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November 13, 2018· 26m

Episode 44 Nick Perdomo III Perdomo Cigars

Episode 44 Nick Perdomo III Perdomo Cigars

Episode Summary

Episode 44 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast features Nick Perdomo III, third-generation member of the Perdomo Cigars family, alongside longtime Perdomo sales rep John Converse. The conversation is an origin story: Nick's great-grandfather worked with H. Upmann and his grandfather with Partagás in Cuba before his grandfather — a member of Batista's army who was shot by Castro's men — was sponsored out of Cuba by a Catholic church and resettled in Washington, D.C. Nick Perdomo Jr. started the company in August 1992, two months before Nick III was born, while still working as an air traffic controller, rolling cigars out of the family home in Miami Lakes and later two facilities off West Flagler Street in South Miami.

Nick walks through the company's rapid growth — roughly 9,400 cigars the first year, more than a million by 1995–96 — buying leaf early on from the Oliva family and other veteran Cuban growers, then relocating production to Estelí, Nicaragua in 1996 at his grandfather's urging and beginning to grow their own tobacco around 1999–2000. He talks about knowing since age five or six that he wanted to be a cigar maker, working part-time through college at the University of Miami (business management degree), and his father's insistence that he and his sister blaze their own trails rather than be pushed into the business.

Now based in Miami, Nick serves as brand ambassador, traveling roughly a week a month with the sales force and visiting Nicaragua at least quarterly. He shares his philosophy on selling to retailers — treating each store as its own puzzle and building sustainable, sell-through-driven placement rather than overloading a humidor — and explains why Perdomo studies Coca-Cola as its model for merchandising and product placement.

The hosts run their standard question set with both guests. Nick would share a cigar with his late grandfather and with Batman/Bruce Wayne, cites his parents' lessons on honesty and the golden rule as his best advice, and names Perdomo 20th Anniversary Sun Grown as a current go-to (while praising all three wrappers and Nicaraguan tobacco generally, including A.J. Fernandez's cigars). John Converse picks George S. Patton and Kate Jackson, quotes Ray Kroc's "when you're green, you're growing" from his McDonald's days, and names Perdomo Habano Bourbon Barrel-Aged Connecticut as his favorite with Ashton VSG as his non-Perdomo pick. There's also plenty of shop-talk banter about rep consistency, checking in on Facebook, and the cowboy hat John never actually wears.

In This Episode

  1. 01
    Halloween banter and shop talk
    The hosts open with office renovation chaos, family Halloween costumes, and a callback to their very first episode.
  2. 02
    Four generations in tobacco
    Nick III traces the family line from a great-grandfather at H. Upmann and grandfather at Partagás in Cuba to his father founding Perdomo in 1992.
  3. 03
    From Miami Lakes to a million cigars
    How an air traffic controller's side business grew from 9,400 cigars a year to over a million by the mid-90s, buying tobacco from the Oliva family and other Cuban growers.
  4. 04
    The move to Estelí, Nicaragua
    Nick's grandfather relocated production to Nicaragua in 1996, with the family beginning to grow its own tobacco around 1999–2000.
  5. 05
    Growing up wanting to be a cigar maker
    Nick on telling teachers at age five he'd be a cigar maker, working part-time through the University of Miami, and his father never pushing him into the business.
  6. 06
    Brand ambassador role and retail strategy
    Nick explains sustainable selling, treating each retailer as its own puzzle, and why Perdomo models its merchandising on Coca-Cola.
  7. 07
    His grandfather's escape from Cuba
    The story of a Batista army veteran shot by Castro's men, sponsored out of Cuba by a Catholic church to Washington, D.C., and the health toll it took.
  8. 08
    Rapid-fire questions with Nick and John Converse
    Favorite cigars, fictional smoking partners, best advice, and daily smoking habits from both the family heir and the veteran rep.

Brands & Cigars Discussed

Perdomo CigarsPartagásH. UpmannOlivaArturo FuenteA.J. FernandezPadrónAshton
Perdomo 20th Anniversary Sun GrownPerdomo 20th Anniversary ConnecticutPerdomo 20th Anniversary Maduro Perdomo Habano Bourbon Barrel-Aged ConnecticutPerdomo ChampagneAshton VSG

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Transcript

Every day I'm hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling. Every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling. Welcome to a Cigar Hustlers Podcast, where we take a closer look at the people of the cigar industry, with your host, Mike and Mike. Hustle and hustle, hustle and hustle and hustle every day I'm every day I'm every day I'm every day I'm every day I'm every day I'm every day I'm all right.

I don't have bronchitis. I had the sunroof open because it's all red in the face. And the window's down. World Traveler over here.

Wind burned. Yeah. Yeah. Sun was on that side of the car on the way in.

So how was your week? It's fine. Thank you. My son graduated Fire Academy.

I was waiting. I tried to lob that up for you so you can say it. Very proud. You know, I like the fact that the people outside, we ask them to stop doing work, and so they stop using the saw.

I just heard hammering. Now they use the hammer instead. They use the saw. They use the hammer instead.

So the office is still a major, major clusterfuck. You did just say no power tools. That's true. That is true.

I feel like the office is worse this week than it was last week. No, you cleaned up the table. We had Rosales in here. I mean, you couldn't even see.

It was just walls of glass. That's true. That's true. I don't know what I did this week, if any of it was eventful.

Yeah, that was eventful. Well, this is Halloween. Yeah. So they were saying on the radio, we spend all the time trying to get our kids not to talk to strangers, not to take candy from strangers, and now we have a complete holiday built around asking strangers for candy.

But as long as, you know, you knock door to door. Oh, you're gonna go to that guy who wouldn't answer the door last year? No. No.

That's awesome, because we actually recorded that on the last podcast. We did. On the very first one. Mm-hmm.

So now we've gone full circle. We're done. What are you gonna dress as? I'm not dressing him.

No? I saw a Facebook post of you. We were gonna go to a party, but some of the people were sick, so we just came to the house, so we all dressed up, took pictures, and then we all put our regular clothes back on. Were you wearing ass chaps or something?

No, I was standing in. I just had a mask. Really, it was just a mask. It was one of those ones that fit over your face and makes part of your face part of the mask.

They didn't like it. It was creepy. So no ass chaps? No ass chaps.

Well, we're dressing as the Incredibles. You didn't for the trunk or treat, though, did you? I only saw pictures of the kids. You saw pictures of the kids.

Yeah. You just get the one day. So are you really just going as the Vasquez family? Yeah, we're going to go as the Vasquez family.

Very good. Hashtag who wore better. There's four of us. Just saying.

Just saying. All right. So, hey. You ready?

Oh, yeah. One, two, three, go. Hi, I'm Mike. I'm Mike, too.

And this is the Cigar Hauses Podcast. You want to introduce our guests? You go right ahead. That's your job.

I'm going to adjust the dial over here. We have some very special guests here. , your first time in Cigar Hustler, correct? Yes, thank you for having me.

Yeah, absolutely. And we have the Perdomo pain in the ass. The cowboy himself! The cowboy, but we love him.

John, what's your last name, John? Perdomo. Converse. Converse.

See, like, well-known. Shoe company. How do you not rock the Converse shoes? I am the most well-known person in this room right now.

He is, that is true. Think about it. " John the Legend. You know, you're not John Converse.

I understand all that. Thank you. Nice color face. Thank you.

A little red windburn there. A little windburn. That's why we don't do video. Especially the way this office looks.

So, The Office, the show is pretty much about just kind of origin-based and stuff like that. So, obviously, you know, you're family-oriented within the industry, and it's been for quite some time. Yeah, well, what brands are you with? Are you kidding me?

No, I'm not. Well, I mean, you know, John Oliva does work for Arturo Fuente. That's true. , for God's sakes, right?

And I'm not screwing that up, right, Nick Perdomo, Jr.? The third, technically. See, that's what threw us off. The third.

The third. Because we usually do a little bit of show prep, so we know a little bit about you. , and I'm getting your dad. That's my dad, yeah.

I'm going, he's gotta be a third or something. My grandfather's senior, yep. So we know nothing about you. So did your grandfather start the whole thing?

Well, my grandfather was in the industry in Cuba. My great-grandfather was in the industry in Cuba. My grandfather worked with Partagas. My great-grandfather was with H.

Upman. My dad actually started the company in August of '92. So he started Prodomo Cigars, my dad. Okay.

And my grandfather came on board, I believe, in 1994. We were making cigars in Miami, and my grandfather came on board with us in '94. Later on in '96, we moved out of Miami, and my grandfather moved us to Nicaragua. So we've been there for over 22 years.

Okay, so how old are you in '92? 92, I was, well, just to give you an idea, I was born in '92. My dad started two months prior to me being born in August. He started the company.

I was born in October. Okay, so was that like, kind of like a "I better get my shit together" type thing? " and like, you know, there's potential, now I got a baby. Are you the first?

Like the, you know... The first child. Yeah, I'm so, yeah, I'm the first child of my parents, yeah. So like, I mean, 'cause it's a better painted picture.

Like, I'm looking at it like, okay, if I'm your dad, right, I got this baby on the way, and I don't know what he was doing before that, but it's like, I have an opportunity to really kind of ramp things up, They kind of ramped things up and started producing my own cigars and making sure that my kids are well off and my clothes. Well, the funny thing, my dad started the company prior to the boom. My dad started in the industry, he was an air traffic controller, so he wanted to make some extra money on the side. My dad's always been a go-getter, and my dad was influenced heavily by my great-grandfather and my grandfather, so he never, I mean, obviously, if he had, he wanted to grow, but he just, at first, he just wanted, he had the mindset of, Let me have something on the side.

I got tons of time to be able to invest and put into a side business, essentially. So I'm sure when I was born and then my sister came along a couple years later, I don't know. I doubt that my dad probably intended for us or had the thought initially that we would get into the business because this was something on the side for him. But within a couple years, as a matter of fact, I think the first year my dad made 9,400 cigars, and then by 96, 95, my dad eclipsed a million cigars.

Wow. That was fast. Yeah, very, very fast. That's ridiculous.

So did he start off in his own factory? Yeah, so we started making cigars out of our house in Miami Lakes, Florida, believe it or not. And then we moved to an area in South Miami called, off of West Flagler Street, and we had two facilities there, and initially started out with one, then we moved to a second facility in the same shopping center, but yeah, we were making cigars right out of Miami, we used to buy tobacco from the Oliva family, Savino Portilla, some older Cuban guys who grew some great tobacco, and so that's how we started, but we started mainly out of production, we had our own production. We didn't grow tobacco at that time.

In the United States, too. In the United States, and it was tough because my dad was competing at the time, Nicaragua, it really didn't exist. My dad was competing with, you know, Honduras, the Dominican Republic at the time, and so our prices were higher. Of course.

So it was tough, and that's initially when my grandfather in '96 moved us to Nicaragua, and we had a big opportunity there. So you moved, too. It wasn't just your dad, the whole family went down to Nicaragua. No, we didn't.

We didn't. My grandfather was the one who went down. Now, my dad was there for a long time, probably two weeks out of the month for many years. My dad was, you know, setting up the facility, getting more workers to come down, and then it wasn't until about '99, 2000, we started growing tobacco in Esteli.

Okay. So, that was the first factory in Esteli, too, or was it...? Yeah, the first factory we had in Nicaragua was in Esteli, yes. All right, so...

And we've always been there. So, at what point, how old were you when you kind of, you know, like, started to identify cigars are like... He might have been rolling them in the kitchen with his sister and his mother. Right, or like the family thing, you know?

I've been wanting, honestly, probably since I was about five, six years old. Right, you saw that it was pretty common. " And she kind of looked at me like, "What? " And my dream was to always work with my grandfather and my dad.

No kidding. Yeah. So as you're growing up, like in your teenage years and stuff, did you work at all with Perdomo, or did you...? I did.

I used to work part-time. So growing up, and especially when I was in college, I went to the University of Miami. So I used to go to work in the morning, and I'd go to school later on in the afternoon and towards the evening. Right.

So I've always been part-time with the company, I graduated a couple years ago, so I've been full-time since, so it's really the only thing I know. Right. Did your dad want you to do something else, or it was just kind of set that way? He never, one thing I'll say about my dad is he never pushed me to want to be in the business, never pushed my sister, he always wanted us to blaze our own trail.

Right. But I always wanted to be in the business, I had no interest in doing anything else. No kidding. So then what did you go to college for?

I went to college to drink a lot of beer? His dad told him to. It was a blessing. I learned a lot.

Not just what I study, but really just time management, learning how to study, learning how to conquer things. There's more to college than just -- I think people get tied up with the curriculum instead of, you know, having to do stuff on your own, having to study. So I learned how to critically think and all that, so it was important. The whole experience.

So what did you get your degree in? Business management. That makes sense. Yeah.

You know, if you said like floral arrangements or something. Yeah, marine biology or zoology. Totally went a different direction there. Alright, so you literally just graduated then, huh?

I graduated about two years ago. No kidding. That's crazy. So do you plan on living down in Nicaragua or just kind of jumping back and forth?

I mean, what's a day in the life for you consistent at this point? Well, I'm based out of Miami. Right. But I'm usually in Nicaragua about once a quarter.

Right. And outside of that, I'm working with our salesman. So I've kind of taken the brand ambassador role within the company. Usually a week out of the month, I'm on the road.

So this week, I'm with John. Oh, that's too bad. Nah, I'm mad. The whole week.

That hurts. That's how he answers everything I put on Facebook. It always just, that hurts. That hurts.

So that's my role. I'm mostly involved with sales here in the United States, but I do make my way down to Nicaragua at least minimum once a quarter, but I am involved in both parts. Do you have any particular vision as you're kind of progressing into the industry and you're learning more and more about the business, I'm sure that more responsibility are going to come your way, is there a particular direction that you want to see the brand go as a whole? Mike Hall: Well, obviously growing and just to keep growing, my job as the next generation is to keep growing the business, maintain who we are as a company, what we're about, but it's to really just to grow the business, continue growing, and I believe being sustainable and when you're working with retailers and how you sell your product is so important.

There's a desperate way to sell product, and there's also a way to sell product that's somewhat a little bit more passive-aggressive, yet you're setting up a store for success instead of failure, instead of just trying to just sell as much as you possibly can, you know, trying to sell ten pounds and put it into a five-pound bag. Right. It's all about strategic, and my goal is to strategically approach each store as its own puzzle and properly sell to the store and keeping our sales sustainable so we can all succeed at the end. So that's kind of my business.

I mean, retailers are hard, right? You know, some of them are easier than others, obviously, but as a whole, you know, I know that you guys believe in a big kind of like a staple into the humidor, right? Like a vertical section, right? Sure.

And that makes sense because it's identifiable. Well, you know, we've studied Coca-Cola, which is, you know, probably the best company. And if you want to learn about product placement and marketing strategies. So, for us, those are the guys that we want to replicate, we want to represent our product within our industry, just like how Coca-Cola does it.

So, for me, and for the company, it's important that we keep a high standard, and in terms of product placement, in terms of merchandising, who better than Coca-Cola to try to model your business after? Yeah. So, when did you start getting on the road with John? Is it like today?

It's Wednesday, so probably Monday? Monday. Monday, I drove up from Miami, met up in Sarasota, left my car, and we've been on the road since. Nice.

So will he still have a job at the end of this week, or...? Not because he's here, but John had an excellent week this week, so yeah, we'll give him another. He's a hard worker, man. He always checks in.

You get another week, John. Good job. Woo! Thank God.

You know, I mean, this shop isn't in the most ideal spot, right? So we're kind of like in no man's land between Orlando and Daytona. So, because of that, we don't see a consistent amount of reps, or brokers, or anything, like, I would say that the number is less than what it probably should be, but with that being said, John is consistent, you know, he comes in all the time, checks in on us, checks on the product, and does a really good job at it, so that's the one positive compliment you're gonna get from me, John. Greatly appreciate it.

I'm gonna say, that doesn't hurt. I'll tell you something, too. John, every time he checks into a shop, or he checks into a shop on Facebook and gives the owner's name, I write that stuff down. Yeah?

So I know when I go around, I go, who do I can ask for? Nice. He's real good about that. A little parlay.

Thank you, John. Hey, you're very welcome. Thank you. You know what?

It's good to do that stuff on Facebook, to just reach out and just promote the store. That's what we do. I mean, I'm not a Facebook guy. I really don't really enjoy Facebook.

Right. But from a standpoint of being a former retailer, I can appreciate the fact that somebody is out there trying to, So, one, promote my store, help me promote my store to their clientele, to their circle of influence, and at the same time, I'm also doing it to also show people that when they go to the Cigar Hustler, where they can find the Perdomo brand. Right. And now we have these fancy popsockets.

That's right, worth millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Very valuable, very collectible.

Put mine on eBay. Trump's even talking about those things. So, my question to you, Michael, is do you have the questions? Yes, I do.

They're right here behind me. Do you really? Yes. Well, they're in a lockbox.

No, they're next to the lockbox. Okay, we have a set of questions. We ask everybody that comes in. Yes.

So, the first question. What one person, living or dead, would you like to share a cigar with? My grandfather. Dead.

Do you want me to have both living and dead? You can do both if you'd like. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

You can just pick one. We just give you the option. Well, my grandfather. Yeah.

Why? He's a special man of my life. He passed away about 14 years ago. I was a young kid.

I was about 12 years old, but he was a big influence of why and where I am at today. So he left Cuba, right? Yes. How did that--how?

Because, like, there's a couple of ways to leave. Well, my grandfather-- None of them really favorable. Well, he left a way that most people don't leave. He was with--he was part of Batista's army.

Right. And some of Castro's thugs, unfortunately, shot at my grandfather because he was against. And so my grandfather got hit a couple times. My grandfather was actually sponsored by a Catholic church out of Washington.

And so my grandfather went from Cuba to Washington. C.? C. So state would be a long community back down to Florida.

Oh, yeah. He was, yeah, it was tough. It was tough how he left Cuba. C.

So how old was he when he passed? My grandfather was 66. That's young. Yeah, he was very young.

I think John's age. Wow. Sometimes I feel like I'm 66. I mean, so, you know, were his injuries...

Well, he had, you know, he lost a lot of blood, had to pump a lot of plasma. 65 to like 215 pounds, because the plasma, I guess, with the blood and everything, made him kind of gain a lot of weight, so he was so heavy-set for a long time, most of his life towards the end, and so yeah, health, unfortunately, his health, I definitely believe it took a toll over time. I'm sure. I'm sure.

So you want to know who I want to? Sure. I want him for another interview. No.

No, we don't want to know right now. Yeah, I want to hold you up. You can go to interview him, and I'll just cut all his parts out. Piece them all together.

We have John Converse? Hey, again. He's back. No.

See, the one thing that you'll have, you'll have a leg up, because now... You'll know the questions. Yeah. Okay.

I already know who I want to say. Well, go ahead and say it then, goddammit. George S. Patton.

Yeah? Yeah. We've never had Patton before. No, we haven't.

Cigar smoker? Hellraiser? I would've kicked the shit out of the Russians. So, like, I don't think that you should be rocking a cowboy hat, you should be having, like, more of a...

Well, I like to have the pearl handle. Kevlar, kevlar, kevlar. I wouldn't mind having the, you know, the pearl handle. This is a cowboy hat, I keep hearing about John.

I forgot, I forgot to bring the cowboy hat on this trip. You know... It's my wife, you know, she wanted me to keep... No, my wife wanted to keep the sun off my bald head, so...

Yeah, so, John, there was, like, a period in time, I would say for about two weeks, where John was wearing this cowboy hat. Cowboy hat, every time he'd go in, he'd wear it from the car into the shop, he'd take it off. " It's my new thing, I'm going to make it a thing. And now we just bust his balls about it, because he never wears it.

I look like a, you know, a fedora didn't work for me. Oh, I think you'd look good in a fedora. Yeah, right. I look like a condom.

The goddamn thing. Maybe a bowler hat. A bowler hat. Alright, next question.

What fictional character would you like to share a cigar with? Book, TV show? So, Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne.

He's very fast. He's very fast with these. He's got some good responses. So, why'd you pick him?

He's Batman! He's Batman. Right. I'm Batman.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I was interviewing you, Mike Palmer. I'm Batman. Thanks! So, like, did you like comics growing up, or...?

I liked Batman a lot growing up. Yeah. I was a big Batman fan. Alright.

John? Oh, Kate Jackson, man. Charlie's Angels. Really?

Absolutely. She was absolutely a... So you don't need to ask why. You know, that's awesome because it's like you're experiencing two different eras of questions being answered.

Oh yeah, that's true. That's what makes the show unique. Exactly. What's the best piece of advice anyone ever gave you?

Finally, when there's something. There's a lot. My dad and my mom, they always taught me just being honest and being noble, you know, always treat people as you want to be, you know, treat people the way you want to be treated, you know, that, you know, that, that's probably the best. Alright.

John? When you're green, you're growing. Ray Kroc. Had an opportunity to meet Ray Kroc because I used to work for McDonald's.

Yeah. So it always stuck with me. No kidding. Because that was his thing with his managers and his company, is when you constantly are looking to listen to people, willing to take other ideas, and you'll grow your business, you'll grow your people, you'll grow as an individual, and when you don't want to listen to people's advice or you don't want to take recommendations from people, if things do make your life easier, you start to die.

Right. Very nice. That was good. Eloquent, wasn't it?

We should end right there. All right, what's your favorite cigar? Perdomo cigars. Which one?

Which one? I mean, that's a tough one. I always get that question. I enjoy 20th Anniversary Sun Grown a lot.

I mean, I like all three. I like Connecticut. I like Sun Grown. I like Maduro.

It's tough. It's tough. I mean, I'd say the 20th Anniversary line is probably right now one of my go-tos. So, if you couldn't smoke a Perdomo, what cigar would you smoke?

To be honest with you, anything Nicaraguan. I like Nicaraguan tobacco. No particular brand? Not like Padron or anything like that?

No, not necessarily. I don't really, I mean, to be honest with you, anything with Nicaraguan tobacco, I would... Do you smoke a lot of the other people's stuff or...? Yeah, there's some times.

I mean, I don't smoke a lot. J. Fernandez, so he's given me a couple cigars in the past. I enjoy his cigars.

How many cigars do you smoke a day? Uh, I used to smoke a lot more. I probably smoke probably about three to four cigars a day. Yeah.

How old were you when you started smoking? Three? You're like seven, sneaking one off the kitchen table. Probably a lot younger.

I remember being probably about four years old. I remember my dad was carrying me. We were in West Flagler. " And all of a sudden, I just remember, I just threw up right in the car seat.

So it was a long time ago. In the car seat. That's awesome, man. How old were you when you made your first trip to Nicaragua?

That was about five. Wow. No kidding. Yeah.

I mean, that was a different time. Yeah. It was a wild west out there. It's crazy now.

Now I got ice cream stands and all types of other shit. It's ridiculous. Yeah, definitely for the people in Nicaragua, it's gotten better. I've seen it improve dramatically over the past 20 years.

Right. John, favorite cigar? Favorite cigar. Wow.

It's probably between the Habano, Bourbon Barrel Age, Connecticut. It's probably my favorite right now. Yeah. It's taken over the champagne that was my go-to.

And what non-Perdomo? Non-Perdomo. Non-Perdomo. Wow.

It's probably the Ashen VSG. Yeah? Yeah, that was probably, you know what, coming from their area, coming from the Philadelphia area. Right.

That was a big influence, that brand. So it would probably be my favorite non-Pernomo if I had to smoke something. I have so many questions for John, but I gotta let them all go. I know, I'm wanting to ask stuff too.

That's really it. The last question is do you want to tell people how to get a hold of you? Social media or Instagram or email? Yeah, social media, Facebook.

I think it's my name's under Nicholas or Nick Perdomo III. Yeah, Facebook's a good one. John? Hey, Facebook, Instagram.

John Converse. John Converse, the cowboy. John Converse. So when you go to post this up, are you going to write Nick Perdomo III or are you going to screw it up and do Nick Perdomo Jr.?

No, no, it'll be the third. You sure? Yeah. Because if not, I'll have a picture of his dad and then it'll all be messed up.

There's going to be no advice from the hustler? No, no advice. Well, I mean, that's pretty much it. That wraps it up.

I appreciate you guys coming out and coming on, you know. This will be on probably in a couple weeks, so. Not next week, the week after. All right.

Rosales for next week. We need to pick a winner for the contest. We only had one entry, so it's good. You've got to do it.

Well, no, we're going to let it run for another week, no? Well, okay, because the whole week it just went up yesterday. Yeah. Okay, gotcha.

I'll put a little thing on the back end of Rosales, who the winner is. There you go. All right. Thank you, gentlemen.

We appreciate the time. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Grayley.

Appreciate it. This is the operator with a collect ball from... To accept the charges, press one, now. All right, folks, that's it.

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Show Notes

This week Nick Perdomo III and John Converse from Perdomo Cigars stopped in, so we immediately threw them in front of the Microphones!

Hear about the Start of the Perdomo Empire...where they are now and the plans for the future!

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