Cigar Hustlers Podcast 286 He’s Back!!
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You know, it's really kind of
funny is, I was looking for my
Gigi, from back in the day, when
I would do Brazilian jiu-jitsu
at American, top team.
Yes, and He's like oh this will
be easy.
I can just kind of look real
quick, skim through the boxes.
Yeah, just four feet above.
Yes, I just kind of scan through
them real quick instead of
having to deal go through 35
boxes or whatever, right?
And go up in the attic, dig
around and everything.
Yeah.
And I threw it away.
Well, it probably wouldn't fit,
you know, I don't think so.
Either much bigger than you were
back the how I wanted to see
them.
I wanted to try, you could have
cut the sleeves off and still
used it.
I think, when I think I weighed
in for a, for, like, a grappling
tournament and like, 165 pounds
of pain.
Yeah.
That's like one arm now.
Yeah, there's no way of.
I couldn't see under 65.
Maybe the pants.
Maybe the pants would be 160
weapons.
Don't know, maybe the panel as
far as the with waste but Yahweh
says we're probably about the
same.
Did they make big boy sizes?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They make people with sizes.
Oh look here.
Yeah.
Are you on?
No, no.
I was thinking cause you're
gonna need em Anita Baker, Boys.
Husky.
I think he said, call it husky.
I don't think it's not.
The biggest that I don't think I
need the big No-No.
Yeah.
Like a little husky.
Like the dog well but for
Jiu-Jitsu and so if you want to
be able to move, I Know.
No, No Husky.
The dog that used to be the
size.
They used to put on Sears tough
skin.
Not doing it yet husky.
I'm not doing it just yet.
Oh, they already started.
No, not doing it yet, Michael.
Oh yeah, you can't.
That's right.
So so I'm so silly.
Can't, you can't do it yet?
Why he can't?
Oh, oh yeah, I love a God.
He doesn't do that thing.
He doesn't do that.
No, he's talking about Phil.
Yeah.
Well, does that well?
Fellas been taking.
I was just looking and as you
know, nice to have a rack above
because I looked at my firm, I
put that thing on and see if it
still has enough for calling
Nicholas Melillo.
What's crazy is you found it on
the rap but now we know you
weren't.
Pay attention.
Nicholas Melillo.
Oh, I've know this guy.
Hello.
Who is this?
Hello, Nicolas to?
It's two guys in New Hampshire.
I can't even hear you.
I really do.
Hello.
Hello.
This is you trying to figure out
how to give me on the podcast on
the phone.
Listen, we thought you're going
to be in studio.
I just want you to know old and
we very seldom like to do a call
in on the podcast.
We like to do when we bring in
our guests.
Yeah.
And you know Eduardo tricked.
Me is what happens.
Your boy tricked me?
Well, the trick.
He's like, yeah.
I'll get him.
Yeah.
We can get them on.
No problem.
Not a problem.
I'll get him to come in.
Yeah.
And Then boom come in by.
Have you harassed him since this
time?
No, no.
It's, you know, the harassment
via like phone or Facebook.
Just isn't as effective as
in-person.
I figured, I'd see him a PCA I
won't warn him them today.
Yeah, keep it.
Keep it under wraps to your
booth where he just starts
taking things.
Yes.
So how are you?
How are you?
I'm doing great.
What do we live right now?
That way, if you say anything
that we feel like could hurt you
racist or something, we did
something really dumb as well,
cut it out.
What street are you guys in
person, or are you guys on
phone, where in art, we're in
person person.
I don't know where I'm going to.
Nicholas, you've done this
podcast before buddy.
I know I wear my one of the
first in person you were like a
hundred years ago when you would
actually go out and interact
with the people.
You know.
Do you remember those days?
Now you never get a drink.
Now you've built this fortified
office that is built for the
zombie apocalypse.
You know now I'm building a
place where people can come.
Visit me road trip You have your
shopping, you have a brand to
that, you kind of get it, but
people come to your shop.
They did her in one place.
Yes, his brand owners.
We got to go to the whole
country.
I mean, that's a, that's quite
the, it's quite the escapades to
do for.
I think I did it for a good four
years.
Yeah, well, you know, not the
whole country just a good
retailers.
So, So, I mean, it's about 40
people, he did do that, very
watery trip.
Are you on?
Are you on the road?
Mike a lot or?
No.
No.
I you know, here's the thing.
It I think that you and I think
you would agree with this.
I believe that other than the
fact that I don't know what
you're doing.
It's the gate you know.
But it closing the gates.
Hi.
I'm a big believer in.
We all have to kind of carve our
own path and direction as to how
to do it.
We know what has been done in
the past we know What works?
But it might not work for us,
right?
So what I like to do is I like
to go in like a fucking surgeon,
you know, and just hit one shop
and do an event with them and
get the hell out of there.
Quickly.
Yeah.
Why are, you know, I don't want
to go to the retailers that I
don't have a good relationship
with or I'm trying to establish.
I mean, that's just not my
thing.
Now, if a good friend of mine as
a retailer in there in that
area, I'll check in with them
and shoot the shit.
No problem, but I'm not doing
the other thing, you know, I'm
just not doing it.
All right here.
I mean, I very much enjoy it.
You know, even I sometimes
actually enjoying more not doing
the event and visiting, we're
here.
Yes, but do you enjoy as he
calls in?
Yeah.
Yeah, it sounds nice.
It sounds lovely, but running.
Going to the retailers that
don't give a shit about your
brand and you know that these
people exist, they need or want
the discount, his brand or the
other shit.
Now it exists, it doesn't matter
what brand you are.
You know, I wouldn't I don't see
the purpose of going into that
store.
I don't need to get kicked in
the teeth because I'm gonna
respond you know if it if it's a
repetitive thing I get it I do
enjoy like meeting people that
have no idea about the brand
have never Ever heard of it or
retailers that are kind of Out
Of Tune.
I'm not saying, you know, after
like three times of trying, you
know, for someone that doesn't
get it, that's different but I
do enjoy talking to people that
do not, you know, add events or
at stores that just have never
heard of the brain before.
Right?
Because I like to see when they
discover it which is kind of
cool.
Do you hit them with a like did
know who I am or some shit?
No, I am not going.
So, mellow out of here, tobacco
extraordinary.
Mike.
But, you know 2015, nobody of
course, knew the company nobody
knew who I was at all.
I don't know.
Fuck, you word back then you
did.
Yes, work.
You were the guy, but he was
about in general though.
You were the man that you didn't
do the guy.
That was the guy?
No, you're the guy.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say
some shit.
All right, I will tell you right
now, Now you were the guy behind
the scenes work in your fucking
ass off, creating fantastic
blends with actual thought,
processes behind the curtain,
right?
That was you?
That's what the fuck you did.
That's what the fuck, you think.
So, it's my job as a guy in the
retail aspect of things to know
who the guy is.
That's making that shit, right?
I mean, if you want to have your
hand on the pole, you need to in
this industry.
I mean unless you want to be a
65 year, old retired guy who
doesn't give a fuck and won't,
you know, won't get up at the
register and to Tumble leave
money in the walk away mean,
look at him.
A lot of it?
Yeah.
There is a lot of that is a lot
of, because I want to start it
2015 for, for a foundation
Foundation, Foundation, that's
Phil.
Who's Phil?
What's up?
You doing Nicholas has no idea
what's going on this podcast.
He hasn't listen, why don't you
bet me a couple times.
I sought you sell photos here.
Here you guys have.
Now I know it's very fancy when
I was there.
It was like, you know, I was
sitting on a box and yeah,
right.
Is, he said, you had a dream.
You had me next to the garbage
and yeah, your big guy.
Yeah.
Now, we're just crushing it,
this All-Star 2017.
So, speaking of podcast, Let's
wait a second.
Speaking of podcast, you gotta
tell me about this Joe Rogan
cigar because, you know, you all
right.
Where are ya?
You brag about all the fucking
time on your social media posts?
He's like, let's go with the
good comedian.
I saw the the fat guy is really
fucking funny.
Bert, whatever work?
You sure.
Bert Kreischer very gracious.
Yeah, he's great.
Yeah.
And like Foundation scars, they
made so how so listen, how many
hand jobs?
Did you have to do in order for
t32?
That was the Lyle that was the
Holy Lowly.
It was pure exhaustion.
That's a lot of towels.
That's a whole lot of
dedication.
It was consistency.
You know, how did you hook up
with Joe Rogan?
I mean, I think that's
fantastic.
It's the fucking.
I mean, it doesn't get any
bigger than that guy.
I don't think it does.
I mean, it's kind of crazy, man.
I don't really believe I'm in.
Awe of it to this day, you know,
I've always been a road in fan
for many years on a Satan's
2012, somewhere around there, he
had some Authors that I really
enjoyed that were you know, into
all that safe, ancient
civilization stuff and and
Ethiopia and things like that.
So I really took to him and
would actually keep it Mom in
the background.
As I was working, starting a
company and then I noticed he
started smoking cigars here, and
there, and then a buddy of mine
noticed how much I loved Road.
Ian and he was out in LA in that
whole Hollywood scene and he
said make me up a couple of
boxes and I'm going to get them
too.
I said, how do you do that?
Everybody's tried to get them
cigars.
It's you know, it's never going
to happen.
It's really difficult.
So I don't know how it's going
to happen, but I'm going to make
it happen.
And it took a while.
It's yeah, it was, it's a great
mentality.
So we made up to handmade hand,
painted boxes Forum of wise men
maduro's.
And we just did some some
hand-painted boxes for him.
This is like 2020 just after
covid or say, August August
September and we just happened
to meet one of Rogan's.
Friends who was also a big cigar
smoker who happened to be going
to visit him because he had just
moved to Austin and it was like
the first weekend he was out
there and he was going to visit
him for that weekend and he
brought in the boxes and gave
them to.
And then that was like, yeah,
beginning of September, was it
Memorial Day Labor Day in
September of Labor Day, right?
Yeah, something Those are Labor
Day weekend and then I didn't
ask her.
I didn't want to be hounding him
like to get the box.
I didn't even know what you got
them right at first and then it
was like a month later, October
mid-october.
And I was sitting working on my
couch and I looked on the
podcast and I saw behind like
two water, bottles, the corner
of a black ash tray and then I
caught another angle and I was
like holy shit.
That's The foundation ashtray is
in between the gas detect like
right in the middle of the
table, detect them a little over
beeboo, beeboo.
And then I went back to every
podcast and found when the
ashtray first appears.
And then, it wasn't until
November, they had like a It was
election time at that time, so
they had like a Saturday
election podcast just in prompt
podcast and that was the first
time he took the pox out no
shit.
And then from that point on,
he's just been awesome.
Like, just shouting this out.
So do at some point.
So, did he reach out to you?
If you guys become friends?
Yeah, at one point, he hit me up
via Instagram and was just, hey,
man, thank you so much for the
For the cigars are amazing.
I love them.
I was thinking about getting it,
human Ward.
You have any suggestions, and I
already had made him a humidor.
I had Eli blue.
Do a hand in mode.
Shit.
Yeah here.
So, I had it already.
So I was like, yo, I got you
Joe.
I sent them that logo on the top
of the humidor, it was Using for
the and then I was like this,
he's like Speedy scotches, he
likes heavy, like spicy
barbecue.
You do you like the wise man
Maduro blend.
So then I made him his own
kinetic properties blend with
his logo, huh?
And he's just been and then I
got them, you know, eventually
he's been getting into it more.
Last year, I got them a humidor
for the for the studio but you
see in the studio Vo, on the
left corner, back side is
there's a humidor so he can put
boxes and the ashtrays there and
it's been there for like three
years for you.
Did he ever hit you with the
bill?
I mean, she's no man.
He's been awesome.
Get the fuck.
I finally got to hang out with
them in after Thanksgiving this
year.
I was I had a wedding in Arizona
and then I had to go to Tampa,
they had some cigar Festival,
the first week of December, so I
had two days and I just stopped
and Austin because he was
playing a small Club so I'm like
let me go check it out and then
he ended up finding out.
I was in the audience and he
sent the friend to come get me
and bring me back stage and We
hung out like a bunch of
comedians for like three hours.
That's fantastic, dude, I love
that.
That's a great fucking story.
Doesn't ask for, you know, I
think I am forever indebted for
this guy.
It's like, you're a good dude.
I'm a good, dude.
Let's be good.
Dudes.
And dock together some shit.
That's funny.
Yeah, awesome.
So I make this cigar Farm but
hit cigar.
I don't have any, you know,
we've never talked about selling
it or I can't use it alone.
Go, go.
So this is, you know, people
keep hitting me up but I'm like,
you got to ask, you know, he's
the guy to ask, of course, I
would love to do it, right?
But, you know, I'm a cure for
him right now.
He, he smokes it but time I
can't start, you know, it's an
argument.
It's a market.
You're missing out here on an
opportunity.
Yeah.
I hear you but I think he's got
so much going on there.
You know what I mean?
The fact that he hit me up on
Instagram, sometimes it's
awesome.
You know, it's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean realistically even if you
partnered up with him and there
was a fucking when he got the
check for the commission, he
like, what that's it?
Where's your?
Yeah?
That's fucking awesome dude.
So your office is open.
Office is open, man.
Yeah, so why there is there a is
a human bowling if I need is
there something cool?
Or is it what is it?
You took tobacco farm.
I mean that's cool.
Is there an active user about
300 acre?
Parcel is that, is there a
Highclere, Castle Highclere
Castle?
What is it?
Here's how correct answer, fine.
Oh, that's cool.
But you need a secret handshake
to get full of 248.
Oh, it's probably loaded with
Joe Rogan's and for the kid you
guys get the cigars medicine.
Not yet.
I mean, you know, we've talked
about this last week if you had
shipped him out when we were
talking about it.
Yes, who would have them?
Let's be honest, she's on you,
today's a holiday.
Hi.
It's A Hard Day's, a holiday.
No mail, no banking, no,
nothing.
You gotta think.
We're in look, Meg.
You got to think these things
all the way through brother, you
know what I mean?
But I didn't realize, but I hope
you sent.
I hope you sent to oh, wow.
I love it.
It's about a bunch of things.
I feel like you're trying to
give yourself some space and
time during PCA, so I won't.
I won't harass you.
Yeah, I am already covered the
goodies back the fuck up.
I will see you the way it should
have been there.
I sensitive to day.
They should have been there
that, you know.
So, you know, it's really kind
of funny.
So I'm not going to say which
cigar but I had I had a
gracefully pursued you at PCA,
for a cigar and eventually you
folded, and you gave me that
cigar, which I'm very grateful
for and thank you very much.
That's very nice of you after we
had had that conversation.
I had ran in Somebody and
they're like, check out what
Nick gave me and they pull out
fucking Joe Rogan.
Cigar of like motherfuck.
I can't go back to this guy
right now and hit him up.
I just got him for the one, you
know, asked for the wrong way.
So she a she so yeah, I
shouldn't I shouldn't say this
on the podcast, but when I am
out and about, I usually have If
some on me.
So somebody?
Yeah.
Nick looking for.
Well, he, I know where to find
them.
Is in the office.
It's, yeah, it's gotta fly to
Connecticut.
You'll hide in the bunker.
Oh yeah, yes.
Well, Palmer's not, I'm not
going this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got a Connecticut.
That's fucking ridiculous, bro.
I'm gonna tell you, right?
Yeah, yeah.
What do you got in there?
I don't want to tell you.
I want.
I like get a by nigga.
What are you doing this blender?
Pennsylvania.
Broadleaf ocean.
Yeah, I was gonna do Brazilian
out of Fina but that idea was
already taken.
I love my dafina.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a good Connecticut with
model Fina.
It's not a penis stuff.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
It was done.
It was done.
Well, in this Connecticut that I
tried, I'm sure you've heard of
it.
I'd like to try.
Yeah, I'm going.
Yeah, I'll bring you what
Samantha met last week on
Thursday.
Yeah, they're all in the mail as
a are probably.
Didn't even send you the
tracking uh ya know, everybody
use the old office and that's
probably what happened.
Oh shit.
And you have to know that.
I don't know.
We don't have the address for
the office.
Yeah.
Well we look forward to trying
them.
So there we have to get you up
here to Connecticut at some
point.
I will go, I will go.
We're just getting settled in
over here.
Okay.
Now this is very strong.
It's gonna go aren't you.
Mikey can move furniture.
Big boxes.
Yeah, he's very strong.
He does he looks strong.
He does he passionately face a
lot, two to three employees
depending on today's him.
You read through the shop.
I know the shop is pretty much
the same.
You know, there's been some
little ads, you know, as you
kind of progress, you make
modifications and stuff.
But nothing over time he was
here last.
Yeah, you know, we've added like
a cigar Hustler, neon light kind
of photo area, I think the
lounge was done with.
Oh, yeah, we do have a private
Lounge downstairs now which is
fantastic, which you would
reject that studio looks badass.
Thank you.
Yeah, the studio is fantastic.
Like, if you came to town and
you said, hey, let's do a thing.
What I would do with you is we
would do a private event
downstairs and it would be
ticketed.
Yeah.
So, you know, pet rock, people
would have to pre commit to the
purchases and then anybody
that's a member they get, the
cigars, will we pay for the
cigars for them and you get to
hang out.
It's a little more intimate,
it's a little less pedal e and a
little more intimate.
So it's we do them.
I don't know once every quarter
and it's pretty cool.
All right.
Then a puppy.
Yeah, that's the way to do it.
I like the the ticketed event.
Yeah.
What's that?
So we'll pencil you in then, all
right.
Only when we come happen, I
can't talk to him about it.
Do you know what's difficult?
It is a challenge for me like
traveling to different areas
because people people get so
upset.
But her didn't visit them, you
know what I mean?
Sir, I would go into an area and
then end up You know, you can
only you can only do so much to
see so many hours in the day,
right?
And then people just end up
getting offended and It's crazy.
It's kind of intense sometimes,
I think that it depends.
I think that there's variables
there, you know, like, if you're
going to go to a town and people
have always been in direct
communication with you and
you've told other people know,
and then you show up to one
event, then I'm, yeah, I feel
like they have a right to be
upset.
But if that if they said, hey,
if they never reach out to and
said, hey, let's do something
and you popped in and you did
something with another store.
It's like, bro, you didn't want
it, you've never Ever mention,
you've never, you know, you
never open up the checkbook to
put it together.
It's not my fault that shit,
your fault, if they're yeah.
And it's also the sales rep in
the team responsibility to
manage expectations.
And then also put together a
plan that makes that would make
sense and you have low
expectations with alfredo, I get
it, we all have low expectations
with alfredo, you know, it's
amazing.
I'm afraid, it has really come
come to the plate and the big
count it.
Especially this past year.
Yeah.
Why you don't see him?
No, I think.
You know what, you're probably.
100%.
Correct.
I think the only brand that he
talks about is yours.
So I guess now you're gonna get
me in trouble if I want.
As far as is concerned and he
does order these things.
So it was your good only talks
about conversation.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it's true.
I don't think I do.
You know what does it carries?
Go tell D on that.
Yeah, hey, so who's your Florida
retailers have no idea.
Most of it's not a job.
I think I would have lost.
I mean, it's a tough job, it's a
troche asleep.
You Garcia visit have to have
the well the broker is broker
position is the worst job
because you build up the brand
enough, they fucking fire you
And we don't need you anymore.
Yeah, I don't know about that
one.
I think that happens sometimes.
But then I also just think what
happens is eventually a conflict
of interest between what the
wreck?
See, I don't think that's the
case.
I think it's there and listen,
it is the case in some, I think
it's a case-by-case basis,
right?
It depends on who it is, but it
also becomes as Company is
growing, it requires more time
and more effort and more
planning and there's a lot more
responsibilities, right?
Yeah.
And yeah.
And that be for the position.
So we got a fuel the growth.
What what their you gotta pay
less for the position.
So you got a few little girl.
Got to pay for the new offices
and think conquers Alfredo.
Yeah, your days are numbered
days.
Are numbered are this number,
they're talking about somebody
else.
Mostly meet the in-store.
Wrap a foundation in office.
Foreigners, aren't you doing
your job?
You're you're good to go?
I'm sure your dude, I got to
admit, you're probably one of
the fairest people to work for.
I can't see you being other than
that, you know what I mean for,
as knowing you as long as I've
known you, you just don't seem
like a ruthless prick that's
looking at fucking numbers.
Just the numbers, you know?
No, I guess I'm around in.
You're doing your job for oil to
the job because as you want, you
know, I mean It takes so much
work to be successful in this
industry.
Yeah, so you know it's I want to
be treated just like anybody
else would want to be treated.
I mean I put myself in in the
rep shoes and you know, I
wouldn't want to build something
and then you know, be let go,
let go.
So I'm loyal to the game you
know, to to the work ethic and
you know, wraps don't want to be
burnt.
You know, they want to get paid
for accounts, they're servicing
the same thing with brand
owners.
They don't want to be paying
grabs who were not doing their
job and visiting account, right?
Right because because we can do
that ourselves, right?
We don't need a middle person to
push a paper.
You a third party.
And then to the final consumer,
I mean, to the, to the shop.
I mean, what's the point?
You know, you can hand.
We can handle that right from
the office.
That's why, you know, I choose
search.
The touches are so important.
Yeah, we need, you know, we need
the Reps to be out there seeing
you.
That's why it is, you know, it's
important for him to walk
through your door.
At least once a quarter.
I mean, yes or no.
I could argue the other side I
think so.
I think that if if they're
accessible and you know, they're
on the up and up and kind of
communicating you what's new,
what's going on?
And that sort of thing, I don't
necessarily need to see them.
Richard, I agree.
It's servicing the account,
right?
As long as the you feel like,
maybe you as an account feel
that way, you know, but I think
a lot of times accounts don't
they don't want conflict so they
don't even express it, right?
And then they kind of talked
behind they'll never say it
directly, right?
But they're really not happy
with the rap but they'll never
say it but who doesn't want to,
you know, have a visit A
planned, visit scheduled and be
properly presented information
professionally.
Maybe sometimes you're too much
of a friendly relationship that
happens and the but then
customers, you know, I know
customers that get really
friendly with the rep.
They're joking around
everybody's lost in balls but
then when it comes down to
business they get all worked up
right then.
They feel disrespected because
they're not being true, then get
presented because the
relationship has become too
comfortable.
Yeah.
Because our industry.
This is the thing that our
imagery, the lines get blurred
so quick.
Like, you know, you know, from
when I started, I hired, you
know, close friends.
It was tough, I'm a different
person.
Nick, when I'm cap wearing the
Hat of Nick Foundation,
president of the foundation
compared to Nick, who's not
working or is not, you know,
worried about work or
responsibilities and
responsibilities for work.
Read the different meant.
Yes, a completely different.
Nick.
Yeah.
So but it's the rub job to know
that hey you can bullshit and
and do all those things and have
that good friendship but you
still got to be on point with
everything else, right?
Gotta be on point.
Yeah.
Hey, this is what's going on.
Here's where we're at, you know?
Or if the company has done
something differently or there's
different requirements, where
they got to be able to convey
that information immediately.
Hey Liz, we had a change or, you
know, so yeah.
That means not going into the
shop all the time or you don't
want to see a rep once a
quarter.
Okay, that's cool.
As long as you feel that you're,
you know, you're being getting
the proper service and right and
what you need, right?
And the Reps bringing value, I
mean the whole thing is right.
Bring them value.
You gotta bring value.
Otherwise it just doesn't make,
it doesn't make sense.
Alfredo brings Bill Eminem's.
So let's evaluate can't figure
out first one minute.
He's saying that there's
necessary.
And the other things like, well,
maybe not for mine.
No, I'll create.
I told you I was in town with
him recently and you know, he
told me numbers, he told us that
we've had growth and stuff like
that with your brand I'm like,
okay, cool.
So that's cool.
Yeah, so yeah me be able to talk
about numbers and broke and
that's it.
Here's where you're at.
Because what we're doing.
Here's what I'd like to see you
focus on whatever.
You know, those things are.
Those conversations are
important whether they're on the
phone or in person, right?
I'll tell you, one of my best
reps.
He he was a rep for a company
that's correct that most of his
career was working as a rep for
one company and I think he was a
manager for a territory for one
company.
I've noticed that experience has
definitely helped his role as an
independent breath, right?
Because he's been able to see
directly.
What?
One cigar, cut the brand owner
requires and needs then they
sent yep.
What also, I think that
experience adds perspective.
Sure.
And Those lifelong relationships
that he's cultivated is also
extremely helpful for any brand
lyrics on.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Because at the end of the day,
if I love the rep and the guy,
you know, leaves the company and
starts a new company or starts
working with a new company, you
just pick it up.
Hey, I'm going to, okay, let's
cool if this is something that's
for you.
Now, we'll start working on
this, right?
Yeah, that's very common in this
industry PBS and I think it also
depends on the brand right
equipment.
The brand is sustainable
sustainability?
Well, yeah, because at the end
of the day, the retailer can
show somebody the cigar once
maybe twice.
And then after that, it's got to
kind of stand on its own.
So if it's shit, you're not
going to move it.
Yeah, yeah true.
I mean that's what I've been
trying to drive, you know,
traffic to also the final
consumer and also to maybe
different.
You know, that's why they're
Rogan thing is interesting
because hopefully it's opening
up.
Yeah, world of handmade cigars
to people that don't normally
smoke, right?
I mean I'd say I got our
industry always struggled with
yeah because you know before
this whenever I listen to Rogen
from time to time, all I heard
was, you know hey what do you
smoke?
So all you know he was if he's
interviewing someone I like
those Romeo and Julieta has.
I'm like fuck.
Yeah.
Cuz that's what Ron White.
Yep.
That was exactly the interview.
That was the internet with my
God.
Damn.
What it?
What is going on here?
Somebody slap this man.
Yeah tater salad needs to be
kind of?
No cigars a little bit but
they're just like getting into
it, right?
One of his friends, Robert
Kelly's, another comedian.
He is a big.
He was the one that was on with
cry.
True.
You know you can tell from first
he kind of knows, he doesn't
really know but they're they're
they're getting, they're getting
into it.
But Robert Kelly knows, cigars
You know, really well compared
to, I think the other guys.
But you know, that's the hope
that they kind of, you know, get
into a little bit more, learn
more educate themselves, more
and hopefully, turn more people
people on Karen.
And I think that's what happens
a lot of times with celebrity
cigars and what You know, they
don't really work a lot of times
because they don't end up
tapping into the celebrities fan
base really right.
You know, they kind of stay in
the cigar World fan base and to
Cigar smokers it's kind of like
okay George Clooney's.
Got a cigar fact that, you know,
George Clooney doesn't know
tobacco, right?
You know like what the fuck.
It doesn't really translate
right.
But then we don't do well in
bringing in yeah you know their
other There.
I think their fan base and then
they're afraid.
Maybe because it's tobacco and
blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah.
Yeah, I think that was the
interesting thing with Metallica
whatnot because I think they're
really penetrating the Metallica
fan base, which I think is good.
Yeah, whether you like it or
not, or but I think that's,
you know, I think it's an
interesting thing because that
is a rough, that that might be
difficult because the blend is
not particularly a blend, I
think for new smoker, so that
might be rough.
But that I think is overall It
or smokers for that mean, what
are they all that?
We mean what what?
What do I mean?
I fucking hated this girl, those
terrible, right?
How do you tap in?
Yeah yeah I thought it was
terrible.
Go ahead sorry to hear that
that's one of those cigars that
hey you can sell something new
right, you can sell them once.
I've never had somebody come in
and say hey you know what, I
really love that black and kind
of get a box.
I just haven't had it.
I'm sure those people exist.
Yeah, but I don't have that
grammar.
So yeah, whatever around there,
I think somewhere and so you're
so positive, you're so positive.
Well maybe, did they get into
it?
Maybe they spoke another cigar.
Yeah, that's what your whole
bar, right?
Your whole back to it.
Yeah, yeah.
Hoping to expand the consumer of
the cigar industry.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Do you think that happened over
covid?
Do you think that was part?
No, of the covid.
Boom.
Or it was more just people
having more time and they were
just smoking laughs.
Well, I guess maybe a little bit
of both, but more of the ladder
You know what's really kind of
remarkable is if if you don't
like it's you know if you start
smoking a cigar because you're
bored or whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe it's very small percentage
of those people stick, right?
But the reality is that, I think
that the camaraderie really is
where the things that Dynamic
changes, right?
Right.
So if you took that away and you
didn't have that ability, you
know, if you didn't know the
zoom calls and all this other
shit going on.
And you just tried cigars, you
probably didn't stick it
through, right?
But If you want to, if a cigar
shop was open, you want to try
something to you.
Smoke, a cigar, and you hung out
with a couple of people in like,
hey, I didn't need to get
shit-faced drive home and get
scared worried about driving
home, get a DUI or kill
somebody.
You know, but I got to hang out
smoke cigar bullshit with some
cool people.
I'll definitely be back, that's
where that consumer is new and
kind of built on, right.
So, so that's the, that was the
one Pitfall with covid, so my
purse.
Yeah.
But you don't have that.
Yeah, you didn't have that kind
of force smoking like crazy.
Yeah, what time?
Yeah yeah.
More time.
Or money stimulus text Baby.
Right let's go.
Let's go, one more ounce temples
fucking what's inflation?
Who cares.
All right, Behavior.
You know, I'm already.
I've already kept no longer than
I promised, that I would keep
you on.
I just, I want to add one other
question real quick and we'll
let you go.
Have you announced anything for
PCA?
Is there anything that you want
to talk about briefly, that
you're going to be released
releasing?
Yeah, go ahead and do anything
else with a leather football
helmet, that's going to surprise
surprise.
Everybody taste really fucking
the Charter Oak.
Especially alleys, which I did
in in homage.
To my grandfather's.
So it's a Connecticut broadly.
It's in the shape of the
traditional size of the
Connecticut cigars of all.
That's a five-and-a-half like 48
softbox, press, they're
completely different blends of
the Charter, Oak or line.
The core line would have been
the core line of Charter.
Oak is really online for my
grandfather's, which I never
really talk about, but because
they used to smoke all different
types of Connecticut.
Brands that used to be produced
here and those sort of faded
away at the end of the 90s.
So Charter Oak Woods.
The creation to kind of fill
that pipeline of every day, you
know, could smoke.
And so they would have been
smoking those one light shade
and the other like broadly.
So this is like a special
occasion Charter Oak, completely
different.
Blend uses a lot of higher
priming tobacco's, you know, be
Zoe's deadly arrows, whereas the
Charter Oak, the core line uses
more milder say go.
And fees o, Province and some
illegal to keep that price point
down because of the blend.
So these are these are going to
be a limited quarterly release
is to special same size Special
Blend, okay?
So those will be coming out in
the fall and we got some treats
coming out.
We got an announcement coming
out this week and then next
week, you said ago, The sent the
Senator Senator, we're going to
be actually re-releasing in
November just for November, it's
going to be a one-time annual
release because there's been so
many people that wanted it.
So we're going to do it one time
a year for the anniversary of
the discovery of King Tut which
is every November.
Okay, so we're going to do about
500 boxes every November and
keep it as an annual release.
I do will be making that
announcement Before the show to
and then I got, I got a special.
You just did?
I got a new?
Just did.
Oh yeah, coming out.
And then I have a really special
Tabernacle that I'm going to do
for Cherry.
So it's going to be a special
charity release.
So, some working on starting a
new 501, c 3 for charity.
So, very good.
You're not You have waste of
money so it's going to be super,
super high-end Tabernacle $75.
Once the gun, the Moses probably
need more around the route 40 or
50.
Is it a box press?
I know.
Now yeah, I've been doing a lot
with the Box press all the same.
As you can see that new Salamone
called King.
Stop running over him.
Okay.
Like the Solomons, Adam.
I like yeah, I'm working with
Sumatra Ecuador for my nail for
Line.
This is a bit becoming a thing
is if the hybrid No, this is
straight-up Sumatra Ecuador.
You know I've worked with it
behind the scenes for many
years.
I just never come out with
anything on it.
So tough rap early, use with it.
It's really interesting.
It's very unique has a very
unique flavor profile, but it
was on one of the one of my most
favorite cigars of all time
which was a specific year. 96
putos, India's, that was It was
one of my favorite cigars of all
time.
Okay, that year, they had a lot
of problems after 96 and it all
went to shit.
But that was to this day one of
the best cigars that I smoke and
I within the past couple of
years found out that the blend
was with using Sumatra Ecuador.
So I kind of tried to recreate
that in my mind.
In a blender.
So, I'm excited about it.
Nice very nice.
All right.
Cool.
Well, anything else you want to
plug before we let you go?
Smoke Foundation, cigars.
I appreciate you guys.
It's always good talking to you.
We will at some point make the
in-person happen. / come.
I can't wait to see you at the
show.
Let's try to maybe hang out and
talk before.
It's pure Madness.
Sounds like a plan.
When are you guys getting it
seventh?
Chabot.
Yep.
Ty 7.
All right.
Well, maybe we'll try to have a
cigar around me.
The bar the Center Bar or
whatever.
I like it, and you smoke anymore
over there.
I guess we can't.
I think why couldn't you can
only smoke.
Well, I think last year that you
can only smoke around the
electronic poker games.
For some reason, that's the only
place they let they wouldn't let
me smoke it.
The tables and whatnot, which
sucks, but they let us move to
the bar.
I smoked that all the time.
Tools and you can't smoke in the
hallway.
Okay.
That I know generates fluid to
generate smoke.
Yeah, I know you can't smoke a
cigar the hallway, but if you
need to get a hooker in cocaine
that can be arranged relatively
quickly over it's loud.
You know, perfectly acceptable?
Yeah, Alfredo is good for that,
I understand.
Yeah, if you need the number
one, number one sales rep.
Yeah, that's what he's gonna
hold that as a badge of, I can't
tell where this guy's Serious
about love that.
I love being at your being here.
Be here in person, right?
Yeah.
I will, I'll be.
I love Alfredo.
I just wanted, I love Alfredo
but sometimes man conversation
is a good dude.
He is a good, dude.
He is a good man.
A good man.
Stop Fredo from Old San Juan.
That's his nickname.
I like that.
I call him.
I call them our Alfredo from
Ortega.
Which is he's gone or take it.
I have them saved under my phone
as Alfredo Ortega Kristoff,
which he no longer wraps either
one of those.
Oh my God, that's how long I've
known Alfredo the girl.
Yeah, he rapped Crystal.
Yeah, you don't want.
Yeah, amazing.
All right guys.
Well thanks for having me on and
I look forward to seeing you at
this year.
All right, Nicholas, thanks.
Thanks brother.
All right, be good.
You can talk to him for four
hours.
Yeah.
I mean you could have just kept
going and there would be no Lull
in the conversation.
He would just keep talking well
information.
Yeah.
I mean, Well, dude, he is
fucking smart.
You know what I mean?
Is it was he?
I don't know.
It's probably our age.
Maybe Mikey little older and I
know, we're running short time.
I have one story I have to do
and we have to do his fun facts
because he has his new intro,
alright?
So let's do this.
What we can have a little girl
later who gives a shit.
I know we can but I mean, I
don't want to run a whole seven
pages in his control, will keep
it ends at an hour and a half,
Max?
Okay.
You got, you know, I already won
/.
I'm ready?
Welcome to Cigar Hustlers
podcast feature.
Fills, fun facts.
Yes, that's where you start
talking.
This is great.
That was a great intro that AI
or sometimes appreciate you.
Yeah, the voiceless, yeah.
All right, fellas, the First
Independent.
Cigar brand established in Cuba
was anybody?
Hold on, hold on.
Quest to Monterey.
Cabanas, founded by Francisco
Cabanas and 1797 the company
lasted until 1962.
Then it was discontinued after
being nationalized by the
Revolutionary government of
Fidel Castro.
Wow, he just took it out of the,
this is mine.
She's Mine.
Everything is here.
Everything is mine.
We are communists.
It's very good.
That was great Palmer.
I appreciate that.
God, I'm glad you're glad you
liked it.
Thank you.
All right, I have to do this
because we have, we have some
stupid on door, Taro plans, the
salt of the earth for the PCA
2023 last year.
Don doroteo, do your news intro.
That's okay, well, four corners
of that door.
Terry of you to the PC, a
convention trade show with
cigars.
That company said, were aged for
more than 14 years prior to the
release this year, the company
will be back at the PCA
convention and trade show with a
line that uses some of the
Dominican Republic's, most
unique tobacco, it's very
unique, the company has two new
Blends that will be sold under
the salt of the earth.
Don doroteo, issued, a press
release.
That said, it was declining to
disclose details about the
Blends in, there's a typo and I
don't type things.
Oh, order order should be order
order to heighten the sense of
Discovery and anticipation,
leading to the BC a trade show.
What has disclosed that the
cigars will use and Below
tobacco that you say that and do
Mo ND U LL, o, and Delilah, and
dweller and Duelo and dweller
tobacco, it is only native to
the Dominican Republic.
And instead of Wrapped tightly
in large pods, they make like a
15 foot long burrito and then
wrap it in rope and help
compress.
The tobacco, even further, like
the Amazon basin.
The end result is something that
is more or less.
A large log of tobacco.
Yeah we're slices are cut off.
Oh as seen in a video and are
more commonly chewed or smoked
via pipes and Doula or whatever
you say it is more of a process
than a seed.
Varietal the weather something
that typically only found in
Dominican Republic and I Closing
where they made it.
Huh, but an exclusive quote, Oh,
Garrett.
Only release to the cigar
Hustlers podcast.
Gary Robinson was quoted as
saying I'm truly grateful and
excited.
You're covering this.
The salt of the earth line is a
cunt column on a la.
Now I can see the word.
Cool me.
See you L, am I in a tion
culmination, culmination.
Thank you, I get screwed up
again.
Oh my God.
Combination of Legacy.
Time-honored tradition and
Innovation, we're over the moon.
Moon excited to share them with
everyone at the PCA.
Hmm, Garrett.
Make sure you give the 14 music
combination Palmer.
Get we will get you in.
I'm making a list.
Just two guys.
It'll be a good luck with that,
that works.
You know what last summer?
Give me loose.
You got me everything on the
list, but like to because I
don't want to disappoint you, I
know, but I'm going to set the
parameter of, Hey, listen,
there's there's boots and the
Three Amigos going around.
Certainly, they can Three
Amigos.
That's, I'm going them down to
her of Gaza.
The, the Buffalo 50.
The buff the Buffalo 50, I like
that.
Better buffalo. 12050 Buffalo
12.
I'm excited for that by the way.
Yeah.
I like I like the cigar I will
be last year's.
I know it's a little that was
our favorite cigar from last
year.
I thought it was amazing.
Yeah, that was a teepee.
Oh, that was TPB.
Okay, well, I shall we went to
Fantastic cigar right.
Done.
Dorrit.
A your time out.
Cigars time out.
I do know that we take a break.
See a break.
All right, America's largest
cigar retailers prepare to stop
shipments to Hawaii next month.
Oh yeah, this is a thing to do
recently passed a law to with
the largest cigar retailers in
u.s. say they They will stop
shipping cigar customers.
And why beginning, July 1st
2023, cigars are National JR.
Cigars famous smoke shop.
Three of the largest retailers
in the world will stop shipping
to Hawaii.
A move that will likely, cause
most of the competitors to
follow suit.
All this is because in response
to SB 975, a recently passed a
law in Hawaii, that purportedly
aims to cut down on youth
vaping, the law introduced
changes to the rules regarding
shipping tobacco, and vaping
products to addresses and why
including the law that the It
requires a retailer to get a
license according to a source.
The way the law is currently
written.
You can only get a license if
you were in Hawaii.
Okay.
So I'm understanding right.
Got it.
You want to sell today.
If you want to sell tobacco, and
why you have to have a license
that says, you saw the back in
Hawaii but you can't get it.
Unless you're in the light.
If I'm Chris Duke a right now,
I'm just, I'm like, on buying
everything because it's t.i.,
will have a license.
Oh yeah, I will facilitate
Instead of those pull-ups, he
was doing the other day.
I was like yeah paperwork and
can eat some donuts, you know
right?
Yeah.
What's in the box?
He get at that.
Question to be asked multiple
times a day.
All right, what's in the box?
Yeah hmm that's why he's doing a
price increase.
Little late to the game and our
Florida story.
Oh yeah.
Congratulations Florida.
All the beaches to hang out in
your birthday suit.
To of yours made a very special
list for 20, 20, 30, best nude
beaches in the world.
So do you Florida have made the
best nude beaches and the world.
Yeah.
And did you go to investigate
know but you can't one of them
is local.
I want to hear.
I was aware that didn't end up
at 8:00, just say the name, nice
even tan.
It's when we're brand poor me
for me in French releases.
Best nude beaches in the world
last May of twenty ha ha 20:23
have May the best nude beaches
where they like to say dare to
go bare finished.
On top ahead of new beaches and
Brazil, Spain and Greece.
So the first one is play Linda
over by Space Coast.
Ah, wow.
And then the news gets better
because a second, Florida.
Nude beach was recognized coming
in at number 2. 2000 number 20
is Playland.
I'm sorry.
Revard County.
The other one is a beach in
Miami and then one in where's
the other one?
It was three.
What constitutes all their new
beach in the world made list was
the San Francisco beach.
Okay.
So what constitutes it being the
best, the best I think it's
Beach quality because I don't
think a lot of new beaches are
good so kind of the kind of
dumpy.
Yeah there's like okay you can
go down there by the junk that
washes you could go been naked
over here, right?
You can be naked over there.
We don't want the public to go,
gotcha their activities
volleyball, ring ring toss.
We're going to bring down the
beach with your rings.
You just Choose right, sorry
food trucks, they have blue
truck for what I've heard about
play Linda.
It's not really the kind of
people you want to see making
hmm.
I would assume that you're not
beach is not like yeah, it's not
the, you know, the Playboy
models or the Sports Illustrated
swimsuit models running around.
Yeah, it's Grandpa.
Yeah, just doesn't wear pants at
home.
Either is like you know what, if
I don't have someone in my
crotch brother?
No, it's good fine.
What's in this box?
The Box.
This box.
In this box we have a not open.
This box.
Just has a lovely face on here
and lovely face.
They're, yeah, lovely face
everywhere.
Yes, this is from our friend
leonie Lenny and Rowley, R.
Yeah.
Lisa, Collier cigars.
He was doing a Facebook live
last week and I was the only one
in my life.
Yeah.
So apparently I want a prize
would be.
Let's see what we got here.
We got from old Lenny here.
You know, I carefully, I gotta
tell you.
I like the prizes.
I like my good friend Lenny.
Is a fucking awesome guy.
He is remember what he did.
Last time we were there, I do.
That was, that was very nice.
What did he do?
He had some SD Dupont, that was
about to tell that story.
Well please sorry you guys.
So there was an STD pond liner
that I really liked it.
Actually, injecting was only was
orange and black and it reminded
me of my father.
Oh yeah.
So that's why I kind of
gravitated towards it because my
dad would always talk about this
Stingray that he had this court.
Well, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah I didn't get the orange
connection first one hour.
Yeah.
Well, it was pumpkin orange,
but, you know, but for whatever
reason, this lighter kind of
triggered in my mind.
I'm like, wow, that's really
badass.
That's very cool.
And then, you know, a few weeks
later, he sent it to me Realty.
We were then o, he shipped out
any shipping.
Yeah, wow, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
Hey, we have cats.
Oh, ladies out on the table.
I said it on the paper.
Yeah, as long as you go, as long
as we look at this, look at
only, huh.
Give me 30.
No, there's more there's more.
Fantastic.
I love that hat.
We have a note.
Rocket hats feels the best.
I can't wait for this note.
Look, look at all the goodies.
We have.
Oh, a lighter for you.
Oh, look at that.
Hey, Lenny approved cutter for
you.
Very nice.
We have a lighter for me.
Oh, A cutter.
I also got a cutter.
He's wanted by far.
One of the fucking best guys in
the industry is that's believing
that was that was that was felt
of this left.
We have two regular Lenny
stickers.
To reflective Lenny's news graph
Holograms, right?
Oh to for st.
Patrick's Day, a festive,
holidays governor do for
Christmas.
Oh, the fucking gifts keep
coming and to for Easter Easter
ones.
There's Palmer I'm sending this
to you, please share with Mike
step as well.
He tried to spell stuff like
everyone.
I think about every lever for
the alphabet on it.
I'm very sorry.
You never got a hat.
Unlike some and, like some
assholes.
I recognize the importance of
proper headgear.
Excellent.
He's trying to get one from
tens, I know.
So that's nice.
Thank you.
Lenny, very nice.
Lenny here, Matt nice.
It's a nice not to have never
received you to recognize good
head wear headgear know.
This has a punch, this is nice.
It just so when he's Where if I
was Terrence, I would give him a
hat.
I like when they have the little
Windows, you can see it went out
of fuel and yeah, it's nice.
Very nice.
That is a good dude is.
And these are the idiot proof
that there are times where I'll
just call any just to talk.
Yeah.
And you know, we'll have an hour
conversation that the guy
fucking makes me laugh so hard
sometimes.
I'm like, I'm gonna piss myself.
Like I have I have started to
cry, sometimes it's obvious.
He's a very funny, man.
Some of the shit that he says,
like, I'm sorry to tell my stop.
I'm fucking tearing up, man.
It's hilarious.
I was that was nice.
Thank you, Lynn.
In like we're right on time.
Yeah.
Well, I guess shop of the week
would be out earlier that.
Oh yeah.
Chef of the week and listen to
the we and listen or the week
would be money.
Jeb of the week Ally or cigars,
Arizona, rains and Arizona,
listen of the week Lenny and
Smeagol Schlegel in Arizona,
hmm?
Right.
And what forefinger?
Fred your father for?
Well, he's got a new dog Lenny.
Oh, does he yeah?
Yeah.
His name is like, it's like Luca
or something.
Luca.
Yeah.
But I call him Henry.
And so whenever you post, Just
just throw it over there, take
it away.
Whenever he posts, I always yell
of the dial Henry in all caps,
it's a very nice.
Yeah.
So, all right, what we got next
week?
Anybody we call it.
Anybody on the phone?
Next week.
We are who we calling.
Are we really?
Yeah.
Oh God.
Alex Alex Trebek, Alex Trebek,
he's dead.
No, Alex from Aroma craft nigga?
Sueño operation?
Oh, are we really?
Yeah, he hit me with the message
that he's like.
Hey, let me Do you have any
questions about anything that he
could run by the skipper?
Whatever.
I'm like, fuck.
Now, dude.
I'm not giving you anything.
I'm going to ask some questions
and we're going to see how you
do.
You may or may not be employed
afterwards.
It's time.
You put him to the test.
It all depends on how you
respond and answer.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's going to be like, so how
is it working with Skip?
It's going to be honest, is he
gonna guess this is car?
Take?
Yeah.
So how often do you rotate the
tires, does he beat you?
You know, like I want to know.
I gotta I'm going to ask the
hard question, make you feel The
monkeys.
Yeah.
Do you have to go to the House
and Senate on this Earth?
Are you in church?
Picking up the poop now for
Buster.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's it like walking Buster.
Funny.
All right, it's been a sewed 286
with cigar Hustler podcast.
Wow, bye.
Thank you.
Bye.
Show Notes
Episode 286: Interview with Nick Melillo of Foundation Cigars - Becoming Joe Rogan's Cigar Guy
Join the Cigar Hustlers Podcast hosts in this exciting episode as they sit down with Nick Melillo, the founder of Foundation Cigars, for an exclusive interview. In this engaging conversation, Nick shares his fascinating journey of how he met Joe Rogan and became his trusted cigar guy.
Nick takes us back to the beginnings of their friendship and the shared passion for cigars that brought them together. Discover the story behind their initial encounter and the memorable moments that solidified their bond over their love for premium cigars.
Learn about the cigars that have captivated Joe Rogan's palate and the role Nick plays in curating an exceptional cigar experience for him. Delve into the process of selecting the perfect cigars to complement different occasions and moods, and gain valuable tips on cigar pairing and appreciation from Nick himself.
Whether you're a fan of Joe Rogan, a cigar enthusiast, or simply curious about the behind-the-scenes connections that shape the cigar industry, this episode is a must-listen. Join the Cigar Hustlers Podcast as they unravel the story of how Nick Melillo became Joe Rogan's trusted cigar guy and the impact it has had on both their lives.
Tune in to Episode 286 of the Cigar Hustlers Podcast and explore the fascinating world of cigars and friendship with Nick Melillo and Joe Rogan.