Cigar Hustlers Podcast 349 You've Gone To Far

Episode Summary

Episode 349 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast opens with Mike "The King" Szczepankiewicz and Mike "BDP" Palmer (national sales manager for Posiya Cigars) in a long, comedic personal segment — a Buccaneers preseason game, whether the economy is actually in a recession based on how packed Hobby Lobby and Target are, and an epic saga involving a dealership service department, a five-to-seven day diagnostic wait, and a nightmare rental car hunt through Enterprise. Mike's wife Brittany even calls in to defend herself over the 360-degree backup camera story and to recount the family's rained-out, lightning-struck trip to Volcano Bay.

The centerpiece is a phone call with William "Coop" Cooper of Cigar Media King, who pushes back on the hosts' criticism of Casey Johnson's poorly lit, in-truck interview on Bear's show. The three debate where the line is between fair media critique and nitpicking: Cooper argues audio matters more than video to listeners and that the industry has bigger problems, while the hosts contend that brand reps and industry figures owe the consumer a decent presentation — a $20 light, a $10 mic, a tripod, or a DJI Osmo Pocket. The conversation extends to George Brightman-style lawn-chair appearances and other sloppy on-camera interviews, and Cooper largely concedes the point.

The news segment covers Christopher May leaving Rocky Patel Premium Cigars after 21 years as Director of Global Business Development to launch Christopher May Premium Cigars, an international sales and distribution consultancy whose first client is Esteban Carrera; Scandinavian Tobacco Group's Q2 2024 results (roughly $350 million in revenue, up 6.3%, driven by handmade cigars and next-gen nicotine products, plus the closed Mac Baren acquisition); a third Viaje White Label Project release called Szivar heading to select retailers at about $10.24 per cigar; Drew Estate's returning Sweet Jane Día de los Muertos and the Liga Privada 10 Año Selección de Mercado Corona Viva for Europe; and an Oscar Valladares Santiago Valladares Toro launching exclusively at Cigora. The show closes with Phil's Fun Facts on ancient Roman spintriae, a Florida-man style crime story, Shop of the Week Perfect Ash in Minnesota, and Listener of the Week Jason Wells.

In This Episode

1. 01
   Football, Recession Talk and Consumer Spending
   The hosts recap a Buccaneers preseason game and debate whether the economy is really in a recession when Hobby Lobby, Target and Home Depot are packed — and how pullback is hitting cigar retailers.
2. 02
   The Dealership and Rental Car Saga
   A five-to-seven day diagnostic wait, no loaner, and a runaround between Enterprise locations over a full-size SUV, ending with a Suburban and a call-in from Mike's wife Brittany.
3. 03
   Volcano Bay Washout
   Brittany recounts the family's trip to Volcano Bay being shut down by a tropical storm and a lightning strike inside the park.
4. 04
   Justin Andrews' Mystery Box
   Phil opens a package from Justin Andrews containing a Diesel lighter and cutter, prompting jokes about his lumberjack photo shoot.
5. 05
   William Cooper on Cigar Media Standards
   Coop calls in to defend Casey Johnson's dark in-truck interview on Bear's show, sparking a debate about lighting, audio, and how much production effort industry guests owe the consumer.
6. 06
   Phil's Fun Facts: Roman Spintriae
   Phil delivers a fact about ancient Roman sexual mores and the spintria tokens used in brothels.
7. 07
   Industry News: Christopher May, STG, Viaje and Drew Estate
   Christopher May exits Rocky Patel after 21 years to launch an international sales consultancy, STG posts a 6.3% Q2 revenue gain, Viaje adds a third WLP release, and Drew Estate brings back Sweet Jane Día de los Muertos.
8. 08
   Florida Story, Shop and Listener of the Week
   An Apple Watch domestic battery case out of Gulfport, plus Perfect Ash in Minnesota as Shop of the Week and Jason Wells as Listener of the Week.

Brands & Cigars Discussed

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Transcript

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You didn't have the music right. That's okay. Welcome to Cigar Hustlers Podcast, episode 349. recorded live at the mike and mike production studios in deltona florida this is cigar hustlers podcast the show where two guys share their passion for cigars business and life join mike the king step on kevich and his co-host mike bdp palmer national sales manager for posix cigars as they talk about the latest cigars news reviews and interview some of the most influential people in the cigar industry and me i'm your engineer and sound tech phil whether you're a seasoned If you listen to Fishing Hour, new to cigars, this podcast is for you, so sit back, relax, and light up a cigar with Cigar Hustlers Podcasts.

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So what are you doing? Who are you texting? I'm dealing with an order. Careful, you're going to burn the chair.

You're ashing hot ash onto the chair. That's fine. Do we have backups? Yeah, but apparently we're going to use one of these.

We are? We're having a guest. A special episode this Friday. Oh, yeah.

Yes. Bear is in town? Bear is in town, but he is at a work function and unable to attend, coming here. It looked like you were surprised at first, maybe not surprised.

I was super excited. I was too. Fuck yeah, dude. I was like, yay, Bear's here, we have Bear on the show, why we talk to Coop that we're going to call later in the show.

Would've been nice. Because it was his show we were defending. Yes. Right.

We were defending Bear. Yes. Well, you were, I just jumped on. - You get angrier than I do.

- Passionate. - Passionate. - I'm angry all the time. - I did go after George a couple of weeks ago.

- Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, if you look at the clips that we put on on social media, you're definitely way more aggressive than I am. - Oh, yeah. - I come across super chill.

- You do. - I'm very relaxed and you're like, Davidoff joins PCA, yay! - Yeah. - Yeah.

- And here I am just super like, yeah, yeah, four horsemen. - Oh, yeah, four horsemen of the apocalypse. - Yeah. - Yes.

The Davidoff. - The Davidoff. You are the Davidoff. Yeah.

You are the Davidoff. Yes. So, what'd you do, Michael? What did I do?

I did all sorts of things. Very busy men, huh? Very, very busy. We had basketball started again.

We did that. Yeah? You went to some nighttime football thing. I guess you're gonna get to that, though.

Sorry. I just happened to think of it. I saw a post your wife put up. Oh, no, it wasn't nighttime.

We went to Levi's football game. Is that what we're talking about? Oh, it looked like it was in the dark. It was a big screen in the background.

The Buccaneers game. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we went to the preseason Bucs game. Oh, nice. Yes, we did.

Was that Friday? Yeah. Oh. Mm-hmm.

Did they win? They did. Oh, actually, they look good, man. Do they?

Yeah. Was that guy still smoking your cigar? What guy? The guy you gave a cigar to.

I can't talk about him. No, I wasn't saying his name. He was about to. No, no, I was just saying the guy.

Right over there, Phil. No. I don't think he was on the field. I didn't see him on the field.

Oh, he's probably smoking in the locker room. Yeah, probably. Now he's addicted. Now he's got a problem?

They're not addictive. Yeah, that's what I say. Are their cigars addictive? No, no, they're not.

Now he's got a problem. Only the right cigars. Phil obviously was at the beach. Look at that tan that guy's got.

Yeah. Yeah, he was at the beach. Working, beach, yeah. Working at the beach?

No. I was working at home out on the hot sun. Oh. And then went to the beach.

Oh. So, Friday was the football game? Yes. We went with the Baldwins.

Oh, did you? Yeah. Oh, they were not in the photos? They weren't?

We took some nice pictures with them. I didn't see them. But it went well, you know, it was a preseason game, you know. How many, did your wife go too?

Yeah. Oh, so you got extra tickets? I always have four, I have four tickets. Oh, so just couples win, no children.

It was couples. Oh. It was a couples thing. Oh.

Well, Brittany doesn't get to really go to the games. Yeah, she doesn't go to many. So, we did a preseason thing. Right.

I don't feel like it was enough. Because... What do you mean enough? Well, you know...

Not enough of an evening for the matter? No, so like... Of an experience. That's the first thing that happens when you drive on fucking I-4 to Tampa, if it's an hour and a half supposed to be, it took us almost three hours to get there.

Yeah, it's terrible. So, because car accident, car accident, rain, you know, whatever could go on. Everything, aliens, livestock on the road. So we still made it a relatively good time, because you try and factor that in.

Sure, you allowed time for that. Yeah, we almost had a three hour cushion, but it wound up being like a two and a half hour cushion. Okay. So we missed the first offensive drive.

Okay. And that was the only time the starters were in. Oh. so it's like okay so you know I'm like so she missed all the starting players yeah but it was still they were still fantastic what you saw was still incredible you know the game in itself and looking at the development of all the other players and I just don't think that it qualified as enough as a good enough so she gets another one well yeah because what happened was she was getting excited about things right and the rest of us were just kind of like yeah it was cool Oh, does she normally get excited when you watch the games at home?

Yeah, yeah. I didn't know how big a fan she was. She's involved. She's involved.

She's a fantasy football player. She's involved. Well, the entire family is. At this point, I think Teddy is also, I believe.

Teddy is very adamant about having her cheerleading outfit on, yeah. She's all about that life. She's not happy that it doesn't fit anymore. She needs a new one.

Daddy needs a new one on the way. It's on the way. Daddy's got it. It's coming.

It's coming. So, we're not gonna eat next week, but you will have that outfit. We're definitely, listen, we shouldn't have, we had food, we shouldn't have had food months ago. Yeah, sure.

We're definitely in a recession. Right. You know, uh, that's okay, we'll get into that. Is there a recession?

Yeah, people are saying how bad the economy was. I went out and had to run some errands on Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. Places are packed.

Mm-hmm. Somebody's spending money from somewhere. Yeah. I mean, I had to go to Hobby Lobby.

it's a craft store it's a giant craft store to get some elastic string or something for adrian something she was doing place was packed i had to wait in line they had five registers open hobby lobby is always packed though yeah but that's not anything you have to have there yeah hobby lobby is not an essential store it's not an essential store it's like michael's like the weekend that's when everybody likes to do their things i mean realistically there's nothing essential other than food and water right exactly but i mean if you go to a target You can buy, you know, pharmaceutical type things and maybe you need food or even clothing at that point, but do you need a new chair that's 50% off that it's just a decorative chair, you can't even sit in it because it's not going to hold any of his weight? So you're saying people are still out there? Yes, people are still out there spending money. Look, we all these things.

Do you need a giant metal sign that says Bear Crossing? Listen, we all have these magical things. They're plastic, they're about this big. Yes, I understand.

Called credit cards. Yes. Yeah. I know.

- That's what I'm saying. People are still out there spending money. - Of course. - Yeah.

- Yeah. - They're always gonna spend money. - Yeah. - Just what is it they're gonna spend it on?

- Yes, but people are saying the economy's bad. People are tightening up. - That's 100% accurate. - Well, I know.

- There's definitely pullbacks. - It's not at Michael's apparently. - Not at Hobby Lobby, apparently. - I mean, I think...

- Or Target or Home Depot. - I think there's pullback in the cigar industry. - Well, yeah. - Seen across the board, talk to retailers all the time.

- Sure. - I talk to retailers all the time. Everybody says how bad it is. - Well, that's an item that you can do without.

- Sure. Right? And the reality is that a lot of guys that are cigar smokers, they probably have still some cigars at home. Yeah, you see pictures.

People have a lot of cigars. You can start working through some of that. Like, oh, money's a little tight, let me start smoking. Right.

Yeah, I start smoking stuff I have, but I'm not collecting any longer. That I've accumulated over the past decade. Exactly. Right.

Yes. So what's important is that you make something... That they have to have. Right.

And that's where this industry is kind of falling off. People are making things people have to have? I think that a lot of people are still trying to cut corners and make bullshit, you know? Yeah, I'm making bad cigars.

Mm-hmm. Right. I agree. So, you're doing terrible interviews on podcasts and things.

That's okay. Yeah, well, we're going to address that. We're going to address that. I'm sorry.

I'm still worked up. I'm sorry. I'm still worked up. So, I'm just waiting on the phone call.

You're so angry. Just waiting on the phone call. Just waiting on the call. You know, I really like you in the Postanya shirt that you wore.

Which one? The one last week? Oh, I look terrible in there without the shirt tail tucked in there. You think so?

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like it. Oh, I thought it was great. I like the collar today.

Yeah? Yeah, but, you know, I think that, uh... Well, I mean, I still have to dress for the other job. Right.

I just don't wear the jacket. Yeah, yeah. As national sales manager, I like seeing you on the podcast. Oh, a little nicer clothes.

Yeah. Oh, certain. Instead of dress like me, like a... Right, yeah, there's one that replays upstairs where we both have on black t-shirts and blue jeans and sneakers.

Yeah, it looks very bad. It looks bad. You think it looks bad? Because we match.

I don't think it looks bad. No, because we match, it looks bad. Matchy? Yeah, we're matchy-matchy.

Matchy-matchy? Matchy-matchy, yes. Matchy-matchy. So, Saturday, we had basketball.

Yes. Did you win? Justice's team won. Jack's team lost by two in overtime.

How's the boy's arm doing? Great. Good. Yeah.

Good to go. He is good to go. I don't get the newsletters anymore for the family. I apologize.

I'll work on that. Thank you. I will notify. Because apparently Mika even changed her hair color I saw.

Oh, I, you know what, I saw that on the top of my Facebook storyline. Yes. I didn't click it though. I was like, oh.

Oh, I looked at it, it looks nice. It's copper. Yeah. Yeah.

Mixing it up. Yeah. She's living her best life. Sure she is.

Yeah, of course. New mother, she's got her own house. Yeah. Hair appointments apparently.

Yeah. Yeah. All sorts of things. She's the, she's a real housewife.

Oh, is she staying home with the child? Is she watching the child everything? Pretty much. Or is she staying home with the child?

Yeah. You can afford to do that. Yeah. It's going well.

Good. At least from what we can tell. Yes. Yeah.

You never know. He could be behind closed doors. There's no bruises, so he's good at it. He knows how to cover it up.

He's doing a good job. He knows the phone book, Drake. It's very sneaky. Crafty, that Nick.

Right. I see the movies. I know how that works. Those Greeks with the high tempers.

So, Brittany's car is getting close to getting out of warranty. Oh. We're like approaching the 30,000 miles. That's where you get rid of it.

We have some sensor issues and stuff. Get it fixed. So we go to turn it in. Right.

At the dealership. Yes. Yeah, you know, I set the appointment. You have set an appointment?

Oh, yeah, yeah. I hate bikers. When do you want to bring it? As soon as possible.

It's about to bring it. m. Like, okay, perfect. And then the person says, "And do you want to wait for it?

" I thought you were turning it in. Well, they meant like for service. Yeah. Oh, I thought like the lease was up and you getting rid of it.

No, no, no. Oh, okay. I gotta get these things fixed underwater. Right, right, right.

Hey, we're clearing that up, Phil. It was very nice. No problem. " Nobody waits!

I was like, "Yeah, why? " Well, it'll be Tuesday. " Then why did you ask me if I wanted to wait? " It's rhetorical.

This shit just doesn't... It's just on the paper. It's on the paper, sir. Nobody says yes.

One of the shit that I laugh about is, you know, what's really funny is, when the economy was surging, this fucking service sucked, because everybody was so fucking busy, and now that the economy's going down, service fucking sucks, because, oh, we're short staffed, so when is service gonna be okay? When is a good service? I just want it to be decent, you know, it doesn't have to be stellar, just somewhere between reasonable and fucking, you know, excellent. don't know you know that's a wide range like just give me just give me a you know like answer the phone when i call right and tell me what's going on act like i just spent 120 000 yeah so we drop off so we're gonna drop off the car okay and you didn't wait uh no obviously 48 hours yeah should have showed up with a suitcase so we're gonna drop off the car but i'm still waiting but i'm thinking it's gonna be two days where's the three hots and a cot i'm thinking it's gonna be It took me two days.

Okay. They called you before you got home. So, we drop off the car. No, we drop off the car.

" Yeah, lie to me. Like, what the fuck? Make something up. " Michael Joseph, fuck you there.

Burn you with my smoke. Wait, five to seven days to find out what's wrong with it. Yeah, just to look at all the things. Oh, wow.

How much is wrong with this car? He's gonna look in the muffler. I mean, we're talking about minuscule things. They hook it to a machine.

Like, the washer fluid doesn't work. It needs a new sensor that wasn't installed in the rear end of the vehicle. The AC kind of flip-flops, turns on and off. Oh, that's a lot of things.

At the beginning. And I think there was one other thing. That's a lot of problems. No problems.

They're all like small things. So it's like, okay, five... Yeah, my washers thing has not worked since the day I had the car. I just don't care.

Well, your thing was... Yeah, but your car... It was not a brand new vehicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's $120,000. You fucking bought your car with an Aldi fucking gift card. Pretty much. Yeah, you just turned it in.

You handed them some bananas and they gave you the car. Right. I don't do anything to it. Yeah, it was a great deal.

Great deal. Yeah. It's been paid for for three years or something like that. So it's like, okay, let's go get your rental.

You know, obviously you need a rental car. Did they provide the rental? No. Ugh.

Like, so do you have a loaner? Like, oh no. No. Okay.

That's why the economy's good. But maybe you can contact GM and they should refund you. I'm like, okay, perfect. Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

So, we walk into Enterprise. Hey, we need a rental. Okay, what kind of car? I need a full-size SUV.

Oh. We don't have those. We don't have those. They never have them.

Does she need a full-size rental? Hold on. Don't you get ahead of yourself, Mr. Palmer.

Sorry. We don't accept walk-ins right now. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah.

Insurance only. You have to set an appointment. All right. I go outside, turn on the app, set my appointment, walk back into this motherfucker.

Right, exactly. And I say, hey, I just set my appointment. I need a full-size SUV. Because it said you had one available.

Or you had several available. Right. Oh, no, that doesn't work. Wait, wait, wait.

So I made the appointment. So wait, you did, but I just, that doesn't work? No, that doesn't work. No, but if you'd like this little Datsun.

Like, oh no, so yeah, so the app doesn't talk to the brands directly. We have a pickup truck that Casey rented for his podcast. So we're gonna put you on a waiting list. All right.

Wait, what? We're gonna put you on a waiting list for a car. For SUV. All right, okay, whatever.

So I pick up the phone. Did you ask how long that's gonna take? So I pick up the phone and I call Enterprise. Five days.

I call Enterprise up the street or whatever. The 1-800 number or whatever it is. No, I call Pine Hills, I start calling other ones. Oh, okay.

Hey, do you have an SUV? Yeah, we got an SUV, yeah, come and get it. I go, we go over there. Do I need an appointment?

Did you say full size? You just said SUV. Yeah, I said full size SUV. I know, I said that.

We pull in, oh, we don't have that. Oh my God. They don't talk to us properly, so we don't... Well, who did you call?

I called there, but... The 1-800 number? No, no, I called the office, the local place, but they didn't answer, so it pushed me into... Oh, switchboard operator or somewhere.

It pushed me into India. No, yes, we have the car, come in now, you go, no appointment needed, my name is Bob. Yeah, get you a good deal. Get you a good deal, you come right here, it'll be fine.

Right on the street. What color do you want? We have all colors, blue, red, yellow, all colors. So I'm like, okay, put me back on the fucking waiting list of the other one, because that one's closer to my house.

Let's go back on the waiting list, and we pop back in the next day, after the basketball game. So how long is the waiting list? Hold on, this is a story. So you have no car at this point, right?

So we have my car, which is fine, and it's the weekend, so that works out, but come Monday, we need another car. Walk back in, hey, am I on the waiting list? You can see like deer in headlights. We don't do waiting lists.

Wait, do we have a waiting list? Bob, do we have a waiting list? No, we don't. No, we do not have waiting lists.

Don't do Pine Hills! No, we got, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we got you down, and I think we have an SUV being canceled, so if you call back around, if you call back around one o'clock, we should have an SUV first. So this is Sunday? This is Saturday.

Oh, okay. I said, perfect, I'll call you at one. Canceled? Yeah.

Isn't it first come, first serve? I don't know, you haven't set an appointment. Well, it's gotta be turned in, and then instead of it going back out, I can pick it up. Okay, so I call at one.

Right. Hello! No one answers. No one here.

Nobody. This is booby. We'll be... Nobody...

Do not answer, phone it. And Bob's cousin. Nobody fucking answers. Nobody fucking answers.

Did you try a different place at this time? I tried everywhere. I mean, like... What about Greg's rental service?

He's got, like, five cars. No, I fuck with National or Enterprise. Those are the two companies I like. Oh, at this point...

Not anymore. At this point, I'm calling Dollar, I'm calling Hertz. I'm calling OJ. I don't care anymore.

So no car on Saturday. He's got a Bronco. He's got a Bronco. So I call on Sunday.

On Sunday, hey, do you have an SUV? I'm supposedly on a waiting list. Yes, go on in. Like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is where tensions get super high. This is like the guy who put the dumpster in his driveway. I got a Tahoe here for you, and we got a Wagoneer as well that's gonna be cleaned up. You can pick which one you want, it's fine.

I'm like, okay, I said, you want the Tahoe or the Wagoneer? She's like, well, maybe I want the Wagoneer. I'm like, you don't want the fucking Wagoneer. See, this is the thing, when you're married, you know a person's...

Sure, sure, right. All the quirks. You're not going to like the Wagoneer. You gave her a decision, though, like the lady said, about waiting for the car.

Because like a Jeep, any type of Jeep is going to ride hard. Yeah, they ride terrible. They just all ride fucking hard. " This is terrible.

Yeah, I know, I've had three, that's the way it works. Even the luxury ones, I would assume, I don't know, but I would assume that the Wagoneer is going to be the same way. Same way. Yeah, same with Jeep, I'm not driving anymore.

Same way, Wagoneer's the same way, it just has better doors. Right, right. So we pull up, and there's a Suburban, and the car returned. Oh.

Is it yours? No. Yeah, it's from across the street. It's yours from the dealership.

Rent us, fuck around, we got it fixed. They get it back for seven days. Economy's bad, we got to pay. So I'm like, hey, I'm going to go in and see what's going on, and see if maybe I can get the Suburban.

Right. You walk in and I go, do you have an appointment? So look, and who are you? I'm like, I've been here for...

Damn it, Bobby. No. So, they were very nice at that point. Shit, they're scared of you.

They should be. Right. But I was still cool. You're probably in a tank top and little biker shorts at this point.

I'm just ready now. I wasn't agitated. You're singlet. I was agitated, but I didn't let them know that I was agitated.

Oh, you can tell. You don't hide it very well, Michael. So, Brittany's outside and she's checking out the wagon in the air. Oh, this is nice.

I like this. She's like, I'll take this one. It's a little bit tighter in the backseat or whatever, but it'll be fine. I won't ride in the backseat.

It'll be fine. So I said, listen, we need the Suburban. Is the Suburban available? Like, we can get that cleaned up.

We had that cleaned up. It's a little bit more money, but whatever. I said, okay, perfect. Just give me the fucking Suburban.

Don't even have to clean it. No, I said, clean the car. We'll wait. And we'll take...

Oh, get with the waiting. Yeah, we want to wait like 45 minutes. Three to four days. Yeah, for cleaning.

Sorry, sir. Actually, somebody just rented it. Yeah, somebody rented it online. It was rented online from Pine Hills.

Sorry, it's gone. Should've rented it. Sorry, it's gone. While it was being cleaned, someone else took it.

So I go out and I say to Brennan, I said, listen, we got to the Suburban. I went to Wagon here! well she goes well don't you dare michael joseph burn you with my no i mean so she's like but all those other two vehicles would have worked and i said listen i know you right i know you better than you know you sure i need to get as close as possible to the same vehicle that you're used to right so that you don't get annoyed with any of this shit because i don't know how long this is That's where it's gonna be. Right.

Houston, we have a problem. You can be stuck with this car for two, three weeks, maybe a month, I don't know. I have to buy it. And there are gonna be times where you're gonna get frustrated, I know you, you're gonna get frustrated with things if you're in this Wagoneer or if you're in this Tahoe.

Sure. Trunk space, how it rides, whatever. She's thinking it's an opportunity to drive something different. And that's what I said, I get, because I have done this.

Right, right, right. When you travel, you rent cars. I know this from my experience, and knowing you, that either one of these cars is eventually going to become a mistake. Sure.

It's like, okay, I think that's a little ridiculous. The longer you have it, the more likely something's going to happen. Right, I think it's a little ridiculous, but whatever. Was there leather in all of these?

No, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, I would assume. Perfect. Okay, alright, so we get the bourbon.

Sure. And we get to the house, and I beat her home, and so she's backing up. Oh, no, did you get the interns? " And she goes, "Well, this one, it doesn't have the 360 cameras that I'm used to for backing up and correcting things.

" Sure. Like, this is as close as we could have gotten to your vehicle, and it still is going to fall short. Still is not right. Right, it's still going to fall short of what you needed.

So, thank God we got this one, because I'll tell you right now, if you'd have pulled in with a fucking Wagoneer or the Tahoe, It might not have had a camera at all. You would have been fucking irate halfway down the road driving home. Sure, right. Right?

" Aw, too late. I'm not going to hold you in bad light. Me and Palmer were not involved in the recording of this. Yeah, we had nothing to do with this, the way he made you look better.

He actually clipped all of our voices in. That's right, we're not even here. It's all him. I told him not to talk about it.

What's in the box? This is a box from Justin Andrews that he would like me to open. Justin Andrews sent you a package? He did.

Why did Justin Andrews send him packages? Because he did. Are we supposed to give a shit? I want one of those cut-out Justin Andrews hooker board that he stood on.

No, you know what I liked? So I saw that post on Facebook. So please put it up here. Yeah, I want it.

Oh, put it up on the screen. Yeah. But, you know, what's really kind of funny is, like, he looks a little bit more pudgier in the photo with him leading-- He looks a little gay in the photo. With the lumberjack.

Right. You don't know his preferences. Maybe he is-- Well, he's married or has a girlfriend or something. You don't know?

No, we've talked, we've talked to him with her on the phone before. Maybe it's, could be, I guess. No, I mean, I don't care if he's gay, that's fine with me, I don't care. Yeah, it's his life, let him live his life.

Sure, there's no judgment here. If he wants to be a lumberjack, let him be a lumberjack. Right, with that pouty look on his face. Magnum.

You don't have a camera, should you throw it, let Michael open it? No, go ahead, it's not for us, it's for him. Oh. There's no camera.

That's what I mean, you don't have a camera. So I can open it and do the, I have to put my hand behind it, is that how it works? Yeah, if it's a cigar, you do, yeah. Was that the end of the story though?

You didn't finish the story, that was it? Sure, she's already upset with the car. Yeah, do you want me to fire her up? Look, I'll call her real quick.

No, no, no, don't fire her up, don't fire her up. No, yeah, we need content. Palmer, no, don't fire her. Hello?

Hey, we just spoke, we're on the podcast, we just spoke about the adventures of car rentals, and I held, I held you in a good light, I just simply stated, I just simply stated, that he made you look crazy. I did not make her look crazy. I didn't say that. You know, what's so funny is you just said, no, don't call her, don't fire her up.

Meanwhile, you're over here fucking. Shut the fuck up over there. Yeah, it's just, Okay. Okay, go ahead.

In my defense. Okay. First of all, yes, I like my car. I have a really nice car.

I enjoy the 360 camera around it. That's what I'm used to. I was just a little thrown off when I went to go back up and it was just the back up camera. Oh.

Yes. That's exactly what I said. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. She can't wait to listen to this. No. Oh, yeah.

Right, because I may be calling back in. Now... Well, it's not live, you have to call back next week. Yeah, you have to recover.

Yeah. So, take notes. Let's just get this straight. Okay, yes, I have a nice car, and I enjoy these nice things.

However, that was the only Suburban that was available when we purchased the new car, correct? Yes. Okay. So, if there was other ones, we probably would have gotten the LT.

Correct. Is the LT lower than what she has? Correct. It is.

It's a little different when you go from driving with really dark tinted windows to not tinted windows, a little hotter, okay? He did mention that. Well, this is an experience for today. This is today, I got it.

Oh, this is today. Oh, it's so hot in here. Yeah. Michael, you have to get this tinted tomorrow.

I might have this for two weeks. Look, I want her to have the best experience on a daily basis, so I'll make sure the car is solid. Get that thing tinted, Michael, tomorrow. I got spoiled.

My Suburban before the one that I have now was literally falling apart. Okay? Yes. Oh yeah, the black one.

The black one. The trunk opened up on me while I was driving on 436. Wheels come off. It was terrible, yes.

Yes. Yes. Everything. Okay?

Everything. So, yes. So, I got a nice car. That was the only one that was available.

The only one. It was the only one. And it happened to have a 360 camera. Right.

Not your fault. I don't understand. No. No.

No. It just came with it. That's just the way it worked. Right.

Michael? Agree with her, Michael. I totally agree. Why are you laughing, Michael?

Oh, wow. He is not laughing. What else did he say? That was all I said?

That's all he said. That's all he said. You were so excited to do the podcast today because of my comment of the backup camera. No, no, no.

It was a wonderful story. He told the entire thing start to finish. From the four days for the car to be ready, to the 72-hour wait for the car, and... Did he say, did he tell you that the Suburban is more a day than the other vehicles that we had signed up for?

Yes, yes, he said it was slightly more expensive, but he wanted you to have the best. Right. Okay, but I told him I would have went for the Wagoneer that was... You could not have driven a Wagoneer.

And did I say that? A Wagoneer drives like a Jeep. You do not, you would not be comfortable in a Wagoneer. Thank you.

I just want... A Jeep drives like no other car. It is a very rough ride. I know you better than you know you, as you know me better than I know me.

I don't know why I feel on such edge right now. Boots is scared right now, or Phil is scared right now for some reason. You're making me feel like I'm some, like, princess, that I need a certain thing, but I mean, I take the kids around everywhere. There are multiple times where I have other people's children in my car.

I can't go down to a five-feeder. And football's coming up where I lock all the stuff, the wagons. We all agree, certainly. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying.

Nobody is disagreeing with anything. I'm not disagreeing. I'll be honest with you, me and Palmer definitely agree. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, and I want to make sure.

Me and Phil think you're very unappreciated in an even nicer car. I want to make sure, if I could afford a nice car, she'd have it. Yeah, it's like a limousine, she needs to be driven. I mean, listen, first of all, first of all, there was an escalade at the Enterprise in Winterpott, but whatever, we didn't go to that one.

We didn't go to that one. Well, that did not come out. You should have got the Escalade, Michael. You didn't mention there was an Escalade available for the young lady.

That was at a different location. Well, you went to Pine Hills, you can't go to one park. But he didn't want to be fooled by Bob again. Oh, yeah, on the phone.

Show up. Oh, we have Escalade over here, you come get down. Did he tell you how aggravated he got with the guy on the phone in India? Yes, yes, he did.

Yeah, he hung up on him. Oh, wait, no, he didn't say anything about it. He didn't say he hung up on him. He was very passionate about his phone calls.

You know what? I don't even know why I'm doing this. That did happen. That's what I walked out to.

" I just want to make sure you're good, and I will scalp everybody to make sure that you're good. I'm good. I mean, I do wear Costco clothes. I like that she's defending herself.

Yeah, now she is. This is that moment. She probably needs new shoes, too, Michael. Get the woman some shoes, for God's sake.

She honestly feels like she thinks that I attacked her in the story, but I didn't at all. Yeah, what's his weave stuff, Michael? Well, he corrected himself. He did correct himself.

It was you yesterday. Oh, can I talk about this on the podcast? Because, God forbid, I make a comment about the backup camera not being the same as my car. I happen to really love my car.

You're focusing on this backup camera. He said it just in passing. It was not the focus of the story. Yeah.

Oh, well, that's what he- It was humorous to me. It was humorous to me. It was. Sure it was.

The look on your face. Yes. Of discontent. Not even knowing what it was yet.

Yeah. There was just something wrong with the car. Your car, that is fucking bullshit. Your car was in the driveway.

And when I went to go reverse, I used the 360 to see all around me. Certainly. I was startled when I couldn't see your car. I didn't want to hit your car.

Right. She was doing it for you, Michael. I appreciate that. Yeah.

So thank you very much. You're an amazing woman. I love you very much. You're an amazing woman.

Completely unappreciated in this family. All right. I'm going to go home. I'm going to throw out all your fucking chicken that I grilled.

Oh, you baked your grilling chicken? Oh, good. There was a week there we didn't have grilled chicken. Yeah, it was a rough week.

It was a rough week. We were in Alabama. What the fuck? He was eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Uncrustables, yeah. Uncrustables. Uncrustables. Let's make it work.

Oh, that's where they all went. Yeah. Well, he brought seven every day. Yeah, it's bulking season.

Oh my God. Wouldn't share a one. All right. Well, I love you.

Have fun with the kids. Oh, did you talk about, wait, did you talk about our experience at Volcano Bay yesterday? No, no, no. I haven't gotten to that yet.

No, no, no. The show's only half over. We have that for the second half of the show. You want to go ahead?

Go ahead. Go ahead. So we're, okay, so Teddy wants to go to Volcano Bay. We finally get the car, right?

So we're heading to Orlando. There's a massive fucking tropical storm approaching, right? And I'm showing him the radar, and I'm like, Mikey, I don't know. It's not looking good, but I don't want to be the person to, you know, crush everybody's feelings and say, hey, look, I don't think we should do this.

Right. But that's what my husband does to me. He leaves it up to me. Mommy says we shouldn't go, kids.

I don't know what to tell you. Exactly, exactly. Mommy says it's gonna rain. The dark clouds that were coming in.

Yeah, exactly. If mommy wasn't here, daddy would take everybody. Just so you know, daddy likes to go. We're pulling in, and I'm like, I don't know, it's not looking good, it's not looking good, it'll be fine, it'll be fine.

I'm like, okay. It's all gonna work out. It's all gonna work out. It's all gonna work out.

It's all gonna work out. It's all gonna work out. That's what I like to say. We walk into the fucking park, no sooner do they scan our tags, it starts fucking raining.

It's fucking raining. Yeah. At the water park. At the water park.

Then we start walking into the park and we hear the announcement, due to weather in the area, everything is shut down. Due to severe weather in the area, all rides are closed. So we had a huddle in the corner, outside the bathroom, because there's no really indoor places at Volcano Bay for you to hop, right? And he's telling the kids, "Mommy closed all the rides, guys.

" Yep, exactly, exactly. So, any time, any time, so then we get to, now the lightning strikes, okay, and I don't do lightning, now he's, this is Mikey, the meteorologist, uh, counting, that one was 15 miles away, okay, so now he's doing this with Jack, oh, don't worry guys, that one was 23 miles away, yeah, we're counting the lightning strikes, as they're going away, he said that, and a fucking lightning bolt struck inside the park. Oh, wow. It was a rare one.

It was a rare. Yeah. It got away. A rare rogue lightning bolt.

It was not rogue, because then it continued to calm down. Oh, there were more. There were more to where Teddy and I had to run into the bathroom and hide. She's fucking panicking.

Her heart is racing. Him and the boys went into the other bathroom. Yeah. So then we sat at Volcone Bay for maybe two hours and then left without doing anything.

You know, kids, I'm so sorry, but Mommy brought the lightning bolts and Teddy would never do it. That's why he's telling the boys in the men's room. Okay. All right.

So wait a second. Did we go to CityWalk afterwards? Oh, yeah, we did go to CityWalk afterwards and cowfish because you were not saying no to that after what you just put us through for those two hours. Did we have dinner?

It's where you get the Brussels sprouts, right? No. Oh, we didn't get them. They do have good Brussels sprouts.

Did we not get the Brussels sprouts? Did we have a good time at dinner? Yeah. Yeah, no, it was great.

After, you know, the panic of two hours, sitting there. Almost dying, being struck by lightning. So did it all work out. I fucking hate you, I have to go.

I love you. Goodbye. Have a good day. Love you.

Oh, she didn't say love you, she hung up. She said it, no, I didn't. Who was very adamant in calling you, was that Skip again? Uh, no, that was, that was CC Mobile or that was, uh, Spectrum.

Oh. Alright, finish your box there, boss. Yeah, what's in the, what's in the box? What's in the Justin Andrews, uh, I love, uh, Phil box?

I love Phil. I hope it's a mini cutout from his, uh, photo shoot. I hope it's fossilized feces. Uh, let's see, it's a lighter and a cutter.

And apparently that's it. It's a diesel lighter. Yeah. That's okay, you don't have shots.

That's great now. Yeah. Is it completely out of focus? All we saw was your big, pale paw.

It looks like a cutter. Oh. There you go. Oh, it looks like a knockoff sucker cutter.

Cutter and a liner. Oh. Can we sell this? No?

No. Well, you can do what you want. Just go ahead and take your time crinkling the shit out of the way. Yeah, crinkling the stuff over.

That's nice. Keep doing that. We're just going to stop telling them when we're doing the show. Yeah, I guess so.

We do it on a different... We should do it on Tuesdays. I'll just call it a liner and a cutter. Yeah, liner and a cutter.

He probably sent them to his self, not even from Justin Anders. He probably bought them. He didn't send them to myself. Do you buy that?

Because this is an Amazon box. Where can you buy diesel stuff? Amazon. Can you?

Sure. I don't know that. eBay? Yeah.

People trade it in. I don't even have an eBay account. Maybe your wife does. We don't know who all Phil knows.

It seems like an eBay account would be something Phil has. Does Phil have a wife? I feel like Justin Anders is... Yeah, she tried to divorce him when he got lost in the jungle.

She ran off with that other guy for a short amount of time. I feel like Justin Andrews is just so disconnected. From the industry? He just gives stuff to Phil.

I guess. Yeah. He was at Rocky Mountain Spotted. That's a bad thing.

He was at the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fevertick event though. Everybody was at the Rocky Mountain thing. Yeah, everybody was a fucking lumberjack. Yeah, he's with his foo-foo lumberjack.

Never answers one. I appreciate that. Why does he need that? Is he that big a celebrity now?

He's trying. Is he? So that's what you have to do? I'm gonna get one.

You should tell him, we're gonna get you one. We should get me one. In the same shirt. Oh, in the same shirt?

Yeah. I don't know. You know, I have one of those shirts. Mine's blue, I think.

Yeah. And we're going to post you up against the wall. Oh, with my foot? With the pointy cowboy boots?

Yeah. Ah, nice. Nice. Well, enjoy your lighter and cutter.

Yeah, enjoy that. I've not seen this lumberjack, man. It's very nice. Oh, I'm sorry.

It's on social media, you know. No big deal. All right. So, did you...

Thanks. What'd you do? I mean, I had a lot. Nothing comparable.

I mean, the wife redid the countertops all weekend. So I really just had to stay out of the way. Okay. You cut the grass?

You cut the grass? Yeah, I did cut the grass. " So I have to learn how to do it and then teach you? This is not my idea of doing the countertops.

I didn't sign up for this. I'm not artistic. I'm not this type of work. I'm like a rough carpenter.

I don't do this kind of finishing stuff. And they don't become instructions anymore. You've got to scan the QR code and then you have to read the instructions, but it's very simple now to read the countertops, there's no sanding, there's no buffing, there's none of that now. Right.

You just put the base coat on and then you have to streak it and then put the top coat on, it's all good to go. Yeah. Just time consuming, you've got to wait four hours, everything to drive. Improving your rental property.

Yeah. Well, I don't know, I mean, I didn't mind the peach ones before, but apparently she hated them. Okay. What color are they now?

They are kind of a white with gray marble streaks. Oh, very nice. She put up pictures? I didn't see.

I haven't really been on social media this week. I did just see the Justin Anders thing, but I was... Yeah, well, I tagged you. In the Justin Anders thing?

Yeah, why don't we have one of these? Oh. Makes sense. Yeah.

That's probably why I saw it. Probably. And then you are always nice and common in all the posts on your mafia photos. Of course.

Yeah. Of course. I like to show my appreciation. Certainly.

Yeah. Who else won hats that haven't got hats yet? Or do they have to go on the thing to see their name? I mean, we've gotten three basically counting Groover.

Well, I have Jim from Santa Clara. How many did you do? Four or five? Five.

So that's two, three, four. Yeah. So you're taking care of Jim. I don't have to take care of Jim.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I guess there's only one more floating around out there somewhere. All right.

Okay. There you go. All right. You ready to call Coop?

The other one's Groover. Right, Groover. But you said we're not sending that. He's gotta come get it.

Yeah, he can come get it. Yeah, he's busy playing golf and going to Costa Rica. Why was he at the Rocky Mountain thing? He's not a, he's a Florida rep.

I have no idea. Because Terrence can't fly along. Well, he wasn't really with Terrence, he was with the Miami Vice tube cigar, Monte Lago, or Mor-Lago, or whatever that's called. He was with him.

El Milagro? Yeah, that's it. I don't know. I'm just curious.

Maybe you wanted him to go. Because Terrence had Fabian, so. Oh. I saw Fabian up in Lake Country.

Lake Country. Lake Country? Yeah, he was there, too. Yeah, that's all he does.

He's a very busy man. Yeah. Very busy. Nice guy.

I love Fabian. He is. He is a very nice man. All right.

All right. Do we gotta call Coop? Yeah, let's give Coop a call. All right.

Hey, guys. Cigar Media King. Here he is. Mr.

Cooper. One and only William Cooper. What's up, buddy? We're called right on time.

Good for you guys. Look at that. See? Ah, see?

We're very punctual. We deliver. Absolutely. Good for good.

Yes. Yes. So, you have a grievance. You feel that I have been unjust in my comments of one, Casey Johnson's appearance on a Bears show.

Is this correct? I know you don't have a lot of time, so we're going to get right into it. Leading the witness. We're going to get right into it.

Yeah, no, no, I don't have a problem that you said, hey, the guy, you know, the guy was doing it without great lighting or anything. That's totally fair game. But when you say that this industry needs to do better, I think there's a lot of other things the industry needs to do better on. And that's just, that's just kind of nitpicking.

And that was my point. Well, I would agree that there's several different things the industry needs to do better, but there are certain things, though, that more apply to us as media or podcast people that we should have more control of than, say, you know, something else. Well, is that Bear's responsibility or Casey's responsibility? Well, I can tell you that it doesn't have to be Bear's responsibility.

Yeah, I would say it was Casey's. Because Bear's my friend, so I'll go ahead and take care of that for him. Right, and look, but also, I don't, it sounded like you guys didn't hear the whole show, because there were circumstances why he was doing that show in a car. Okay, what were the circumstances?

The circumstances why he was doing an event, and as you know, when you do things like, when you do these interviews in cigar shops and events, it's the worst place to do it, right? Oh, certainly. The noise, the noise, I mean, don't get me wrong, that's something where, when we tell someone, don't do your interview in a cigar store, and then they do it in a cigar store, that's where, okay, that's what you need to do better, because we gave you specific instructions to do that. Right, correct.

Okay, do you think that maybe turning on a fucking dome light in the truck would have? Yeah, at the least, he could have turned on the dome light. Well, you could bring the battery with that. I mean, I had...

Turn the car on. Turn the car on for a second. I'll say this: we always want to have good audio and good video. Audio is always the thing that we will get beat up on.

If our audio is off, we get beat up on. People are a little forgiving on the lighting stuff. Don't get me wrong, I want people to have great lighting and look good, but the audio is the piece we get beat up on. But he could kill his battery with the dome light on it.

I don't know if it was a rental car he had or not either, so keep that in mind. Okay. I feel like he could have done better, to be perfectly honest. And he's not the first person I've attacked.

That was a good interview. By the way, it was a very good interview by both sides. And I understand, you know, hey, you want to put someone in the best light and everything, but it was a very good interview. And Casey doesn't do a lot of interviews.

And I thought it was excellent. I thought it was one of Bear's best interviews of the year. That was a really good show. Do you think that enough people would have watched and stayed tuned to it because they couldn't see him as he was hiding like a ninja, or do you think that maybe if he had a little bit better lighting, more people would have listened?

So, I'm curious to see what you guys think on viewing patterns, but this is what I see is, when the show's live, people watch it and they don't really blink an eye on it, but once the show goes on demand and download, we find that people go more to the audience. So, I don't think it made a huge difference. That was just my opinion on that. I think he's got a point there on the audio, because this is usually something people listen to in cars, while they're traveling, out walking or something.

" People don't do that. Right, right. I mean, if I consume your show, to be honest with you, it usually, well, you guys are always on demand, but I usually go for the audio piece. I put it on in the car or in my office or something like that.

Okay. Well, I mean, you know, so, but just for the record, so you're okay with me criticizing somebody about video or no? Oh, oh, I think, I think, I think, look, I am okay with that. And one thing I'll say very clear is we're in the media business, right?

Right, sure. And in the media business, media is what we do, right? So we have to, we have to kind of cover the media business as it is. I just thought the comment about the industry needing to do better, I'm like, there's a ton of other problems in there.

But I had no problem. It's fair game. It's totally fair game. I don't think that part was the part where you guys went below, you know, cross the lines.

Okay. It was the part, like, industry doing better. Well, you know, because, listen, we just did that one media podcast, and George was on there, right? And George has a lot of interesting things to say.

And I feel like a lot of his things got discredited because of the way that he presented himself. He stopped, he fucking got a sandwich or some shit, and like, we heard it the entire time. He would clear his throat as other people were talking, until the camera switched to him, and then you couldn't hear somebody else talk. The guy was in a fucking lawn chair.

I mean, like, there were so many things that I'm like, okay, if this guy, you know, he's an icon, he's done all these great things in this industry, and he's just kind of looking fucking, I feel like I just gotta throw change at the guy or something, like, he's a little borderline homeless, you know? You know, like, I just feel like, why not invest a little bit of time and energy in presenting yourself so that, you know, you look just, you come off better, just together, like you have it together, you know, and this really, I was on a show with George, I didn't take it that bad. I don't think that was that bad what he was on. I mean, I guess, I don't know, I, maybe I, you know, being on the show, I saw it a different way.

It's a little different if you're on the show. I didn't see that that bad. I was watching it and I stopped because I couldn't handle his "uhm", "uhm", "uhm", "uhm", "uhm", his little noises and stuff the whole time. It was just driving me nuts.

Yeah. And then like, you know, so I've talked about this before in the past. Obviously, you haven't heard it, but I was also talking about Ian Adapper. You know, same scenario.

The guy's kind of laying down, almost borderline falling asleep when he's doing an interview and I'm like, okay, come on, man, you know, and I'm not trying to aggressively attack someone because, you know, I think all these guys are great guys. I'm just simply stating that, look, if you put a little bit of time and effort into this, and you present yourself properly, I think that the brand representation that you're trying to give off will be better, right? You know, these guys are-- I can-- I agree with that. I will agree 100% with you on that.

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing, like when we get a press release, right, and we get these pictures that are just, you know, They're crooked, or they're off-spoken, or you know, there's failures in there, so I get it, I get what you're saying with that.

Yeah, take a little bit of time, and you know, I have no problem calling any of these people out, right, because I know where my heart is, and I know where my intentions are, I'm not here to chastise somebody because I just want to feel better about myself, I want them to do better, so that when somebody clips, let's just say someone randomly is getting into cigars, right? They click on Bear's recent episode on YouTube, and they see, they don't know anything about this guy, but they see a guy in a truck, and you can hardly see his face, and he's kind of talking about his brand. Doesn't that make that brand look bad? It's not going to be something they want to go find.

Maybe I'm not that interested in getting the scars. This isn't the only industry that has that problem. There's celebrities that do terrible on-location interviews. Yeah, but some of the But all the celebrities, they nail it.

Some of them do. They go above and beyond. Especially during COVID, there was tons of people doing interviews from home. And they were just having ear pods in, using their iPhones.

And these people have money. I mean, they could easily set up a ring light and a camera. Right. It's $30 from Amazon.

It can be there tomorrow. You know what I mean? You normally have notice. Like, hey, I mean, I could tell you right now that if I'm traveling, even if I'm at an event or whatever, I could definitely step away, get to a hotel room, set up a nice little corner angle.

It doesn't take... It's not that hard. Like, hey man, you know, I really apologize that I'm not perfect, but hey, I'm traveling currently, you know? And at least you could see me.

Like, that's my point. Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. You guys actually, I see your points on this. You're right, you're not wrong on it.

Again, I don't think we should be beating up on KT, you don't want it, but in general, I absolutely see where you're coming from with that. I'm going to beat up on everybody. I just want you to know. Well, I know you are, yeah.

And because, you know, there will be, uh... I keep wondering if I retire. Like, what are you guys going to do? You're going to lose half your content on the show if I retire, right?

Uh, maybe like, maybe like 15%, but there's got to be somebody else. Fred Rui's about to make a magazine or something. If it's Jack and Justin, then it's no one, and Mickey. Yeah, yeah, but Fred's coming up.

Yeah, Fred's coming up. He's doing a magazine or something. He's working with Cigar, he's working with Thor at Cigar Press. So we'll have some new content there.

There'll be some good witty banter there. Right. By the way, I saw I might have been second banana to Mickey. Was Mickey supposed to come on today?

He's on the Patreon. He's on the Patreon. He doesn't want to do the regular show. Oh, he doesn't want to do the regular show.

Okay. He wants to do Patreon. He wants to, yeah. I started doing a show over the weekend, that's why, so yeah.

Yeah, I did a nice little comment, like, well, you know, maybe he'll call or something, because we tried contacting him several times. Several weeks in a row. Yeah, and he just went zero dark 30 on us. Yeah, again, for the record, guys, I didn't turn you guys down last week.

I was on vacation. Oh, I know. Yeah, you were in Italy. And, Koop, if you had watched the whole episode, I actually stated that.

And I did, and I didn't. I'm going to admit you on that one. But the clip, of course, of course, it's called... Clickbait.

Yes, thank you. It's called Clickbait. No, it's not fake news, it's Clickbait. No, it's not fake news, it's Clickbait.

No, yeah, you have to... What we said was true, we just didn't expand. It's just like any other piece of news. It didn't expand on it.

Right. You did not take our phone call, end of comment. Right. But if you go in, if you watch the...

If you watch the entire episode, I flat out said, well, you know, he's in a... I talked to a guy in the parish last week, so, I mean, phones ring. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. That's a good point.

I mean, his wife may have killed him. Right. We have a problem. Yeah, right.

So, okay. Well, I'm glad that we could work this out, Coop. I've been waiting for this. Absolutely.

Look, you guys, I love you guys. We love you too, baby. We love you too. We'll clip this up, make you look bad.

Don't worry. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. It'll be fantastic.

We'll have you cursing out, we'll have you cursing out Casey before we're done. Did you hit his, uh, his... Yeah. I got quaaludes, I got acid, and I got cocaine.

Oh, there you go, there you go. I mean, we don't... And, and, and, and by the way, no, it's like Jack Taranio called me, or Jack or Hector, Hector, I said, you know, I said, I gave those guys license to use that, actually. I gave them the clip.

Right, right. He reset it for us, nice and clean, so. I did, I said, yeah, I said, hey, it's for those guys. It was permitted.

Yeah. It was, yeah, you have permission to use it. I have permission to use it. Don't make me revoke it now.

Oh, I'm sorry. We haven't been in for two to it yet. You're breaking up. You're breaking up.

We can't hear you. Are you in Italy again? We can't hear you. All right, brother.

Love you, man. Thanks so much. All right, you have a good day. You too.

Okay, bye. All right, bye-bye. So there you go. I don't know.

He sort of backed up on it. Of course he did. Of course he did. I was ready for a little disappointed.

He's not going to go. Come on, man. No, he's not going to. Come on.

Well, look. He's a very nice man. The reality is that, right, he fell into it. He did keep saying, but you did go a little hard on Casey.

I did, well, he's gonna defend. He was driving, was he driving to an event? He might have been sitting in the car at the event. Oh.

But you could turn on the dome light. You could do better things. Right, walk in, stand in front of the headlights, something. The reality is that this industry is, we're a fragment of consumers in the world, especially in the US.

Sure. It's like 2 or 3 percent, something like that. Right, right. And I don't think that it gets the justification that it deserves and what the industry represents and what it's all about.

Sure. So, and it's demonized. And I think that, as a whole, it's important that everybody works together to put in the extra effort. Right.

Just look good when you do it. Just, you know. I mean, granted, we have a little advantage here because we have all this studio space and all this stuff. We have equipment we take with us.

State-of-the-art technology. Sure. But still, I mean, you know, iPhones do really good pictures. They need a light.

They do do great pictures. I mean, I could put together something on the fly, right? Where I look decent, where the sound's good. Sure.

I could whip it up. Not a problem. Not a problem. Not a problem.

I bet you I could take that DJI and fucking Bluetooth it to my phone. Sure you can. Yeah. Everybody should have a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 if you're in the industry.

It's 400 bucks. Let's go. Everybody? If you're going to talk on these shows.

I think some people should. Yeah. I mean, there's usually the same group of people do the shows. Maybe now, when you ask somebody to do your show, you give them a little checklist or you give them something like, okay, here's what I need you to do.

I need you to buy a $20 light. I need you to get a $10 microphone. You can use your iPhone if you have to, but get a tripod or something to hold it. Don't just pull it out with your hand.

Well, it's important that you look good in the eyes of the consumer. Try to keep the background noise down. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Try and keep the dog barking to a minimal. changing your food don't eat during the interview unless you're doing coop before hours you could probably go without eating you might need a snack you gotta try your best not to pee during the coop thing you gotta pee beforehand Greg got to step away did Greg have to he had to go pee fucking rookie there's all that most of the shows have a light cam Or we have to go to a sponsor or something where you could, you know, quickly pee if you had to. Right.

Just time it correctly. Absolutely. Not like in the middle of your interview. Well, we have this new cigar going out.

Ooh, hey, I gotta pee. I'll be right back. You guys just talk amongst yourselves. Absolutely.

Right. All right, now what are we doing? Oh, well, let's get into the news. Oh, wait, Phil's Fun Facts!

We have a Phil's Fun Fact. Okay, we're doing Phil's Fun Facts. Yeah, do that, we'll do that. Welcome to Cigar Hustlers Podcast Feature, Phil's Fun Facts.

Hello, peoples. In ancient Rome, it was common for men to have relations with both women and men. But the social status of the partner is playing a big role. A big role.

The Romans believed that a man should always take the dominant role in sexual relationship, regardless of whether his partner was male or female. One unusual practice was that of the spintria, small coins or tokens that depicted various sexual acts, including same-sex interactions. These tokens were sometimes used in brothels or as kind of an entrance fee to certain gatherings, Showcasing the open yet complex views on sexuality in that society. Is that it?

That's it. Oh, that's nice. Oh, interesting. Interesting fact.

Do you have those coins? Yeah. I don't have a coin. Would you consider yourself a power bottom?

No? No. He's shaking his head no. He's not a power bottom.

He's a top. I don't think it's a top. You don't think it's a top? What's the other option?

Maybe you should ask Justin? A softer bottom? You should ask Justin maybe? Yeah, we'll ask Justin.

com and search a Cigar Hustler Podcast. Thank you for your support. Thank you for your support. And they're having a fall festival.

Who? Braze Ranch. Braze Ranch. No, not the Romans.

Okay. Corn maze, pumpkin patch, and all sorts of things. Nice. We're going to go.

We like Sarah. We want to go. I don't know if Ben will be back, but we like Sarah. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah. Alright, now you can hit the news. From the four corners of the world, all the cigar industry news you could possibly need. Except there's the Cigar Hustler Podcast Report with Mike, too.

Christopher May leaves Rocky Patel, launches his own company. Oh, boy. Christopher May, a long-time employee at Rocky Patel Premium Cigars, has left the company, is branching out on his own with a new company that aims to help cigar brands with international sales. Oh.

Not AI, as everybody else is doing. August 9th was May's last day with the company, ending a 21-year run with Rocky Patel. That's a long time. That's a long time.

His title was Director of Global Business Development, and May was the company's point person for international sales and distribution, which included more than 100 countries in five different continents. I thought you were going to hit a button. No. He will now offer those services to other companies through his new entity, Christopher May Premium Cigars.

That's pretty smart. That's very interesting. Yeah, I thought it was, too. 21-year career of international cigar business.

He knows how to do it. He knows how to do it. He knows the ins and outs. He's got the connects.

100 countries and 17 continents. Now, you told me Christopher May is going to start his own cigar. " That's where I thought it was going. Yeah, that's what I thought it was doing.

" May won't be responsible for distribution. That will be left up to his local distributors, but he will be able to assist with everything in between the factory and those distributors. This includes assistance with sales and marketing, shipping, import/export, tax and duty logistics, and even finding distributors. Very busy man.

The company's first client is Esteban Carrera, which will be distributed in Germany by Kopp Tobacco & Company Previously known as Kohlhausenkopf, the same company that distributes Rocky Patel. Makes sense. He's got connections. Yeah, he connects.

Big shocker. We're thrilled to partner with Esteban Carrera. Oh, this is for May. Okay.

We're thrilled. I thought it was a German. I was going to do the German. Yeah.

Can you do it anyways? Sure. We are thrilled to partner with Esteban Carrera Cigars. Thank you.

Yes. Said May in a price release. Their commitment to using only the finest, high quality aged wrappers are filled, or fillers sets them apart. Very nice.

May told Cigarister Podcast that he left Rocky Patel on good terms, so good in fact that his wife Irma still works for Rocky Patel. There you go. She cleans his house. Oh, really?

Not at all, she does. Wow. She might. I have no idea.

She could clean the house? She might. I don't know. She probably works for Rocky Patel.

That's how she works there. He left, she was allowed to stay. STG review grows during Q2 2024. Review grows?

Revenue, sorry. Okay. It was blocked by the microphone. Two different.

They're reviewing the revenue. Oh, they're reviewing the revenue? They're reviewing the revenue, yes. Then they come out with their revenue like a little while ago?

That was Q1, this is Q2. Pay attention. Wait, wait. More things happen.

Okay, I haven't read this article. Okay. I haven't either. I don't pre-read these.

Here's what I think they're going to say. Though our overall number of cigar sales have been down, the prices of things have been up, and that means that we have an increase in revenue. Hmm, close. After starting the year with a percent drop in year-over-year revenue for Q1, Scandinavian Tobacco Group has reported a positive Q2.

Most notably, STG's Q2 review was $350 million. 3% increase compared to Q2 of last year. 8 last year. Okay.

The company said that the growth was driven by handmade cigars. Handmade. Handmade. That's the lead in Nicaragua.

So the growth of handmade cigars and next-generation products, which include items like tobacco-free nicotine pouches. He's bought that one company. Last quarter, SCG indicated that a decline in machine-made cigars and smoking tobacco hurt its performance. The company says that those categories are improving.

It also disclosed that volume remains down, though it says it is improving. Boom. So there's that. 39 million.

1. Adjusted earnings per share were 61 cents. Sounds like they're gonna sell at some point. 1.

On July 1st, SDG announced that it had agreed to acquire Mac Barron, a pipe tobacco company, for roughly $77 million. We talked about that. Yes. But apparently.

I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting for my offer. That deal closed a couple of weeks ago. The Cigar Houses podcast, retail store, all of it.

$77 million is perfect. I'll take $77. I'll take $77, yes. com, and Cigora, C-I-G-O-R-A.

S. S. and international markets. It sells Agio, Alec Bradley, CAO, Macanudo, Room 101, and Taranio, still sells Taranio.

It doesn't sell Taranio anymore. STG also has a strong machine-made cigar business, especially in Europe, as well as units that include pipe tobacco, roll-your-own, and tobacco-free nicotine. They said just throw Taranio on there. Can you tell what the Ediba was again?

Ebitda? The Ebitda? Yeah. The Ebitda...

9. 39 million. So that's just cigars? No, that's all this stuff.

You said before special items. Before, yes. Because I'm just trying to figure out how they have $350 million and they're paying people $77 million and their Edeba is low. I'm just, I'm just thinking in my head here.

Oh, he's just thinking, he's just thinking. It seems to be working, the math seems to be maffing. I don't know. What is the multiplier for cigars?

7. 7. I believe Palmer. 7.

7. That's pretty high. Yeah. Are we moving on?

I think so. Any other questions? No, I've just been hearing this in the news lately, so it just sounds like they're going to sell. He's been hearing a lot.

Who's going to sell? They're going to sell STG? Maybe. I don't know.

Something of it. Who's going to buy them? China. Who's bigger than them?

China. That's the only one? That's it. Not Chinese tobacco company.

Saudi Arabia? So there's no tobacco company bigger than them? No! Do you hear all they own?

Have you not paid attention? com, Thompson Cigar, Pipes & Cigars, Cigara, General Cigar, Ford Cigar, which sells Cohiba, La Gloria, Cubana, Bartikus, Alec Bradley, CAO, Macanudo, Ruma 1, Taranio. Meanwhile, he could only send you one fucking lighter and a cutter. Right.

They have seven 7-Elevens, five Chick-fil-A's, and apparently one Arby's somewhere in Minnesota. We have the Beats. Right. Including pipe tobacco, roll your own, does not include pipe tobacco, roll your own tobacco, and nicotine-free pouches.

Can I get some type of CAO at that Arby's, is what I want to know. No, no, they're all separately and separate entities. So I can get like a number five. Number five with a CAO of something.

And, uh, Room 101, Johnny Tobacco. Well, Room 101 you can, yes. Oh, Room 101. Not CAO.

Okay. No. You notice how they didn't say anything about how they owned Room 101? Yeah, it's listed on there.

Is it? Macanudo, Room 101, and Taranio. Oh. The Jack, they don't mean the company, they own Jack.

Right. Yes. Makes sense. Viaje Welpskiverich, heading to select retailers.

WLP stands for White Label Project. Welp. It's, but it spells Welp. Dude, you just took me back to a, there was a football game back in the day when John Madden was announcing.

And he said, whoop? No, no, it was a missed field goal. Right. And it came up on, I guess on his comment as MFG, and he said, muf.

Oh, what is S-Z-I-V-A-R? One more time. It looks like silver. S-Z-I-V-A-R.

No idea. Hmm. It's a Ziva. Just about a week ago, VIA announced that it was releasing the Blunderbuss and the Dark Matter.

Two new cigars that are part of the company's white label project. Oh, Welp. There it is. It turns out that some stores will also be getting a third Welp release called Silver L.

At least two stores have begun posting that they will receive the cigar. Are we getting the Silver L? No. We never get anything.

We've been kind of pulling back on them. We don't go anywhere. We don't get anything. I just got back.

You did, I didn't get to go anywhere. Okay, so go. We didn't get to go to Colorado. You go, you go.

Work with Smoker Friendly, go ahead. I'm working on it, it's on my list. 24 per cigar. The silver L appears to be named from the Hungarian word for cigar.

Is it a 24 count box? Oh, it's Hungarian. Silver is Hungarian for cigar. Pizza?

No cigar, Hungarian for cigar. It appears that it's not yet in stores, as the retailers who have posted about the cigar are calling it pre-order, and it's due to arrive in the coming weeks. Juristate announces return of Sweet Jane, Dia de los Muertos. Return?

I didn't realize that they had one before. Apparently. Interesting. I don't wonder if they cleared that with, how about that cigar, don't they?

You know what's so funny that you fucking say that? Why? I text him. Texted who?

Matt Tai. Yes? I said, look at this. Look at this, they're using your thing.

This is a complete rip off of you. Yep. Yeah. What'd he say?

Did he get some kind of finder's fee? No, did he get something? Is he suing them? No.

He should sue them. He doesn't own the rights of the cigar name. Maybe he should've. But you know they took that from him.

Right. Like he took our, um, the thing, I can't remember what it's called. He took our thing? Our disclaimer.

Yeah, our disclaimer, thank you. New Liga Privada, 10 Anniversario Selection de Mercado. But that's fine, we want him to be safe. Sure, no, no, I don't mind.

Yeah. I don't know. You can take any of your stuff, it's fine. Sure, I don't care.

They're also getting a new Liga Privada, 10th Anniversario Selection de Mercado Corona Viva. " Yeah, I would laugh, that would be funny. During its recent Freestyle Live show, Wednesday, they're really overdoing the Freestyle Live thing, I think. Oh, they've beaten that dead horse right into the ground.

Yeah, they need to just do something else. The guy who comes with the name for the events has been fired or something? They don't have a person now? Oh, he's gone?

I'm guessing. I don't know. They're stuck with the Freestyle Live thing. I have no idea.

Dead Style Live? Look, you're gonna win something, too. Oh, let's see what you win. You get a Jeep or something.

Ooh. Let's see. Sweet Jane Dia De Los Muertos, a cigar that debuted in 2019 and celebrates the Day of the Dead holiday with a limited edition release. Right.

Cigar is a 6x52 box press store. Are we getting lost? Sure. Though the specifics of the blend were not disclosed.

They're not telling anybody. It's magic. It's pipe tobacco. We're not saying that.

We're not telling people. We're not telling people. Shh. It's a secret.

It's limited edition, but production numbers were announced. So it's not limited, but we're producing it. Oh, no. The production numbers were not announced.

Neither was the pricing. Yeah, it's unlimited. Unlimited. Yeah.

We don't want to say the price until we get there. Sweet Jane Dia de los Muertos is expected to begin shipping next month and will be able It will be available to all Drew Estate retailers and will come in updated packaging. Previously, this car had been available to Drew Estate branded lounges. We realized that we couldn't, that they weren't selling.

Yeah, nobody, yeah, we didn't sell enough that way, so we're gonna give them to everybody. Everybody, no. You know, this would be when you could hit a lot of Pedro sounds during this, but he's just over there, zoomed out of something. Now he's gonna find them.

Oh, this show is gonna be bananas right here. That would be the only one I didn't play. Doesn't fit the new story. It's Handmade in Estelina Nicaragua.

That would have been good. Yeah, that would have been good. Cigars are the fucking best. Right, those would have been good.

He started off so strong, too. He did. Well, he opened his box. He was very excited about his presence.

Yeah. It's Handmade in Estelina Nicaragua. Yes, and the cigar isn't available in the US. The rapper comes from Connecticut with a Rosado Carrillo.

What is this? This is something else. I transitioned. The Liga Bravada Selection de Mercado Corona Viva.

What's a long name? How big is that cigar with that band? It's got to go... They don't put it on there.

Oh, they don't put the name on it? No. How do you know what it is? Yeah, it's magic.

You just need to know. Oh, American. It's red. It's 6x46 Corona.

They're copying the jokes. It's crazy. We'll debut in September on my birthday, too. So, you know, my birthday, your cigar size.

Yeah. It's terrible. Tom's birthday. Launch event will be held in Switzerland.

Oh, we should go. Oh, yeah, let's go. Germany and Spain. We're big in Germany.

They love us there. Yeah, why not? Yeah. We'll call the German manufacturing people.

Yeah. They love us. The Germans love the Pols. They're huge fans.

They're huge fans. Okay, this car's not available, we don't care. S. version, we don't care.

Additionally, the company announced that the League of Bravada H99 Connecticut Coral Flying Pig will be featured at its events beginning... They're not coming up with new names for anything. No need to reinvent the wheel, buddy. Blackened?

Blackened to work though? Guess what? Blackened Connecticut. Oh, that's a great idea.

Yeah. But it's called black, why would we make a lighter cigar? Just go with it, 'cause when you light it, it's blackened. Oh, there you go.

Finally, the company announced it will be doing its best Freestyle Live event, October. This is the best one yet. This is the best one. And there will once again be an event pack that consumers can purchase with unmended, pre-release cigars.

We have those cigars that we can't get rid of, put 'em in the next Freestyle thing. Just throw 'em in there. Throw 'em in there. Don't put bands on 'em, but they won't know.

Are we boring you? You got 'em. I mean, we're talking about true estate, fuckin', you've beaten the horse of the Diaz. It's such a long-ass thing!

Alright, we got it, we got it, Diaz, don't mind us. Yeah, fuck Alfredo. Fuck Alfredo. The cigar is expected to be on the store shelves next week, okay.

Oscar Valladares! Yes? The man you love eating dinner with. Uh, yeah, family style.

Family style. Santiago Valladares Toro arrives at Cigora. This is a Cigora thing again, what is that? I have no idea.

Hmm. After debuting as a... I just want to know, this is where Jack will call us. " We're about to find out, let's see what it is here.

You gotta keep that down, by the way. I want to see your beautiful face when you talk. Oh, sorry. It doesn't say what it is, but they're making a Santiago Valladares Toro 652 Vitola with MSRP of $25.

In case the other three sizes of Toros produced at the Cummings factory in Donnelly, Honduras, a press release of cigars, blah, blah, blah, blah. Garnier Press release box of San Diego Vitale, currently available only at Cigara as part of exclusive soft launch. Oh, here it is! com, General Cigar, Ford Cigar, Room 1 Cigars, Alec & Bradley Cigars, seven Chick-fil-A's, five 7-Elevens, two Burger Kings, and three hookers on Sunset Drive.

You didn't say anything about the Arby's. They sold the Arby's since the last one? And the other cigar, yes, they got the hookers. I told you they were selling them.

They got the hookers and sold them. I told you they were selling them. They even bartered. They sold it to China.

Yes. It's unclear when the Santiago de la Torra will ship to other stores. It's only going to the Segura. Makes sense.

So, yeah, we're going to run around. All right, now we have a Florida story. I think I'd roll over the internet. Do you want to know what it is or no?

What, Segura? It's CI's attempt at a boutique arm. There you go. A boutique.

A boutique. Boutique. Well, it is a boutique, so it's CI's boutique. So it's just an arm?

Just like a sleeve? Like the left arm. Sister death. And they're not ambidextrous.

No, it's a little cumbersome, right? Yeah, it's all AI-looking. It's all AI-looking. All AI-looking.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, good. People like when you hold up things they can't see. That's nice.

If I hold it in front of the camera, then you guys get all mad because you get out of focus. True. Yeah, but you don't know how to do it. You just shove it in front of the lens an inch and a half away.

All right, here's a Florida story for Matt Tai. Oh. And how about that Cigar Hustler Podcast, that new show he's doing? Okay.

All right. A Florida woman's facing domestic battery charges after attacking her boyfriend with an Apple Watch. That's amazing. That's a boyfriend with the Apple Watch.

Wow. Yes, thank you for reiterating the headline. Was it a nine? Yeah.

m. Monday morning about some issues they had been having in their relationship turned violent when 35-year-old Kayleen Trestor whipped her Apple Watch across the room at his head. Is that really a salt? It's an Apple Watch.

He wasn't happy with her for a while, so this was the album. The watch hit the 35-year-old victim in the left ear causing a small cut which bled. Oh, like the guy who got shot, the baby was the other ear. You mean Donald Trump?

Yes. I didn't want to say his name. I don't know if we do politics. Oh, we just said, I mean, he did get shot.

We're not talking about politics. Oh, okay. Got an idea. Person.

I mean, I know that some people don't believe he got shot. So, I mean, there's that. Who knows? Maybe this guy didn't really get hit.

We're not doing politics. Yeah. Anyway, the watch hit the 35-year-old victim in the left ear causing a small cut which bled according to the affidavit. He died.

Cops also noted that the man's v-neck was stretched and torn by the defendant who grabbed him by the collar. Yes. The attack happened in the couple's home in Gulfport, where Kayleen lives with the victim and their three young children. Trezador, who had previously been busted by a DUI and leaving the scene of an accident, was given an order by a judge to have no contact with the victim, other than text messaging to coordinate childcare.

Oh, so she's done lost her shit because she got a DUI. DUI. She got a DUI. She's only allowed to text him.

She's very unstable. She's texting him all sorts of wild disgusting things to do. Give me my Apple Watch back so I can text you from prison. No, the Apple Watch has been, oh, was not confiscated by police.

She got the watch back. Okay. Yes, she's been arrested on assault charges. That's amazing.

And a divorce. Only allowed conduct. You can only text. Yeah.

One of my ex-wives only texted. You want vile stuff she used to send to me all the time? And I'd love when the phone would change it to duck. 'Cause then I would make fun of her.

You want me to duck myself? What? Like, oh, no. Oh, no.

Duckin'. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna duck. I don't know what it is. It corrects it, the duck.

Yeah, it makes it duck, yeah, so it's driver crazy. Howard the duck. Right. Howard the duck?

Was it that duck? I hate you. Oh, good. I knew that.

I knew that already. That part came through okay. Loud and clear. I can read that loud and clear.

Thank you very much. All right, oh, I have a shop of the week. Do you? Yes.

Now that I'm contacting shops, I get Shops of the Week. This is awesome. I don't have listeners, so I don't have listeners. Shop of the Week is Perfect Ash in Minnesota.

Go there for all posts on your products. That was it? It's the Shop of the Week. Would you like to do Listener of the Week, Michael?

Yes. Okay, hit the gong. Listener of the Week! Jason Wells.

Jason Wells, Listener of the Week. Yes. Alright, you got anything else? I think that's it.

Alright, it's been episode 349, oh wait, is this, what are you doing, oh, it's in the middle, that was a very interesting thing by Coop, he backpedaled his way through the, uh, the interview. We're going to talk about that, huh? It's true. I'm just reiterating, it's the end of the show, I'm wrapping it up.

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Hey, lord. Thanks for the Patreon, because apparently Mickey Pegg's in the car.

Uh, that's right, we gotta call Mickey Pegg. Oh, but, apparently. Alright, end it. host Mike Szczefankewicz with any feedback or suggestions that you have for their shows.

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Show Notes

In Episode 349 of *A Cigar Hustlers Podcast*, the hosts sit down for a detailed interview with cigar industry legend William Cooper. They dive into the intricacies of recent events, including a candid discussion on whether the hosts may have crossed a line with comments about another podcast. Phil brings his unique flair with a special segment of Gay Fun Facts, offering an in-depth look at his lifestyle and how it intersects with the cigar industry. Plus, get ready for cigar news like you’ve never heard it before. This episode is packed with insight, humor, and the no-holds-barred conversation you've come to expect. Tune in!