Cigar Hustlers Podcast Episode 268 Part 1 Sometimes They Coma Back Again

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Welcome to the cigar Hustlers

podcast episode 268 with your

host.

Michael the king step on cabbage

and his Producer, Mike bdp

Palmer.

This week, we would like to

welcome back to the show

International cigar celebrity

mr.

Skip Martin.

And Mike Rosales, Michael

Michael Brazil.

That wasn't my fault and me.

I'm Phil your cameraman.

My favorite part of Greg's

wedding was when skip nozzle,

boots neck.

Do you know everyone at this

table is named Michael.

Oh yeah, this is all right,

right.

You are too aren't you.

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that doing presence of the

wedding?

And yes, but should be happening

this week.

Is it this week?

Yeah, I'll reach out to him.

Make sure that we get it ironed

out.

I think you guys could use a

rack above in the office

upstairs.

I think that you can use a rack

above it, your house.

I don't have enough shit in the

garage.

I don't use garbage just above,

you don't use garbage.

What are you saying?

Are you saying that I have

garbage in my house?

Sir.

There's a pretty good, you've

got, six different things.

You got at least two different

Robot, vacuum cleaners, right

next to each other.

Oh, once I mopped.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's too

much.

One is a vacuum of one is a mom.

I thought you didn't use the

vacuum anymore, or do you don't

use the mop.

There's one of me and I don't

use the vacuum.

Okay.

You need to declutter your life.

I do.

I'm a I'm all about

decluttering.

Are you Fong shui?

Well, we can clutter your life a

little bit.

I'll give you some of my shit.

No, let me perfect.

It's your rack above for

Christmas and you can take my

shit and put it in your house

would be empty.

A rack above with Steve that you

met at the wedding.

The guide missing a couple of

fingers of one hand that's the

rack of the rack above guy.

That's his product.

Yeah.

Well my so like I have one

closet that has one box that has

a Christmas tree and folds up

like this week.

Is the same dead Charlie Brown

Christmas tree every year.

As in legal, nice would be on a

four-foot shell.

Throw all the way up on the

floor.

Massage table in there.

That's I don't like extra.

I don't like stuff.

My can tell you yeah, it's very

simplistic.

I'll throw it away or tell us

might give it away.

Well, I mean, it's like give it

away.

I haven't used this in a couple

of weeks, you want it, but and

then I just throw it away.

It's a refill for the doesn't

matter.

I know you buy a new one.

You have a coffee maker.

I have like five coffee.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, hold on,

you know it's not complicated at

all.

They all have a place to have a

specific meaning.

When I got my last coffee thing,

the new fellows pour over thing.

Hmm.

I had to put the cold brew thing

up in the pantry.

It's time to.

What's it doing in there man?

There's only so many spaces on

the counter.

What's it doing in there?

You're not going to use it.

Why is it getting his own

coffee?

Set up at his house?

So Like about the Cobra let's

break this down Mi star like

coffee store.

All right because if I can

Barista You Came the impressive

setup.

It's all delicious.

If I set down from going to

Michael says that you want

coffee.

Even if I don't want coffee,

right?

Fuck yeah.

One coffee.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Well class it is, it is you want

to talk about the cold brew?

No talking dope.

Only seconds with purple, the

Cobra.

My house.

Yeah, I got the no.2 going.

It's nice.

It's called you got the new

thing at Christmas.

That's one of those things that

sounds good on paper, but like

the, the Nitro Cobra we have So

we have two beer taps at the

awesome.

Huh and they switched one of

them too because we weren't

going to the Beer fast enough.

They switch 12 cold brew and

right.

You know, you're not a fan of

it.

I don't like it.

I think it's money.

I've had the one that well, you

know, the one that you had it's

got more, it's got more foam to

it or just follow me.

Yeah.

Ours doesn't have that much.

Crank It Up.

We need to adjust that.

Yeah, you just got to gauge the

nitrous that's all after.

Sean sends means lighter.

I'll tell them.

They would just, I mean when I

drink cold brew coffee, it's

like eighty eight point three

percent sugar and milk anyway.

Wow, so it's nice.

It's got to be really.

Did you get to the point 3?

I mean, 88.

You're really specific.

They're almost in a measure.

There's a guard.

He's like .3 sugar.

So we had a mean we've had a fun

weekend so far, we're hanging

out.

There's a lot of bonding going

on.

Yeah, a lot of shopping

unfortunately, unfortunately,

for shopping our lands in the

studio, she understands a lot of

shopping and Skip looking at

her.

So notice that she looked away,

she was like, well she started

with the fuck you eyes and then

drifted away as any loving wife

look yeah talking about and

unfortunately filled in and make

it to the wedding.

Wedding.

But boots was there.

So.

Well.

Phil was inviting.

Yeah.

Phil wasn't invited that cut off

toward an had big tent.

Yeah, I already was pretty

salted.

There was an illustrator for

Jeff moute also did not also not

included, unfortunately, but he

was in Cuba.

I went to Cuba has raised,

excuse, smoking, post, Anya's

right with everybody.

Yeah, I mean, it was the crying

baby or yes.

So, the crime, baby one.

Yeah, but we'll have to say pain

in parked cars.

It look just like you, he's

gonna be so excited that he was

mentioned on this podcast.

You can have me.

He's very upset that he didn't

get to meet them because they

believe well he could have done

it today but he was tired.

Right?

So busy problem.

So I have a beef with the guy

parking cars.

I heard?

Yeah right.

Okay so we pull up, there's he's

there.

He's the first experience you

have at this event.

The how we met at venue.

Yes.

So he's leaning against the

thing looking like not giving.

The fuck just got picked up off

the highway so we could kind of

say, Hey, you know, he goes park

anywhere, you want.

So we pull up right behind

Greg's car Turn off the engine,

get all our stuff together.

We get out of the car, he waits

until right when I was getting

out of the car goes, oh, but you

can't park here like well, You

Leave You Led with anywhere and

he's like, we can't have two

rows here and I'm like Is it

wears, just clearly a space

here, right?

What we can have two rows here.

So I'm like, okay, of course,

when we came out of the wedding,

there were two rows were to

rotate.

Yeah.

I think he just, I think he just

didn't like, maybe the way

somebody looked at him and

decided to pull a power move.

I don't know.

Could be, it's a weird Mansion.

So this is so that, you know,

the story behind the mentioned,

here's what I heard allegedly.

So apparently this is the guy

who figured out how to paste

your eyes, pasteurize, one of

the fuck orange juice, okay?

So it's old and ancient and all

this other fucking shit.

But like, there are specific

rules that aren't that go on in

that place, that were fucking

kind of like, no.

I just shut the fuck up.

We're gonna, I'm gonna know I'm

doing whatever I want.

You don't have the control lady

running.

It was a little bit of a knots

but of a Gestapo.

Yeah, a little bit, a little

intense, you know, there was a

couple of them.

You should have seen the really

old curmudgeon young lady that

was in the office when I met at.

So I got there early to do the

dinner rehearsal or the

pictures.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I got their pre

morning shit.

So I had to take a poop when I

would want to roll through and

the only bathroom that you use

in the office, I'm like, well,

I'm not shy and you're gonna,

that was a real office.

Not just set up.

Ya know, that's where she works

for the bathrooms too, because

where the venue was downstairs,

there's one little one, you

know, kind of guest bath.

That's the bathroom in the

office for 80 people, right,

right.

And I'm like, hey, there's a

line of like six people drunk

Bridesmaids.

Maids, right?

Kids holding themselves and it's

like a whole thing.

I'm like, you know, this kind of

been right?

There's not in this whole place.

There's no other bathroom, no.

Wow, that's that's how many told

you my God.

There's not one upstairs because

I heard it was one upstairs.

Knows no one.

You can't go upstairs.

I'm like, that's not what has is

there?

So I asked the waitress, is it?

Hey, is there another bathroom?

Because there's the staff bath

is one of the kitchen.

Yeah, yeah.

I go back through the kitchen

and it's literally nicer than

the spacious.

Yeah, it's space.

Except for the sinks on the

outside.

That's fine.

But you could have a whole thing

in there.

You know rest.

Yeah, whatever.

Yeah.

Or get a snack, being a

bridesmaid whatever you want.

I'm sure I think

somehow they found out about the

kitchen, man.

They've discovered The bathroom.

Those rat bastards.

Yeah.

So, Which was that fucking

weird?

It just seems like, it seems

like there should be a, like, a

number of bathrooms per guest.

Like, if you can have 100

guests, you should have at

least, you know, what's kind of

funny is.

I bet that they have like,

there's some type of Permitting

that has shown.

Yeah, well, we have all these

toilets but then they don't let

you use it right when we were

upstairs.

I'm glad that we're dissecting

all the things that went wrong

but it wasn't.

First of all, it was a girl,

lovely wife.

And lovely went off, was it

fantastic experience.

Will you can break down some of

the cool shit but this is some

of the weird shit that We got to

experience.

So we're upstairs was as

groomsmen, right?

And you can't go on the bed.

I heard the bed was pretty what?

All right, I'll just leave that.

Okay, is that where you were

heading?

I was going.

Yes.

Yes.

What's the podcast?

What I'm trying to tell the

story.

What are you just cut me off.

Scamming on pick one morning out

here is it wasn't just a thing.

You noticed I heard from like

five six.

Yeah.

There was a thing with the bed.

Yeah.

So in order to use the bathroom,

you have to go into this one

bedroom, that's good and it has

like a Jack and Jill bathroom

and they go, but don't touch the

bag.

Bed.

Like what if I want to jump on

the fucking bed?

What if I want to?

Instigator you hadn't told me,

right?

Yeah, whatever you did.

I would have walked right past

the bed alone, right now, I'm

inclined to fucking live to see

why I can touch.

I wanna go under the bed.

I want to move the sheets, you

know, but don't mess up the

sheet.

Yeah, not us.

So did you and your damn

business?

Would you like boots boots

boots?

Yeah.

Use the bathroom in the bedroom

that I can't touch the bed.

And there's piss all over the

toilet seat so you know who that

was.

So I'm not going to say exactly

who was probably.

Like I say exactly who it was,

but I'm going to tell you this,

I fucking know that it's only

one of six men that are in the

same room that are sharing this

bathroom.

And then here's the second thing

that make matters, worse.

Second episode of knives out.

Yeah, who pissed on the did so

well, it becomes a Seinfeld

episode for me, right?

So, so now I'm pissed off that

there's piss on the seat

especially because it's only six

fucking slabbed In the other

room number one, number two, I

go to wash my hands and I unwrap

the fucking soap, that's not a

good sign.

So that means and I know pretty

much all of the groomsmen have

been in this bathroom at this

point, that none of them use the

soap to wash their hands.

On Mike, you guys are a bunch of

fucking Savages.

I mean, what the fuck is wrong?

You know, there's going to be,

we're going to be shaking hands.

You guys are all touching this

shit, like what the fuck?

Be somewhat clean, my everybody

gets Deb's, just you know.

Okay, okay, like you rat

bastard, you too.

It was remarkable.

So that like, Greg son came

around with the handgun.

One of the people that left the

battle and I fucking caught him

in the hallway.

I said you motherfucker, you

didn't wash your hands, because

yes, I did.

Now you just fucking lied to me

like this is that we're starting

his family.

Is this how we're he has a

stepson?

Yeah, axle to do with the

ponytail in these sort of maroon

suit.

Listen, I'm your fucking Uncle.

Don't you lie to your uncle,

I'll murder, you ought right

now.

You're right.

Uncle Mikey, Mikey.

So, Robbie, Grossman wearing the

black belt said yeah, a little

bit.

Oh, I couldn't. couldn't I could

not see anything else really the

large cats got, so they're

wearing all white and he had to

tell ya, And I noticed he had a

black belt.

Here's what's lame about that,

right?

What's lame is the excuses and

shit that you hear about it, you

know, I couldn't find one in my

size like I can come.

I can understand that.

If you had two months to prepare

for this, that's what I don't

understand.

Then you could have gotten the

white belt, you know what I

mean?

He was out like a thief in the

night to he was gone before.

Daddy?

Yeah, I don't think he ate yells

on fucking poof but he always

does that when he's here though.

He's sort of drives up, shows up

in the middle and then just

around for a while, and then

he's out.

He normally has his kids with

him.

He's a boy, really kind of walk

to.

So he was at our wedding, right?

And then our wedding he fucking,

I love the guy to death, he hit

us both.

Let me see.

The full disclaimer, he Kate

does, every time you talk shit

about somebody's like, okay, but

I'm my mother but I there wasn't

like, you know what it is.

It's like I don't know.

Like, when you're good friends

with somebody, you can openly

say the things that fucking piss

you off about them, right?

What Have the case may be?

Yeah, right, you know, so, yeah,

I mean boots, definitely knows

and filled that Latinos because

I'm happy to let him know of all

the things that he doesn't judge

me.

Fucking nuts.

So at my wedding 12 years ago,

he fucking booted, both

Brittany, and I in the face with

our cake and then he vanished

afterwards, we didn't see him.

So I'm explaining to him as I

just want you to know.

I'm expecting my brother and

Alex to experience the same

thing as far as the cake is

concerned and he said, oh, I

can't do that.

Noise.

Like like utter Panic starts

kind of hitting his face.

I don't get is why you left her.

That's probably why I split.

I think if I leave before the

cake, I can't handle.

No I didn't do it.

Really put the like just

handfuls and walked up and

wanted us.

Oh wow, it's a big ham.

Yeah, well, they cut the cake

with that even let anybody no,

no, no was there when they cut

the cake.

Yeah, there's a big Greg and I

would cut the cake.

I did not see who he's Dei

cuando court on a cake.

There's a picture.

She said, no, I didn't see a

picture of it.

You got to try the highlights

donut slamming Donuts on fire

where they just.

Yes, I saw them on fire, I

didn't see him on fire.

I brought the kids to fire the

boys, ate four or five helpings

of the dog.

They were delicious tea ice

cream with the ice cream revs.

Yeah, those are money.

Now, the lights.

The little lights foam lights

that you get into the kids

fucking love, though.

They beat the shit out of each

other and then When mr.

Michael over here, went ahead

and stamped my son with Wayne

and I got a good, he's got a

gun, he's got a gash on.

His forehead was like make sure

you when you go to school

tomorrow you let him know you

kick my ass.

Matt hunt selling cigars at the

wedding was was how does he see

my class right now?

You know you got to pay for the

guess what?

It's for getting out there, it

was either that a pasta sauce

which one it's an hour drive and

you know and everybody was

wearing that you want some sauce

on those doughnuts and the

groomsmen were wearing white,

you didn't want to play with

your right side, the rent.

Otherwise, the weather was nice,

but it was perfect.

It was a little windy, but I'd

prefer that over fucking was a

nice breeze.

Yeah, and it was short, it was

mercifully short.

Short, which I always I'm a fan

of, you know.

No, not the long drawn-out.

It was comical to.

There was a little, there were

some nice, you know, some comedy

really.

Yeah.

The guy that works wearing the

referee to.

He did a pretty that was

requested.

Yeah.

Okay.

He was saying something about

Falafel or something though.

Waffle they both had waffles and

when I got to the zoo were

awfully, awfully marry people.

Yeah, I've never seen people

mess that up like that.

Yeah, I don't know if this is a

requirement of his licensing but

he likes to mention who he's a,

you know, You're supposed to say

that he led the power invested

in me by, he likes to mention

his personal Universe, Universal

Life Church, and the State of

Florida, it's realtor.

It's a real charge out in

Colorado.

Praise God.

It's part of the as far, you had

one engine.

And here's the one thing I plug,

he gets us.

Here's so, here's the one thing

that you fucked up on is you

didn't give them you a true made

them.

Say too many words at the same

time.

Like you were trying to rush

through a second part.

I had written pause in the Now

section, you know I do you Greg

Paws take Alex pause but the

best part was when we had to

flip you had to flip around your

notes so they could read it

because they couldn't get it.

Quite right.

They couldn't quite get the

wording.

Yes.

Okay.

Right here.

It says right here.

No, I've learned that from

translating.

Yeah.

You have to do it in short.

Yeah.

You got to do like size three

words otherwise it's just okay.

Basically what he said was

exactly do you yes do you start

you fucking was it was that

space ball to you?

Yes do you?

Yes good.

You're married.

Guess ed kids.

I rap.

All right, let's fucking move

on.

Yeah, so I think the wedding was

cool.

Then the Mission Inn hotel was

kind of nice.

We hung out afterwards, but we

didn't see you.

You were busy for a little bit,

your little wrapped up, then

commit early, here's the deal.

Here's the deal with.

What?

How I know how to hang out with

the tornado?

That is Roma craft.

Okay.

If come by fucking 130, if

you're not downstairs, I'm

fucking out.

Because if I am downstairs by

the time you come downstairs at

1:30, it's a 67.

Am fucking ordeal.

Had you have been start?

If you were on there at 10 8, 10

p.m.

I know that I probably could

have gotten away with like a

three or maybe a four.

But if you're what time did you

go to bed?

so though it's Monday, Greg and

Greg and Dana and boots and his

wife and Chad.

I think they left about too. 220

230 or something.

Okay, I think it's like an hour

after that.

So it was still up.

That's still pretty early for

you 3:30.

Surprised they let him carry on

with the boom box as long as

they did.

Yeah.

There weren't a whole lot of

guests at that hotel.

I don't think there was a big

Indian wedding going on there.

Yeah, honestly, I didn't mean it

was booked.

That's why we stayed somewhere

else.

I think it's the way that the

Acoustics are pitching.

So like because you guys were in

that little cubbyhole went out.

It rejected out towards the golf

course and not really hitting

the hotel rooms.

So mean my hotel room wasn't Far

over and I actually stayed on my

patio and smoked a little bit

and hung out.

And I couldn't hear any of that.

I mean, it is North Florida.

I'm sure they've seen someone.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like, listen, if you're not

selling math and competing with

the hotel, they're really not

going.

They've seen Sam.

But we were literally, like,

right underneath the actual

entrance of the hotel.

Yeah.

But you couldn't hear.

It was cool.

Couldn't hear it.

Yeah, it wasn't bad.

So donuts with it.

We're the best.

That was a highlight for me.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was short brief.

Yeah.

Except for the Bridesmaids

toast.

What do you think of my speech?

Give me give me some feedback

was all right, I mean, yeah, I

feel like I mean look how I just

read it on a piece of paper, I

would be like, yeah, that's

touching what, right?

You know.

But after the beautiful speech

that the maid of honor gave

right the heart touching,

heart-touching hurricanes, dead

people, right?

Not even her primary language,

right?

He gets up there and it just

seemed a little Little short.

It seems a little half-ass.

Yeah.

Compared to her I expected it to

be longer you did.

Yeah.

You got to a point I was like

okay here comes something like

and that's it.

Congratulation time I got the

message.

Yeah.

Get the gist of everything was

well done.

Yeah.

What do you think, Michael?

I thought that it was good and

he didn't like it is.

Okay, perfect.

You know, I don't know, man.

I didn't have a lot to deliver

on, I just felt like, hey, it

was like, it was like, the

lyrics were right, but I wasn't

feeling that.

The sincerity of it.

Yeah, I wasn't feeling the tune

well that I delivered exactly

how I wanted them, so it's

perfect.

All right, great, a little sad

if I was great.

Yeah, I was hoping for like a

tear something, maybe a little

song.

I was an endearing story about

when you were young.

I don't have any of those.

And now, you get to pass you and

bring it to pass him off to

somebody else, to take care of

them.

Oh, that would have been good.

Yeah, hmm.

No longer our responsibilities

were very sorry, it's not yours.

I feel like I'm losing a son but

getting a right, a crazy,

sister-in-law.

Isabella.

Well let's I'm actually, I found

out about the chickens in night

before because he talked about

the coop.

Do the I did want to mention the

fourth in the 55 forgot to

mention, I was going to bring up

kayaks to like because yeah,

we're Outdoors is a went

kayaking.

You know what, here's what

really fucked me up on my

speech.

I'll tell you assholes chiming

in.

Oh, the chickens.

Like, what the fuck.

And that was no is I think was

the other side Palmer twerking

highlight.

You know.

So so I kind of, you know, at

that point I had really, you

know, I'm like I'm kind of

losing my train of thought now

because you guys like I put my

pieces together briefly, right?

You know, Mike, I know.

Okay, I can do this no problem,

right?

So here's my advice to you after

Greg gets a divorce and he's

getting married.

So the next time, your second

extra money, just write it down.

I didn't want to write, I know,

you didn't want to, but I know

your hearts in the right place.

I just think I need to get

better at it.

Yeah, you know I think there's a

for access to delivering you

know, they think that's what.

Yeah.

You know.

I really believe that same thing

every time.

I just think that I can I can

shoot it off the hip.

If I have like some Cliff Notes,

really kind of pieced together

and know exactly what and my

kind of practice it.

I refuse to do that on this one.

You couldn't throw it.

You could have thrown in a few

Spanish words.

Yeah.

You know just for cultural

Outreach right?

Like what I list the other

highlighted them waiting for me

honestly stead of chickens how

we went from you know kind of

North Florida Gator.

Billy Good Times.

Yeah.

To the the cultural stuff Loco.

I was a little disappointed that

every song that they did have

the same song pattern like they

didn't.

It is well baby.

It was good.

It was entertaining.

You don't get to see it all the

time.

Aren't on any good time Dancing.

Yeah she was close to twerking

so you can

It's something that you don't

see all the time.

And from that point on, like,

there were two different types

of.

Yeah, right.

Like that, the guy with the

Stilton that group, if they just

shown up earlier, it would have

been.

It would have been better, I

think because that's when the

party kind of really got.

Yeah, that was a nice touch.

I liked when the band came in

with the guy.

Well, the one thing here's the,

the deal with this DJ, he comes

up to me at the beginning.

I said, Hey, listen, even do you

need With anything as the best

man, you trying to solve any

problems, right?

You need any help with anything.

Let me know.

He goes actually, I do need some

help.

Like, okay, what do you need?

What are they want to hear?

And I'm like, excuse me.

He passed out those cards.

That you basically gave him

request and he played literally

every request because there's

anything.

You had good DJ's, never take.

Well, no, and he goes well, they

tried contacting them to get

over.

It was the day, probably they

call him.

We were right?

Yeah, right now, for the

bachelor party.

Yeah.

And they never got back to him

as to what they wanted to hear.

I mean, I swear to God if he to

played put your right foot in

put your right foot out, I'll go

buggy like he was doing the

chicken dance.

He was doing like a bar mitzvah

at a roller rink, I would not

have been surprised.

It would be like, okay I saw

this coming okay but so you know

the hokey-pokey so I say that

because it's I don't really

think that that's so much on the

DJ is it is that the lack of

kind of kind of naive occasion

on a DJ?

He was, how would he know what

trouble of the worst EG I've

ever when you book them.

You should go to that stuff, but

that's what I'm saying.

They tried to work that out and

then he said that he no one had

can't.

There was no reach.

I kind of disagree.

I feel like the people planning

the wedding have a whole lot of

other stuff going on.

It's like if they had specific

request.

Sure.

You know, I was so what you got

to know what, you're going to

come out to what?

That what the right?

So they had those things ironed

the mother.

Yeah.

What other daughters?

Yeah.

And then you got to have all

that stuff.

So when you And once you have

all that ironed out you go into,

okay?

Give me your.

Give me your mix.

Like, look, I mean what Alex

said what she really wanted?

Was rock music.

I did hear that.

Yeah, before.

Yeah.

So there you go.

I think I feel like do

delivered.

No, not even on any level.

Hmm, I literally could have put

it any song on my phone and hit

create a station and it would

have been better than it would

have been three times better

than what he know, right?

Filter is still that's Phil.

I think they would have the

Michael Mike Productions.

DJ priorities, the camera angle.

I mean, if you were there, you

know, but how right.

Right, right.

No boots.

Is telling me about all the

music.

Yeah.

All right, we have the exact

same setup.

That guy had speakers?

Blurred lights.

Everything would've been.

I know it would have been Chet

behind it.

Instead of yeah, that Jim kept

striking.

So they enjoy the party.

Enjoy the party.

I understand.

He looks good.

Too.

Many looks dress up.

Nice.

Yeah.

Sharp, as he was fat. wow,

the illusion of it was like With

the opening and his groomsmen

thing made him look pregnant.

You know what's really

remarkable Rihanna came out of

it goes and she didn't you just

have a baby, she pregnant.

Same conversation I heard about

the identical.

Yeah, you know, the poor, the

problem with boots, his boots is

really trying to diet down

before he before the wedding.

I mean, there, there was a

couple days there, you know, out

of a month where he was really

tight, really tight on the bed,

right?

It was really, I mean, the

couple days after that he wasn't

but there were a few days that

there.

Were some attempts that he was,

you know, he's pretty dedicated

you show up in one of those

wrestling like the single I

think.

Yeah, the know the bags are so

kind of like this.

What's amazing is it's not now

it's not just doing these

people.

Remember, Only the Lonely

Journey.

All right, so Super Bowl.

Yeah, Super Bowl.

Super Bowl can turn into a

little bit of this bright.

You can't skip over brunch

brunch.

Yeah, we did have brushes.

You didn't attend brunch.

Oh man.

Now if this were a great mom

showed up, Mom's was flexing my

yeah, my mother always tried to

drop the hammer on me.

Your brother got a little uppity

with the staff.

Okay, well, I'm not surprised.

She told him.

She was not being paid attention

to enough.

She needs more appetizers, and

drinks to come by her, love that

wife.

What I can tell you, when, when

we hit Peak, what's her

nickname?

Bob, she laptops you.

When we have Chic botching,

yeah, was when they put electric

slide on.

Yeah, I'll see.

You went out there.

They had to play it twice

because she was so in the

groove.

Oh yeah.

It was like it was like run that

back.

Exactly.

It was like it was like this was

her moment to shine so and she

just did she did yeah.

She was telling said, you know

who I am.

So I don't know if Bob she was

maybe she was inebriated, maybe

she wasn't but She was, she had

driven back to the hotel in my

aunt handicap van.

She was the driver, my aunt was

in the in her wheelchair in the

back and something had happened,

were Bob's, you took a quiet

quite a turn and lock her down

and I have I had to go and pick

her up and get her.

Yeah.

Let's go get her back in the

chair.

Back in the chair, we kept

swatting me on the ass when I

walk by her 2000.

You're a contestant on The Price

is Right?

But early.

Yeah, yeah.

But your father after all my oh

Great.

Well, because it gives about

take my wife, who went in with

her perhaps last midnight.

Like, no, you don't.

That's, we're gonna, we're

gonna, we're gonna throw down.

If this is the first and last a

slap where those shiny pink

shorts?

Yeah.

It's, you know, it's dangerous.

Guys they and in Ireland techno

know he just does that.

He did not.

She said that just gives over.

She's okay.

And then and then Jamie says

Jamie says well he gets one a

year with me Bridget is okay

that he gets one of your with me

though.

Look at you know just away some

of the same day space that's on

the center of gravity.

Yeah, so so brunch.

Yes we do.

So that was kind of a unique

kind of thing because it was

brunch with the family.

Yes and she had gotten there and

had the tables also.

Like yeah.

Meanwhile there's like this

Valentine brunch is going on

over here.

Yes it not for that had all the

good food yeah.

Doing the basic brunch that we

had was just like, you know, you

still want a waffle, a pancake

or so then But there was this

there was like a little tension

when we went to go sit down.

Oh yes.

Yes, I was like another room.

So you know Mike's like can I

just pretend I'm with the

Valentine's party so you know,

my mom's got this thing where

he's got it there's his

immediate family post-wedding

thing because she did it in mind

to.

And you know this is where the

groom gets us.

It's like it's like sitting with

Mickey Mouse, right?

So the groom will come down and

sit with a show them off.

Yeah.

You know like this is her moment

and she has these two tables.

Reserved for immediate family.

So I'm like, okay, well, we're

going to sit down just like, but

you have to people that aren't

immediate family go, well, their

family to me.

So if you don't want me to

fucking sit at this table, I'll

go sit over there.

Shaco, no, it's okay.

I'm like, oh, great, thanks,

thanks so much.

We'll sit down.

So then we sit down and she's

okay.

Just want you to know we're, you

know, I'm going to cover all of

it and, you know, cover your

friends to I'm like, okay,

great, thanks so much.

Thanks, you don't gotta cover

me.

Yeah.

We're how much, how many times

do I sit down at dinner?

And I don't have to fucking

reach in my wallet.

With these two guys.

You know what I mean?

Either one of you.

Yeah.

It's not going to be an issue.

Don't worry.

If you don't want to cover,

there's I'll cover this for

fuck's sake, you know.

So but it was.

Yeah, it was, it was comical for

me.

It's always it's always

interesting, any type of

interaction with Bob.

She's so you know, she's been

but she's been trying lately.

I'm going to get I will give her

that.

There has been more effort on

Bob.

She's end when it comes to like

child involvement and other

community like in the pictures

with the kids.

Yeah.

So I think animal bathed in

cleaned up and everything she

Really taken to get some quality

bathing.

Those kids are bathed every

fucking day every day, but

they're still savages, they are

said yeah.

But you know, those kids are

still a little dress that got

all, they got chocolate milk

spilt all over.

So yeah, we did have that to.

Yeah.

So she she had a special dress

heady.

Yeah, right?

Teddy had it.

She was in her nightie because

she refused to get out of it.

No, not with nitrous.

Yeah, it was cool, right?

I'm a princess but in somehow,

like, I kept, she was sitting

next to you.

Dover.

And I can just kind of keep

scooting the cup up, right?

It is like that's kind of fall,

very mature shit.

It did and went all over town.

Yeah.

And they also from the brunch.

Well, I can see why this is the

number one cigar podcast as we

totally are number one, which is

insane, it's happened.

But for all the people who

didn't get invited Keanu, it was

a cigar basically we just

hustlers Wedding date.

We basically just summed it up

for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Some drinking.

Those smoking smoking.

I got kicked out for smoking.

Did you?

Yeah.

I was I was like on the edge of

the door window they had open

them up.

Yeah and and she's like, you're

going to have to move them.

You want me to move to feet that

way?

Yes, you can't smoke in here.

Like okay.

So I'd stood two feet away, blew

the smoke into the room, not

intentionally, but it's just

happened.

It was always the wedding Nazi

lady.

Yeah, she was having none of

that stuff smoke Nazis.

I did you guys used to smuggle

slaves through down here and

illegal bug Speak Easy Bar like

it a rest, but there was So

those are times you are in the

basement.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then it used to connect to

the house over on the corner but

they had like Underground

Railroad tunnels or something.

Going through there.

Yeah.

Sometimes he's like stay explain

that one of the ten the tunnels

linked to the front house on the

corner there am I?

So is he fucking his wife or

something?

As the first thing I said

Gardener like come on man.

He went to go hang out with him

all the way.

Only the old pineapple symbols

all the way down.

Yeah.

So then we did a little Super

Bowl action at the house.

That was not.

That was probably that's maybe

the best Super Bowl party I've

ever been to.

Oh whatever I think.

So thanks.

I've been to a lot of Super Bowl

things.

It was it will the food

decoration and layout spread was

pretty dope.

That is 100%, I'll bring those

a, that's Brittany.

Yeah, she went, she went nuts.

I mean, this is kind of

formulated quickly, right?

So like, hey, why don't we just

come?

Watch the game at your house,

Mike?

Okay.

Then that was the end of it.

And think any more of it you

guys can come, whatever.

Watch the game.

Well simple what are we doing

for food?

I'm like, okay, well, we could

just cook pork, you know, just

put in that way.

We get a Sushi Boat next time

we'll have a discussion about.

Yeah I did get my Fritos and

yeah the problem is that skip

will be there and I can't do a

Sushi Boat because then I have

to do two different spreads that

point you know, which will do if

you want.

But now I'm throwing away more

food.

My favorite part, Of the whole

Super Bowl because every caller

uncalled, everybody would argue

about it and I'm like look, this

just has Jax, Jax calls every

one of them correctly.

Now he even called the score

whenever they, we say ultimate

Arbiter, the touchdown pass to

AJ Brown.

Yeah, he called that.

He's pretty good, man.

He's, you know, he's all about

the support of the over, he

asking about to lay on the

ground, having some conversation

like, oh, he got traded from the

from the Jack's we like

Steelers.

Yeah, it's out of this mr.

Schuester.

Like every like, every little

bit of trivia whatever, like, oh

he used to play for a.

Yeah, you know, the Dealers,

they gained a new all even

though she knows all the facts,

man.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I didn't realize I

thought that's misused her went

the year before but he's, he

knows this here.

I'm like many Google's and I'm

like, you know, I know the

halftime show.

This is the most inappropriate

halftime show ever.

That's what he was saying, and

he started re-enacting it.

Yeah, I thought that time she

was great.

I thought the game was fucking

fantastic.

It was a good game.

I think, I don't like the way.

It ended, but it would end in

the same fashion, mean it's

football.

Yeah, I just don't like taking

the knee.

It's like you're in the

championship game, man.

Throw for a touchdown.

Yeah.

But then, then that's why I'm

not an NFL coach, everybody who

had money on that game was

pissed, right?

Like if I can throw the

touchdown, Don MacKinnon, took a

knee right?

At the one.

What were the Eagles?

The favorite anyway.

Yeah, I think they were.

Yeah, they were deflated plus

three and a half in already.

Beat the spread.

Is remarkable.

I thought it was a great game.

I mean, I enjoyed the game

Mahomes a champion for sure.

I mean, playing through it,

playing through a high ankle

sprain, for two games.

You can't take that away from

somebody, you know, and I got to

be honest, I think that as far

as Jaylen Harris go, I'm kind of

a fan at this point.

I some of the fucking throws

that I saw that kid.

Do Mike my family?

I'm making me a stat that I read

on Facebook, so it has to be

true.

Yeah, it's totally must be

Jenny.

Yeah, of all the quarterbacks

that made there, Their debut in

the Super Bowl at the Super

Bowl.

Which this doesn't even make any

sense.

They've never won another.

They never made another

appearance but like if they hate

you because they all at some

point made therefore, so if they

will the fur if they played the

first time ever in the Super

Bowl, they've never been back

and they lost and never came

back as what you're saying.

Yeah, I think that's what it

said.

I would make sense.

I mean, psychologically for, I

think that first of all, I think

the Jalen hurts is very capable

of breaking that that Trend.

Yeah, because I think that on a

psychological level, a lot of

quarterbacks can be broken.

With that situation, right?

Plus all the other variables of

getting there.

Right.

But that kids pretty fucking

talented, man.

I was, you know, and he doesn't

have a lot of help on that team.

No, the defense didn't show up

for the Super Bowl like they had

all year, but but I mean, if

they just add a few pieces of

that team, they're going to be

like or they could be together.

He was the only running threat

hear me out on this here, me

Alice, he's a free agent.

Maybe comes the Tampa or Dallas

or Dallas if he doesn't want to

play.

A Super Bowl because, you know

those three, I don't know if

those fans deserve Jalen hurts,

it's a thing.

Well, do things got tough?

The first yellow Even trade

straight up.

Would you take it?

Um, not if you had to pay him a

ton of money straight up, same

salary, everything.

No, I think they ought to get

rid of DAC, get a good decent

quarterback and put money into a

lot of other things.

Okay, well they were saying that

the chief spent a hundred

million dollars just in their

offensive line this year.

In salary, which is huge.

It showed off.

I mean, yeah, I mean, he acts of

sex and I tell you what, I

notice a game is tackling on the

Chiefs.

Yeah.

I mean they were wrapping up in

tackling so many times.

Now in the NFL you don't you see

him hitting right?

You don't seem tacky.

Yeah and if you don't, if you

hit the wrong portion that is

bounced off and there were a lot

of like third and you know where

they stopped him right before

the first down now they're using

leverage.

I mean, the one thing that was

really kind of remarkable to was

Mahomes has run in the center.

He went up the the The old

straight through the o-line and

he did not like 30 or 40 yards,

it's he kept one.

And he goes.

Yeah.

Ankle or touchdown, right?

Yeah.

But it just seemed like

Philadelphia wasn't going after

him at that point to make that

that play it him to pass rush

but yeah, it was crazy for me.

It was a good game.

It was fantastic.

Part of the Super Bowl for me.

Was when I opened up Facebook, I

hadn't touched my phone the

whole game and open up Facebook

and I'm like, off.

See, I know that we were all

having a good time if you

weren't on your fucking phone.

So toxic though, every thing on

Facebook worth have to You ever

have such a good time, whatever.

I get back to the hotel and take

a shower.

I'm relaxing.

And I'm like toxic yep.

That's I mean that's standard

approach, you know, sadly.

But I had a great time.

It was a great.

It was a great Super Bowl, not

good to great little event.

You know.

I needed a weekend to it's been

a tough six months.

Yeah, you know, I only needed a

week out of Nicaragua.

Well, I'm glad.

Glad that you guys came to.

I'm glad the Greg I'm married

and I worked out.

Nice.

So now the next time you need

another weekend, you come back.

We go, right?

What?

We'll be back for the baby I

guess in April.

Baby.

Crying sound will be the grand

baby.

What grandbaby Darrell has,

nice.

Oh, but that's in.

That's not here.

No!

But I'll be back in the state.

Okay.

All right, I'm such a fool.

Try to wrap it into a an event

and probably a little partly,

it'll be a match the cigar bar

event.

Well, we've been working on this

cigar and by we, I mean, I've

put very, very, little effort

into it.

I've because I've been so

wrapped up another stuff in

Jeff's like, hey, did you smoke

the cigars?

I'm like, no, I'll get to it.

I guess.

It's okay.

So I mean if you want to talk a

little industry Jive you see you

do have a couple things going,

right?

You that's one thing.

Which is kind of exciting.

Yeah, I'm more just kind of like

an executive producer of that,

right?

Second.

My name on it, but any really

put much working but he's he is

it happening at an Eco sueno.

Hang on, before we get into

that, are we gonna smoke another

cigar?

Because I'm like, well, this is

for the patreon page, you can

light it, light it up, light it

up right now.

So we're going to review the

agenor Supreme on.

I'm going to go over here, this

bag and get something open it

up.

No smoke it, okay, yeah.

All right, you can tell us how

you feel about it.

You know, you need to take a

timeout.

No, ok.

Now we can go.

To it.

You have another sponsor for a

library.

No, no, we just have the one.

Why do you think we're number

one?

There's no sponsors.

Okay, so you were saying where

we at.

So, there are a couple things

that are going in the pipeline,

Will Roma, right?

This one's not Roma obviously

but Jeff meet a well.

So, we'll give some back.

We were sorted, we were sorting

through the tobacco Jeff son.

Yes, it skips daughter.

Met at weasel Fest, right?

The first go-around in Austin

Texas, right?

Yes.

And then they springboarded into

larger here, Michael.

Hey, we're going to get together

and she moves to Indiana and now

they become a thing, right?

So, Fast forward that she's

pregnant that thing becomes a

baby.

Yeah.

And so then, Jeff is staying

alive.

She is 27 years old.

So, I mean, there's some time

saying it's not a relationship.

I'm not saying it's like fast,

I'm just saying.

Yeah.

They met at the first weasel

Fest.

Right?

Which was three years ago?

Yeah.

Yep.

So and then now, they're there

at this point in their lives.

So anyways, so Jasmine spend a

lot of time.

I'm down at the factory.

In Nicaragua had been going back

between esteli in San Juan.

Somewhere down the line.

They're doing some some

rearranging, find some old

tobacco and says, hey what you

gonna do with this?

It says, hey could we do a cigar

with this?

And so that was three, four

months ago.

Yeah, I mean, just ask me for a

while to do a project with him

and now he lives next to you so

there's no escaping them.

Yeah, no.

But there's all these kind of

tobacco.

So, you know, a hundred pounds

is generally how you store.

Co-write.

And there's a bunch of them that

aren't 100 pounds, which gets on

my nerves, okay?

So I just some old Mana Norte.

There's some this this wrapper

we use for Abaddon that we've

had for six or seven years.

It's a Criollo Dragon trapper.

Then there's some, some, some

other tobacco's dry tobacco's

Cuban to back.

There's other tobacco's that we

haven't used in a while or don't

use much.

And so, they're all sitting

around, Alex and him and they're

talking about what we could do.

A blind and dead.

And so I was always kind of

half.

Listen.

I was like, get a piece of paper

or pull out your phone, write

that down.

Listen wrapper binder filler one

filler to fill ER 344.

Change the binder to this change

the binder to this, make 50 of

each or 20 of each or whatever,

right?

I said, one of those is going to

be it.

They're like, oh no.

But we should do this that the

other and then I guess about two

months down the road, they're

like, you know, actually the

best one is one of the, you

know, one of those first ones

in, like I told you, okay?

So you just came instead of

hammer the ball, I'll put it up

and then you guys can just

fucking join the victory.

So I don't know which one is

going to be yet because at some

sometimes especially with really

age tobacco.

When you wet it to work, it it

changes a little bit.

So once you have to let it dry

out before, you kind of really

know how the blend is going to

work together, right?

Especially if it's mild tobacco.

So anyway, well, that's gonna be

one of those and then we have

the drop.

The Frenchie surprise?

Yeah.

So I got a call.

Hey, this, you know, we're

having a hard time, so a lot of

this, a lot of this abandonó is

not dark enough for Aquitaine.

It's not the right texture for

Whiskey, Rebellion, what do you

want us to do?

And I said, You know, let's I

said let's do as it.

So we were doing saber-tooth and

I said, you know, what, do a Don

Bosco kind of version of

saber-tooth where you turn it

inside out.

So, Then I, you know, Aquitaine

is region in France.

And he's everybody calls day,

Oliver Frenchy.

Now, how pussy hurt was Tyler.

When you fuck it, did that.

Did you see the little tear the

comment that he made because he

has that V so horny?

Right, yeah, well, you know,

that's the best is, oh, hang on,

I'm gonna go.

So so, so, anyway, that's that's

why we were doing that.

We're going to find some some

charity to make them to go along

with it because it'll be kind of

a one-time deal.

Okay, colleague, Don Bosco.

That's cool.

And then can we do 5,000 boxes?

Let's go.

I think we're making to 10,000

boxset thousands of cigars.

As if we do a dollar cigar, it's

ten thousand dollars to some

charity.

That's cool.

I think it may Michael like,

reductions.

Always, we're a 501 c 3.

Where Hey, you know what?

No, but that's cool.

You know what I do?

If I can bring, he runs a helps

run that auction for Saint Mary,

Magdalene whole thing and that's

awesome because you know what?

That's the community that you're

kind of growing up with.

That's something that Fiorella's

in and they're super

appreciative when you do

something.

Well, the thing about the, the

thing about the school is it's

an English, expat school, but

they have scholarships for

Nicaraguan kids to go there and

it's interesting because

fiorello is Nicaraguan and she's

a native Spanish speaker.

Who learned English just during

covid.

But because she doesn't look

Nicaraguan like, even like in

our Spanish class, they're like

Spanish.

The second language, like

Spanish is not her second

language, right?

But she ends up translating a

lot for the other kids.

No shit in school.

So I think if we could do some

scholarships for some kids, that

would be nice.

That's cool.

Anyway, so we have that going.

We have not to skip past the

Tyler story but yes, we can't

skip past the night and it's

okay.

Okay, we've got, we've got.

So we've had challenges without

Apodaca a PA Yeah, nothing.

We're making is less quality

than anything we've ever made.

In fact, I think in a lot of

ways we're doing better and a

lot of ways than we ever have

before, I would agree with that

statement, but I had to make a

call that You know, with the

exit of our partner, there were

a lot of weird things that

happen with tobacco, right?

I'll just leave it at that.

And so the auto padalka we have,

doesn't meet my standards.

You know, I thought I always

thought we had six seven years

of out of production which we

have but it wasn't the quality.

I don't know if it got switched

out or what it just got

mismanaged.

I don't know, but it's not the

cigars.

We were making six months ago

just a wrapper quality is not

there.

So, We had to make a lot of like

there were more than half of the

cigars we made where I said I'm

just not going to answer them.

So yeah, so we basically threw

away 18,000 20,000 cigars.

We didn't throw them away and

wrestled him out like 50 cents

to some you know for 80 cents or

whatever was we sold them for.

But the so out of Pradaxa is on

the Shelf.

Until we find some more in the

problem Rocca is, it has to be

aged properly.

So we found a couple of

different people who had old

honor padalka, they didn't want

it.

Like Perdomo had some but it's

mostly binder.

So we may yield some rapper out

of that and it's really good

aged natural, which is hard to

find.

It's not cooked, but Luciano's

working on something with that

with binders.

So if any rapper yields out of

that will be able to make a

small amount of event b, a But

until until we actually, we were

planning a trip to go to Brazil.

The guy who used to run GK and

Nestle is now running Brazil for

or Not Like Us relief for in a

tab.

So we're going to make a trip

down to Brazil and talk to them.

Maybe talk to Jesus where he

goes family, but most people

don't like got it but akka.

So it's hard to find the kind of

on a product we use.

So anyway, that's when we

started working on Volstead.

So I started working with some

otra with Ernie and I Mike for

years has been saying, hey,

let's make an asymmetry.

Cigar and I'm like, I don't like

Sumatra but then I kind of

learned the finer points of

Sumatra from from Ernesto and

his team.

So I'm like, okay I can do this

because, you know, any wife

says, she's got something going

on in a card and it's like I

don't hear the take it to a

mechanic like yeah, I need some

work.

I'm like, yeah, been telling you

that the whole time so that I

can add the TV dad, you know,

like the TV.

Dad said, we're right where it

goes.

Maybe we should do this.

And they ignoring the TV hat

says, it's like, oh, that's

good.

That's great idea.

Yeah, no.

I was thinking Hear me out on

this.

No, but V is really good.

I'm excited about that.

It's a hybrid sumitra.

So it's actually not the

original Sumatra which I'm not a

big fan of.

Is that going to release the PCA

it won't.

It will be before PC.

I think.

Yeah.

We don't really feel right.

If everywhere.

You know, really tie releases

yeah, it'll be a lot of.

It will probably get sold at

PCA, right.

And then we have, we have a

broad leaf problem, right?

So now right now we're using and

I've been looking for broadleaf

every year I've spent four or

five trips and in the Dominican

speaking to Frank Miller and his

team to find real.

Connecticut broadleaf, what's

happening in the industry?

A lot of people, you know, won't

say this but a lot of people who

made Connecticut broadleaf

cigars in the past started

switching it to other broad

leaves.

I fucking hate that she now

there's Dominican broadly.

If there's Nicaraguan broadly,

there's Ecuador broadleaf,

there's just say what that

you're doing it, though.

Why not to say what you got?

We went.

We went look at some guys like

yeah, I got a box ready to go.

It's this had any other and

swore up and down it was

Connecticut broadleaf.

I'm like there's no way this is

this and you know, it sure as

shit when you get into it, as

soon as I smelled it, I knew it.

Isn't?

It was Pennsylvania Broad, but

it had the, unless that's a huge

difference, right?

It had the look and have the

elasticity, but it didn't have

the aroma right with the flavor,

right?

So I start when you really kind

of get into it, and that's

really with any.

There's some, a lot of these

hybrids that are out there.

Like, if you smoke them

one-on-one, they just really

lacking in, you know, when one

way or the other, right?

Whether it's the depth of the

flavor or the texture, right?

Yeah.

So about seven months ago, I

found at Grand Island.

He was preparing a lot.

Of broadly for a different

company for alternates, I think

and I said, hey just take the

thickest best of it, you know,

36 thousand pounds, whatever you

can do and just keep fermenting

it Slow and Low.

I'll be back in

january-february.

As well as going to cost a lot

more I'm like, I don't care.

Just do you want to tell the

right way again?

So we're going to come out with

a Pennsylvania broadleaf

project.

The blend is awesome.

So if this wrapper is as good as

I think it's going to be, then

we'll come out with that closer

to the end of the year.

But instead of just changing our

broadleaf to Pennsylvania, we're

going to have to come up with a

new Cro-Magnon line.

That's cool.

Yeah.

So we actually have a lot, we

have a decent amount of be a and

Cro-Magnon right now in the

pipeline.

Right?

But once that's gone.

Gone.

It's going to be gone for a year

or two.

At least, we've exhausted a lot

of, like, the avarice like I

think the, a versus sold out.

I think breach of the peace is

done.

So, I mean, we have it, it's

coming in but it's already

accounted for, right?

Right.

You know, and but there is a

decent amount of, there's

probably another 150,000 towards

I think based on based on the

numbers.

I think we'll probably be done

with with Cro-Magnon probably at

the end of March first, part of

April.

Yeah.

And now that we have our own pre

industry, we were taking a lot

of the light colored

Connecticut, broadly, if the

stuff that was on what Really

Cro-Magnon, we put it back into

Abalone so now it's got like a

year more and ballon and it's

been real low and we're going to

get a lot of rapper out of that

too.

But I don't know.

You know, Arlen sister kind of

took over as our sorting Ira

Saga.

The you know, the person who

supports the cigars for

packaging and she's just like

super hardcore.

Yeah so our Segundo rate went up

a lot and Instead, you know,

instead of saying hey know you

know don't don't be so picky,

right?

I went back to the wrapper,

ladies and said look, you know,

this is the standard, you know,

I don't know what it was before,

you know, I have never been that

concerned with the way.

The rapper looks but different,

I get it.

I get, I get why, you know,

because especially now it's

like, well, Esteban left.

So the quality is going to go

down or whatever, so I'm like,

let's go the other direction,

right?

Equality is going to go up.

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