Episode Title: “Tariffs, Tensions & Tobacco: Cigar Wars & National Guard”

Transcript

Welcome to the Cigar Hustlers

podcast.

Welcome to episode 391 of the

Cigar Hustler Podcast.

Where Palmer is grumpy.

Yes, not grumpy.

Grumpy girls grumpy.

All right, the events coming up

June 20th, Mike and I will be at

Harrisburg Beer and Cigars in

Harrisburg, PA from 5:00 PM to

9:00 PM.

Then on June 21st, we will be

part of the Crawl in

Pennsylvania at 9:30 AM.

What?

9:30 AM.

We'll be at the Cigar Vault,

Oakdale for stop #2 on the

crawl. 930 AM. 9:30 AM.

People drink it that early in

the morning.

I don't know if this is a

drinking thing or not.

It's a crawl for what I

understand.

People have been up all night

long waiting on this to start.

Oh.

And then we'll follow, follow

that up with a special Postana

event around lunchtime, OK,

until we have to leave for the

airport and then we go and then

we go and.

We fly home.

And we fly home.

Then on June 26th, I'll be at

Blendin Barrel in Sanford, FL

from 6:00 to 9:00 PM doing a

pairing with Dalmore Whiskey.

So come on out and watch me

drink whiskey, and everybody

knows I'll just love whiskey.

Dalmore.

Dalmore.

Do more.

It's Dal.

It's it's spelled Dal he.

Needs.

He needs to do more is what he

needs to do.

Be a little more angry.

And then finally, on June 5th,

right after we celebrate

Independence Day, we're having a

ticketed BBQ dinner with Chip

Martin here at Cigar.

With Chip.

With Chip and the Private

Lounge, part of the Hustler

Experience series with a 24

person intimate dinner is 24

right?

2424 people.

Intimate dinner and live taping

of the Cigar Hustler Podcast.

You're switching back and forth

though.

By the way, has has really

become weak?

Some well, I like the little

banter I don't switch on.

Why?

No, I think that's important.

You like you like the little

banter?

You got to stay on top of it.

Everything, yeah.

But.

Before it was I was switching

too much.

Well, you noticed my intros were

too long, then they were too

short, and then they were too.

Long so somewhere in the middle

of all that we're going to have

a great podcast all right

perfect all right so I need you

to work on that.

I think that what happened too

was you, you had an audience,

you had Ginger in town and

you're like, I'm going to bring

my A game when it comes to

speaking.

And you did bring your A game.

But Oh yeah, you did talk more.

But I feel like because you were

bringing your A game with your

speaking, you kind of dial the.

You're on your C game with the

button.

C Yeah, your button C game,

button C game.

So what I need, what we need

from you is B game on both

fronts.

Just.

Over there, Yeah, I'm clicking,

clicking.

We need B game on both fronts.

Just B game OK?

It's like he's got a paintball

gun now.

He's always good.

All right.

All right, Episode 3 What?

W what bad?

Oh yeah, go ahead.

What are we doing with the

Patreon, Michael?

I don't know, unwrap yours and

show everybody.

Oh boy, it is the tatwa.

Hey, meat something.

The tatwa Hey meat something.

Pork.

Don't.

Don't say that it's not pork.

Tenderloin.

We don't love this meat.

Can't say that.

We don't love this meat.

No, that's pork, the other white

meat.

Pork tenderloin.

He makes pork tenderloin.

Yes, you do you.

Well, I just didn't want to call

it meat because that's a whole

other thing.

Meat, huh?

Oh, like LOVER.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

We've already got one totally

different meat.

We already got one e-mail from

that.

Gentleman, this is a pork

tenderloin.

Yes, completely different.

It's a white meat, the other

white meat.

This you, you can smoke and and

you will confirm if you're

Christian or not, right?

OK, Muslims don't eat pork.

That's correct.

Well, well, you could be Jewish.

You could be Jewish.

Jewish.

People don't eat pork either.

Are you Jewish, Palmer?

Yes, Shalom, this.

Is like a Muslim thing then, so

the Muslims won't smoke this.

Well, Jewish people are kind of

aren't they Muslims?

Kosher.

No.

Aren't Jewish people Muslims?

Yes.

And all named Mohammed.

Mohammed's Mohammed.

Mohammed Palmer.

Those Israelis.

Those Muslim Israelis.

Muslim Israelis name Mohammed.

OK alright.

This week we cover major

immigration raids in LA and the

fiery fallout as Trump calls on

the National Guard.

The Trump Musk feud hits new

lows.

TSA reminds us Costco cards

won't fly.

What?

Oh, yeah.

All right.

And cigar news is packed.

Tariffs hit prices, import

drops, Max Beachler exits Rocky

Patel, plus new releases from

Christophe, Michaelis and

Dunbarton.

And it's game time again with

the world's new favorite game.

What's the score?

Yes, Mike versus Boots and a

cigar showdown you don't want.

To miss.

You know, just skip all the

other stuff.

Let's just get to.

That just get to that, yeah.

Let me ask you, did you look?

Did you look last week?

On what?

He thinks you cheat reviews.

He thinks you.

Cheat.

You were kind of.

You were pretty good there, no?

I didn't look no, I wouldn't

even know where to.

I I I don't know anything about

the half wheel except the thing

to.

Stop any type of cheating

involved.

I went back in the archives and

pulled one from an older review

that no one would know where I

got it from.

How old?

2012.

Oh my God dude, that's too old.

Why a reviews a review?

Is that still Brooks and

Charlie?

It's still Brooks and Charlie.

Alright, but let's try and keep

it next time moderately up to

date.

I think that's kind.

Of important Well, when?

No, no worry.

You just you just said I.

Can't wait to hear what the

cigar.

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All right, Federal agents

conduct immigration rage across

LA, Trump borders National Guard

response sparking riots in LA

Federal agents conducted a

series of immigration sweeps

across Los Angeles on Friday,

prompting anger and resistance

from onlookers and immigrants

right groups that have braced

for this type of action for

months.

By Saturday, tensions were

rising between state and local

authorities and Trump

administration officials, who

said they were calling up the

National Guard in response to

what they said were violent mobs

attacking ICE officers and

federal law enforcement agents

carrying out basic deportation

operations.

Los Angeles Governor Gavin

Newsom called the plan to take

over deployment from the state

purposefully inflammatory,

adding that what the hell does

that mean?

Yeah, really?

Well, normally the National

Guard is under the control of

the governor of the state.

OK.

Trump had to do a special thing

so he could call him up.

Yeah, it's an override.

Yeah, so Trump is in charge.

So this is like well.

He's always been in charge.

He just lets the governor over

there watch the babies.

So this is this.

So this is like Dark Knight

Rises with.

Bain, go sit down.

The guy's yelling I'm in charge.

And then Bain goes.

Do you feel in charge?

That's Trump, Yes.

Yes.

Newsom said he'd been in close

coordination with the city and

county, and there is currently

no no need for the National

Guard.

President Donald Trump, I don't

know if that's true.

Yeah, I've seen some videos.

I've seen some videos, I've seen

some photos and stuff.

Have you seen What have you

seen?

What have you seen?

The unmanned taxis are really

big out there, apparently, so

they're taking them to where the

riots are and then they trash

the car.

And they're burning them.

They're burning them.

They crack the windows with a

skateboard.

They spray painted graffiti all

over them.

Don't forget the brick throwers.

I didn't see a brick thrower, I

saw a man with a skateboard.

There was a guy in the medium

throwing bricks at every car

trying to pass through I.

Love that, oh every car.

Why doesn't nobody and nobody

ran that guy over?

I'm just trying to figure out

where the bricks came from.

It was like a pallet of bricks.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Well, maybe it's a brick layer

by trade.

Like he can order from Home

Depot.

He's like, I want them right

here, I penned.

It don't go to Home Depot's

where the riots started.

Really.

Well, of course ICE went there

and just gathered people up.

Yeah, of course.

And that's where it started.

Serious.

Yeah, wow.

Yeah, of course they go to Home

Depot.

But now they're all gathering in

one place.

Yeah, now they're right off the

highway somewhere.

Right off the highway somewhere.

I saw a video of like 8 cop cars

sitting on a highway and people

just chucking bricks and all

sorts of things.

Now, do they know, are these all

illegal immigrants that are or

are these people that support

illegal immigrants?

It's a mixture.

Is it a mixture?

I guess there's no way how.

Can you excuse me, Sir?

Are you an immigrant?

Well.

Maybe he wears a car, a shirt,

says no green card come get me

and.

No green card?

Come get me, we'll throw sticks

or I'm.

An American shirt.

That's what he's wearing.

No, the other ones that are say

I they wear.

I am an American.

No, the ones that aren't should

be wearing the ones out of

America so they don't give

themselves.

Really confused, right?

But it's safe to say things are

kind of out of control.

I would say so, yes, yeah.

Certainly this is this is like

history repeats itself.

Don't you feel like this is like

the the whole Rodney King thing

again?

Rodney King.

Yeah, like when the whole LA

South?

Central LA, he thinks, because

it's in LA.

And there is.

Pandemonium.

Yeah.

Well and also non whites that

it's the same thing.

I didn't say that, yeah.

That's what you said.

Borderline racial story?

Well.

Man, well, did you guys have you

OK?

This is your story.

There's more to add to.

This this feels a little

different to me than it.

Does feel a little different to

me.

Too.

Call me crazy.

Yeah.

Does it?

Yeah, this is an immigration

issue.

Not like, you know, Rodney just

got beat up because he was in

the wrong place.

Yeah.

Running out the crap beat out of

him for no reason.

Did he get beat up because he

was in the wrong place?

Oh my God.

And cancelled.

There we go.

And boots will be replaced next

week with.

An African American man who has

completely different views Trump

on social media said the move

was needed if Governor Gavin

Newcomb of California and Mayor

Newcomb.

That's his last name.

That's his last name, Newsom.

NEWSCWM Nukesum.

Well, it's California.

You could pronounce it either

way.

Yeah, it's Newsome.

It's like carrot and carrot.

Same thing, Nukem.

Yeah.

Nukem Mayor Karen Bass of Los

Angeles can't do their jobs,

which everyone knows they can't.

Then I like how he does that.

They can't do their jobs.

We all know they can't do their

jobs right.

And the federal, federal

government will step in and

solve the problem, rioters and

looters, the way it should be

solved.

Oh, he's just get rid of them.

President signed a memorandum

authorizing at least 2000

National Guard personnel, as

well as any other members of the

regular armed forces, as

necessary to augment and support

the protection of federal

functions and property in any

number determined appropriate in

this discretion.

Basically he wrote a blank

check.

Well, when you.

Yeah.

He he prints the money.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

They print the money, right?

They don't, you know.

Because I'm sending this many

people, unless I need more than

I'm sending those, unless I need

somebody from somebody else and

I'm sending those too.

And then if we need air support,

I'm going to send those people,

OK.

Yeah, don't make me call back.

By name, Mohammed is not allowed

in the area because booted.

So what's that?

Anybody?

But no, no Mohammads are allowed

Mohammeds.

Well, they don't live there, all

right.

A conflict in Paramount, a city

about 56,000 residents South of

LA that's maybe heard S South

Central LA.

That's the same, and that's why

you thought assumably the same

thing, right?

Attracted national attention

after protests near a Home Depot

extended into Saturday.

Those protests appear to have

begun when ICE agents were

spotted in the area.

Sheriff's officials said in a

statement Saturday that as the

situation escalated, the crowd

of protesters became

increasingly agitated, throwing

objects and exhibiting violent

behavior towards federal agents.

And deputy sheriff's, in

response to the Los Angeles

Sheriff's Department request,

requested additional resources

countrywide deploying additional

deputies to maintain order.

So I showed up on the weekend or

was it like end of last week?

It's.

Probably during the week 'cause

they're all looking for jobs.

That's what I'm asking.

Because it was towards the end

of the week.

So it was still during the, IT

was during a week.

I don't think the ice is just a

Monday through Friday thing, I

think.

They well, I'm just saying,

would Home Depot be that busy

with, you know, potential

immigrants if it was on a

weekend?

I I don't know how that works.

I don't well.

It probably, I mean, I, I have

heard that they gather there and

get picked up by employers.

Yeah.

I imagine somebody works on

Saturday.

You're kind of tiptoeing this on

egg shells.

That's nice.

What?

I.

Mean I'm not I'm not the races

in the show anymore.

I'm really enjoying this.

What was the increase in Lowe's

stock after this?

Was there a lot of people

shopping there?

A lot of immigrants?

I.

Don't know.

Let me look that up while we're

doing the show.

Isn't that his show?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Why are you asking us?

You're asking us.

You're supposed to be.

The ginger was there, a increase

in low.

He left.

I just went to a black screen

for.

Him get the cruise ship thing

and then it went black screen.

He should have been.

I hit the wrong 1 he.

Should have been miked up

yesterday.

President Donald Trump said on

Saturday there would be serious

consequence.

Oh, never mind.

I went to the next story.

It's also Donald Trump's story.

Yeah, so, so there was.

So I was just watching the news

upstairs while you guys were

doing your stuff.

And it's now not just in LA, OK,

it has now gone to Atlanta as

well.

That's a big jump.

Wow.

That's a big jump there, isn't

it?

Yeah, that's too.

That's coast to coast.

Unless you think they're close

together.

That's exactly what the title

read Coast to Coast.

He thinks they're close

together.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Next door in Atlanta.

Yeah.

No, but it's just, it's just

spreading.

Now spilled over, so there's

pushback.

In Atlanta now.

Is it the same reason because

they went to Home Depot and

gathered up, I don't know,

illegally?

But but what will happen, right?

If it doesn't get controlled

then Trump will release National

Guard over there as well.

More National Guards.

More.

Well, he's got the blank check

now.

As many as I need.

I think he ordered.

He's always had the blank check.

Yeah, I thought we established.

Earlier, he released a

memorandum that said I can do

this now.

Oh yeah, I am the captain now.

I am the captain now.

Exactly.

OK 'cause normally the President

does not have access to the

National Guard.

So are they peacefully

protesting or are they rioting?

They're.

Rioting, seeing the burning cars

and everything.

Seeing the burning.

Stuff.

No, I'm talking about they're.

Not a Burning Man out in the

desert.

I'm not talking about

California, I'm talking about

Atlanta.

I don't know.

This is new.

The new Atlanta, this is new.

This is new.

All I saw was people outside

with pickets.

That's it.

With pickets, so I just.

Walk around with signs.

Peaceful protests.

No more.

No more immigration.

No.

Are they for or against?

They're against.

They're against immigration.

No, no, like they're like they.

They're support.

Against the government, they're

for the immigrants.

Do they have I'm an American

shirts on?

No, I, you know, it's kind of

crazy.

I would think everybody would

wear like something like that.

I like that none of it makes any

sense at all, whatsoever, ever.

It doesn't.

We write for any apparent

reason.

Well, it's, you know, it's.

No more Ford.

It's a lot of it like right,

it's very it's pro regulation is

upset about regulation of of of

the regulatory regulation of

illegal immigrants.

Exactly.

Like I don't understand that

This is why people and then and

then I also don't understand on

the other side of it, where

organizations are anti

regulation and then all of a

sudden like regulations is

swooped in from their parties

and they're like, that's so

perfectly fine too.

How is that OK if you're not if

you're not pro regulation but it

now?

No idea what you just said.

Yeah, I'm fucking lost.

Didn't take much.

Well, it was a lot of.

Pro and regulation and non pro

and.

Well, that's the reality though.

The reality?

Is why are people mad that he's

enforcing laws that everybody

knows we have?

Right, that that's kind of what

I'm that's one of the part of

what I'm saying.

And then what's?

Right, it makes no, it makes no

sense.

And what's a lot of people are

ignorant to the laws anyways?

Well, what's really kind of

remarkable is that there are

people that are pro law and

there are people that are pro

less law.

And right now that situation is

completely flipped, completely

flipped those.

That's what I'm saying.

That's my.

Point.

I mean, how did we get to this

point?

How did we get to this point?

I mean what they all snuck in.

CNBCCNNI don't know MSNBC.

I blame ABC News for all of us.

How it came about, it's just it

was never regulated.

I mean, ICE was around and ICE

was, you know, grabbing

immigrants that shouldn't have

been there.

But it's only usually like if

they committed a crime or in

jail and then they would get

deported.

I've seen in the movies they go

to the the places where they

make all the dresses and stuff

and they usually.

Find them.

We're going to get a long

diatribe from individuals as one

in particular.

I know it'll tell us how wrong

and stupid we are with our

perspective, but but but here's

what I'm going to tell you.

It's a fine line of compassion

and a regulation, right?

Right.

And what happens is laws can

sway tremendously on either

side, right?

Are you good with keeping me up?

Yes, go ahead please.

I mean, he's not on me.

Will you not bring attention to

the fact that I yawned?

No, I'm, I'm going to bring it

up.

Yeah.

So what happens is when you're

overly compassionate, you

deregulate too much, right?

And when you deregulate too

much, you don't enforce laws of

people being illegally in in

your country.

And then when that becomes a

problem, the pendulum swings the

other direction.

And then you have over

regulation, right?

And then over regulation causes

upheaval.

And then things have to go back

to the other way.

So like somewhere in the middle

is where we need to be.

It's just a hard ground to get

to.

However, where that line is,

it's hard to determine because

everybody's perspective is

different.

Well, they're not making new

laws, they're just enforcing the

ones that burn there.

Well, but they have.

They haven't enforced those laws

in a long time.

Yeah, people are, like I said,

ignorant to it because it just

hasn't been enforced.

Well, not only that, but like

that has been the way it's not.

And that's not just the way of

our country, That's been the way

for Western society, United

Kingdom, a lot of countries in

Europe.

For the past 5-6 years, right?

And because of that, you're

seeing this tremendous change in

culture in a lot of these

countries.

As it good, as it bad, I don't

know.

I'm not here to tell you that

that's not my job.

I'm just a talking head like you

are.

Let's smoke cigars, right?

What I can tell you is that when

you affect your people and your

people are not comfortable,

you're going to have pushback.

And then normally with that

pushback, that pushback is too

far.

It exceeds where it's supposed

to go.

And then you bring back and you

find yourself in the middle

somewhere, right?

Like should a person that came

in here illegally 15 years ago

hasn't had any issues with crime

be pushed out of the country?

By the laws, yes.

That's a question, right?

And as far as the laws are

concerned, the answer is yes,

right?

And I think a lot of people

would agree with, well, yes, But

if it directly effects you, and

that's a person that's been in

your life for the past 15 years

and they're a sweet person, they

do all the good things, you're

probably going to stand up and

fight for that person.

Right.

Yeah, because emotionally

you're.

Like emotionally you're

connected like you just said,

right?

So are you wrong for defending a

person that you love and you

care about?

I don't think that you're wrong.

Are they wrong for breaking the

law?

Yes.

Like is there, is there a

midpoint?

I don't know, Like this is one

of those things where it's

people are going to be upset one

way or the other.

And I mean, correct me if I'm

wrong, but if you're an

immigrant.

I will happily collect correct

you if you're.

Wrong.

No problem.

If you're an immigrant in this

country and you go to do the,

the the test and become an

American citizen, it's not like

if you go to do the test, they

go, hey, you're illegal.

You got to leave until you get

the test.

You know, go through a little

test.

Like I'm pretty sure.

I mean, I have a buddy who did

that.

You have a buddy.

And he just did it recently.

Yeah, he used to own a pizza

shop in Deltona, and he just did

it recently.

He was here for 22 years

illegally from Italy and then he

went and took the test while he

was he, he was, he sold his

pizza shop when to go take the

test to get his citizenship and

pass it after I think it took

him almost a year to get

everything, all the paperwork

and test and da da da, and then

became an American citizen.

It's not.

They didn't ship him back to

Italy while he was trying to do

that process, right?

So you can come in illegally, be

here for a while and then go, I

would like to be legal now and

they they just go wait in line,

fill out the paperwork.

I don't know.

Maybe, you know, maybe there's

some kind of penalty, some kind

of, you know, fines or what.

I don't.

I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't know how it works

either, but it seems odd that

you can just, you know, I've

been here for 20 years and now,

you know what, I think now is

the time because I hear

everybody gonna start kicking us

out soon.

So I mean.

America's not against immigrants

coming in.

No, but there's built on

immigrants.

There's a legal way to do it

though.

Right.

So I think if as long as they're

just going through the process

of doing, you know, gaining

citizenship, I don't think the

country like, like you're

asking, I don't think America's

just going to go, hey, see you

later, you know, come back when

you pass a test.

Don't know.

Don't know how it works.

Why did we get rid of Ellis

Island?

What was wrong with that?

It's still there.

It's.

Still there, but it's no longer

a processing thing.

Well, it's down in California

now.

Oh, it's.

Down in Cali.

Yeah, and that place is a shit

show right now.

My father came through Ellis

Island.

Yeah, yeah.

My father came through Ellis

Island.

Yeah, my grandfather.

You know, they dealt with all

the bullshit that existed then.

He did it.

He did it the legal way though.

Yeah, he came in, he got his

hand stamped and whatever they

got to do.

But it was like a prideful thing

at that time frame, right?

Yeah.

Like, it's.

You go to Ellis Island, you sign

the book, you do all the

paperwork.

You bring your name over.

If you want to bring your name

over, you change it a little

bit.

You know I.

Don't know how prideful it was

to be honest.

Yeah.

I mean, did you, did you see

what the, the, the Yellowstone

version of the night that he

went?

Yeah.

I mean, that was horrific what

she went through.

A little intense.

Yeah, that was real.

I'm willing to bet that some of

that shit went down.

Oh, I'm sure.

You know, but.

I don't think it was like, I'm

here.

This is all.

Hey, would you like, come on in,

Come on in.

Would you like a sandwich?

Why we, you know, stick our

finger up inside of you.

Here's a sticker.

Right here's a sticker.

Here's your $20 and your

American flag.

Please proceed.

That's your lollipop.

I love New York T-shirt, don't

forget that.

Yeah, I love, I love American

T-shirt.

Wear this No matter what

happens.

If you go to a rider, wear I Am

American on your shirt save It's

all trouble.

Later or you can buy the BDP for

the July.

Buy the BDP for the July shirt

if either one shows you're an

American.

If you care if you're wearing a

BDP for the July shirt, you got

to be an American.

You got to be an American.

Without question, I would have,

you know, instantly assumed

that.

And smoke one of these pork

tendon ones while you're doing

it.

Yeah, and then you wouldn't be

an Israeli Muslim.

Right from Detroit.

They'll never know.

Oh.

God, are we moving on?

I think, I think, I think we've

beaten this one to to death.

Yeah, President Donald Trump on

Saturday said there would be

serious consequences if tech

mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic

candidates to run against

Republicans who vote in favor of

the GOP sweeping budget bill.

Mom and dad are fighting.

Mom and dad are fighting.

If he does, he'll have to pay

the consequences for that, Trump

told NBC News in a phone

interview, but declined to share

what those consequences would

be.

Right, because there aren't

he's.

Going to get in trouble?

There aren't any.

What do you do to him?

It's trouble.

Just trust me, it's trouble.

There are no consequences with

that.

He'll have to pay very serious

consequences if he does that, he

added.

Right.

He won't get the coconut crunch

cake from.

Him.

That's an empty threat. 100% an

empty threat.

Yeah, you don't get the Tom

Cruise president also.

Said he has no desire to repair

his relationship with Musk after

a feud between the two men

erupted into public view earlier

this week.

No, Trump said, when asked if

they had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought of his

relationship with the Tesla and

SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said.

I would assume so, yeah.

So what do you think of what?

What do you think of this boots?

Didn't we touch on this?

No, it just.

We have not.

Mom and dad started fighting

after our podcast.

The podcast.

I think it's silly.

Which one's mom?

Let me ask you that, Elon.

Or it probably be you think.

Elon.

Yeah, I think Elon would be mom.

You think Elon's mom?

Trump's dad.

Well, Dad's got the power.

Dad's got the power.

Yeah, OK.

I, I think it's silly, man.

Like, look, first of all,

whatever feud that they really

had, because that's not going to

come out.

They could just be their

businessman, you know, they,

they could have just broke up

amicably, you know, whether it

was for business or for a

personal relationship and just

move the fuck on.

Trump doesn't do anything

without some big things.

Without it being a feud.

How can they just, it was we

just all of a sudden see, they

don't talk anymore and we're

going to go wonder why they're

not talking anymore.

Well, I think that's what fueled

it.

That they're not talking

anymore.

Yeah, somebody.

Probably.

I saw a press conference last

week and they looked fine

finishing each other's

sentences.

He's standing behind him like

he's his Big Brother, right?

And he looked fine.

Then two days later, I hate him,

he hates me.

He's he's a Nazi.

It could be a poet.

It could be a smoke show.

I think that's what it is.

That's what I said.

Well, I said that too.

Before you send it, you can ask

Greg.

You said it before, I said.

It I said it to Greg and then

you, you verified my information

when you were saying the same

thing to Graham.

So you guys are just like Trump

and Elon finishing each other's

sentences.

Yeah, look at that.

I think there's something going

on over here.

So they went, hey, look over

here.

Interesting.

Do you think that you're.

Finishing the wall.

Maybe they found aliens.

Maybe.

Do you think that there is value

for Elon to uncouple from the

Republican Party?

No.

I don't know why not.

I don't, Well, I don't know.

I mean, are they all of a sudden

are the Democrats buying his

cars now?

I mean, they did originally.

Trump gave the car back.

He gave it back.

Yeah, his, his special car, he

gave him.

He gave it.

Back he returned it.

Well, there's no refund.

Yeah, sure, he does it Take this

back.

Maybe the battery ran out?

There was some movie stars

buying them now or not buying

them now.

I forget how it went.

Whatever they weren't doing,

they're not doing.

I don't.

I don't really know.

Well, you know what Michael

Jordan is.

Yes, I know who Michael Jordan.

Is Michael Jordan had a really

famous quote?

Do you know what that quote is

about?

Politics.

Show me the money.

No, that was Jerry Maguire, that

was Tom Cruise.

And no, you're not getting the

coconut.

I don't know.

I saw his airplane this morning.

He's been jilling the money.

He's got the he.

Just got it painted.

It's Michael Jordan or Tom

Cruise.

Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan's plane, Yeah.

Why are you seeing?

Where are you standing at

Michael Jordan's plane?

It was on the news.

He just had it painted.

He.

Just had it painted.

Painted.

Yeah, it.

Was probably some type.

Of $500,000 paint job on his

$7,000,000 plane.

Really.

Seemed a little inexpensive.

It probably was for him because

I mean he makes that within like

10 minutes.

Right, exactly.

We got to make cutbacks. 10% of

everything with the stupid

jumping guy on it.

Well, back in the day.

Jordan.

Back in the day, Jordan was was

trying to, they were pushing him

into joining the Democratic

Party and he would never, ever

endorse or back anybody in the

Democratic Party.

And when he when they were

asked, when he asked, when

people asked him about it, he

responded with, well,

Republicans buy shoes too.

Right.

So at the end of the day, if

you're in a business and you're

selling cars, why would you want

to split your consumer down the

line, right, to solely

Republicans?

I mean, if anything, it really

kind of hurt him because

realistically, blue Democrats

were probably his bigger

customer.

Yeah, because their energy.

Oh yeah, they're for the longest

period of time, right.

And then they flipped on him

when he endorsed Trump.

So then Republicans were

probably his supporting party

with supporting cast.

And, you know, it seems like

it's just kind of a mixed bag.

But why not just stay the fuck

out of it?

And you know.

Could be it is kind of

coincidence that the minute he

steps down from Doge they get in

a big fight and now they're not.

Yeah, you can't.

You can't tell me that two

people that own their own social

media platform don't understand

the concept of an emotional

lashing out is the the wrong

thing to do.

Yeah, well, Trump has a history

of doing that all the time.

Well, no.

Trump has history of theatrics

and Elon, I think has been is

part of those theatrics as well.

I think that that's what both of

these guys have done at this

point.

Yeah.

I mean, you call it a smoke

show.

They're good businessman.

They turn around, they say, hey,

we're going to do these things.

You know, I'm going to go after

you.

You can go after me and we're

going to kind of part ways and,

you know, you still have my

support quietly, whatever I can

do to help or whatever,

whatever, yadda, yadda, you

know?

You can still come over for

poker on Thursdays and.

Sounds exactly like the mafia.

Because throwing out an empty

threat of there's going to be

consequences if you endorse the

Democrat is you.

We all know that that's not

true, right?

Right.

Yeah, right.

So.

Well, he he has been hinting

that he's going to take away his

government contracts, which

would financially.

Well, he was pulling back the

the EV bill or whatever.

Anyways, the endorsement, Elon

was aware of that and Elon said

that he was done with the dragon

rocket or whatever.

Oh, did he?

I didn't know that.

Yeah, he said.

I it's, it's cool.

I'm done with it.

I I saw something that I guess

Elon supposedly uncovered some

more stuff off the Epstein list

and Trump was on it or whatever.

Well, I heard that that's been a

threat.

Well, he made that tweet and

that tweet's been removed ever

since.

But it's but Elon was never part

of the Epstein files.

No, no, he's saying Trump was.

OK, but, but what I'm saying is

that Elon was never granted,

hey, you're in charge of the

FBI.

Oh.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, he's part of the

Department of Government

efficiency or whatever he was

doing to some degree, but he was

never involved in the other

aspect of that, so I don't see

how he would have access to that

information.

You don't think he could find a

way to get the list?

No.

Oh.

I think he could.

I think he's well enough

connected up there now.

I.

Don't know, I'm pretty sure that

list is probably very well

protected.

OK, so listen if.

There is even a list.

Look, if there's definitely a

list, but if you want to go

down, if you want to go down

this rabbit hole, if you want

to, I'll entertain this with

you.

Who's in charge of the FBI?

Patel or God, I don't know what

his name is, Pettish.

Mohammed.

He, I mean, he could.

You're pretty close actually.

Yeah.

Oh God, he's bald headed.

Yeah.

OK.

Definitely owns some oil.

What's definitely owns some oil

That's not that's not it.

No, he.

Doesn't own oil.

OK, I I can picture the guy's

face.

I don't know.

Can't.

Believe he just said that he

owns oil.

I know I.

Don't think he's in charge of

the FBI.

You don't think Trump is in the

list?

OK, so wait a second.

He's trying to set this up here.

So the guy's name's Kash Patel.

OK, that's what it is all.

Right.

He's in charge of the FBI.

OK, All right.

And he's handling the operation

of the Epstein list, allegedly,

right?

So is it possible that Trump has

seen the list?

Sure.

He's the president of the United

States of America.

Of course he has.

So he's sitting around with Elon

one night and he goes, hey, you

want to see the list?

I got the list.

He definitely did that.

Sure he did.

Yeah, not showing off they.

Were eating pizza in New York

City.

Right.

You want to put your hand inside

the football?

Come on, come on.

Put your hand inside the

football.

Yeah, come here.

Just don't touch the button.

Don't touch the button anyway.

But you want to hold it.

You want to hold the football.

Hey, you want to know who killed

JFK?

Yeah, which is I push his

button, I get a Diet Coke, you

push it if you get a diet.

Coke OK, so hold on, let me so

let me let me reverse engineer

this for you.

Guy makes an accusation on

Twitter saying that Trump is on

this Epstein list, right?

You're going to tell me that the

that the president of the United

States, who's on that list,

shared that list?

Well, I don't.

Hey, he will check this out.

I he probably fuck, I gave him

the wrong list.

You're.

Not going to believe this.

Hey, secrets don't make friends.

He gave him the wrong copy.

So no, I don't believe it.

Wait, did you give him the list

I'm on?

You're fired.

Yeah, that's how you're out of

here.

That's it.

Now we got to say, well now he

has to send angry tweets to each

other so so we can.

I got to call you Nazi just so

you.

Know so we can uncouple.

Who almost kicked the camera?

So no, I don't believe that for

a second.

I don't.

Believe you?

Don't.

You don't think he showed him?

What was that?

The secret book that has all the

secret.

You want to know who killed JFK?

Come here.

Check this out.

Come here.

I'll tell you.

Look right.

Here it is.

No, I don't believe that.

You know, I think you want to

sit at my desk.

Come on.

Come on.

Sit at the desk.

Go ahead.

Have a seat.

Sit down.

Look.

In this drawer.

This is what Bill left me.

What Bill left?

I don't.

I couldn't see that either.

Don't touch that.

It's that blue dress.

You could see him saying, hey,

why don't you sit in my desk?

Sure.

No way.

If I was a president.

All my friends sit at the.

Desk If I was a president and

you came in, first thing I'm

doing is go.

You want to sit down here?

You want to sit.

At the desk.

For one day, I'll let you be the

president.

Jax, Jax, come here.

Sit at the desk.

Sit at.

The desk descending having a kid

sit in the desk chair is totally

different.

Having a grown ass man sit in

the you want to be.

Sure you want to sit in the

chair that the most powerful man

in the world sits in.

Yes.

Have a seat.

I couldn't see that happen.

I couldn't see.

Trump, Terry, bring the camera.

Take Mikey's picture.

He's my friend.

I couldn't see Trump doing that.

Sure.

Why?

Not well.

Maybe that's why they broke up.

Because he's Trump.

He's like this, you know, he

believes he's this powerhouse of

a person like, you know, you.

Didn't see the interview.

The who's the guy that runs the

MMA?

Dana White.

Dana White.

There's an interview Dana White

does about Trump where Trump's

calling him on the phone after

fights, before fights, just

goofing on the phone with him

about how good the fight was and

fight, you know, oh, I'm going

to come in, we're going to have

lunch together then and then

we'll go to the fight.

And then he calls him the next

morning.

Oh, that was a really good

fight.

He's so much here.

So he's a yeah.

You want to send much here?

So he's a human being.

Yeah, I get that.

Well, that's the other part's a

human being too.

I think that he'd say, you know

what?

You want to sit in the chair,

you want to sit in the chair.

I think you.

Want to sit in the chair I.

Feel like that's the only

bargaining tool he's got at this

point.

So I think that's, yeah.

What else?

He's going to, yeah.

You get to sit in the chair and

you get to hit the Diet Coke

button and.

Yeah.

You think the only bargaining

tool Trump has is you can sit in

the Oval Office?

It's.

Not a bargaining tool.

He just called it a bargaining

tool.

It's a he did well, he's an

idiot, we all know.

That Do you think Trump has a

McDonald's like Richie Rich?

In the White House.

In the White House, I think he

can get McDonald's stuff.

I don't think there's an actual

golden arches in it.

Well then he's not as powerful

as Richie Rich.

Macaulay Golden is way more

powerful.

Richie Rich is fake.

Just.

OK, yeah, it's not a real.

Person it was.

It was documented.

You guys are out of your minds.

No, I want Weird.

I think you're being a little

naive.

That kind of stuff probably

happens all the time I want.

To sit.

Hey, you're a grown ass man.

I'm a grown ass man.

You want to sit in the chair?

How about?

This I am the president of the

mother loving United States, the

most powerful man in the world.

This is where I sit and work.

Would you like to sit?

You want to sit in the chair?

Or even better, you.

Want to sit in my lap?

Ride in my car.

No, not sit in the lap.

And let them shoot bullets at

it.

It's bulletproof that.

Would be that's too way better.

I can't wait till Boots is

president.

Oh my God.

OK.

Watch this.

I push this button.

Check this out.

Check this out.

Watch.

Kim Jong UN's going to call me

right now.

Watch.

You want a phony phone call Kim

Jong Un?

Hey, let's call Rodman.

He's going to be on a three-way.

All right, let's go.

Moving on.

Yeah, hello, I'd like to order

some Korean food.

Next story.

Next story Next.

Story.

Hello.

Is this you again, Mr. Trump?

Oh, no, it's not.

No, no, it's not me.

Damn you, Donald.

Damn you, Donald.

You.

Oh again?

I told you no more.

I sent bomb.

Okay, bye rub you.

Trump said he has no plans to

speak with Musk anytime soon.

After he sat in my chair, I have

no intention of speaking to him

again.

He farted in my chair.

Oh man.

That's what it was, maybe.

That would be definitely the.

Something simple.

Also accused most of being

disrespectful to the office of

the president.

I think it's a very bad thing

because he's very disrespectful.

How can that be something?

I mean, he stood behind him for

an hour and a half while Trump

said how great he was.

Yeah, I'm not buying all this

shit.

It just doesn't make sense to

me.

It's just.

After that day, he became

disrespectful.

Look, it just seems very WWE

esque to me.

It's, you know, oh.

It may as well be talking to

Dana White.

There's some type of cage match

going on or something back,

baby.

You know, like, Elon's doing an

interview and then all of a

sudden you hear, like, fucking

John Cena's theme music hit.

Yeah.

And then, and then all of a

sudden, Trump runs in with a

fucking chair.

Damn I missed that they didn't

get the camera on who fast

enough.

Do it again.

Do it again.

Can't see.

Me, can't see me, can't see me.

I need that for later.

You know, he got that from his

brother.

Oh yeah, his autistic brother or

something.

Used to do that all the time.

Really.

Something like that.

Interesting.

In the days leading up to the

Republic, I like John Cena.

He's done the most make a wish

things of anybody else in the

world and.

He would let you sit in the

chair.

He would let you sit in his

chair, I.

Don't know what Trump would.

I that many would you think

Trump lets his son sit in the

chair?

Of course.

Could be his one too.

Sit down, this could be yours.

One, I think that he would let a

kid sit in the chair.

I don't think that he would let

a grown ass man Oh, can I sit in

the chair?

Fuck you.

Something looks like a grown ass

man.

Well, I wouldn't ask, but if he

asked me, I'd go, yeah.

Yeah, I don't think that he was

a sit in here.

I sit in your chair upstairs

when you're not.

Here, go ahead, I don't care.

I'm the totally the.

Most powerful seat in this

building, Michael.

I'm a totally different being.

If you were president, would you

let me sit in the chair?

Sure.

Then what's the difference?

Yeah, what's?

Yeah.

I'm not Donald Trump.

Well, yeah.

So what difference does that

make?

You would be Donald Trump if you

were president of United.

States no, I wouldn't be.

He's a totally different person

than I am.

OK, you are all of a sudden

Donald Trump.

Do you let me sit in the chair?

No.

That's me.

Bo, do you let me sit in the

chair?

Yes.

There you go.

Immediately Boots, but they're

spinning in the chairs.

I got 3 chairs.

John Cena's brother with Down

syndrome.

It's actually Boots.

Can't see me.

Can't.

See me?

OK, next time.

I'm trying to.

Can't even see right now.

TSL tells Yeah, I get to see him

laugh.

It's hard.

TSL.

Yeah, TSLTSL.

Costco.

Card T.

SLTSA tells Americans their

Costco cards won't fly at

airport security, despite love

for hot dogs.

OK.

Wow, somebody flashed the Costco

card.

The Real ID, Oh, not just one.

The Real ID requirement took

effect May 7th.

Amid some confusion, the

Transportation Security

Administration clarified this

week that a Costco membership

card is not sufficient to

present at airport security.

I like this got out of hand at

some point.

People are showing this OK, we

love hot dogs and rotisserie

chicken as much as the next

person, but please stop telling

people their Costco card counts

as a Real ID because it

absolutely does not, the TSA

wrote on Facebook Wednesday.

Sounds like bullshit.

It's a national story, More than

one source.

But listen, being a Costco

member is quite the privilege,

and I think that it should

qualify.

Just like sitting in the chair.

Yeah, but anybody can get a

card.

It doesn't mean you're an

American.

But you're a member.

So you get the hot dogs and the

chicken?

Yeah.

Illegally.

Yeah, the chicken's supposed to

be very bad for you.

Is it?

Yes.

Who told you that?

I saw a video and TikTok.

So it must be real.

That must be factual, must be

real.

With chicken the like.

The the rotisserie chicken, they

sell millions of pounds of it a

day, but it's not good for you.

It's full of salt and other

stuff.

The reminder comes less than a

month after the US began

requiring a Real ID driver's

license when flying domestically

May 7th.

Yeah, because the Big Mac is

fucking way healthier for you.

Right.

I didn't say that was either.

Yeah, but that's what's.

Your problem over there, Trump.

What's that?

So what's your problem over

there, Trump?

You can't sit in my chair,

number one.

You can't sit in my chair and #2

all I'm saying, you know when

you.

You think when he leaves the

room, people sit in the chair?

Yes, of course, Elon definitely

did it.

That's.

Probably what happened.

Definitely did.

Elon made his own chair.

It flies.

Oh, it hovers.

Like George Jetson style,

here's.

What he did, he said.

I'll tell you what, you let me

sit in your chair.

I'll let you sit in my rocket.

Yeah, seem fair.

That's a fair trip.

And Donald said no deal.

The dragon rocket, he said.

I'm going to buy a rocket and

sit down to myself.

He said I am the rocket.

Well, he could go to he could go

to NASA and sit in any rocket he

wants.

But they're not the dragon ones.

That's true.

Well, it's always named one.

The dragon.

He can do that too if he wants,

I guess.

King.

Dragon.

Copyright Aside from REAL IDs,

which have enhanced federal

standards, domestic Flyers can

also use their passports or

other federally approved forms

of identification, like Defense

Department issued IDs, but not a

Costco card.

Department of Defense IDs for

active and retired military

continue to be acceptable form

of ID at TSA checkpoints

following the implementation of

the Real ID last month, TSA

wrote on Facebook Thursday.

How do you think this happened?

I think it became a problem

people were using trying to use

their Costco.

Card how did we get there like

how did they think that that

would be OK well.

There's probably definitely a

TikTok.

They didn't have they didn't

have the real ID and they're

going, well, why don't you got,

you know, with the picture on it

And somebody goes, I got a

Costco card and three Baggies

bag goes, oh, did you hear that

Costco card?

You're OK, you can use those.

Just like that.

Yeah, somebody tried to use it

and then it became a problem.

You know, if one person is,

there's hundreds of them trying

to.

You think somebody posted on

social media said this is how

you get.

Oh, I'm sure somewhere somebody

did.

Yeah, is.

That what you think boots?

Yeah, I definitely.

I saw I saw on TikTok I could

use my Costco card.

Nobody thought and somebody went

supervisor because I mean the

regular guy, he doesn't know.

Maybe it's.

OK, he's got this Costco card.

It's got his picture on it.

It says he is him.

So what do I do?

I'd like to see how he presented

it.

Did he present it with his thumb

over the word Costco?

Well, they take the card from

you.

Oh.

Do you think it scans?

Do you think I scanned it in?

Definitely find that one out.

Well they hit it with the light

to see if it's got the

holograms.

Does Costco cards have a

holograms?

No.

Or they.

So how would they confirm that

they're at least a valid member,

right?

Maybe it's expired?

Maybe they have to call it

Costco.

OK.

Maybe.

This is ridiculous.

But it is.

But it was hilarious.

I thought that was funny.

And it'll make a good short.

Maybe.

Alright boots, trending topic.

Oh.

Stage right laugh here.

Hello peoples.

Slaps his lips.

Salamander outbreak linked to

eggs sickens dozens of people

across 7 states More than 70

people across 7 states have been

sickened due to a salamander

outbreak linked to eggs recalled

by a california-based egg

distributor, according to the US

Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention.

On Friday, the August egg

company recalled 1.7 million

dozen brown cage free and brown

certified organic eggs sold

under multiple brand names that

have the potential to be

contaminated, according to

recall notice from the US Food

and Drug Administration.

Of the 79 people sick and 21

people have been hospitalized

and no deaths have been

reported, the CDC said.

The eggs were sold to

restaurants and retailers in

Arizona, California, Illinois,

Indiana, Nebraska, New Mexico,

Nevada, Washington, Wyoming,

according to the CDC.

They were distributed at retail

locations including Walmart,

Save Mart, Food Max, Lucky

Smart, and finally, Safeway

Rallies Food, Food for Less and

Ralph's.

Man, Ralph's got some great

exposure there.

That's it.

That's it.

Neither one of you noticed, he

said.

Salamander.

It's salmonella.

Oh, he said.

Salamander.

Salamander is a lizard, yes.

Is this Salam?

I know what it says, I wrote the

copy but I mean he didn't even

catch it, just blew right past

you too.

Because I would think my friend

who who I would lit in the chair

would write salmonella, not

salamander.

Salmonella is not funny.

They thought you.

Said.

Salamander would have been funny

if Mikey would have started

giggling and go.

You got to let me.

You got to let me know about

these things.

This is what happened.

It's more.

Funny if you think he did it on

purpose, not that I threw it in.

See, he's Elon.

That's what's going.

On right now.

You're Elon.

You're Trump.

I'm Trump.

And what and what just happened?

Or I could be Trump, whichever.

And what just happened is no,

you're letting.

Your.

Chair thing and made us angry.

There you go.

Now I got to send out a vicious

tweet about you.

Yep.

You're out of here.

You're out of here.

You're out of here.

All right, now it's time for

Mikey's social media moment.

What do you got there, Mikey?

I don't have any social media

moments this week.

Oh God, I didn't see anything.

Nothing really happened.

No dolls were set on fire.

I looked.

Did.

You get a doll.

How about Terrence Riley's

casting couch in his hotel?

Room.

Oh, that is a decent one.

You got a casting couch?

What type of casting?

Girl, so Terrence Riley was out

traveling the world and he

posted about this red plastic

couch.

Red plastic or leather or

pleather couch in his hotel

room.

Yes.

He is currently also posting

that he has a handful of resumes

and is doing interviews.

So.

If you put one and two together,

so you get.

Casting couch?

Is that what it is?

That's.

What I'm assuming?

Do you think it's a raining

endorsement?

If you were trying to get a job,

you're in the you're in the

market to to join a tobacco

company.

The head of your organization

has found himself in a hotel

room with a red plastic leather

looking FAW chair.

Would you want to join that

company?

Well, he's also in Pennsylvania,

where we're going to be next

weekend.

Yeah, maybe we can find the same

hotel with the.

This is the chair.

This is the Terrance Riley

couch.

I got to be honest, if we find

ourselves coming across that

hotel room, maybe.

You're not sleeping there.

We won't be staying there

always.

What about the requirements for

the job?

Do you see those?

I did.

You have to be working for

someone else.

Yeah, must be in the industry.

Must be in the industry for a

minimum of three years.

Yeah, well, that way we can take

you away.

Take you away from someone else.

Maybe there's some people in LA

that want to get out.

Maybe, yeah, but they're

illegal.

So what are you going to do

there?

Well.

Maybe you can find them at Home

Depot.

Just give them the shirt.

Maybe you could drive around

Home Depot at a early on a

Monday morning and see who's

there.

Yeah.

So I don't know man, not really

reigning into.

I wouldn't want to work for a

company that.

The head guy, that is the level,

yeah, that they must sleep at.

This is where you So wait,

you're in charge and.

You're the head guy.

And this is.

And this is it.

And this is your room.

Your per diem covers this.

So what does my room look like?

Well, you don't get the couch.

Like room?

No, the answer is room.

You know, you be so tall,

there's no way you can sleep on

that you.

Don't have a pillow in your car

when you travel as a sales Rep.

Well, that's why they want

someone who's already been

doing.

It we need somebody dedicated.

Right.

And we'll.

Only semi loyal, motivated.

We're going to take you away

from another company.

Life on the semi loyal.

Light on the loyalty.

Light on the loyalty, willing to

cut ties at any moment.

That's a good that was.

That's a good social media one.

I forgot about that.

You're so smart.

See that?

Again, I have to do everything.

You're not only handsome, you're

so smart.

Everything.

Yeah, you got to do everything.

All right, Max Bitchler.

Oh God, Max.

Yeah.

Bitchler, BICHLER.

Bitchler.

Bitchler.

Probably bitchler, I'm sure.

He's leaving Rocky Patel.

Oh, so we're getting into scar

news?

Yeah, that we're going to is.

He going to Argonos?

Well, I mean, you know, unless

you want me to come up with

something else that maybe you

should have brought.

I don't know.

OK.

We were leaked this information

and we sort of poo pooed out of

it.

Now it's come out nationally.

Yes, we did kind of poo poo on

it, yeah.

We did, yeah, whatever.

And like, who is this guy?

We're just kind of he looks like

Spider Man, like Q1 is over as

far as all the transitions,

right, right.

We're officially summer is

almost upon us.

It I mean, summer is definitely

here as far.

As far it's definitely here.

He's announced that he will be

leaving his role as a National

Sales Manager for Rocky Patel

Premium Cigars.

I just want you to know Matt,

Matt Bitchler, Mr. Bitchler, Mr.

Bitchler, Mr. Bitchler, you're

no longer allowed at the weekly

meetings either.

His last day will be Friday,

June 13th.

Bitchler spent nearly 2 decades

at the company in a variety of

roles, climbing the ladder from

local sales Rep to his current

position, which saw him as a

hybrid sales and executive role.

Hybrid.

Are we keeping you awake over

there?

You're typing yawn.

Did you get his yawn on the

camera?

I'm sure he.

Did not.

He did not.

He did.

Not Bitchler told Cigar Store

Podcast that he has no plans

yet, but plans to take time off

and work in his golf game.

During his time at Rocky Patel,

Bitchler became the only cigar

Rep to ever appear on The

Amazing Race.

Yeah.

Just weeks after getting

married, he and his wife Kate

entered the show and finished

second during season 22.

Recently, Bitchler was elected

as an associate board member on

the pre of the Premium Cigar

Association.

Is that why he's leaving?

Maybe he's going to go after

Stevie career.

Well, there's, there's a rumor

going around that there's been a

huge restructuring of Rocky

Patel and a lot of people have

kind of parted ways.

Oh.

Yeah, they have hired a bunch of

new people lately.

Yeah, the, the Belky lady.

Yeah.

And there's been one guy was

going to quit and then came

back.

I forget his name.

OK, very.

I know there's such good news.

I know somebody quit.

I don't know his name.

And then he came back.

So do you think that as you like

to call him Bitchler, Mr. Do you

think that Mister Bitchler?

Is bitch too much and they asked

him to leave.

Do you think that Mister

Bitchler is going to be out of

the industry completely or is

he?

Nobody's ever out of the

industry, you know, they're

hiring over Diagonosa.

How do?

You feel about red leather

couches do.

You think he's going to?

Well, you think he's going to

replace national sales manager

Material at Agonorsa?

No.

They're just looking for a

regional guy at Agonorsa.

Yeah.

So why would he step down to

regional?

He wants to go back to his

roots, where he started.

Yeah.

Now he wants to work his way up

again.

He.

Wants to do it all over again.

It's.

Good for his TV career.

That way he has time to do more

TV shows.

Another amazing race too.

Or don't they do like an amazing

race, winners and losers or

something?

I mean.

I have no idea.

I've never the show on the

island.

I I, I watched it early, early

early into.

The show on the island Survivor.

Survivor, thank you.

Survivor does all these special

shows with past winners and

losers.

You know, the people nobody

likes are the winners.

Oh, the winners and losers.

Maybe they do one amazing race.

These people came in second.

Yes.

Can you believe the fact that

that was mentioned in the as far

as notoriety for this?

Guy, that's his biggest thing.

What do you want?

I was on The Amazing Race.

And it came in second, yeah, or

first loser, whichever we look

at it.

It's like, you know?

It's definitely first loser.

It's not second.

Like I was in a Pepsi commercial

and I don't understand like what

is?

Were you in a Pepsi commercial?

But I get excited there for.

A minute should that I was going

to go find that if I was at a

Pepsi commercial, should that

follow me around forever?

Yes.

Well, Pepsi commercials, 30

seconds.

He did a whole season of ATV.

Mike Chevon Kevitch, formerly

Pasania, did series of Pepsi

commercial.

Yes, you could say that.

You could say that you can put

it in your bio.

I don't know, I.

Think it's completely

acceptable.

It seems a bit odd.

I don't know.

I mean, I don't care if I had

been a fan of the show.

I was like, Oh my God, there's

Mr. Pitchler.

I mean I'm AI like Pepsi.

You like what?

I like Pepsi.

You like Pepsi?

Oh, good for you.

I like Mountain Dew.

All right, Cigar imports start

2025 down nearly 9%.

How much?

9%.

Where the do we have?

Do we have the source of where

this is from?

It's.

Got half wheel?

It's always half wheel.

Well, the story from halfway,

but that's not who figured out

the percentage.

Yeah, I'm trying to.

Imports and premium cigar

started in 2025 down 8.7%,

according to a report from the

Cigar Association of America,

CAA, an industry trade group.

The CAA says that the US

imported 48 .404 million premium

cigars in January and February,

down more than 4.5 million

cigars during the same period in

2024.

The slow start is neither

surprising nor predictive.

The US cigar industry has been

adjusting to its peak pandemic

imports through though there

have been other years when there

was a noticeable drop in Q1 that

was made-up later in the year.

January's imports are typically

anemic compared to the other

eleven months of the year, often

times less than half of some of

the peak import numbers that

occur in the second-half of the

calendar.

That said, January 2025 was

within 1,000,000 cigars of 2024.

OK.

While there was nearly 4 million

cigars dropped between February

2024 and February 2025, all

three of the major cigar

exporters to the US, Nicaragua,

the Dominican Republic and

Honduras exported fewer cigars

to America, though the Dominican

Republic fared much better than

the other two.

It's because Boots now likes

Dominican cigars.

Yeah, it's because all the opus.

It was down 4.1%, whereas

Nicaragua, which accounts for

more than half of the imports,

dropped 9.3% and Honduras

declined 19.3%.

None of these numbers were

impacted by the Trump

administration tariffs, which

were announced in April.

The CAA creates these reports

using data from the US Census

Bureau, the US Customs Service,

and information from cigar

companies.

What is the Census Bureau had to

do with cigar counts?

No idea.

The trade group's numbers are

not exact because they're

reporting differences.

It estimates how many large

cigars were actually premium

cigars.

The difference between the two

is that there are some machine

made cigars that met the US

definition of a large cigar,

though these cigars would not be

considered premium cigars by

most people.

So to summarize, these numbers

are not accurate.

We aren't even sure where they

come from or how they decide

what is even a cigar.

It says this in the store.

No, I added the last part.

Oh yeah, God.

Because I read the entire thing

and I'm, you know, pulling it

for the show.

And then they go.

We're not even sure what they

consider a cigar.

We can't verify.

Any of we can't verify any of

this information at all.

You know, some are machine made,

some are handmade, some are

premium, some are not premium.

Some are chocolate.

Some are chocolate.

Do you think that manufacturers

and brand owners in Q1 were

anticipating the possibility of

a tariff on their brands into

Q2?

I don't know.

Did Trump call Elon in and go

I'm going to do some tariffs?

Well, he threatened it.

I mean, he was.

He ran on it in his campaign.

Tariffs.

I love tariffs.

I love tariffs.

We're going to do the tariffs.

Word.

I'm sure there was because that

went through a bill, right?

The tariffs, I don't know.

Well, I'm sure there was some

type.

Of executive order or some shit.

I'm sure there was some type of

literature leading up to it.

OK, I mean, he talked about it

forever.

Yeah.

So I'm sure people were

anticipating and maybe

speculated a number.

Yeah, but.

So do you think brand owners or

some manufacturers were

anticipating a tariff in Q2?

You think if they were, they

would have been imported more

cigars?

That's where I'm trying to go,

so just answer the fucking

question.

No, no.

So they weren't anticipating it.

OK.

So no, you don't think anybody

was anticipating?

Yes, I think they were.

Yes.

You think I don't?

Know what answer do you want me

to give?

Did you order the code rib?

I just want you to give.

I just want you to give.

Your the code rib sorry.

I just want you to give your

honest opinion if you feel like

people knew that tariffs were

going to happen, yes or no.

So wait, they're saying that

that's down in Q2, so.

They're saying it was down in

Q1.

They haven't done Q.

Two.

Then you would think they

didn't, unless they're all

idiots.

OK.

So if some of them, but if some

of them had anticipated that,

you would expect that number to

be.

Up to something, right?

That's what I'm saying.

OK.

So if if some of them, let's say

that some of them knew because I

would assume that some of them

would have assumed a tariff.

Somebody you would think

somewhere.

Tariffs are going to go up,

right?

So that means that those people

would have imported more.

You would think.

But if their numbers were that

bad, my argument here is maybe

the floor that you're seeing of

how down it is of 9 1/2 percent

is actually far worse than what

it is.

Like it should be maybe down 15

or 20%.

Oh, OK.

So you you're saying they

brought in more, but it's so

that it would be down.

If they brought in the regular

amount it would even be worse.

I think that those I'm, what I'm

trying to explain, even though

that you've cut me off 3 fucking

times at this point, is that

there's a high possibility that

people were anticipating these

tariffs and that they still put

more product into the United

States for cigars.

And that number is still

drastically down is what I'm

trying to tell you is my theory

and my perspective.

Would that make any sense to you

at all?

Yes.

Well, thanks.

I'm so glad I could get there.

So glad.

Thank you so much.

Perfect.

OK.

So, in other news, there will be

no more importation of cigar.

No, man, I think that you, you

know, you're starting to see a a

big pullback in a lot of things.

The real question is, is it

really going to affect the

economy?

I don't think that's going to

affect the economy tremendously.

But I do think that, you know, a

lot of these products there,

there's been too much of them.

There's been too much of them

for the past five years.

And a lot of it needs to have

some pullback and you're

witnessing that in the Q1Q2 of

this year for sure.

Right, the balloon is deflating.

Yes.

Go on, sure.

So then to announce the cigars

or podcast report for the first

half in 2025?

Cigar reports are fine, everyone

is smoking postagna, cigars are

being smoked the most, and

Luciano's still scamming people.

As always, don't look at him in

the ice.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

Don't look at him in the.

Ice that's not alleged, don't

look at him in the ice.

Oh boy, it's been 3 quiet weeks,

you haven't said anything.

I know I did throw something in

somewhere on this week's episode

of We've Got Tariffs.

We have what seems to be the

biggest tariff announcement as

well as a company that has magic

pricing.

PDR Cigars edge tariff related

price increase.

Over the weekend, PDR Cigars

began increasing the price of

cigars due to the tariffs that

Trump administration implemented

in April.

The increase has been on the

company's radar since the

tariffs were announced in April.

So, so much of it, so much so

that it told retailers at the

2025 PCA Convention ratio it

would delay the increase until

June 1st so that they would have

time to repair and place orders

ahead of the increase.

So it's a way to pump them hard,

right?

The company is adding the

increase via a line item on its

invoice, with Abe Flores, owner

of PDR Cigars, telling Half

Wheel that he plans to remove it

if the tariff is ended.

OK.

Oh, so he separated it.

When tariff, when Trump removes,

we will stop adding it, Flores

said, adding that I hope that

this will go away.

So the fact that I have, or

let's say we bought it a high

tariff and then the next guy can

buy it cheaper because we got

tariff pricing.

So, yeah, right.

So you think that the tariff is

actually going to go away?

No, Abe Flores says.

If it goes away, OK, But do I

think it's going to go away?

Yeah, I'm not sure.

We're coming up on a deadline

where we could go up to 19%.

I I don't know about the talks

in the back rooms and things.

I don't know what's been agreed

upon or what's going on.

We're not going to know until

that deadline hits.

OK.

Do you think the tariffs go

away?

I I don't think so right now.

I don't think the tariffs are

going.

I don't think they're going

away.

I don't know if they're going to

go up to 19, but they're never,

they're never going away.

No.

I mean, I, I guess it would

probably just whoever's in

office next because that would

be who would change it.

Yeah, but more often than not,

taxes.

Yeah, they're like we kind of

like having that extra money

they.

Don't really go away.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, taxes normally

don't, but.

You know, OK.

Dunbarton Tobacco and Trust

increases prices due to tariffs

On June 4th, Dunbarton Tobacco

and Trust implemented a price

increase on its cigars due to

the tariffs that Trump

administration implemented in

April, according to a Facebook

post by Steve Sacca, founder of

Dunbarton Tobacco and inventor

of cigars.

And burner of dolls.

And burner results the average

increase is 3.82% and though it

was done on a skew by skew

basis, meaning some cigars were

more affected than others, it

would appear this must be the

first tariff related increase

for Dunbarton.

On July 8th.

The 90 day pause on tariff rates

will continue will come to an

end, which could mean the

Nicaraguan tariff goes back up

to 19%, which we talked about.

All of them part in tobacco and

trust cigars are made in

Nicaragua.

If this happens, we will

implement another tariff

increase accordingly.

If the tariff goes away, it will

be quite a sticky wicked as DTT

and our purveyors will have

inventory we both paid at the

tariff amount.

Saka also said that if the

tariff ends, he may keep the

current product pricing but

reduce the annual inflation cost

increase to 2026.

So she's already sort of semi

announced he's doing an increase

next year.

Right.

Are we keeping you?

Your eyes were 3/4 shut when I

looked over that way.

Yeah.

So then he announces a 2026

increase now, just not how much.

So do you think the tariff

increases will replace the the

increase in price on cigars and

like every year, there's always

an.

Increase.

I think that some people have

done that with this and that was

what I was trying to argue

before in the past where people

have lost their minds over my

statements.

You know, I think that they say,

oh, tariffs, they've raised

their price and some people

said, well, it's only 5% because

5% is the calculation of less

than wholesale, which will,

which will affect raise the

price at, you know, whatever,

which doesn't make any sense to

me whatsoever, but whatever.

And more often than not, then

they still have an additional

price increase and all this

other stuff.

So there's there's always with a

lot of the brands and a lot of

manufacturers, there's always an

indirect way of stating what the

price increase is going to be in

the justification.

I think the soccer did it very

eloquently.

He did a good job saying, hey,

this is what I'm going to do.

Here's what it kind of equates

to mathematically.

The average is this.

The fact of the matter is that

none of it's really important

except for the fact that prices

are going up and prices are

going up accordingly, and who

knows what the prices are going

to be and how much they're going

to go up until the consumer pays

for it.

Do you think, do you think in

the future say there is no

correction?

Do you think in the future,

boutique cigars price themselves

out of the 1% of smokers?

I think that more often than

not, when a brand prices

themselves out of a market, that

potential blend could just go

away and then they make

something else that's less.

That's what that's what you do,

right?

If a cigar, you try and sell a

cigar for 25 bucks.

If a cigar doesn't sell, you can

blow it out at a discount on

wholesale to somebody else,

offer them a deal or whatever.

Just get it out, get it off your

books, and then you move on to

something else.

But the reality is that I think

that if you make a good cigar

and you give it a fair price, it

should do very well as long as

you work really, really hard.

Right, Yes, sorry I didn't

interrupt.

No, you're good.

All right, Macauliff Black

firecrackers start shipping

tomorrow tomorrow.

Oh, this was last week, June 6th

and 90 cigars will begin

shipping the Macauliff Black

firecracker to stores.

The cigar is the latest in the

company's firecracker series

which was featured, which has

featured cigars from dozens of

manufacturers that have been

made in the Saint Vitola.

The 3 1/2 by 50 petite Robusto

has a long pigtail blend wise

uses Mexican San Andreas wrapper

over in Ecuadoran binder and

fillers from Nicaragua.

These cigars were rolled in the

summer of 2024 and have more

than a year of age on this.

How long do they sit in the

pylon room?

Well, I'll get to that in a

minute.

Oh, you sit tight.

Oh, I'm very sorry, I just put

the.

MSRP is set at $9 per cigar and

it will be offered boxes of 20

cigars.

The Firecracker series dates

back to 2007 and Two Guys Smoke

Shop, a New Hampshire based

chain of retailers owned by Dave

Garofalo, who also owns United

Cigars.

The Firecracker cigars are

typically a 3 1/2 by 50 petite

robusto that features a long

pigtail.

Over the years, various

manufacturers have made

Firecracker series including

Agronorse Relief, All Saints,

Dunbarton Tobacco and Trust, Eli

El Artista, Fratello,

Christophe, La Florida,

Minicana, My Father, Panomo,

Roma Craft to Back, Roja Cigar,

Selected Tobacco and Tatwa Hey,

where early releases were

exclusive to Two Guys.

The series is now distributed

nationwide by United, coinciding

with the Two Guys Smoke Shop

hosting a Father's Day weekend

cigar dinner featuring Al and

Amanda Mccalla, father and

daughter, on Saturday, June

14th.

Romacraft made a firecracker.

Yes, in a couple.

Years ago you didn't mention

pylon.

No, I've got two stories running

together here.

After all that.

Yeah, I made it.

Be quiet though You were

interrupted.

I hate when you interrupt my

stories.

You just sit tight there and

wait.

So I wonder how long they were

sitting in the pylon room.

Well, apparently since 2024.

OK, that's.

What he said.

No, that's when they rolled

them.

They're doing a father daughter

dinner up at New Hampshire if

you and Teddy would like to go.

New Hampshire for.

For the release of the

firecracker.

Right, my daughter's 5.

Yeah, hold on a SEC.

It's a dinner.

It's outside.

They're doing.

Dinner to go smoke cigars with

her.

And buy cigars and smoke cigars

with a father daughter.

Mr. Pylon's taking his daughter.

I'm sorry.

Krista Kristoff Signature Series

PCA exclusive 2025 arriving in

stores this week.

Kristoff's new limited edition

Well, maybe it's not new, that

was released in 2025.

PCA convention trade show is set

to arrive in stores this week

after the company began shipping

them as May came to a close.

The cigar is a six and a quarter

by 54 Toro extra with a blend

that uses a Mexican San Andreas

wrapper.

Everybody's using Mexican San

Andreas now, an Ecuadorian

Habano binder and a Nicaraguan

Habano filler.

The cigars are made of Tablo

Calera von Elkin SRL in the

Dominican Republic, the factory

formerly known as the Charles

Fairmont Factory.

Fairmorne Sorry is the

Christophe Signature Series PCA

exclusive 2025 size and blend.

It seems familiar.

It's because it's not exclusive

and not even that limited.

It's the same blend in size that

the company released at the

Christophe San Andreas Box

Prestoro of 2020.

Perfect.

See, that's what you do if it

doesn't sell you just.

You know, exclusive for retailer

members of the Tobacconist

Association of America, they

have leftover from five years

ago 750 boxes of 20 cigars with

pricing set at $14.00 per cigar,

$208 per box, which is slightly

more than before.

So they are making better

margins now.

As part of the release,

Christophe will donate $0.50 per

cigar to the Premium Cigar

Association, which is half of

the new profit margin,

allegedly.

Perfect.

So it didn't really sell before.

We're going to sell it for more

money now.

Right, inflation for the past

five years.

We've been, yeah, we've been

storing these things for five

years in the pylon room.

We got to make our money back on

these things even though they

don't sell right.

If they don't work here, we got

to hold them again for another

five years and come out with a

new TAA.

Signal after 10 years.

After 10 years 10 years of age

in this tobacco at.

Least they were truthful about

it.

Well, I think half will find

out.

I don't think they admitted it.

All right, the new game show.

Let's sweep in the cigar

community.

Let's play.

What's the score?

Today's contestant.

I know we need music.

Today's contestants, we have

Mike, I lift heavy things,

Stefan Kevich from Altamonte

Springs versus Boots.

Alcatraz isn't in the New York

Harbor, Hippelhauser from

Deltona.

Both players have both won one

game each, so we start with a

tie.

Boots isn't in Alcatraz, isn't

in New York, you said.

Yeah, he's saying that now.

Oh, OK, Everybody keeps telling

him that this week we have two

excellent cigars.

We start with first we're doing

the Dunbarton Tobacco and Trust

Year of the Duque.

They.

Said he pulled it from 2012 or

so.

There's two of them.

Just relax over there, Sir.

Don't hit the buzzer

prematurely.

Oh.

So he looked that one up, is

what he's saying.

Reviewed by Brooks Whittington,

OK Cigar reviews.

Dunbarton Tobacco and Trust.

Year of the Duque.

Country of origin is Nicaragua.

Factories, Fabrica de Tobacco's

Hoya de Nicaragua, The Rappers,

Ecuadorian Habeno Rosado, the

Binders, Mexican San Andreas

Negro fillers, Nicaraguan and

USA, Pennsylvania.

Length is 5 inches.

Ring gauge is 48.

Shape is round.

MSRP is 1735.

A box of 14 or $242.90.

Ninety one release date April

18th, 2025.

Number of cigars released 2000

boxes.

There's a lot of information

there.

Yeah, and there was 3 cigar

smoked.

All right, here's the first

clue.

OK, wait, wait, I thought we

just.

Oh yeah.

Sorry, yeah.

We got to do it off the head.

Sorry.

So you said 91?

Yeah, I'm definitely going 92.

OK, he's playing the margins

game.

It has been.

OK, here's first clue.

It has been a while since I have

reviewed a cigar this small and

it feels small in my hand.

OK.

Clue number.

Two, that was the end of the

clue.

That was the end of the clue.

OK, it was funny.

I thought it was.

Funny.

That's nice.

There are 0 issues.

So where are you at 92?

You said I'm at 91.

Oh, you got to change it on

every clue.

Well, you have we have the of

the ability to.

I thought we did all three clues

and then you vote again.

No, no, we we change as we move.

Jesus, Yeah, alright, clue #2.

This is the hardest clip to do

by the way, because it's usually

a 6 minute long fucking interval

and then I got to try and fit it

into one minute, right?

There are 0 issues with

construction so far as the burn

line, smoke, smoke production

and excellent draws all work

together in harmony.

OK.

Anybody changing?

No, I'm sticking. 9192 is that

what we're still?

At 91, yeah.

Construction wise, two of the

cigars run into enough issues

that I need to use my lighter a

couple of times each.

The burn line for the third

cigar is razor sharp, but the

smoke production remains high

and the draws for all three

cigars are excellent.

I'm going 93. 9391, still 91.

Well, I definitely have my

favorites.

It's no great secret that I have

been a fan of just about every

cigar that Saka has released so

far.

He has been a fan.

He has been a fan, and the Year

the Duque is no exception.

The blend is bold but refined

with mint, with main flavors

that shift from ants, antsy

ANISE.

It's a spice, I believe, but I

don't know what it tastes like.

Cedar clothes and earth along

with Raisin and bready Graham

crackers.

Sweetness combined with black

pepper on the retro hill.

Two of the three cigars needed

multiple burn corrections to

stab off larger issues.

But those relatively minor

construction problems didn't

disguise the fact that this is

an excellent blend and a

wonderful tribute to the

wonderful person who has played

a role.

OK, this is the final thought.

That was the final thought.

OK, all right, boots.

No, no, you voted first.

You keep going first.

So I'll go first this entire

time.

No, on this particular review.

Next time we'll make him go

first.

OK, 91.

I'm staying 90.

One boots 93.

I think you read this one.

It's a 91.

I have not.

I swear to God I have not read.

That it was a 91, OK 91.

So score Mikey.

It was, listen, here's here's

how I got there.

Brooks that.

Was a you said before you even

read any of the clues.

Yeah.

Brooks, Don Barton and I know

the cigars are Corona Gorda,

right?

So those three things alone puts

me in 91.

It's a good, it's a good cigar.

I would think he would grate

him.

On and you didn't say anything

enough for me to deviate off of

that there.

Was nothing.

He didn't say anything bad other

than that one burn there.

Were a couple of burn issues and

I'm like OK, well that would

that drop it down?

And then when he moved to 93,

I'm thinking maybe it's a 92.

Gushed about that cigar.

I could possibly go 92 at this

point and still be safe, but I

no I I held fast at 91.

Every clue he gave pointed all

fingers to 100, truthfully, but

they don't give.

That no, he didn't.

No, he said.

They were burnish.

Yeah, they were burnish shoes. 2

of the three cigars had burnish

shoes.

Razor sharp on the 3rd.

That, yeah, but the third one

was perfect.

And he said the smoke was good

on O3 all right.

I swear to God I did not look

no.

No, I don't.

If you calm down over.

There.

I don't look at any of this

silly.

Podcast game.

Calm down.

Genuinely, we can set this up as

a as an entire.

You're a silly.

Podcast game.

We could do an episode where

this is the entire episode.

We have a series of these.

Yeah, I know, but I but.

We need we need to do it with

somebody else in it too.

OK, well, we should do when we

have guests as well.

We.

Should do it with Greg.

Oh my God, that would be so bad.

That would be.

Bad.

We could do it with Skip when we

do that one.

OK, you want to know who the

toughest person is going to be

when you do it.

If you ever do a halfway one,

it's going to be Patrick.

I'm looking for other people,

but these two seem to do the

majority of the.

Patrick is going to be the

toughest 1.

Brooks is going to be the most

forgiving I.

Don't know anything about these

guys.

Charlie's going to be the

toughest.

Patrick could go either way.

Does the fourth guy ever do

reviews?

The guy that lived with Brian.

He used to, I don't think.

I haven't seen anything.

Well, I mean, I went back 2012

again.

The next review is from January

2012.

It was from.

It was from Brooks, the Mike

Ditka Championship Series,

Camacho President Cigar.

No.

Yeah, no.

Really.

Yes, Mike Ditka's cigar was made

by Camacho.

No, it wasn't.

Not this particular one.

Wow. 2012 OK, All right.

Country of origin is the

Bahamas.

The Bahamas factory is Great.

Cliff cigar factory.

Oh my goodness.

Rapper Indonesian binder

Indonesian filler Brazil,

Honduran and Nicaraguan Link is

7 inches, ring gauge 46.

It's a Churchill.

Back then it sold for $7.00 box

of $25175.

The release date is October

2001.

That's our that cigar today is

21 bucks.

OK boots, you go first.

What was your?

Number it was 50,000 cigars

released.

A Bahama cigar.

And they only smoked one.

Where does?

Brooks.

Smoke 3.

Only one.

Does Where does Brooks?

Where is he from?

Brooks, He's a bald white guy,

if that's what you're asking.

He's not from the Bahamas.

Yeah, I'm going to go 87.

Fuck.

Oh, I was going to go 88.

OK, OK, then go.

On.

Wait a second.

No, no, no, I'm going to, I'm

going to move to 86.

I'm going to 86 on this pig.

Right.

And this.

Indonesian wrapper and binder.

That's got to be God awful.

And this vitola, the Mike Ditka

Championship Series, is

seemingly perfect construction

with a milk chocolate brown

wrapper that is smooth at a

touch and has no veins or bumps.

Yeah, 'cause it's Indonesian.

That's clue number.

One, yeah, that doesn't mean

anything.

I'm staying.

Still staying.

Yeah.

There have been multiple

versions of Mike Ditka

Championship cigars, and while I

have not smoked any of the other

models, everything I have heard

and read indicates that any

blend other than the Great Cliff

blend is inferior.

Oh shit, I'm sticking.

These are good clues on this

one.

There's a there's a mix.

There's a very nice mix.

This is from 20/12/2012.

Damn this is tough.

Which is really how far they go

back.

All the way back to the end.

All the way back to they have

every single review we've ever

done on the website.

I love that.

Oh, I do too.

This is we can play this

forever.

We can play this.

Forever.

They keep adding.

Every week they add four or five

and we can go way back.

OK.

So going forward, there will be

a current one and then an older

one.

Oh, it's like a throwback.

Yes.

OK, shit, I'm still going to

stick with 86.

Boots.

I'm I'm staying.

This was a surprisingly dry

profile and I drank quite a bit

of water while smoking it, a lot

more than I expected to.

OK.

Boots I'm I'm sticking.

You're staying 87?

Yep, I'm staying 86 all.

Right, final thoughts.

Time has not been good to this

cigar.

And while there, well, there is

one great Cliff blend does very

well with age.

This blend falls far short after

that distinction.

After smoking this, I honestly

got exactly what I expected from

a 10 year old great Cliff cigar.

Boring, mild, bitter mush.

There was some creaminess in the

2nd and final thirds, but it did

not ever come close to saving

the cigar and the bitterness was

always present.

The band is cool, but that is

really the only reason to have

this cigar.

Not a very good one at that.

If you ever see any of these for

sale, make sure you know.

Make sure your money runs the

other way.

Make sure they give you 20 bucks

for you to smoke.

Anybody want to change their

I'm?

Going 84.

I'm going to hold at 86 but my

God that thing has got to pelt

low. 65.

Holy my God, if anybody has this

cigar, if anybody has this

cigar, please, please.

I want to try it.

A 65 rating.

That's got to be.

Well it's OK, they'll re release

it soon just like the other.

Couple 65 you had to go 13 years

into the archives to find a 60I.

Wanted to find a low scoring

cigar.

You were, like, so happy that we

were in the 80s.

You're like, Oh yeah.

Oh, yeah, All right.

Brooks 65 Right Like a Brooks.

He's the nice.

One, it's got to be like a C30

at that point.

Exactly.

All right.

Shop of the Week Historic Smoke

in Culpeper, VA.

Nice.

Listener of the Week.

You ever listen to the week,

Michael?

Julian Gordon.

I have Francis Soledo, but we

can go with Julian.

Before I knew that, Julian

ordered a shirt.

Julian popped off with, You

know.

Francis has worn his on

Facebook.

Though he did wear his.

Yes.

All right, let's go, Francis.

All right, Francis Soledo,

you're a loser of the week.

Thank you, Sir.

OK.

Is that it?

That is the show.

It's been episode 391 of Cigars

and Podcast.

Hope you guys enjoyed it as much

as we did.

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Show Notes

Episode Description:

In Episode 391, things get political, combustible, and a little smoky. Mikey and Palmer unpack the explosive immigration raids in LA as Trump calls in the National Guard, sparking riots and a war of words with Gov. Newsom. Meanwhile, the Trump-Musk feud escalates—tech vs. politics in real time. Plus, the TSA reminds us your Costco card won’t get you on a plane (even if you love hot dogs).

In cigar news: tariffs hit hard, imports dip, and Max Bichler exits Rocky Patel. New releases from Kristoff, Micallef, and Dunbarton make waves. And don’t miss another fiery round of "What’s the Score?" where Mike and Palmer go head-to-head with a Saka powerhouse and a Ditka disappointment.

Also—tour dates announced! From Pennsylvania crawls to Florida pairings and a special July 5th Hustler Experience with Skip Martin, we’ve got events you won’t want to miss.

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