if I need something, I got peoples. You literally just go to a free clinic.

Right. Right. Then I can know who he is. Right.

A transcript of the tape revealed Hogan used a racial slur. He apologized, was fired from WWE, and later expressed regret over the incident in the docu-series. Wow. What did he say?

Anybody know? Nope. Nope. Excuse me.

Wow. It's the last episode I'm ever going to do. This episode brought to you by the Zombie Apocalypse. Yeah, no shit.

Umbrella Corporation. Or by Ricola. We're only eight minutes in and we're through the first story. Okay, it's a quick episode.

Florida woman throws a beer bottle at a toddler after falling off her bike. That sounds very Florida. Sounds very Florida. Florida woman's facing charges after deputies say she threw beer bottles at a toddler on Tuesday night.

m. And while on Circle Drive in Fort Walton Beach, deputies said a three-year-old boy went up to her in an apparent attempt to check on her and threw two beer bottles at the child. Bye-bye. Witnesses said that if the boy hadn't ducked, wah, wah, he could have been hit in the head.

The child's parents saw the whole thing. They, along with multiple nearby residents, provided sworn statements corroborating the event. Investigators said Miller stated that she believed she was being attacked by the toddler. Or Jason Bourne.

However, they added that she was unable to coherently explain what happened or her actions. Miller suffered a minor finger injury, which officials said was consistent with falling from a bicycle. The child was not injured. Miller has been charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? Your bowel is a deadly weapon. Yeah. It can cause some damage.

Wow. It sounded like the child fell off a bike and the woman threw a bottle at the child at first, saying, you can't believe you fell off the bike, you deserve to get hit, but the woman fell off the bike, and the child went to help her. Ah, help lady, whoa. And then the child gets bottles thrown in and matrices the bottles, pulls off a knee.

She thinks that she's being attacked by the child. Yep, sounds about Florida. What, uh, what county or city is this in? Fort Walton Beach up in the Panhandle.

Really? Yes. It doesn't sound like a horrible place. You've never been to Fort Walden Beach?

Nope. Wow. Pretty nice up there. Yeah, it's a nice area.

You think there's beer bottle chucking women? Beer bottle, well, she's... I'm almost certain. From the photo I saw, she looked like she chucks beer bottles at people.

Yeah? She got a mullet or does she have long hair? No, I believe it was a mullet. So she got the shaved sides.

Right. Business in front, party in the back. Right. It's a real David Lee Murphy.

A couple parties in her hands, too. There you go. All right, now the war has gone too far, gentlemen, the world's top condom maker is raising prices due to the Iran war. The war or the Olympics?

The war. Why would the Olympics raise prices? Don't you remember? There was a shortage.

They ran out of condoms. They ran out of them. Doesn't mean they're gonna raise the price. Maybe they did.

The Olympics are over. Maybe they're Olympic gold medal condoms. No, I don't think so. I haven't heard of this brand considering they're the world's top condom producer.

How many condoms do you use? Condoms? I don't have to use condoms. I'm married.

Right. I'm married. I've been fixed. You've been fixed.

Nope. We're not using none of those. You know, when you're married, you just don't have sex anymore. Right.

You don't need condoms. It's not like you always have sex anymore anyway. Oh. The world's top condom producer announced it planned to raise its prices up to 30% or more.

If supply distributors caused by the Iran War continue, Carex CEO Gokh Miha, Kiat, told Reuters that it saw a surge in condom demands amid rising freight costs and shipping delays, so there's high demand for condoms right now. Where are these condoms made at? It doesn't say. Boots, look up KAREX.

See where their home office is? Phil, sorry, got your name wrong. Situation is definitely very fragile. Prices are expensive.

We have no choice but to transfer the costs right now to the customers. Go, G-O-H told Rooters. Go. G-O-H, go.

Malaysia. Malaysia. Port Kalang, Selangor, Malaysia. Malaysia has to travel through the Strait of They use Hormuz to deliver condoms?

Well, no, but they use petroleum to make condoms. Oh! That makes sense now. Right, that's why that's the problem.

Apparently, the Iranians have the best condom petroleum. Who knew? Did you find out anything else interesting? Because the show's almost over.

Oh, it said... We're at 15 minutes. There's also another company with that name located in Poland. Maybe we should call Greg?

Oh. I don't think you'll know. No. Must be a different company.

They can also be in Hat Yai, Thailand. They have another factory there. Oh. I can see why I use a lot of condoms over there.

Right. I can see that, too. Nothing in Africa. I think that's where they would need them.

Really? Why in Africa? Because there's a high level of AIDS in Africa. Is there?

Yes. We've been over this already. The world's highest. Oh.

He doesn't get out much. Well, they don't use condoms. But if they did, there wouldn't be so many aids. Yeah, but they just don't use them.

I mean, why would you put a factory there? So they would use them. I think you would like more, put like a pimp business there than a condom business. I'm sure there's those too.

Look at you, racist. Pimp? Yes. How's that racist?

Not a lot of white pimps out there. Right. Well, maybe. You looking for a career change there, Phil?

Listen, if I could do that and not be illegal, yeah. Well, in Africa, it's probably not illegal. I'm sure there's something. As long as you film it, it's not illegal.

As long as you film it? Is that the line? If you transact money for sex, it's illegal. But if you film it, it's entertainment.

Oh, right. Porn. Wow. I never thought of that.

I never thought of it either. He's a pretty good setup over there. Yeah. All right.

Former Mr. Beast staffer accuses YouTubers company of sexism and leave violations. Ooh. If you work for them, don't you sort of assume that kind of stuff's gonna happen?

Sex, uh, what? I don't know, he's, uh... I mean, he's like Mr. Goody Two Shoes with all his philanthropy and stuff.

Sexism and leave violations. A woman who used to work for popular YouTube star Mr. Beast is suing his company over allegations that she experienced sexual harassment during her employment and was wrongfully terminated following the return from parental leave. All right, I need a picture of the lady.

I need to know what was said. There's no picture of the lady, and there's nothing. They don't say what it said. Yeah, which staff member are we talking about?

Yeah. Well, look up Lorraine, M-A-V-R-O-M-A-T-I-S. That's the woman claiming sexual harassment? Yes.

What was the last name? M-A-T-V-E. M-A-V-R-O-M-A-T-I-S. Jesus.

Which staff member, are we talking about a camera guy, a logistics guy, or like one of the main characters? Nope, she's just a girl who works in the office. Eastern Division of North Carolina on Wednesday against Mr. Beast YouTube, LLC, and Game Changer 24/7 LLC, which are both owned by the content creator whose real name is Jimmy Donaldson.

I mean, she's pretty, she's not ugly. She's seeking, so if she was ugly, it would be pointless? Maybe. Kind of, right?

That's the way it goes. Yeah. I know that's pretty shallow, but, I mean. She's described as a rising star who was promoted twice between 2022 and 2024 before a sexual harassment complaint.

And pregnancy resulted in alleged retaliation in the form of a demotion and eventual termination in November. " Oh yeah, she's Brazilian. She needed money. Yeah, she's mad because she got fired.

"I have a daughter now and I do not want to be silenced anymore," she said in an interview after the suit was filed. "I really want to use my voice to bring awareness. " A company spokesman told NBC News on Wednesday that the suit is based on deliberate misrepresentation and categorical false statements. There is exclusive evidence including Slack and WhatsApp messages.

So somebody made off-handed text messages. Her songs that she's known for, she's a singer, the songs that she's known for are kind of weird, but maybe fit in this whole scenario. Her songs are "I'll Be Bad", "Dahlia", "Half Past Love", "Close Tonight" and "Gone". Well, she's gone now.

Yeah. It's like working for, who was the group back in the '80s? Johnny Knoxville. Oh, Jackass.

It's like working for Jackass. They threw something at me, or they hit me in the face with a pie. Yeah, like if the midget was assumed. Right.

The midget grabbed my butt. Yeah. Kind of what these guys do. Didn't Howard Stern have some of his people soon?

Didn't Robin soon? Robin Quivers? Yeah. I don't know, why don't you look it up right in your phone right there?

That would be, Robin after 20 years of watching women perform sexual acts in front of her, like this. She draws the line. I've experienced sexual harassment on this show, I didn't see it coming, like. A midget touching her, where she draws the line.

Yeah, I thought they, I thought they were something. Nothing? I don't know, Mr. Beast Channel, he's a pretty ethical guy.

Yeah, his stuff's not usually sexual when he does it. Not even a little bit. Just a tad, nobody's naked or anything. Like, he's even trying to redo the whole chocolate industry ethically.

" No, I won't use the kids. We like the kids. Look at him scurry up that tree. Yeah, there's a lady suing him right now.

Suing Mr. Beast? No, Howard Stern. Howard Stern, Leslie Coon.

We covered that story a couple weeks ago. His assistant. Hostile work environment. Yeah, that's why I popped out.

" I can see that. He became real weird when he became a shut-in during COVID. He became a what? Alright, I was told you have a video for us today there, Law.

Oh, yes. Check your phones. I am sending that over right now. Turn your volume up.

It's a... Is there music? No, I think he's talking. I actually didn't watch it.

I'm gonna watch it with you guys. Oh. Oh, wait. Hasn't sent yet.

Hasn't sent yet. Yeah. I'm not on the Wi-Fi. Well, no.

Even if you weren't on the Wi-Fi, I still wouldn't have sent ya. It's a minute and 13 seconds long, so. We're in the cave. All right.

Now it's sent. There it is. Oh. Turn this on.

Turn this on. , doing some events with Nick Hammond, and then off to Oslo, Norway, Vienna, Austria, and Bratislava, Syracia, and a little bit of an R&R at the F1 Cree. I want to thank all of our speakers, sponsors, anybody that attended the trade show. We're going to continue to build off of what we produced this year, affect things, change things a little bit better, and in a short, less than 11 months, we'll be back in Las Vegas for UCA 2027.

I can't hear him. Can't hear him. He didn't seem to say anything that interesting. I think Michael's trying to make this show pretty boring.

That's Joshua Hiburski, the president of the PCA. That was Joshua Hiburski? Yes, that was Joshua Hiburski. That's the president of the PCA?

With the backwards hat? Yeah, with the backwards hat and the chain and all the things. He looks like a panhandler. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I thought, you know, what's the one guy that owns Ferio Tego? Michael Herklotz? Michael Herklotz. I felt it was somebody that kind of looked like him.

It used to be Scott Pierce, and he was like suit and tie. Yeah he kind of looked like Michael Herklots with the suit and tie. He's now with the CAA. Actually you guys are talking about doppelgangers, about Michael being mistaken for Matt Booth.

Yes. I got mistaken so hard for Scott Pierce by Steve Saka. Really? Oh, by Saka.

You know on day three, Steve likes to hit the bottle. Right, yeah. So I walked in late on day three. It's no secret.

He's... Right, right, right. " like Steve because I've been getting it all day everyone's like Scott Scott Scott you know Nimish from Rocky Patel thought I was Scott so at this point I'm used to it so I'm like Steve look what are you in like one of the top bottom one percent of our investors here you know I was like I don't I don't think you really deserve the time of day and he's like Scott what's going on he's like I'm just saying Steve a lot of a lot of people the big questions they're also having you know some big money in their pockets right that's all I'm saying and he was like just dumbfounded he couldn't I couldn't believe it. Oh, wow.

" Words I can't say on this podcast any longer. I wonder if he didn't know and he should have writes a nasty email. Were you wearing a suit and everything? Oh, yeah.

Oh. You don't go to PCA like this? You're gonna have to describe what you're looking at. You're on the camera, I mean, with those cut-off sleeves.

Well, I do now. I do now. I'm the Camacho guy now. Oh, you mean when you went as Zeno?

As myself in media, when I had the YouTube channel. Okay, I'm sorry. I was completely lost on this whole thing. Okay, so this is back in the day.

Yeah, this is three years ago. Okay. Oh, it wasn't this year. No.

Oh, I thought it was this year. No, it was Scott Pierce's last year, the PCA. Gotcha, gotcha. That's hilarious.

So this video, I mean, he needs to cough up for a microphone. Yep. And a suit, and a haircut. Well, we talked about it.

He wears vintage suits. He had one on every day. This is obviously after the show. He's a little more relaxed.

He's out on the street just doing a thank you video. What is K Street? His handle is Wolf of K Street. He looks like Ron Weasley.

He doesn't look like... That's exactly what it looks like. Yeah, he doesn't. Yeah, Ron Weasley with a mustache.

He said he was gonna come by and chit chat and set up a time to come do the show, but he just came by and go, "Everything good? Everything good? " and then kept walking. And kept walking.

Alright, well, next year, expect an uninvite from the show after he listens to this. Oh, that's a good point. Well, he's trying to get to the F1 race. Don't go to Camacho.

That was the Camacho guy. Post-Tanya still loves you, so it's fine. You're a cute little fella. Cute little fella.

Wow. He's shorter than me. Really? Yes.

Wow. Alright, on to cigar news, Viaje's bringing back geisha jalapenos and fat jalapenos. And Fat Jalapenos. Oh!

Oh! Oh! Viaje's next shipment to retailers will contain four cigars, including the Geisha, a pair of cigars that hasn't been released. Oh, it so hurts.

It looks painful. It does. Released since the line debuted in July 2022. Also, the box will be the Viaje Jalapeno and the Fat Jalapeno, part of the company's series dedicated to peppers.

The Geisha comes in two blends, one using a Nicaraguan Corojo 99 wrapper and the other using a Mexican San Andreas Maduro wrapper. While the company has not yet released details about the blend of this year's version, the debut version pictured above, no picture here, used Nicaraguan tobacco for both the binder and the fillers. It comes in a 6 3/4 x 52 Perfecto Vitola, with each box containing 14 of each blend for a total of 28 cigars. Let's see if they have the price.

It's a pretty unfortunate release there. The geisha jalapeno sounds like something you'd find in Thailand. Yeah. Well, the jalapeno's coming out a couple years in a row.

They're adding the fat jalapeno this year. The geisha is a separate cigar. The geisha is a separate cigar. It's not the geisha jalapeno.

No, no prices. I know, when you put them side by side. Right, yeah. Well, it's funny how they don't release any information about the geisha.

Like, you don't know. No pricing released on anything. Nobody knows. Geishas cost a lot of money.

Yeah. But they're still virgins. Right. Is that the rule?

I don't know. I saw that movie, Memoirs of a Geisha, so I'm an expert now. Right. Oh.

Good movie. Law. Expert on geishas. UK bans anyone born after 2008 from buying tobacco products.

What do you think? I'm just glad we live in America. Yeah. " After nearly five years, the United Kingdom landmark generational tobacco ban will soon become law.

Not that law, different law. There's no law with like law, sorry. On Tuesday, Parliament approved that tobacco, it'd be funny if your middle name was Parliament. Yeah, what?

Approved the tobacco and vapes bill with some minor amendments, meaning that it has now moved into the very last step of the process, the total assent. Once approved by the Monarch, the bill will become law in a monumental move. Anyone born after 2008 will no longer be able to purchase tobacco and vaping products in the UK forever. Hmm.

So I guess they don't take back their laws ever. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

So, when do you, when do you turn 18 if you're born in 2008? 2026, right? I don't know. Phil, figure that out.

2028? I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. You're born in 2008, when do you turn six? It's 2018.

Well, 2026, so they would be banned from smoking this year. This year. The type of ban is known as a generational tobacco ban because it aimed at making tobacco-free generation with a weird quirk. Because the bill has taken so long to pass, some people who are currently able to legally purchase tobacco products in the UK will lose that right after the bill goes into effect.

So go buy more now! So if you're born in 2007, you can still buy tobacco the rest of your life? Yes. -But 2008, no.

-Screwed. -Huh. -Currently, the minimum age to purchase is 18, though the smoking age is 16 in England and Wales. While there are some hope, especially cigar retailers, would receive some concessions, that did not happen.

Instead, the approved amendments had to deal with how the new law, not that law, would be implemented in Wales. The bill will greatly expand ability for the health ministers to reduce further regulations. I'm getting, my eyes are getting blurrier as we go. Regulations of, oh, somebody just texted me.

Stroke, I just got a text too. Regulations of tobacco and also nicotine products, as it often the case, handmade cigars can become unintended victims of laws to seek to reduce the consumption of cigarettes vapes. Cigar retailers have raised concerns about how the new law will impact the business, many of which are already struggling due to the UK's high tax and therefore the high cigar prices. All right, we're going to skip ahead.

This is getting dull. You know what's crazy is like they didn't ban smoking, they just banned the purchase of the product. Well, if you can't buy it, you can't smoke it. That's not true.

Yeah, I guess someone born in 2007 could just hand you one. Right. Yes. Or you could just go buy them in the next country.

That too. Or you could have them shipped to you. Sounds like a good... Sounds like you found a loophole there.

Good makings for a black market there. Yeah, they just don't make these... Yeah, they just don't make these, I mean, we've gone over this how many times with all these different places, they make these rules, and it's like, you didn't ban the actual act of smoking. You tried to, but you messed that up.

Right, and all you did is make it harder to get. There'll be plenty of time for that to get overturned. Right. I don't know, do they overturn laws in the UK?

Well, what happens is if a new king or queen or whoever, prime minister or whatever, comes into effect, then they make their own rules, right? Or a new parliament. Yeah. We need to get some cigar shop owners in parliament.

I'm sure they all smoke. Of course they do. Yeah. They didn't stop Reagan from smoking Cubans.

Right. All right, time for the industry's favorite game. What's the score? Today's first cigar, October 1st, 2014.

Charlie Minados is the reviewer. It is a Honduran cigar. It is the Camacho Liberty 2014. Oh.

Oh. So nothing new. So that way law can't cheat. Ugh.

Right, I figure one of the odds he's gone back and read these. Right. I have not read this one. That's for sure.

All I know is Charlie Monado is the harshest reviewer over there. So. Really? You think that?

I know that. I've broken down all the scores we've had over the years and made graphs. Really? Yeah.

I feel like Charlie's the nicest one. He's the nicest person. He's the harshest reviewer. He's only given out $199 ever.

Yeah, but nobody else has. Oh, sure they have. They've given out multiple $99s. Really?

Yep. Charlie's the only one that's done one. And he's never given out a $98 or a $97 before. Oh.

I didn't know that. All right, guys, give me a score. I'm going to go with... It's a Camacho.

He's going to be... They probably put a lot of money on Half Wheel. That doesn't affect anything. Doesn't affect anything at Half Wheel.

No. We actually got below average reviews last year. I'm going to say 89. I was going to go with 89, too, being that I know the Liberties.

You can go 89, too. Yeah, I never responded. All right, Cigar Reviews Camacho Liberty 2014 is from Honduras. A.

Wrappers, Ecuadorian Habano, Binder Undisclosed, Corojo, Filler, Dominican Republican, Nicaragua, Size 6", Ring Gauge, 48, 54, and 48, Vitola, 11 by 18, Perfecto, They Smoked 3. Hmm. Fun fact, the 11-18 has nothing to do with the size. That's Christian O'Roe's mother's birthday.

Oh. Oh, nice. That's why I named that size that size. Huh.

I didn't know that. Um, is Christian a nice guy? Don't know. Never met him.

Me either. Husso's lovely. Yeah, Husso's nice. I hear Christian's very nice.

Okay. I see his Facebook all the time. He's rolling cigars all the time. Um, I'm a stick 89.

Nothing changes. Yep, same. Clue number one. The flavor complexity has its moments.

Notes like cocoa, sweet Dicegrain, Captain Crunch, Pie Crust and even a surprisingly smooth retrohale of nuts, saltiness, and expresso show there's depth trying to break through. Is it Coco Nibs or Coco? Because if it's Coco Nibs… It's Coco. No Nibs.

Yeah, but this isn't… what's his name? I'm going to drop down to 88. Really? Yeah.

Just didn't seem too thrilled about it. We'll go 89. I'll go 89. Clue number two, construction holds up well overall, above average smoke production, a steady burn that doesn't require touch-ups, and a solid, reliable draw make it an easy cigar to physically smoke.

90. Whoa. Wow. Good construction.

It is. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna stick at 89. Third clue: The profile is overwhelmingly dominated by harsh pepper and strength which drowns out the more nuanced flavors and makes the experience feel unbalanced and fatiguing. Oh.

Eighty-seven. I'm going to go... Stay eighty-nine. I've smoked a few strong cigars this year, and one is final thought.

Ones that were truly stronger than the pack and the Camacho Liberty 2014 definitely falls into that exclusive club. If you ever were concerned that the company obsessed with the bold was not bold enough, the Liberty 2014 should change your mind. Unfortunately, it's an unbalanced cigar that seems more interested in the delivery, delivering nicotine than the sensible flavors. Oof.

Too long, the profile is a monotonous delivery of harsh pepper, drowning out otherwise interesting flavors. Camacho is making some great cigars, including one of my favorites, new cigars of the year, but this is not one of them. Going down to 86. Charlie's so hard to read.

There's no teriyaki or anything in this either. Eighty-five. Oh, wow. What did you say?

Eighty-six. You went the right way. Yeah. Seventy-eight.

Seventy-eight. Good lord. He really did not like it. He did not like that.

Wow. All right. We have a second cigar today. Ooh.

Patrick Lagrid. Patrick. He's Coco Nibs. Also a Honduran cigar.

The Camacho Power Band Robusto. Oh, no. Brooks is Nibs. Brooks is Coco Nibs.

Yeah. Let's go. I'll start at 85. 87.

, Rapper, Ecuadorian Habano 2000, Binder, Mexican San Andres, Negrito, Miller, Honduran Corojo, Lajero, Nicaraguan Esteli, Lajero, Dominican San Vincent Lajero, San Vincent Viso, and Dominican Piloto Cubano. It's pretty strong. It does. 5x50 Robusto, $11.

They smoked three. Ooh. Patrick. Patrick.

I'm sticking with my 87. Okay. Yeah, 85. I'll stick with 85.

He said 87. Oh, sorry. Sorry. The cold's affecting your hearing, isn't it?

My ears and my eyes now. Oh, God. He said 87. Oh, sorry.

Sorry. The cold's affecting your hearing, isn't it? My ears and my eyes now. Oh, God.

He's just slowly dying right in front of us. Sure you don't have Ebola? Maybe, who knows. Were you sick when you got to the show?

No, Mikey got us sick in the car on the way there. What a nice friend. So 10 hours in the car of him going *cough* without covering his mouth with the windows up, you know, and then... Sabotage your whole sales force.

Yes, yeah, he liked us all out. Michael was like, "You know what I don't want to do this show? " Right, exactly. Let me just poison my whole team.

Alright, clue number one. There's a really engaging flavor progression, especially the syrupy apple sweetness mixed with maple-like notes and pepper, giving the cigar a unique dynamic profile throughout. Wow. That sounds delicious.

Yeah, I mean. It does. By that, I would go to 90. I'm gonna jump to 89.

Yeah. Clue number two. Overall balance and constructions are strong. The burn stays mostly even, ash holds well, and the cigar manages intensity without constantly becoming harsh, which is impressive for a bold blend.

I mean, it sounds great too. I'm going to stick at 90. I'm going to jump to 91. The final third loses some of its appeal with the sweetness disappearing and the profile drifting into slightly off-putting, almost sour, metallic territory.

Drop it back down to 88. Sorry, I had some technical difficulties here. What happened? Got ashes all over myself and the microphone.

Oh. Haha. Um. The Triple Banderas has sabotaged you.

Yeah, he did. I'm at the second 90 because I don't know what was said. Ha ha ha ha. Excellent.

Final thought. Sometimes the best cigars come from the most unlikely of presentations. While I've generally enjoyed Camacho's offerings, I can't say that I would have pegged The power band to offer the balance, complexity, and flavor profile that it did. While the bands may suggest this is all about image, hype, and appealing to a certain lifestyle segment, *coughs* excuse me, the blend underneath those two pieces of paper is remarkable.

It is strong, yet balanced, bold, yet impressively complex, and yet fine-tuned in terms of construction and flavor. While the strength in pepper may be too much for some, it is a brilliant match for my palate and a cigar. I look forward to smoking quite a few more in the near future. I'm going to have to go with the 91 after that.

This is the final thought? That was the final thought. Wow. You said 91?

Yep. Doesn't get much better than that. 92. Oh, he hits it on the nose, 92.

Hey! I wanted to say 92, but I'm like, it's still half-wheel, they're still pretty harsh. I didn't know which way to go, to be honest. What did you guys show at the PCA?

Showing anything good coming out? Yeah, I was listening to yesterday's episode, and I know when you're in your booth you don't know what's going on. Yeah, I have no idea. We actually had, Davidoff had his first core line launch in nine years.

Oh, no. AVO, it's first Coraline launch in five years, and Zeno's first Coraline launch, it's second blend, in four years. What is AVO releasing? It's called the Expressivo, which is the first Honduran-made AVO, and it's a strong cigar too.

Yeah? Yeah. Nothing from Camacho? We have the Liberty 250, but it's an event-only cigar.

Gotcha. We made very, it might be the most limited run of Liberty ever. Oh, wow. only made 17,760.

Oh, 1776. Yep. Very nice. So they come in 10 count bundles.

It's got American tobacco on it. American. American wrapper, Crowho binder, American fillers, Nick Rogan Honduras also. Nice.

And you said the name of that was what? The Liberty 250. Oh, okay. And what's the gauge?

Oh, it's actually like one of my favorite sizes ever. It's a 56 by 6. Wow. Okay.

Or a 6x56, I guess that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You said it the wrong way, it threw me off. 6x56.

Threw me off. Where are you going to be next? Where can people find you? That's a good question.

I think I'm flying out to California to kick off the tour. Do you drive a black van now? I get to fly in planes like a real human car. Yeah, it didn't sound like a van.

It sounded like a winged thing. Is that a Camacho plane? You could call it that. We don't have a budget like that anymore.

I understand. What was your favorite part about the show? Oh. Oh.

I don't know, because when you're on the manufacturing side, you're just stuck in your zoo exhibit and you can't leave, really. Zoo exhibit. You didn't go to any of the after parties or the pre-things? We had a Davidoff party.

We had our soiree, which was really cool, really good. Nice. We didn't get an invitation to the Davidoff party. Yeah, only reason I got invited because I was cutting lighting cigars for people.

Oh, you worked there. Yeah. Somebody's got to park their cars. Yeah.

Oh. We did have a couple of party crashers. " He goes, "Great. " Wow.

Wow. Wow. Well, that sounds like a great party. We only went to the opening night party, Friday night.

I didn't even make it, I was setting up our booth still. So, sadly, second year in a row I've missed it and I heard it's a great party. Yeah, we didn't go last year, we went this year, it was a lot of fun. " Right?

" That's my last chance to do it in the next two years. There'll be a party next year. Yeah, but the Vegas parties are not the same. No, 'cause they're indoors.

We're indoors. We'll see how it goes. And I'll be dead by then, so. It's always seemed like a dystopian party before.

I guess people just kind of zombie around, say hi, and then leave. Right. Yeah, outside's a different vibe. That's because everybody's waiting to go gamble.

That too, yeah. Right. Right. Yeah, we just, I mean, it was work, eat, sleep, work, eat, sleep, work, eat, sleep, that's all it was.

Yep, that's how it is. Yep, that's how it is. I miss the media side, where it's go where you want, talk to who you want, hang out, schedules on your own time, you have a good time, on the manufacturer's side, it's work, work, work, work. Right, sure it is.

So you're not doing any social media stuff for Camacho at all? I was actually in charge of all our media, so everyone that came, I brought them to all the ambassadors, hooked them up with meetings, guided them around, told them what was new. - Okay. - So now it's busy.

We had a lot of media. Seems like a lot more media than last year. - What was in that little house in the middle? - That was our avo room.

We had a bar in there with a, we had an energy drink mocktail and came with like a little bubble in it that had lime air so you'd pop the bubble, inhale the air and drink the energy shot at once. It was pretty cool. - It looked pretty cool. - It was very cool.

- Did you guys win an award? - No. - I thought I saw a picture on Facebook, you guys won an award. - Oh, they stopped by to say hi while they were carrying the award.

" Who won Best Booth? Oh, who was it? I forgot. It was all to this.

That's right. I didn't see their booth either. It was weird this year. It's like nobody saw anyone's booth.

Right. I did a lap around. I said hi to Terrence and Fabian. The one time I went by, he was busy.

Yeah, I said hi to Pete Johnson, Matt Booth, all them. I said hi to Pete Johnson, Matt Booth. Eric Espinosa, but it just, yeah, the layout this year didn't seem like as much fun as previous years. Yeah, they stacked them pretty deep going back.

Very deep. It's like... And really close together. Yeah, it's like if you're on one side of the show, the other side doesn't exist.

Right. All right, Phil, you got anything else? Nope. Want to show your circumcision?

Nope. All right, everybody, it's been 516 of the Cigarister Podcast. Thanks, we'll be back tomorrow. - Thank you a lot for coming on.

- Yes, thanks. - My pleasure. Glad I drove two hours here to do a 40-minute show. - And we can keep going.

- Yeah. - Yeah, Palmer, show 'em those porno videos that you said that you were doing or something. - They're just the B-rolls from your show. - Just the B-rolls, wow.

He was my stunt double. - You know, somebody's gotta do it, I got a bigger dick. - Oh. - Oh.

- All right, bye. - All right, bye. - Demonetize.

Show Notes

On todays show we have the huckster tell all, Florida woman picks a fight with a toddler, Now The War Has Gone To Far!,Mr Beast may have went to far then in cigars , Viaje is bringing it back and the UK Bans Smoking!   And then a double what’s the score!