Episode 91 Gorilla Piss, Megalodon and We don't negotiate with terrorist!
Episode Summary
Episode 91 of A Cigar Hustler's Podcast, presented by RoManCraft Tobac, opens with the hosts celebrating a major upgrade: Skip Martin of RoMa Craft gifted Mike Palmer a new 2019 MacBook Pro (dubbed the "Megalodon") to improve the show's audio and video production. The guys spend the first segment on housekeeping — welcoming a new listener from Portugal, naming Justin Littlefield (host of the "Defining My Meaning" podcast) Listener of the Week, and working through a ten-point checklist of tips for growing a YouTube channel, which is where the episode's oddball title comes from. There's also a detour into their shop becoming a Bang Energy account and Michael's pitch for a new flavor, "Gorilla Piss."
The industry news segment covers the impending sale of Imperial Brands' premium cigar division, with bidding narrowed to a handful of parties including a group from Hong Kong, one from the Middle East, and a consortium represented by former Davidoff management. The hosts break down exactly what's in the package — Altadis U.S.A., Casa de Montecristo, JR Cigar, Flor de Copán, Tabacalera de García, and a 50% stake in Habanos S.A. — along with the reported $1.3–$2 billion valuation and roughly $450 million in annual revenue. They also note how a pending sale tightens inventory and slows orders through distributors like Santa Clara. On the brand side, Crux Cigars is shipping refreshed packaging for the Epicure, Epicure Maduro, and Guild lines, with Limitada and Bull & Bear updates to follow.
The meat of the episode is the closing rant about Chogui cigars. With founder Victor absent from the industry and retailers still asking for the product, one of the hosts tried to buy remaining stock directly from the Dominican factory — and was quoted $4 per stick pre-wholesale. He walks listeners through the real math: landed cost after freight and taxes, a modest wholesale markup, and a resulting $13–$14 retail price on a cigar that normally sells for $8–$9. The takeaway — "we don't negotiate with terrorists" — becomes a warning to anyone trying to start a cigar brand about overseas factories that price-gouge newcomers and sink their entire investment.
In This Episode
- 01RoMa Craft Gifts the Show a New MacSkip Martin surprised the hosts with a 2019 MacBook Pro, prompting better audio, iMovie editing plans, and a running gag about the 'Megalodon' laptop.
- 02Show Updates: Portugal, Listener of the Week & a GongThe podcast welcomes its newest international listener from Portugal and names Justin Littlefield, host of 'Defining My Meaning,' Listener of the Week.
- 03Bang Energy Account and 'Gorilla Piss'The shop becomes an official Bang Energy retailer, sparking a pitch for a blue, rainbow-sherbet-flavored energy drink called Gorilla Piss.
- 04YouTube Growth ChecklistThe hosts run through ten tips for growing a YouTube channel — scripting, consistency, thumbnails, searchable descriptions, tags and categories — and grade themselves at about 50%.
- 05Imperial's Premium Cigar Division SaleA breakdown of the narrowed bidder list and everything included: Altadis U.S.A., Casa de Montecristo, JR Cigar, Flor de Copán, Tabacalera de García, and 50% of Habanos.
- 06Crux Cigars New PackagingCrux is shipping updated packaging for Epicure, Epicure Maduro and Guild, with Limitada and Bull & Bear to follow later in the year.
- 07Weekend Recap: Sanford, Celery City & Cigar LifeA German festival in downtown Sanford, a long day of cigars at Celery City Cigars, a car break-in, and upcoming on-location shoots.
- 08Chogui, Factory Pricing & 'We Don't Negotiate With Terrorists'A $4-per-stick factory quote on remaining Chogui inventory triggers a full explanation of cigar cost structure and a warning about factories exploiting new brand owners.
Brands & Cigars Discussed
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Transcript
Welcome to episode 91 of a Cigar Hustlers podcast. This week we talked about guerrilla piss, megalodons, and why we don't negotiate with terrorists. All right, sit back and relax. Here comes the show.
Welcome to episode, what is this, 91. Shot on location. Yes, shot on location at the Bang Energy Drink Studios. The Bang Energy Drink Studios.
A Cigar Hustlers podcast. Oh, I'm too high. My feet is too high, I believe. We got a lot going on today.
I'm adjusting the wrong one. I'm wondering if sound never changes. All right. Sound better?
Oh, yeah. That sounds good. Okay. Sound good?
Sound good. I think we sound fantastic. Okay. Should we start with the big news?
Yeah, we should definitely start with the big news. Okay. Well, then we're going to cut to the video. Because we have a new-- And then we'll-- We're going to cut to the video and then we'll be-- we'll be right back.
And we're back to Cigar Hustler Podcast, Episode 91, presented by Romacraft Tobac. Oh my God. So we have a show update. Yeah.
We would like to welcome Portugal. Portugal. To the Cigar Hustler family. Ooh, very nice.
And thank you to Sofia P, and I cannot pronounce your last name, Sofia, I'm sorry, but it appears to be Gomez, G-O-M-E-E-S. Yeah, Gomez. Her IG is Sofia P. Gómez.
Yeah. She's our new friend in Portugal. Okay, so now I have questions. Yes.
Okay, so this is the second person you've reached out to? Second country, yes. Okay, and another woman. They seem to respond faster than...
So, what's going on here, Mr. Palmer? Oh, and if you look up Sofia, she's quite the attractive young woman. You're trying to get hoes in different area codes?
Is that what's going on? Different countries? Different countries? From when we go on the road?
No, I usually try to start out with the tourist division of a particular country. But they don't seem to want to, you know, they don't want to answer it. But young ladies want the notoriety, it appears, to get their name set on a highly rated podcast, as I tell them, quite popular in the United States, and soon to be around the world, to have their name set and be tagged on next week's video of the Cigar Hustler Podcast presented by Romacraft Tobacco. So epic.
So epic. So yes. So you're hitting on bitches in different countries. Very nice.
I hit on guys too, but they don't want to reply. A lot of soccer players in Portugal, but soccer players apparently think they're famous enough. They don't need help from Cigar House. So when you hit on the dudes, do you have your shirt off or anything like that?
There's no photos exchanged. Maybe that's why it's not working. Maybe. Maybe you should just drop a shirtless picture to some of these dudes.
Maybe. Like, hey. Hey. This is what you're missing out on.
This is what you're missing out on the show here. Would you like me to mention your name? I can mention your name and talk very slowly and lower register. With the shirt off.
With the shirt off. That'd be epic. We have Listener of the Week. Yes?
Oh. Uh-oh. That moment when you realized you screwed somebody out of being Listener of the Week. No, no, no.
We mentioned the gentleman who sent us the Slapdick shirt last week, so we didn't make him again Listener of the Week. But we will have a gong that we have been so desperately needing. What? What?
The gong will be here tomorrow. Did you order it? I ordered a gong. You ordered a gong.
I ordered a gong. We'll have a gong for the Listener of the Week. This is becoming more and more like a game show. And you, gong, are Listener of the Week!
Wow, where are you going to put that? You're going to have to start moving some stuff around. I'm going to need a bigger desk. You're going to have to start thinning some of this out.
No, no, the gong's going to go on the desk, so I can... Oh, it's a little gong. It's a little, yeah, no, I did not buy a gong the size of this. Yes, I have to stand up, we're going to have a shirtless Asian man who just goes, hoi, ding, that's racist.
Anyway, listening to the week is Mr. Justin Littlefield. Yeah? He came in this past week to get some help with his podcast.
Ah. Mr. Littlefield has Asperger's and then he does his own podcast about his life, dealing with that and his everyday life. The podcast is called Defining My Meaning.
Ooh, a nice little plug. Yes, and we'd like to thank you for him coming in and chatting with us. Very nice meeting you. Look at you.
Unfortunately, I don't know how we could combine our two podcasts, Justin. I just don't see how that would work, as I do not have Asperger's and I don't know if you know much about cigars, so I don't know. He's a cigar guy. He comes in here and smokes cigars.
Oh, does he? Yeah. I thought he came in, saw the sign, asked us some questions, and hung out and then left. Didn't buy anything.
I thought maybe he... No, he's bought stuff before. Have you seen him in here before? Yeah.
Oh, okay. Good, that makes it a little less... Awkward? I mean, it's still awkward that he did it, but whatever.
Okay, we have a new subscriber on YouTube. We now have 125 subscribers on YouTube. Heyo! And since the numbers aren't going as fast as we like on YouTube going up, I found essential tips to get YouTube subscribers in 2019.
Okay. Okay, there are several things here on the list. We do some and some we don't do. Yeah.
So we need to start incorporating some of these. Okay. But the number one thing that you should - I know you love a list, Michael. Yeah.
You love a list. Love it. The number one thing you should plan and create a script for your videos. Oh, that's out.
Well, it's right here. Oh. We do that. Okay.
Yeah, we do that. Create highly informative and engaging content. We definitely do that. Oh, we do that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Increase your consistency and frequency of uploading videos. Show up every week. Yeah, I was going to say, we do that too because it's every week.
It's up on the same day. Hashtags. Hashtags. I put up every Monday the reminder with some type of funny little thing.
Did you see this week's? No. Oh, well, everybody else saw it, I guess, well, not you. Huh.
Uh, start with an-- I'll go back and watch it for you. It's just a photo. I'll go back and look at it for you. Start with an intro and outro that keeps people interested.
Mmm. We have that. We do that. We have that.
There we go. All right, uh, as you just saw from the video, uh, Roma Craft, uh, Mr. Skip Martin, uh, purchased us a new computer-- No, no, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. What, sorry?
Did not purchase us anything. Oh, sorry. He purchased me this lovely, brand new, 2019, Apple, Mac, Book, Super Pro, Kamehameha, Megalodon, thing. The screen is so big and bright.
It's amazing. And the show probably sounds so much better. So, we have to restart the show now. We have to start over.
Yeah, we have to start over. Okay. Welcome to episode 91 of the Cigar Hustler Podcast, presented by Roma Craft. By Romacraft Tobac and Mr.
Skip Martin. Very nice. Oh, yes. As if we didn't mention them enough in the podcast.
Now they get product placement now for the show and I've changed my clothes for my official show wear now. You look very nice. Thank you. It's amazing.
Oh, it was way, way too much, too nice of them. Yeah. Yes. I sent him all the secret shows over the weekend.
You hooked him up with the Patreon account? Well, I can't make him a Patreon. Right, so just give him the video. " He definitely earned Patreon.
Definitely earned Patreon. To a point where now he's gonna be the only person that has files additionally other than you, so, like, he will have leverage. I gotta take the hat off though, it's hot. " I'll share that info.
He got everything but show number two. Some reason show number two does not exist anywhere. Okay. I don't know what happened, but he got one, three, four, five, six, and seven.
I'm sure that he loves that. I'm sure he does. I'm very excited. I'm sure he does.
You know? Yes. And now... He'll also get these the minute they're done.
I'll send them to Dropbox. Mr. Martin, you no longer have to use any other type of app. Mr.
Martin. Mr. Martin, sir. Wow.
Mr. Martin, and Mr. Rosales. Look at that.
Thank you, too, sir. I appreciate that, gentlemen. Well, we're lucky enough to have some great friends in the industry, that's for sure. Yes, we do.
I mean, it's just, it's pretty much just Skip and Michael, but, you know, I mean, I'd rather have a small circle than a big one with, you know, slapdicks that don't got our backs, so. Yes, exactly. It's very, very nice of them. I like it because you're still nervous.
Like, you're nervous again. I'm nervous again about the whole thing. You were nervous before when we did the last video. Now, you're like a little disheveled, which is fantastic.
Oh, goodness gracious. So we're moving. So we will do a Roma Craft Tobac news segment in every show. Well, the only, and he asked you for a review.
Yes, give me a little bit of time to use the new laptop, and there are some obvious differences, but I would like to make an entire list. Yeah, like for one, we sound better. I don't even know. I don't know if you guys can hear it, but it sounds better to us.
Wow, it's crazy. He's even hooked me up. He sent me an email. I have a 30-minute person-to-person Apple seminar coming to me, too.
He also did mention that we need to move the AppleCare into your name, or the company's name, but we don't have a company yet. Oh, but we will very soon. Yeah, whatever. AppleCare, I have AppleCare with you?
He's got something. He said you need to register it into. Oh, maybe that's part of the email. Maybe it's not AppleCare, but you need it registered into our name, or your name.
What are we going to call it, a little company? Oh, Mike and Mike Productions. Mike and Mike Productions? Mike and Mike Productions.
Not Side Sladdle Slapdicks or something? Slapdick ink. You know what? We will make it whatever Skip wants us to make.
There you go. All right. We'll call it the Skip Martin production. You sold your soul for a laptop.
Oh, this is not just a laptop, Michael. Yep, it's the one. I can't say, you know the word you say when you turn your phone on? Yeah.
To get the little girl to do something? Yeah. This has it too. Yes, it does.
That's how I turned on GarageBand today. Hey, Blank, GarageBand, please. Except the phone tried to do it too, right? Life is good.
Yes. All right. Huh. So, moving on, now that we're covered.
Still hot back here. Now that we're covered in Romacraft. We're doused in Romacraft tobacco. Wait till you get the tattoo on your forehead.
That's amazing. Uh, yeah. Okay. Maybe just the little small, the little small thing down below the microphone.
I'm not, I'm not a tattoo kind of guy. I meant me, not you. Yeah, you should definitely do it. Yeah.
I agree. You should get your face tattooed. Yeah. Like right under the eye.
Right under the eye? Yeah. Yeah, like the tear, but it's the Roma sign. The Roma thing.
That'd be perfect. Does that mean I killed him, though? The tear means you killed somebody in prison. It's kind of like, I don't know, it's like you're part of the gang and you got beat in to get there or something like that.
I don't know. Goodness gracious. So congratulations. Thank you very much.
All right, moving on. We are. Moving on. We are officially.
Officially a Bang account at the store. You can buy Bang. And from what I understand, in the area, only place to get the delicious Miami Cola. A cola.
Very nice. That tastes like a cola. Not like diabetes. Now, I got to give you credit for this.
What? Because, you know, you left, you saw that the bang truck was in the vicinity. Yes. " Right.
"Great, get him! " I walked up to him thinking that, you know, he was just the delivery guy. And I said, "Hey, you know, who do I need to talk to you? Who's your sales rep?
" And we tried calling the office and, you know, we've had no luck. We've had no luck. " Oh, yeah, I would imagine. " And like, he was kind of reserved.
Like, he didn't realize... He didn't know what to do? It's not that he didn't know what to do, it's just that he didn't know that I was so versed when it comes to banks. Oh, I know all the different banks, yes.
" You and I alone will drink enough to keep it flowing. So yeah, so we officially became a bank account last week. We need to reorder already because we're damn near out. Oh, that's great.
And it's in the cooler. We serve it cold. So there you go. It's got its own shelf in the cooler.
We're officially bang certified. Bang. That's where we got our cans from. Oh, we should have him on the show.
The guy? Oh, that would not be good. Yeah, probably not. No.
So, I got a new idea for a flavor. Oh, yeah? Yeah. They have some new coffee flavors that I'm still looking for.
Yeah. Well, we can get whatever you want. Oh, that's true. I forgot the chip name.
There's no problem. Hey, I'll take a case of this. I'll take a case of the peanut butter chocolate chip coffee thing. But I got a good name for one.
Yes. And a good flavor profile. Yes. I don't think they'll ever do it.
But they did do birthday cakes, so hey, you never know. They've come out with a caffeine-free birthday cake. Yeah, sounds... Still as sweet.
Well, like, the ad for it is if you crave it, a bang, but it's late at night. Right. So you don't want the caffeine. Good.
Okay. I don't know. I could fall asleep. I could take a bang and fall asleep.
That's better. So what is the flavor you'd like, Micah? Gorilla Piss is what I'd call it. What's it gonna taste like?
I like a rainbow sherbet or something, and then make it blue. I think that'd be awesome. The only one that's colored is the cola, and it's brown like cola. " It might flow with their marketing scheme, who knows?
I think it'd be awesome. They could have a guy dressed in a gorilla suit. So I'm just putting that out there. I mean, you know, it's a, you know.
I do follow the CEO on Instagram. Yeah, Bang Energy CEO. Bang CEO guy, yeah. Yeah.
Gorilla Piss. Gorilla Piss. I think it'd be amazing. It's just a little sour?
Would it be a little sour? No, I think it'd be sweet. Oh. But you know.
I don't know what gorilla pee tastes like. But you know, it's just kind of like, I don't know, I feel like badasses would drink it, you know? Oh, you workout people, that's right. Yeah, workout people.
What are you having after you work out? Ooh, gorilla piss, what about you? What do you drink before you work out? I drink gorilla piss.
It's like, okay, let's not mess with that. They can put whatever the thing is that makes your skin itchy in it when on the pre-workouts. The niacin? Oh, that's right.
Niacin B12. Niacin. All right. So yeah, Gorillapus.
All right, moving on. All right, moving on. I have some industry news. Yes?
The sale of the Imperial Cigar Division is expected to be announced in the coming weeks, and the bidding has been significantly narrowed. We talked about this several episodes ago. All right. Well, I don't remember, and I don't fact-check, so let's go.
Potentially to less than a handful of remaining bidders, one from Hong Kong, one from the Middle East, and another from a consortium being represented by the former Davidoff management. This is the Altus Company by... Altidus? Altidus?
What did I say, Altidus? Altidus. Yeah, what's the name of the big company? Okay, so here, let me just, let me dumb this down for you to tell you.
Dumb it down a little bit. I'll tell you who the winner's gonna be. Okay. The one that says Davidoff next to it is gonna be your guy.
Yeah. You think they're gonna get it? Yeah. Do you wanna know what all they get in this package?
Sure. Is it like... They get Altidus USA, Casa de Monte Cristo. " - But wait, if you order now, you get two companies.
R. Cigar, the second largest cigar retailer in the world, Tabula Cadera de Garcia, the world's largest cigar factory, and stakes in local Habanos distributors around the world. 3 and $2 billion from the sale of the premium business. I'm still talking, also estimates that the premium cigar business generates $450 million in revenue and earns $111 million in profit annually.
See what happens? He gets a fucking laptop and now all of a sudden he's, you know, king shit. Hey, this is my show. I'm talking.
This is my show. So, does Casa de Monte Cristo, is that included in that? That's included. Yes, I did mention that.
Okay, so. Yes, Casa de Monte Cristo, a chain of high-end retail stores, some owned by Imperial and others owned by franchise operators. Okay, so when are they thinking that the sale's going to go through? In the coming weeks.
They've narrowed the bidding down to four people. I don't think the people from Hong Kong will buy. They've got enough problems going on there. It's going to be the Davidoff guy.
It's always the Davidoff guy. Welcome to the cigar industry. Middle East, guys from the Middle East, a bunch of Arabs. It's going to be the Davidoff guy.
Hello, we'd like to buy these cigars. It's always the Davidoff guy. So, personally, I cannot wait until the sale happens and it's just done for. It's just done for because, you know...
Ah, Scandinavian Tobacco Group, that was the name I was looking for earlier. Because here's the deal, when it comes to, you know, somebody selling something, you minimize your inventory, you expand, you know, you try and show the most profit as possible, right? So you hold back on sales. So, you know, there hasn't been a tremendous amount of Poshik sales through Santa Clara, because...
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Is Santa Clara the same thing as JR? Yeah, they're tightening their budget.
And when they tighten the budget, they want to show profits, you know, you don't buy as much shit. People have been trying to buy it in pieces. Should I add allegedly to that? I mean, allegedly, yeah.
We have received no fallback from last week. That was amazing. Maybe nobody listens. Who cares?
No, good stuff, but we've received no legal notices for anything we allegedly said. Well, I mean, you know, I don't think that, because we're, you know, we're just honest, we weren't, we're not trying to shit on everybody, you know. I should have counted, I think we said allegedly 72 times. Well, I just said it once now.
There you go. Whew. People have been trying to buy it in pieces, but they want to sell it all as one big chunk. Of course.
Get more money. Break it up, it devalues it. I don't think so. If you break it up, you probably get more money out of it.
Yeah, but it's harder to sell a bunch of pieces in one big sale. Yeah. But a businessman, a smart businessman could go in, buy it, and then break it down and make more money. Oh, sure.
That's what those traders do. Yeah. Sell it for parts. Mm-hmm.
Other news, since he's such a fan and a friend of the show, Crux Cigars, Mr. Casey, the first round of their new look, Crux Cigars, before it was off to the stores, Crux has announced it is to begin shipping the updated packaging versions of its Epicure, Epicure Maduro, and the Guild blends. While the look is slightly different, the company says the cigars are the same. The next round of lines to get updated will be the Limitada, the Bull and Bear.
The Limitada. Limitada. The Limitada. The Limitada.
Limitada. Hot potato. Hot potato. Forgile.
Bull and Bear, which I'm not familiar with the Bull and Bear. But your company says we'll ship later. Oh, there you go. Ship later this year.
Okay. Casey's, first of all, hold on, Casey's a big fan of the show? Casey Hogan's been on the show three times. Yeah, but he's not like a listener.
He's a friend of the show. Oh, okay. I'm sure he's a fan also. We're really excited about the new packaging.
The new packaging actually looks really good. We're just helping Casey by making the announcement. You're such a sweet man. Our wide range of listeners we have.
Yeah. In Pakistan. Pakistan. Pakistan.
We're not that far yet. Don't jump ahead, and it's not Pakistan. Well, yeah, that was last week. That was last week, yes.
Oh, last week, yeah, but we have an addition this week, too. Oh, is it on that piece of paper? Oh, God. We're not going to show update yet, yet, show update yet.
What do you got over there on your piece of paper? What do you got? What do you got? I can tell you that someone broke into my car last night.
Did they really? Yeah. Oh, where did that happen? In your driveway?
Uh, yeah. You have so many cameras, you didn't catch them. I know. I don't know, I could look, but it's not worth my time.
Was it the bear? I mean, first of all, it's my fault, I guess I left my car unlocked. " Yeah, I usually lock it, but... Honey, it's a Nissan Versa, what do they think they're gonna get?
So, but like, here's the thing, like, I have nothing of value in my car. Yeah, but you do have a high-end brand of car, it's not a high-end car, but the brand is. So, when I opened my car door, everything that was in the console was out. So they were looking for value.
Just some fucking paperwork, and like, my glove box was left open, and nothing was taken to me. They didn't take the 72 lighters that were in there? No, they didn't take anything. They left the cigars, too.
" So here's the thing. I washed my car two weeks ago. I never washed my car. I shouldn't have done it.
They're like, "Ooh, that car's nice and shiny. " I could go and search through the cameras and see a suspicious person going through my car, but for one, what's that going to do? And for two, there's nothing of value in there anyway. Was your brother at your house over the weekend?
My brother can rummage through my stuff at any given time. By the same, maybe it was your brother. Maybe. Does your wife always jump on you to lock your car, did you say?
No, not really. My wife would jumble through my car to make it look like somebody broke in just to get me to start locking my car. That's devotion. So yeah, so I had to rearrange my shit.
Thanks for messing up all my shit today. Oh, well, we were supposed to go to the bacon brew thing at Deland, but we ended up going to the German festival in Sanford. Oh, in Sanford. Wunderbach.
Wunderbach. And we kept running into people we knew as we walked through the thing. Yeah, well, you know, you're a big deal. Well, I don't know about that.
You know, look at the Roma love that you're surrounded by now. You know, this is crazy. Well, I didn't run into anybody from Roma Craft, unfortunately, but we did run into Greg's friend. Nice.
Ex-friend. I've already cleared this, so I can talk about it. Oh, you've been approved. I've been approved.
I'm ready to shut it down. " She was with Emile. Yeah, of course. From Cordoba & Morales?
Yeah. Right. Yeah. " I didn't recognize her because she had sunglasses on.
Not Emile, but the other person. So I didn't hug her or nothing. I just hugged Emile, and then I walked back over. Uh-oh.
And then she sees my wife, so Emile runs out of line, and I'm standing there. Still didn't know who she was. " Oh, she said that? Yeah.
Oh, that was on the outskirts. So then we, you know, say hello. No, you're totally fine. You're totally fine.
Pics are fine. We have no problem with you. No problem with you. Just don't get with him.
Stay away from him. We wish you the best over there. We wish you the best over there. That's right.
Just as long as you're, you know, not with him, it's fine. Then later in the day, we're at Celery City, we run into them again, then they sit down and join us for a cigar, and it was awkward small talk for about 15 minutes, then let's see, who showed up, then Drew showed up, one of our Patreons, Mr. Patron Drew, Drew Carpenter, and then his mother, and then Slappy, Slappy showed up, and then Mr. and Mrs.
Baldwin showed up, the doctor and his wife. We had a party. Saturday night? Saturday day.
Oh, wow. Saturday day. And then Drew's mother. You already said that.
Did I say Drew's mother? Yeah. Oh, and then some friends of the Baldwins that we know through the Baldwins. You got to be quite the little- You had a party.
Quite the little crowd. Well, we ran into people at different points in the city. Mm-hmm. You know, we stopped and saw Jimmy at Celery City Cigars.
Mm-hmm. Very, very long day. We were there noon till, I don't know, like six. It was a very long day.
Oh, very nice. Nice. Very long day of drinking and things. Well, not for me, but, you know.
Yeah, I mean, you know, you're a professional drinker. We went to Tuffy's, which is a bit of a walk, but they have a huge outdoor area with a boat that you can sit in to sit in ice. A drinking boat? Well, it's a drinking, smoking boat this weekend.
Yeah, it's a boat you can drink on. Yeah. Like a drinking car. It's got a booth in it.
Yeah, like the drinking Ferraris we're all going to buy. You get in a Ferrari and you get drunk, you just can't drive. It's a drinking car. It's a drinking boat.
You just don't drive. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, no keys in the ignition. We really like downtown Sanford.
Yeah, me too. A lot of stuff going on. Huge fan. I heard a slight story about your weekend.
Yeah? That we would like to address here on the air. We're in 20 minutes, so we'll just go ahead and let it go. Oh, shit.
I heard there was something that your wife wanted you to do, and there is a conflict with your date. Your brother told me about this as he's sitting in the backseat of your car. Is this okay? Can we keep going?
Sure, go ahead. " So now I can't have these conversations in front of my brother, apparently. You know, I count on you guys to kind of have this all sorted out for me. But, you know, apparently...
You're not that big a deal, Michael. Yeah, apparently I need to handle these things myself. Is it the event next weekend? Yeah.
Because we cleared that with her several weeks ago. I thought so. Yes, we did. You've got to understand, okay, she is like at capacity of pregnancy.
Oh, yes, I understand. So I like to give her kind of football terms. And I say that she's, you know, she's operating at about 65% right now. So she's not, you know, it's not low enough for us to put her on IR for the rest of the year.
But, you know. Which is injured reserve. You know, yeah, exactly. I knew that.
But she's got a lot going on. So, you know, she's missing a couple things. It's okay. It's all right.
You know, we still love her. And, you know. Everything's fine. She's creating life.
It takes a lot out of you. I just found it funny that you threw my name at you. I was like, well, did you talk to Paul? Did you clear that?
You can't do that. So I can't do that. I'll have to work on my calendar moving forward. Oh, can't we set up some way through the phone where it's all shared between the three of us?
Yeah, I think that'd be acceptable. Oh, I am now also your brother's assistant, too. No, absolutely not. Well, the reason that happened is there's a rep coming in tomorrow that some reason contacted me over the weekend to see what time he should come in on Tuesday.
I love that. " Somebody want on the show, or no? Uh, Adrian from HR? Oh, you know, we can put him on if we've, uh...
Tomorrow, it'll be tomorrow. Maybe, if we're here. Maybe, if we're here, depends on how late we're here. I'll reach out to my wife and let me know.
I'll let you know if you're clear tomorrow afternoon. I told him, don't show up except between 12:30 and 5:00. And catch a Szczepan Kavich at the shop. Wow.
The guarantee to catch one. Right. Which is what it is. Real quick before we go to break.
Because we're everywhere. You're a very busy, very busy man. Of course, your wife apparently doesn't think you're that busy. You know.
But this Saturday, we will be at Cigar Life. We're shooting an episode on location. Can't wait to see that, how that disaster rolls out. Cigar Life in Lakeland.
But we do have the shiny new computer. It will not be making the trip. We do not need it for the setup. Wow.
Very protective of your new computer. Very protective, yes, of where this thing goes and what happens with it. It's supposed to be used. It is going to be used.
All right. But that doesn't mean it has to travel. I think it does. No.
Okay. And the setup we're using for the 19th, I think we're also going to do a daily wrap-up from the hotel when we're in Arizona. Well, I'm going to try and get Lenny on. Oh, we can do that.
We can set it up anywhere you want. He said that he's down, so we'll see how he conveys. A little mini-show from Lenny's? Yeah, we'll test it out, and, you know, he's a great guy, and he's my kind of crazy, so...
We could always just start, we could do a little segment that we plug into a larger show, where you just interview him. That's not a problem. Especially with the, you know, the new equipment, Shun will be doing picture-in-picture, and... It's amazing.
might add a second camera, because I've been watching YouTube videos out the ass all weekend. See that? Oh, that's how you do that? Thank you, Skip.
Thank you, Skip. Rejuvenated him. You've put life back into Mr. Palm.
Well, the biggest difference between this lovely 2019 Apple MacBook Pro Megalodon and our 1982 Apple computer, it would not run iMovie, it was so old. Right. " And here you are, just living your best life. There I am living my best life.
Okay. So this week's Cigar Hustler update we are shooting, John will be able to have the little photo next in where he can actually point to that if he wanted to. But it can be video or a still photo. Nice, very nice.
What else you got? We're gonna break here. We're at 24 minutes. Let's take a break.
And then we'll come back. We have a show update. Yeah, and I got some news. You got some news?
Yeah. And I have one other thing to go over, so we'll be right back. All right. com and search for Cigar Hustlers podcast and become part of the show.
Pick whichever tier works best for your budget, and you'll get to hear the secret shows. And we're back to Cigar Hustlers podcast, episode 91, presented by Romacraft Tobac. Oh, my God. So we have a show update.
Yeah. We would like to welcome Portugal. Portugal. To the Cigar Hustler family.
Ooh, very nice. And thank you to Sofia P. Now, I cannot pronounce your last name, Sofia, I'm sorry, but it appears to be Gomez, G-O-M-E-E-S. Yeah, Gomez.
Her IG is Sofia P. Gomez. Yeah. She's our new friend in Portugal.
Okay, so now I have questions. Okay, so this is the second person you've reached out to? A second country, yes. Okay, and another woman.
They seem to respond faster than... So, what's going on here, Mr. Palmer? Oh, and if you look up Sophia, she's quite the attractive young woman.
You're trying to get hoes in different area codes, is that what's going on? Different countries? Different countries? From when we go on the road?
No, I usually try to start out with the tourist division of a particular country, but they don't seem to want to, you know, they don't want to answer it. But young ladies want the notoriety, it appears, to get their name set on a highly rated podcast, as I tell them, quite popular in the United States, and soon to be around the world, to have their name set and be tagged on next week's video of the Cigar Hustler Podcast presented by Roma Craft Tobacco. So epic. So epic, so yes.
So you're hitting on bitches in different countries, very nice. I hit on guys too, but they don't want to reply. A lot of soccer players in Portugal, but soccer players apparently think they're famous enough, they don't need help from Cigar House. So when you hit on the dudes, do you have your shirt off or anything like that?
There's no photos exchanged. Maybe that's why it's not working. Maybe. You should just drop a shirtless picture to some of these dudes.
Like, hey. Hey. This is what you're missing out on. This is what you're missing out on the show here.
Would you like me to mention your name? I can mention your name and talk very slowly and lower register. Registered. With this shirt off.
With this shirt off. That'd be epic. We have listener of the week. Yes?
Oh. Uh-oh. That moment when you realized you screwed somebody out of being listener of the week. No, no.
We mentioned the gentleman who sent us the Slapdick shirt last week, so we didn't make him again listener this week. But we will have a gong that we have been so desperately needing. What? The gong will be here tomorrow.
Did you order it? I ordered a gong. You ordered a gong? I ordered a gong.
We'll have a gong for the Listener of the Week. This is becoming more and more like a game show. And you, gong, are Listener of the Week! Wow, where are you going to put that?
You're going to have to start moving some stuff around. I'm going to need a bigger desk. You're going to have to start thinning some of this out. No, no, the gong's going to go on the desk, so I can...
Oh, it's a little gong. It's a little, yeah, no, I did not buy a gong the size of this. Okay, okay. Yes, I have to stand up, we're going to have a shirtless Asian man who just goes...
That's racist. Anyway, listener of the week is Mr. Justin Littlefield. Yeah?
He came in this past week to get some help with his podcast. Ah. Mr. Littlefield has Asperger's and he does his own podcast about his life, dealing with that and his everyday life.
The podcast is called Defining My Meaning. Ooh, a nice little plug. Yes, and we'd like to thank you for him coming in and chatting with us. It's very nice meeting you.
Look at you. Unfortunately, I don't know how we could combine our two podcasts, Justin. I just don't see how that would work. As I do not have Asperger's, and I don't know if you know much about cigars, so I don't know.
He's a cigar guy, he comes in here and smokes a cigar. Well, oh does he? I thought he came in, saw the sign, asked us some questions, and hung out and then left, didn't buy anything. I thought maybe he, have you seen him in here before?
Yeah. Oh, okay, good, that makes it a little less awkward. I mean, it's still awkward that he did it, but whatever. Okay, we have a new subscriber on YouTube.
We now have 125 subscribers on YouTube. Heyo! And since the numbers aren't going as fast as we like on YouTube going up, I found essential tips to get YouTube subscribers in 2019. OK.
OK? There are several things here on the list. We do some, and some we don't do, so we need to start incorporating some of these. OK.
But the number one thing that you should - I know you love a list, Michael. You love a list. Love it. Love a list.
The number one thing you should plan to create a script for your videos. Oh, that's out. Well, it's right here. Oh.
We do that. Okay, yeah, we do that. Create highly informative and engaging content. We definitely do that.
Oh, we do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, yeah, yeah. Increase your consistency and frequency of uploading videos.
Show up every week. Yeah, I was going to say, we do that, too, because it's every week. It's up on the same day. Hashtags?
They talk about hashtags? Hashtags. I put up every Monday the reminder with some type of funny little thing. Did you see this week's?
No. Oh. Everybody else saw it, I guess, so not you. Huh.
I'll go back and watch it for you. It's just a photo. I'll go back and look at it for you. Start with an intro and outro that keeps people interested.
We have that. We do that. We have that. Design attractive video thumbnails.
I do that. You do that? I do that every week. The thumbnail is usually this.
But now you can mix it up with your fancy iMovie. Oh, there is ways to do title screens and stuff, which we will incorporate into the videos. Yes, we will start small and get bigger. Check.
So, now we go into the things that we don't. Here's what we're not doing. Here's what we're not doing. Optimizing your titles.
Okay. Which means to do this, one way is to set up an offbeat and distinctive title for your YouTube video. Usually, it's just episode, like this will be episode 91 news and information. Industry news.
Yeah, industry news, information, that kind of stuff. So, it should say episode 91, Gorilla Piss, is what it should say. Right, something, correct, exactly. This will generate some curiosity in viewers.
Because everybody wants to know what the hell the Gorilla Pist is about. That's right, so that's what it'll be. You're welcome. Thank you.
Write Smarch. Write Smarch. Smarch. Write Smarch.
Write some Smarch. I added two, I put two words together. Write smart and searchable descriptions. Like.
Video descriptions are very highly helpful in getting YouTube subscribers to your channel. It has to find your videos in search as well as written descriptions with good keywords that make your channel rank high in YouTube search results. For this, what uh... Sounds like it's on you, bud.
Yeah, yeah, that's on me. I do use the tags, but apparently you need to put the tags into the description. I can't believe we're reviewing the entire list. Go ahead.
No, no, there's only ten. Okay. Where are we at? But half we did and half we didn't.
We're at number eight now. Number eight, use YouTube annotations to increase your reach. I'm not exactly sure how this works, but it seems like it's more video editing using the YouTube software. If you'll notice when you watch YouTube videos, it'll be a little thing that shows up sometime on the bottom of the screen.
click here for more information well there's a way to do that which i have to learn how to figure that out screw that up a couple times then you'll be good yeah click that and they automatically become subscribers that type of thing okay select a suitable video category most people search by categories based on their interest and likes so you make sure to like one that suits the most of your video uh there's only there's certain options i think we always go under either culture or hobbies right it's one or the other yeah it's kind of hard to decide where we go there's not We could go into humor, I guess. I think hobbies is probably the way to go. Hobbies instead of culture? Yeah.
Okay. And then finally, edit like a mad and creative artist. Make sure you're good at editing because when it comes to editing, you need to let your ruthless creative mind, ruthless creative mind, that's an incorrect sentence. Editing makes the video much more effective and shows your sense of professionalism as well.
Well, with the new Apple Laptop Macintosh Pro Megalodon from Roma Craft Tobac, our editing will definitely increase. As I learned how to use iMovie and get away from the slapdick software. So the title is now Gorillapus and Megalodon. Gorillapus and Megalodon.
Yes. Excellent. Yes. So that is it.
So we have five things to work on. So you're 50% there. That's what I figured, yeah. Going on our third year, 50%.
Good job. So by the end of the fourth year, we will be 100%. All right. Can we talk about something else now?
Yes. That's all I have for this week. Thank God. So this wraps up a Cigar Hustler podcast presented by AromaCraft.
Oh, no. Oh, I'm sorry. You have something. I forgot.
I got my own stuff. I forgot. I'm sorry. I got one thing left.
It's a big one for me. Oh, we're at 30 minutes. Okay. We need to stretch it another 30 minutes.
Oh, well, I mean, I have no problem stretching it. We could talk about all the different cigars at Romacraft Tobacco. No, I'll tell you what I want to talk about. Yes, what would you like to talk about?
I'd like to talk about Cho Gui. Oh! Yeah, you forgot. This'll kill 30 minutes.
You forgot. I did. So, we have a friend, a mutual friend, who has a connection with the factory who produces the Cho Gui cigars. In the Dominican Republic.
In the Dominican Republic. Now, I usually handle the representation for this cigar. I've been asked countless times over the past year what the hell's going on with this cigar. Our dear friend Victor, who owns the company, I don't know what's going on with him.
I've heard several rumors. He's in construction, he's in... I don't know what he's doing. Have you heard any rumors about him coming back in the industry?
No, that's not, no. Okay, so. Things about women and losing his mind and broken heart. Oh, well.
Allegedly. Allegedly. Okay, so. I can, like, from back here, there's still something.
I know. This is great. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. I can't do that with this, though.
So, anyways. Well, of course, mine is set perfect. Yeah. You're just slapdicks in there without the new computer.
Thanks. So, we have a mutual friend. Yes. " Because there's product there that's just sitting.
And I said, hey, you know, I reached out to Victor, I didn't hear back from him. Oh, I was gonna say, did you? I said, hey, you know, I'm gonna buy the stuff at the factory. Now, I didn't say that I was gonna cut him out, 'cause I'm not that kind of guy, I would still pay him.
Oh, look at you, what a guy. What do you know about me, dude? No, no, no, I'm not surprised, I'm not surprised at all, no, no. But I, you know what, that thought didn't even cross my mind.
I'd make sure that he's compensated. That one's very nice of you. Such a nice man. Such a large, angry person.
So, but I take care of my friends. Yes, that's true you do. I mean, I have this. That wasn't me.
I don't know. But my connection with you made my connection with them. Okay, fair enough. I would like to feel, though, at some point, he would have just bought me one anyway.
Yeah, that's probably true. Because he would have been a fan of my individual show. He's a fan of you. He's not a fan of me.
He's a fan of you. He's a fan of the show. Yeah. So, anyway, I had our mutual friend reach out to the factory and said, "Hey, look, you know, the guy who handles the distribution of the product wants to carry, wants to purchase what you have.
" Because there are a lot of retailers that still want the product. Right. People are asking for it. So, it's easy to kind of fill that need, fill the void.
This is one of my favorites. People ask me sometimes, they'll go, "So what's going on? " Keep the system, the supply line going, you know, and keep everybody happy. Everybody makes money.
so this motherfucker factory owner now we asked the factory owner we asked what do you want us to pay for for the product he says $4 a stick now let me break that down for you guys because you don't know anything about maybe you don't know anything about the cigar industry wait should this be a Patreon are you going to tell how cigar pricing works I don't give a shit I'll break it down really fast please go ahead Listen, just because, you know, Patreons get really good stuff, but so do our listeners, goddammit. Yes, yes, they do. So, $4 a stick, pre-wholesale. Then you gotta pay for shipping and taxes.
That means that that cigar landed is probably five and change, right? Now, on top of that, it'd be nice to make a little bit of money on the product, right? 50 a stick, which is still light. Right.
That means that the cigar retails at $13 or $14. I was going to say, here's where the big hit comes. And it's totally priced out of the fucking market. Yeah, cigars are all turnkey, so it just boop.
So instead of, so this guy's been sitting on this product for over a year. And instead of saying, hey, you know what, here's the fair price for it, you know, let me know, we can handle the transport, yada yada. He turns around and he fucking boxed at me with this ridiculous price. So what did I respond to our friend?
I don't remember what you came back with. I remember what the next price was, though. Well, the next - Oh, you did say, well, this is a great podcast material. No, before that, I said, we don't negotiate.
Oh, yeah, we don't negotiate with terrorists. We don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm done. I'm not even going to the table with this guy.
Like, that's ridiculous. That is, like, the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard in my life. So, here's - and the reason why I want this to be public knowledge is because of the fact that There are a lot of people that are in love with this industry, and a lot of people want to be involved in this industry, and they don't know what exactly it takes and costs, and there's a whole elaborate process to get it into the United States. I mean, not even talking about FDA, substantial equivalency, and all that other bullshit, right?
So, if you decide to get into the cigar industry, and you're in a third world country, and they're telling you $4 a stick before it even leaves the country, they are flat out fucking you and taking tremendous advantage of you, and you're just going to lose all your money. So, don't do that. So, I don't understand why he's wanting so much. I mean, you can...
I can tell you why. Well, you can... Well, hold on. You can back it up and figure out what he's got into it.
That's not hard to do. Right. Or what he would normally sell it at. I can tell you why.
Okay, go ahead. He's trying to fuck us and take advantage. It's just that simple. What, does he think you just don't know what you're doing?
Yeah. Oh, he just figured this is just some guy who wants to buy it. I'm just going to rape it and be done. Right.
" Yeah, that's a great price. That's a great price, $4 a stick. It's not even close. Normally that costs, what, they sell between $7 and $9 here, right?
$7 and $10 or $8 and $10. I think they're on $9, $8, $9, something like that. Right, so they're thinking, oh, it's half price, you know, it's great. Right, and then you've got to pay Uncle Sam, you've got to pay to get in here.
People don't realize that he's taking a complete step out, he's bumped himself up, the wholesale pricing. So here you have a guy that's flat out trying to take advantage of a situation, and that isn't a person that I'll do business with, period. Right. That guy can go fuck himself.
So, if you're friends with that guy, you can tell him I said it. Because I don't give a shit. Have you ever met that man? Well, no.
Maybe I have. I might have. I honestly might have. But the sad part is that's one of the major things that's wrong with this fucking industry.
Is people like him taking advantage of people that are trying to build something. Right. He's trying to make himself the wholesaler. No.
He's just trying to screw somebody over for a one run. No, but wouldn't that be roughly the wholesale price? No, not even that. No, not even that.
He's not even thinking about that. He doesn't give a shit about that. " Oh, yeah. So that, you know, because he's assuming that, you know, I have no knowledge, I guess, of the industry.
Right, but you don't know what you're doing. So if somebody else were to approach him and hit him with that price, and you know, let's say somebody put their entire life savings of, you know, I don't know, $67,000,000 or whatever, into the industry, right? And then they can't fucking sell them. Right.
So this guy just totally crushed what somebody's hard-earned money is for their whole life. Yes. And dude, it happens a lot in this industry. Sure it does.
It's complete bullshit. Yeah. There's guys that come in here with cigars that they've done, and they're wanting those type of prices, and you're just like, mmm, it's not that kind of cigar, buddy. Sorry.
It's just absurd. It's absurd to me. It's absurd. So, um, I hope that our listeners hung out to the end and got the meat and potatoes of this podcast, because that's definitely some information that I think everybody should know.
That's what I put in the title. He tried to fuck us. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Don't negotiate.
Oh, yeah, we negotiate with terrorists. Gorillapiss. Gorillapiss. And We Don't Negotiate.
No, there was something else too. Megalodon. Megalodon. Megalodon.
I gotta write all this down or I'll forget. For the title. For the title. Episode 91.
Gorillapiss. G-O-R-I. Gorillapiss. 20 bucks says you spell gorilla wrong.
G-O-R-I-L-L-S. When you put it up. Oh, probably. Megalodon.
Yeah, I don't think there's a proper way to spell Megalodon. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Right. Oh, see, they're going to get so much better with these types.
I mean, I'm so intrigued. I want to listen right now. I know. Only can see what this is.
For some reason, terrorists are going to take over the Cigar Hustler Podcast presented by Roma Craft Tobac. Right. Right. And that's why I don't work with anybody for my product outside of the Nikos Winno factory.
Well, Skip Martin is such a nice man. Isn't he? He's very fair, I'm sure, with every business. He's a great...
Well, he's honest. He's an honest man. We should just call him honest Skip for no one. Honest Skip.
Honest Skip, the nicest man in the cigar industry. I can't wait till you see him again in person for the first time. It's going to be so amazing. It's going to be so awkward.
It's going to be a big hug. I'm going to see Michael very soon. I want you to hug him and just hold him. And just not let go.
Just stand around holding his hand. Like, thank you. Just going to hold his hand. Ask if he needs, do you need anything?
Skip, do you need anything? Can I get you something? Can I get you something? Do you want a drink?
Do you need some rum? Want some rum? I can't wait till the next post. He's like, now I'm regretting purchasing.
Can you send that back, please? You know, I've thought about it, and I really don't want you to have it anymore. You really don't want? Do me a favor, just take it and throw it off the balcony.
I don't need it, I just don't want you to have it anymore. When you tell Palmer, stop calling my phone, please. When's his daughter's birthday, I have to send Fiorella something for her birthday. Does Amazon deliver it down there?
Does it deliver it? No. You've got to go through channels. I'll have to take it myself.
There you go. Delivered. Bing bong. Hello.
Hello. Would you like to come in? Are you here to visit? No, no, I'm just dropping this off and feel around.
I gotta go. I gotta go. I gotta go. I gotta get back in that car.
It's coming back around. So there you go. Huh. What a great show.
I feel so much better now that I said that. You got that off your chest? Yeah. Amazing.
Should we shoot footage tonight during the inventory? No. Oh, and at the end of the conversation, I did say, let him know that I thank him for the podcast content. For the podcast content.
Fuck yeah. Yes. I liked it first, because we were, it was a three-way text, because our friend was down there. He was asking me who you were.
What's his other phone number? Who is this other person? That's awesome. He had no idea.
He had no idea who I, who I put into the conversation. Hey, uh, you added somebody. You added somebody. Who is this?
Oh, I can't wait till he gets here. I'm gonna put him on blast, too. He wants to fly up and visit Mr. Bougie now.
Yeah. All right. Uh, this has been, uh, episode 91. The Cigar Hustler Podcast, presented by Roma Craft Tobac.
Nine away from 100. Nine away. I have several ideas for the 100th show, and some will be harder to do than others. I'm not exactly sure how it's going to play out.
All right. I might need some help from your wife. I don't know about that. You guys can't.
You're too close now. Wow. So. She's coming.
Oh, she'll be here tomorrow. Maybe I'll, if I remember I'll ask her. No, now she can't come. She won't be here.
She's here like four hours before you get here. I have plenty of time to talk to my friend. Talk to my friend. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
All right. Man, that's how you got the girl. No, there's no girls in my family. Yeah, exactly.
There's no girl. If it's a girl, definitely not mine. She looks like you. We got a fucking problem, pal.
I got a doctor to yell at, because I got fixed years ago. Wow. All right. Thank you, everybody, for listening.
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for all new episodes. Hi, I'm doing a Husto-y-raw. Yeah, we just don't have to do a single, uh, single podcast ever again. Perfect.
I'm good, Mike and Mike. How are you guys doing? I don't even have to try to. He's not even going to try.
We're going to, we're going to cover a lot of ground here, Mike. All right, try to keep up. That's a sign of a good podcast. It's going to be like four cigars when I walked in a door.
All right, end this. Thank you.
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